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I fell asleep in the last few rounds of Barker fight. It was a decent fight (bit too decent from Barker's point of view). But what the hell happened? I swear I caught the last line of commentary and they said something like 'in the end he took it away from Barker'. Don't tell me he lost? I bloody hope not.
He won mate ud over 12, I think he should fight either Macklin or Andy Lee next if possible I didnt see Lees last performance against the guy Barker beat tonight to compare anyone see it??
I like Barker would like to see his chin tested but one to watch but time to kick on now what is he 28/29?
I never watched it but heard he won a UD.
Thank fudge for that! Barker is one of my favourite fighters.
No I didn't see Andy Lee against this guy but Darke said that he had Lee in trouble towards the end.
I forgot his name so i'll just called him opponent. Opponent looked pretty decent, game and willing to trade. If he had a dig he would be pretty damn dangerous at european level i think. Anyway, hopefully its onwards and upwards for Barker now. Like you say Skel he needs to get on with it now.
That was a great fight for the first 9 rounds until Barker decided to make Andre Dirrell look like Librado Andrade.
I thought he was very lucky in the end. I posted in another thread that Belghecham looked shit, which I had to delete. I've only seen him in this fight & against Lee & I think a bit of a fight against a Cameroonian guy in France. Both of those guys beat him pretty decisively, N'Dam N'Jikam had a complete shut out, Lee fight was a bit closer, but he probably only won 3 rounds. I thought he did enough for a draw tonight, the scoring was a joke.
I was rooting for Barker as a Londoner up until when he decided to just do a runner. Considering he looked seriously buzzed of Belghecham's shots, I reckon Macklin would blast him out.
Barker was trading and bossing the fight for the first half, seemed to be on top in an exciting fight, but he was shipping a few punches, and then started to get on his bike, and circling throwing pitter patter jabs that barely grazed the French fella, and I agreed with the commentators that he was lucky on the scorecards. I had him taking 1-6 & 12. The 118-110 scorecard was typically ludicrous for a European title fight.
He's a decent fighter, but I think his defensive flaws got exposed a little tonight, and he really does need to do more than put the earmuffs on and wait for the other guy to stop punching in terms of defense. The guys on Sky were talking about Macklin having vacated to fight Duddy, so I imagine the Andy Lee fight would be more likely for Barker. Barker's corner were probably the most confident people in the place of his victory, but I think they were watching a different fight.
Yes the 118-110 was a fucking joke, were getting worst than the Germans!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Barker was on the run a bit in the last couple, I thought the other bloke was not bad and given Barker has not fought that much recently I think he needed that fight unsure how a fight with Macklin goes.
I didn't get that at all. Duddy is scheduled to fight Chavez Jr on June 26. I can't see him blowing off that payday to be battered to a one-sided UD by Macklin.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
I fell asleep in round 9 (I think). Up to the point I had Barker winning it but had dropped a couple of rounds and was getting caught too much. I was concerned to see his legs stiffen once or twice to a guy with just 4 KOs - that doesn't bode well. So he just ran away the last 3 rounds did he? Hmm, he should really be dominating this level of opponent if he has world title aspirations. I think he's pretty classy though, lovely crisp shots and good balance but when he was finished punching he just puts his guard up, stays in range and allowed Belghecham to just have a free combo back.
It really is getting bad here. I've seen so many awful scorecards & stoppages in the last 6 months here, I'm actually getting numb to it. It was actually why I was glad to see a solid KO tonight just so there wasn't any bollocks on the cards (which in that case there thankfully wouldn't have been).Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Agreed. I used to have a superior attitude about the fairness here but thats just silly now. It just seems the ref/judges are given the script before the fight and they'll stick to it come hell or high water. I don't think its corruption as such but rather that they only take in what the 'home' fighter is doing rather than seeing the two fighters as starting as equals. In a sense I think they expect fighter A to win and know he's supposed to win and thus it becomes self-fulfilling as they view the fight with these preconceived ideas in their head. Either that or i'm talking crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinIt really is getting bad here. I've seen so many awful scorecards & stoppages in the last 6 months here, I'm actually getting numb to it. It was actually why I was glad to see a solid KO tonight just so there wasn't any bollocks on the cards (which in that case there thankfully wouldn't have been).Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
I think that's the best way to look at it. I used to think people were whinging when they went on about Eubank, Hatton/Tszyu etc, but in recent times the only decision that I can think of going against one of ours was Thaxton/Mezaache. I think it's actually worse in British title fights as well. Small got jobbed royally a couple of weeks ago in a fight that he fought better in than he did against McDonagh in his previous fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanAgreed. I used to have a superior attitude about the fairness here but thats just silly now. It just seems the ref/judges are given the script before the fight and they'll stick to it come hell or high water. I don't think its corruption as such but rather that they only take in what the 'home' fighter is doing rather than seeing the two fighters as starting as equals. In a sense I think they expect fighter A to win and know he's supposed to win and thus it becomes self-fulfilling as they view the fight with these preconceived ideas in their head. Either that or i'm talking crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinIt really is getting bad here. I've seen so many awful scorecards & stoppages in the last 6 months here, I'm actually getting numb to it. It was actually why I was glad to see a solid KO tonight just so there wasn't any bollocks on the cards (which in that case there thankfully wouldn't have been).Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
It really is getting to a situation where you need to stop someone. Also is it just me or do British judges score a ridiculously high number of even rounds.
