I have no clue who was banned and who was booed for having this opinion, but I'm in agreement with those who suspected Dirrell of faking the funk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kdVzRdUiF4
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I have no clue who was banned and who was booed for having this opinion, but I'm in agreement with those who suspected Dirrell of faking the funk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kdVzRdUiF4
I don't no man. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He seemed pretty distraught afterwards
I dont know what to think about that he seem's to look around before he went down but then he was like twitching, I still can believe Abraham lost :(
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Originally Posted by paddy448
I was thinking it was out of embarrassment.
Lol, maybeQuote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorillaQuote:
Originally Posted by paddy448
I was thinking it was out of embarrassment.
He was faking it. It was obvious. Don't blame him really though. It was a cheap shot and he was running out of gas. Once he went down he kinda had to stick with what he was doing. Unfortunately that included an over the top acting performance that even the doctor and the broadcast team got in on.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
1) - You don't wince in pain, grab your face and then fall unconscious. Sorry, but you don't.
2) - You don't 'wake up' confused and then suddenly remember exactly how you got knocked out, just because somebody told you what happened.
3) - When recovering from convulsions brought on by a KO, it's unlikely that you will react to something somebody has said in the crowd. It's unlikely that you would even notice, unless you're overly sensitive to something.....criticism of his acting skills perhaps.
4) - The Dr wouldn't break from treating him to conduct an interview with the broadcaster if Dirrell had a suspected brain bleed.
5) It's also highly, highly likely that a concusion would show up on a scan, which he had, and surprisingly everything was perfect. Again, weird considering he was convulsing from being brutally ko'd just a few hours earlier.
Nice to see someone has sense, it was a fucking farce!Quote:
Originally Posted by onoHe was faking it. It was obvious. Don't blame him really though. It was a cheap shot and he was running out of gas. Once he went down he kinda had to stick with what he was doing. Unfortunately that included an over the top acting performance that even the doctor and the broadcast team got in on.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
1) - You don't wince in pain, grab your face and then fall unconscious. Sorry, but you don't.
2) - You don't 'wake up' confused and then suddenly remember exactly how you got knocked out, just because somebody told you what happened.
3) - When recovering from convulsions brought on by a KO, it's unlikely that you will react to something somebody has said in the crowd. It's unlikely that you would even notice, unless you're overly sensitive to something.....criticism of his acting skills perhaps.
4) - The Dr wouldn't break from treating him to conduct an interview with the broadcaster if Dirrell had a suspected brain bleed.
5) It's also highly, highly likely that a concusion would show up on a scan, which he had, and surprisingly everything was perfect. Again, weird considering he was convulsing from being brutally ko'd just a few hours earlier.
Honestly mate i thought i was watching Monday Night Raw or something. I was gobsmacked the broadcasters went with it and i was even more surprised at how many people on here bought it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelNice to see someone has sense, it was a fucking farce!Quote:
Originally Posted by onoHe was faking it. It was obvious. Don't blame him really though. It was a cheap shot and he was running out of gas. Once he went down he kinda had to stick with what he was doing. Unfortunately that included an over the top acting performance that even the doctor and the broadcast team got in on.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
1) - You don't wince in pain, grab your face and then fall unconscious. Sorry, but you don't.
2) - You don't 'wake up' confused and then suddenly remember exactly how you got knocked out, just because somebody told you what happened.
3) - When recovering from convulsions brought on by a KO, it's unlikely that you will react to something somebody has said in the crowd. It's unlikely that you would even notice, unless you're overly sensitive to something.....criticism of his acting skills perhaps.
4) - The Dr wouldn't break from treating him to conduct an interview with the broadcaster if Dirrell had a suspected brain bleed.
5) It's also highly, highly likely that a concusion would show up on a scan, which he had, and surprisingly everything was perfect. Again, weird considering he was convulsing from being brutally ko'd just a few hours earlier.
Yeah tell me about it! Hopkins and Dirrell in my personal opinion are giving people ideas. If they can get away with this shit, it's gonna happen again. I want to see it stamped out right now!Quote:
Originally Posted by onoHonestly mate i thought i was watching Monday Night Raw or something. I was gobsmacked the broadcasters went with it and i was even more surprised at how many people on here bought it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KelNice to see someone has sense, it was a fucking farce!Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Abraham hit him with a dirty shot which ended a fight that he was losing horribly, end of
Have a word with yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Who cares what direll did after the fight. In it he beat a guy who everyone damn near laughed at when the idea of him winning was even brought up . And as soon as abraham threw that punch the fight was over anyway. Direll could have done it wwe style and cut himself for fake blood and the whole nine. Boxrec doesn't care about any of that. And nobody else should either. I've said it before all this suspision and anger should be targeted toward abraham for robbing us of the end of that fight. Win or loose to hit a guy who was down then (speaking of acting) turning off your english after showtime showed you using all over town was a serious bitch move..... Abraham is a great tough fighter, and will probably win his next fight. But for that night he was a real dissapointment.
