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Time to put our money where our mouth is. I just heard Froch on the radio sounding rather paranoid about being robbed. Says Kessler has the ability to fiddle his way to a points victory.
I've been backing FRoch to be knocked out for about the last 7 years. I was clearly wrong about him. He gets unfair criticism on this site, he's better than most make out and at the least a serious tough bastard.
Having said that.. I'm picking Kessler by late stoppage/PTS
if you asked me this question a year ago i would of nailed down a 100% for a kess stoppage win
But froch just keeps surprising me. He has that calzaghe esque ability to adapt to situations and can fight on the front and back foot.
Im still gonna go with a narrow kessler points win as i feel froch may just be a bit to timid early on. But all the same i wouldnt be surprised if froch pulled it off and if he did it would far exceed anything calzaghe ever did
Please stop comparing Froch with Calzaghe. You are the only person on Earth that can see Calzaghe in FRoch. They are nothing alike. Nothing. Well they both have a solid chin. But that's it.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
And Hammer I really don't see Froch as very adaptable. He didn't adapt vs Pascal, or Taylor, or Dirrell. But he still managed to win them though so i'm not going to criticise him. He has his style and it happens to have eventually worked in his last three fights. (well actually it didn't work against Dirrell, which is probably when he most needed some 'adaptability').
Im simply stating that he has that unique ability to adapt to different fights just like calzaghe didQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
And who are we to say froch wont be better than calzaghe. At this stage of his career calzaghe was fighting tomato cans at cardiff arms park.
Froch is the best of the 6 fighters if you ask me, just think he may get taken aback come saturday night and fall a tad short
Hammer, what fights has Froch shown his adaptability in? And what did he do to adapt?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerIm simply stating that he has that unique ability to adapt to different fights just like calzaghe didQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
And who are we to say froch wont be better than calzaghe. At this stage of his career calzaghe was fighting tomato cans at cardiff arms park.
Froch is the best of the 6 fighters if you ask me, just think he may get taken aback come saturday night and fall a tad short
I think you mean tenacity rather than adaptability. He certainly has plenty of tenacity.
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Originally Posted by ryanmanHammer, what fights has Froch shown his adaptability in? And what did he do to adapt?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerIm simply stating that he has that unique ability to adapt to different fights just like calzaghe didQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
And who are we to say froch wont be better than calzaghe. At this stage of his career calzaghe was fighting tomato cans at cardiff arms park.
Froch is the best of the 6 fighters if you ask me, just think he may get taken aback come saturday night and fall a tad short
I think you mean tenacity rather than adaptability. He certainly has plenty of tenacity.
lets just look at his last 3 fights
jean pascal - from the word go froch goes at 100miles an hour and batters pascal all over the place. Eventually by 3-4 pascal is getting back into it and the out an out fight is beginning to suit the canadian. Froch adapts his style to pot shotting his way to victory and comes away with a unanimous win
jermain taylor - froch is 2nd best early doors taken aback by the hostile crowd and even knocked down by a flash punch. From 6 onwards froch uses his boxing ability to get back into the fight and by the 12th he is able to chop down taylor mainly due to the work he did earlier in the fight.
Andre Dirrell - you know, i know it, froch knows it - dirrell didnt come to fight, he came to run for 12rounds which is exactly what he did. Could froch afford at any stage to go on an all out assault? course not, dirrell would simply pick him off at will. Instead the cobra beats dirrell at his own game and takes a comfortable win
now thats adaptability for you!!!
I think in the pascal fight when it was close he showed that he changed his game plan in order to change his style to change the pace of the fight. It was very close up until this point. In the Taylor fight again as Taylor showed his decline as he does in every fight he upped the pace and kept coming forward to eventually stop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanHammer, what fights has Froch shown his adaptability in? And what did he do to adapt?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerIm simply stating that he has that unique ability to adapt to different fights just like calzaghe didQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
And who are we to say froch wont be better than calzaghe. At this stage of his career calzaghe was fighting tomato cans at cardiff arms park.