That was a good fight.
Barker looked a bit weak and his defense was much poorer than of late. The Frenchman is a serious tough guy, he had Andy Lee under similar pressure late in their fight.
I still think Barker beats Macklin.
Things really will be fucked if your previous performances have to be taken into account ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI think that's the best way to look at it. I used to think people were whinging when they went on about Eubank, Hatton/Tszyu etc, but in recent times the only decision that I can think of going against one of ours was Thaxton/Mezaache. I think it's actually worse in British title fights as well. Small got jobbed royally a couple of weeks ago in a fight that he fought better in than he did against McDonagh in his previous fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanAgreed. I used to have a superior attitude about the fairness here but thats just silly now. It just seems the ref/judges are given the script before the fight and they'll stick to it come hell or high water. I don't think its corruption as such but rather that they only take in what the 'home' fighter is doing rather than seeing the two fighters as starting as equals. In a sense I think they expect fighter A to win and know he's supposed to win and thus it becomes self-fulfilling as they view the fight with these preconceived ideas in their head. Either that or i'm talking crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
It really is getting to a situation where you need to stop someone. Also is it just me or do British judges score a ridiculously high number of even rounds.
I highly doubt the officiating has got worse. It's more likely that as you guys have got older, you have become more aware with the experience of watching more and more live boxing from around the world.
I really enjoyed this fight, the 118 score was crazy, even my Dad who doesn't know that much about boxing was pissed at that shit scoring. Don't think Barker will go that far judging by that performance, I think if the French guy could bang he'd have taken him out late on...
Repton had 4 winners last night, 3 ex Fighters won and a Repton Coach. Got to be a 1st ;D
This is prob a delayed post, but the 118 from last night was terrible, even a disgrace. No way. I thought Barker was very lucky to get the decision. He was getting caught way way too much. I have a feelig he'll struggle when he steps it up because he just doesn't have nearly enough power to put anyone off. Thats what happened last night, the fella just wouldn't stop coming too him and fire off. Macklin would beat Barker up easy.
I do not, and never have rated Barker. He won just but was way too close.
I actually forgot to finish that sentence lol. Basically I think Small fought a better fight against Webb than against McDonagh. The reason I feel he didn't get the decision was because Webb is deemed a more 'sellable' fighter. He was never getting the decision in the same way McDonagh wasn't in the previous fight, even if I think Small just edged that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThings really will be fucked if your previous performances have to be taken into account ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI think that's the best way to look at it. I used to think people were whinging when they went on about Eubank, Hatton/Tszyu etc, but in recent times the only decision that I can think of going against one of ours was Thaxton/Mezaache. I think it's actually worse in British title fights as well. Small got jobbed royally a couple of weeks ago in a fight that he fought better in than he did against McDonagh in his previous fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
It really is getting to a situation where you need to stop someone. Also is it just me or do British judges score a ridiculously high number of even rounds.
I highly doubt the officiating has got worse. It's more likely that as you guys have got older, you have become more aware with the experience of watching more and more live boxing from around the world.
I think the officiating has got worse over the last few years. Since about 2006, there's been steadily more dodgy decisions in fights in the UK. We're like the new Italy.
I only saw the last few rounds of this one and it wasn't very dazzling from a Barker point of view. Can't see him ever doing anything at actual world level and I'd pick Macklin to beat him.