Since when were you a fucking doctor? I spoke to a neurologist who boxes at my gym about the fight, and she said under no uncertain terms that it looked exactly like a concussion, and there is often a delayed response when somebody gets knocked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoHe was faking it. It was obvious. Don't blame him really though. It was a cheap shot and he was running out of gas. Once he went down he kinda had to stick with what he was doing. Unfortunately that included an over the top acting performance that even the doctor and the broadcast team got in on.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
1) - You don't wince in pain, grab your face and then fall unconscious. Sorry, but you don't.
2) - You don't 'wake up' confused and then suddenly remember exactly how you got knocked out, just because somebody told you what happened.
3) - When recovering from convulsions brought on by a KO, it's unlikely that you will react to something somebody has said in the crowd. It's unlikely that you would even notice, unless you're overly sensitive to something.....criticism of his acting skills perhaps.
4) - The Dr wouldn't break from treating him to conduct an interview with the broadcaster if Dirrell had a suspected brain bleed.
5) It's also highly, highly likely that a concusion would show up on a scan, which he had, and surprisingly everything was perfect. Again, weird considering he was convulsing from being brutally ko'd just a few hours earlier.
We've seen it in boxing a few times. He didn't knock him out, but watch Roy's first knockdown of Felix Trinidad and that came quite a bit after he landed the punch.
He was dominating the fight except for the tenth, and maybe you guys should watch the 11th again because he didn't look tired in that round at all.
In my opinion Abraham was getting closer and closer, landing more and I think he had a good shot of landing one of those left hooks that Dirrell was barely getting away from (while begging to be iced, terrible defense), I don't know if he faked and you definitely can't say he did for sure. The touching of his face was in slow mo it looked suspicous, in real time it didn't look out of the ordinary to me.
You talk such fucking crap it's unreal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
THere is plenty of evidence in boxing itself of delated responses to being knocked out or concussed. Abraham was getting close, and he had Dirrel stunned in the 10th, but Dirrell only went down there it looked because he tripped on Abraham's foot. Sure Abraham was catching DIrrell with a few punches, but DIrrell didn't look hurt by any of them in the 11th, and there was absolutely no reason for him to give up in the fight he didn't look tired, from what I've read and heard he works out exceptionally hard, and he showed it at the end of hte Froch fight, and he looked in good shape in this fight as well. Abraham was getting close, but it was too little too late, and I think Dirrell was adjusting to it also in the 11th and he was avoiding shots better than in the 10th were it caught him by surprise.
how biased you are is unreal :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYou talk such fucking crap it's unreal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
Yeah - I mean why would Dirrell want to continue, Andre floored Arthur for the first time in his career and was giving the King a beat down for the ages and was on his way to an easy points decision or stoppage...but hey, why not take a disqualification......
:rolleyes:
Fans of Abraham will say that because they want a way to say that Abraham would have stopped Dirrell sooner or later so that their prediction would have been right so that he needed a bailout.
I struggle to believe that it was fake. I mean, why would anyone want to look like such an idiot live on television? I was in hysterics watching it and even now seeing it on You Tube, it cracks me up. I don't think he was acting, it was just a delayed reaction. I do believe that Dirrell was wilting though and getting very tired. Every punch would have been getting harder from then until the end because he was physically done. Abraham did get the knockdown and Dirrell was turning to jelly. I'm convinced that Abraham knocks him out properly next time.
I agree, they could meet in the semi's and my money's on Abraham. I'm of the opinion he was acting though, for me there was no real power or weight behind the shot and Dirrell took his chance to get a breather..Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Everyone goes on and on about how bad it was that Abraham hit him whilst down but this happens all the time in boxing. If Dirrell hadn't reacted the way he did I doubt AA even gets deducted a point.
Take Berto Vs Rodriguez for example, two possible rabbit punches followed by a definite punch whilst down and the commentators don't even mention it. No complaints from Rodriguez so no DQ or penalty for Berto...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asgoXEzdQWE
I don't need to be a doctor to understand when somebody is feigning injury. Not when they do it as ridiculously as that.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethSince when were you a fucking doctor? I spoke to a neurologist who boxes at my gym about the fight, and she said under no uncertain terms that it looked exactly like a concussion, and there is often a delayed response when somebody gets knocked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoHe was faking it. It was obvious. Don't blame him really though. It was a cheap shot and he was running out of gas. Once he went down he kinda had to stick with what he was doing. Unfortunately that included an over the top acting performance that even the doctor and the broadcast team got in on.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
1) - You don't wince in pain, grab your face and then fall unconscious. Sorry, but you don't.