Froch is the best of the 6 fighters if you ask me, just think he may get taken aback come saturday night and fall a tad short
I think you mean tenacity rather than adaptability. He certainly has plenty of tenacity.
I think this fight is going to be very close and its a case of who wants it more. I think Froch has had to dig deep a lot recently and in those fights I think he has gained a lot of experience in situations which he has turned around the result from losing the fight to winning it. I think Kessler has been on the decline since the Calzaghe fight and thats been clear from his performances of late. I think the Ward fight shows that he is beatable and he really doesnt have a second game plan. I expect a very exciting brawl and I think Carl will do enough to walk away champion with a spectacular late stoppage. COME ON FROCHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
Fenster couldn't have done that any better.
Anyways, I think Kessler is finally the guy who burst this mythical bubble of Froch's.
I think Kessler in a great war for as long as it lasts. I can't wait for this fight.
I hope Froch wins though.
I'm going with a Kessler win.
Kessler, bit no where near 100% on him, maybe I'm picking him cos I hate that crow nosed twat :). Thought he struggled to put his punches together against Perdomo and that was confirmed against Ward, not the same fighter he was 3 years ago and the only legitimate oppponent he had since JC he lost to decisively.
Just like Hammer, a year or two ago I would have had Kessler all day, but now, I think not. I'm still not 100% sold on the Granite Chin of Froch to be honest, but if that holds firm, I see Froch beating the fight out of Kessler. Kessler will be there, straight up, not elusive, not incredibly difficult to hit and Froch is quite similar, just that Froch maybe has a bit more variety of punches for me and a bit more of an awkward target. I think it'll be a battle of will and determination down the stretch, and going on Kesslers will, he looked a beaten man against Ward, I think Froch grinds it out and stops him late on, inside the championship rounds. I see a repeat of the Ward fight, just with Froch providing guts and fire power rather than the movement and boxing ability of Ward to beat Kessler down. I'm going out on a limb here but after this fight, I think Kessler will be done.
i think had the fight taken place 18 months ago Kessler all the way. things have changed. i think frochs championship heart and tenacity will be enough for him to gain a close hard fought decision win
I think Froch wins by knockout! Kessler is definitely the technically better fighter so i suppose I should go with him! but I've noticed he does not have that same will to win that Froch seems to have. And unless he's learnt to adapt he either gets stopped or Froch robbed.
Yeah but he has the crowd on his side this time, unlike the Coke Head and Ward fights so maybe it will give him an extra boost...Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
The more I think about it the more I fancy Kessler. Maybe Kessler is done. But he's worth a chance just down to the old adage - styles make fights.
Jesus bamboozled Kessler with speed, angles, movement and output. His other loss was similar. And in both he was away from home.
Froch wont pose those problems. Froch is bringing toughness, tenacity, confidence and is less exposed. But Froch will also be the slower man, not have a greater punch frequency and most importantly Kessler will have success whacking his big nose which will raise his confidence and the home crowd cheers.
Before Kessler's loss to Ward, i predicted Kessler would toy with Froch for the whole fight and eventually stop him.
My opinion has changed though.
Although Kessler still has the ability to control Froch's pressure behind his jab, Froch's ability to make it a rough fight makes it interesting because Kessler has shown to bet frustrated with dirty tactics. Also include that Froch has a good right hand, is durable and strong and i think he could cause the upset and......... by stoppage.
For the time being, i ain't picking a winner although i'm starting to edge towards Froch.
Very tough one to pick for me... going for Froch though on Points/late stoppage
I think Kessler might get old in this fight and that Froch is by far the hungrier fighter. ;)
Put it this way i wouldn't put money on this one
Froch wins by stoppage , if he isnt a paper tiger , because Kessler is and always was only a good fighter. To limited .
I'm going with Froch.
He simply has more to fight for. Yes there is the Super 6 tournament, potential superstardom and loads of moolah to be made from winning these big fights.
But Froch is fighting for something more.
As an ugly man, he's fighting to keep the incredibly hot looking girl he has. Kessler is a fine looking young man and would attract the ladies whether successful or not, but the only way Froch keeps his relationship going is if he keeps winning.