It was a Hatton Promotions gig. Small is with Hatton. Webb with Maloney. That makes Small the house fighter, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI actually forgot to finish that sentence lol. Basically I think Small fought a better fight against Webb than against McDonagh. The reason I feel he didn't get the decision was because Webb is deemed a more 'sellable' fighter. He was never getting the decision in the same way McDonagh wasn't in the previous fight, even if I think Small just edged that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThings really will be fucked if your previous performances have to be taken into account ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I highly doubt the officiating has got worse. It's more likely that as you guys have got older, you have become more aware with the experience of watching more and more live boxing from around the world.
I think the officiating has got worse over the last few years. Since about 2006, there's been steadily more dodgy decisions in fights in the UK. We're like the new Italy.
So who exactly fixed it?
Small's own team wanted him to lose? Maloney influenced someone elses show?
Don't come on here and ruin a good point with facts Fenster. Its bloody not on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterIt was a Hatton Promotions gig. Small is with Hatton. Webb with Maloney. That makes Small the house fighter, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI actually forgot to finish that sentence lol. Basically I think Small fought a better fight against Webb than against McDonagh. The reason I feel he didn't get the decision was because Webb is deemed a more 'sellable' fighter. He was never getting the decision in the same way McDonagh wasn't in the previous fight, even if I think Small just edged that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think the officiating has got worse over the last few years. Since about 2006, there's been steadily more dodgy decisions in fights in the UK. We're like the new Italy.
So who exactly fixed it?
Small's own team wanted him to lose? Maloney influenced someone elses show?
Jaz's overall point remains valid though.
About the decline of officiating since 2006? Not sure about that, it really does require facts and evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanDon't come on here and ruin a good point with facts Fenster. Its bloody not on.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterIt was a Hatton Promotions gig. Small is with Hatton. Webb with Maloney. That makes Small the house fighter, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
So who exactly fixed it?
Small's own team wanted him to lose? Maloney influenced someone elses show?
Jaz's overall point remains valid though.
House fighters have always been favoured all over the world. I doubt one country is any worse than another.
In the UK you can't get a fair fight in Germany/Italy.. In America you can't get a fair fight outside America. I reckon most of it is just a silly prejudice passed down over the years, with the exception of isolated instances.
Anyone that loses a fight that others wont see can claim to be robbed/treated unfairly. These days we see EVERY fight. And just about every fight people are complaining about refs/judges wherever it takes place ;)
I like the way Barker fights, but I get the feeling that a more classy fighter would have him tied in knots.
There were flourishes of real class in the first 4 rounds, but it tailed off drematically after that.
Yeah, it's safe to bet Barker is no world beater.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMatty
Exactly, Hatton obviously hasn't got onto this 'influencing' the judges lark ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterIt was a Hatton Promotions gig. Small is with Hatton. Webb with Maloney. That makes Small the house fighter, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinI actually forgot to finish that sentence lol. Basically I think Small fought a better fight against Webb than against McDonagh. The reason I feel he didn't get the decision was because Webb is deemed a more 'sellable' fighter. He was never getting the decision in the same way McDonagh wasn't in the previous fight, even if I think Small just edged that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
I think the officiating has got worse over the last few years. Since about 2006, there's been steadily more dodgy decisions in fights in the UK. We're like the new Italy.
So who exactly fixed it?
Small's own team wanted him to lose? Maloney influenced someone elses show?
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Originally Posted by FensterYeah, it's safe to bet Barker is no world beater.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMatty
why exactly??
He was in with a very classy opponent who came to trade for 12 rounds. Completely ignore the crap jim watt was feeding, barker was comfortable throughout the fight the moment he realised he wasnt gonna be able to blow this guy out of there and actually had to fight on his feet.
Theres a hell of a lot of decent middleweights that french fella will beat before he retires
Classy? That's how you describe a crude limited tough guy is it? Nobody is comfortable constantly moving backwards getting lamped in the boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterYeah, it's safe to bet Barker is no world beater.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMatty
why exactly??
He was in with a very classy opponent who came to trade for 12 rounds. Completely ignore the crap jim watt was feeding, barker was comfortable throughout the fight the moment he realised he wasnt gonna be able to blow this guy out of there and actually had to fight on his feet.
Theres a hell of a lot of decent middleweights that french fella will beat before he retires
I like Barker, think he's a good fighter, but he looks to fraglie for the elite guys - Pavlik, Martinez, Williams...that's all i'm saying.