2) - You don't 'wake up' confused and then suddenly remember exactly how you got knocked out, just because somebody told you what happened.
3) - When recovering from convulsions brought on by a KO, it's unlikely that you will react to something somebody has said in the crowd. It's unlikely that you would even notice, unless you're overly sensitive to something.....criticism of his acting skills perhaps.
4) - The Dr wouldn't break from treating him to conduct an interview with the broadcaster if Dirrell had a suspected brain bleed.
5) It's also highly, highly likely that a concusion would show up on a scan, which he had, and surprisingly everything was perfect. Again, weird considering he was convulsing from being brutally ko'd just a few hours earlier.
We've seen it in boxing a few times. He didn't knock him out, but watch Roy's first knockdown of Felix Trinidad and that came quite a bit after he landed the punch.
He was dominating the fight except for the tenth, and maybe you guys should watch the 11th again because he didn't look tired in that round at all.
IMO he gets outboxed even worse then the first time, and if he's too aggressive and desperate he gets KO'd, Dirrell already showed that he had enough power to hurt Abraham, especially in the early roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
Do you actually make this shit up or do you just believe it when you say it out loud?? If you go look back the majority had Dirrell boxing and winning against Abraham.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
Are you for real on your other points?? So who cares if Dirrell was acting is your point? Haha Abraham should never have done what he did and the DQ was the right decision but just to say what Dirrell did was not important is a joke, if he did put that act on he is a disgrace to the sport his family and very cowardly, there is not enough evidence to say he did but to just say who cares if he did or not is pathetic.
The punch while down was neither as clean or has hard as the one that took place in the Dirrell fight. Also there was almost no pause between the hits in the video here so it looks way less intentional as the one Abraham fired off.Quote:
Originally Posted by ConradI agree, they could meet in the semi's and my money's on Abraham. I'm of the opinion he was acting though, for me there was no real power or weight behind the shot and Dirrell took his chance to get a breather..Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Everyone goes on and on about how bad it was that Abraham hit him whilst down but this happens all the time in boxing. If Dirrell hadn't reacted the way he did I doubt AA even gets deducted a point.
Take Berto Vs Rodriguez for example, two possible rabbit punches followed by a definite punch whilst down and the commentators don't even mention it. No complaints from Rodriguez so no DQ or penalty for Berto...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asgoXEzdQWE
Honestly I think everyone who wants to complain about Dirrell's acting is just biased. You all are 100% ready to excuse Abraham but at the same time blame Dirrell. It is nonsense. It is apparent that you were hoping to see Dirrell lose because: A) you dont like him, or B) you like Abraham, or C) both reasons. But it didn't happen so now it's time to complain. That's what is really going on here, but no one will admit it. You guys are also not very good actors.
I have absolutely no affiliation to either fighter and can honestly say wasn't bothered who won. I'm British and have no preference when watching a German and American fight. This whole 'European' thing is strange to me, just bacuase I'm from the same continent as Abraham doesn't mean I support him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Either way, does anybody honestly believe Abraham gets DQ'd if Dirrell reacts in the same way Rodrigeuz did in the video I posted? i.e does nothing? And the pause you talk about in the Dirrell fight is exagerrated in slo mo, in real time it's not half as bad...
Dirrell will stop Abraham next time. Andre now knows he can hurt and easily outbox Arthur. Next time Dirrell will sit down on punches and score the KO.
Let's get to the root of the situation here.Quote:
Originally Posted by ConradI have absolutely no affiliation to either fighter and can honestly say wasn't bothered who won. I'm British and have no preference when watching a German and American fight. This whole 'European' thing is strange to me, just bacuase I'm from the same continent as Abraham doesn't mean I support him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Either way, does anybody honestly believe Abraham gets DQ'd if Dirrell reacts in the same way Rodrigeuz did in the video I posted? i.e does nothing? And the pause you talk about in the Dirrell fight is exagerrated in slo mo, in real time it's not half as bad...
The question that is to be asked shouldnt really be "Was he acting?"
The question should be "Should the fight have continued after the illegal blow?"
Now look at the facts:
Dirrell was ahead on points and Abraham seemed to be coming on a bit stronger...
Could Dirrell have won? Possibly. Could Abraham have scored a late KO? Possibly. - But we will never know.
After Abraham scored an invalid shot on Dirrell (who is known not to have the toughest chin), had the fight gone on, it is very likely Abraham would have won because Dirrell would have been hurt and no longer "in the game" because of that blow.
Obviously Abraham should not be allowed to win a fight because of the advantage gained from that illegal blow. So, should the fight have been stooped? -YES- Was the fight stopped? -YES- At the time of stoppage, was Dirrell winning?" -YES-
What else do we need to talk about? The fight ended exactly as it should have given the circumstances. Now someone come and prove me wrong.
People are talking about whether or not Dirrell was play-acting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Let's get to the root of the situation here.Quote:
Originally Posted by ConradI have absolutely no affiliation to either fighter and can honestly say wasn't bothered who won. I'm British and have no preference when watching a German and American fight. This whole 'European' thing is strange to me, just bacuase I'm from the same continent as Abraham doesn't mean I support him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Either way, does anybody honestly believe Abraham gets DQ'd if Dirrell reacts in the same way Rodrigeuz did in the video I posted? i.e does nothing? And the pause you talk about in the Dirrell fight is exagerrated in slo mo, in real time it's not half as bad...
The question that is to be asked shouldnt really be "Was he acting?"
The question should be "Should the fight have continued after the illegal blow?"
Now look at the facts:
Dirrell was ahead on points and Abraham seemed to be coming on a bit stronger...
Could Dirrell have won? Possibly. Could Abraham have scored a late KO? Possibly. - But we will never know.
After Abraham scored an invalid shot on Dirrell (who is known not to have the toughest chin), had the fight gone on, it is very likely Abraham would have won because Dirrell would have been hurt and no longer "in the game" because of that blow.
Obviously Abraham should not be allowed to win a fight because of the advantage gained from that illegal blow. So, should the fight have been stooped? -YES- Was the fight stopped? -YES- At the time of stoppage, was Dirrell winning?" -YES-
What else do we need to talk about? The fight ended exactly as it should have given the circumstances. Now someone come and prove me wrong.
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Originally Posted by ninjaspy3Let's get to the root of the situation here.Quote:
Originally Posted by ConradI have absolutely no affiliation to either fighter and can honestly say wasn't bothered who won. I'm British and have no preference when watching a German and American fight. This whole 'European' thing is strange to me, just bacuase I'm from the same continent as Abraham doesn't mean I support him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninjaspy3
Either way, does anybody honestly believe Abraham gets DQ'd if Dirrell reacts in the same way Rodrigeuz did in the video I posted? i.e does nothing? And the pause you talk about in the Dirrell fight is exagerrated in slo mo, in real time it's not half as bad...
The question that is to be asked shouldnt really be "Was he acting?"
The question should be "Should the fight have continued after the illegal blow?"
Now look at the facts:
Dirrell was ahead on points and Abraham seemed to be coming on a bit stronger...
Could Dirrell have won? Possibly. Could Abraham have scored a late KO? Possibly. - But we will never know.
After Abraham scored an invalid shot on Dirrell (who is known not to have the toughest chin), had the fight gone on, it is very likely Abraham would have won because Dirrell would have been hurt and no longer "in the game" because of that blow.
Obviously Abraham should not be allowed to win a fight because of the advantage gained from that illegal blow. So, should the fight have been stooped? -YES- Was the fight stopped? -YES- At the time of stoppage, was Dirrell winning?" -YES-
What else do we need to talk about? The fight ended exactly as it should have given the circumstances. Now someone come and prove me wrong.
I think you are in the wrong thread all your points are valid but go have a little look at the thread starters statement he is asking weather you think Dirrell was acting or not ;).
I am a huge fan of Abraham. Could have he knocked Dirrell out? Maybe, we'll never know. Was he losing the match? At this point, assuredly. Does he deserve the disqualification? Most definitely, it's not allowed to knock a guy on the floor. Was Dirrell pretending? I am certain, which just makes it more circus-a-like but that doesn't change the fact that King Arthur did deserve to be disqualified, it's just sucky that the Referee didn't rule Dirrell "slip" as a knock down, which it obviously was. If he wouldn't have foul hit dirrell on the Floor, Abraham might have had a small chance to go for the knocked out, we can only speculate on that part, end of the story.
I'd like to see Andre Dirrell win a whole fight, without falling to the canvas.
Honestly, when Dirrell started that epileptic/conniption fit I thought of Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Maybe I watched too many scary movies, but I did not expect Andre Dirrell to live.
I just rewatched the end and it seemed a lot less fake this time. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1igo_...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0LvAbRSIOA
I'd say Dirrell should be odds on to win against Ward by DQ ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I don't think he was acting in the slightest because I've seen people react like that when getting laid out in the gym. But, I've made my feelings clear elsewhere, I actually feel Abraham may not have intentionally done it, but the fact was once he did there was no excuse but to DQ him. I think Dirrell would have survived as well, but it is disappointing we'll now never know.
abraham was getting beat but coming on. if he had not thrown the cheap shot then maybe he would of won...we'll never know.