He must know that defeat condemns him to relations with the kind of fat birds that had me bolting the door and hiding under my bed last night. Looking at the Cobra's face, you know he's been there, that's probably why his nose is the way it is, wilted and deformed from being between the legs of two ton crusher thighs. That pale look isn't natural, it's the look of a man who has seen a morbidly obese woman naked and touching herself.
He won't want to go back there, and faced with that image he will find the will to win, whatever the challenge.
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammerIm simply stating that he has that unique ability to adapt to different fights just like calzaghe didQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
And who are we to say froch wont be better than calzaghe. At this stage of his career calzaghe was fighting tomato cans at cardiff arms park.
Froch is the best of the 6 fighters if you ask me, just think he may get taken aback come saturday night and fall a tad short
Oh for fuucks sakes at the same age Calzaghe had been a champ for 8 years;D
Beating Kessler now does not compare to the fighter that Calzaghe fought. Iv doubts about Kesslers heart now after that fight, he fought well in there but since, hes looked mediocre, when he was battering a fresh Andrade and wiping out Beyer I thought it was a big ask for Calzaghe at the late stage of his career to be able to dominate as much as he did against such a good young proven champion!!
Froch is still yet to face a world rated super middle believe it or not! Taylor was an ex middle who was dropped by Lacy before winning on points and had been beaten by another middle weight, thats all he had at supermiddle, nothing to say he was world class at the weight and Taylor had he lasted would have beaten Carl, he even dropped him hard!
Pascal has gone on to prove himself a bit but to say hed been wobbled badly, Froch couldnt dent him and he hadnt fought any decent fighters to that point either, same goes for Dirrell who, when he did fight, was outboxing Carl easy!!
Carl has been stronger than his opponents and had to gut out wins, he hasnt outskilled anyone. If Kessler has any hunger left he out points Froch!
I'am slightly siding with Kessler Froch is to easy to hit and he will be infront of Kessler all night,both have a decent chin although Froch has been getting hurt since he has moved up to world level.But most important thing i see in this fight is their defence's and i have to favour Kessler's. I'am going for kessler by late stoppage or points win.
After wot Bilbo said I am changing my vote to Froch 100% :),
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Originally Posted by Bomp
You know it man, it ain't the title he's fighting for it's Rachel Cordingly. He's not giving that up. :cool:
In them 8 years it has taken Froch less than 18 months to have a better resume as a World ChampQuote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerIm simply stating that he has that unique ability to adapt to different fights just like calzaghe didQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
And who are we to say froch wont be better than calzaghe. At this stage of his career calzaghe was fighting tomato cans at cardiff arms park.
Froch is the best of the 6 fighters if you ask me, just think he may get taken aback come saturday night and fall a tad short
Oh for fuucks sakes at the same age Calzaghe had been a champ for 8 years;D
Beating Kessler now does not compare to the fighter that Calzaghe fought. Iv doubts about Kesslers heart now after that fight, he fought well in there but since, hes looked mediocre, when he was battering a fresh Andrade and wiping out Beyer I thought it was a big ask for Calzaghe at the late stage of his career to be able to dominate as much as he did against such a good young proven champion!!
Froch is still yet to face a world rated super middle believe it or not! Taylor was an ex middle who was dropped by Lacy before winning on points and had been beaten by another middle weight, thats all he had at supermiddle, nothing to say he was world class at the weight and Taylor had he lasted would have beaten Carl, he even dropped him hard!
Pascal has gone on to prove himself a bit but to say hed been wobbled badly, Froch couldnt dent him and he hadnt fought any decent fighters to that point either, same goes for Dirrell who, when he did fight, was outboxing Carl easy!!
Carl has been stronger than his opponents and had to gut out wins, he hasnt outskilled anyone. If Kessler has any hunger left he out points Froch!
If Kessler doesn't win this fight then picking him in future fights starts to become blind faith.
And losing three in a row would make him a foolish pick against anyone respectable.
I think he can win this one though :cool:
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
This is my favorite post since returning to this wonderful place. My kind of reasoning ol' pal!
I wonder how much Kessler's confidence is battered. Froch is unbeaten and will have more belief( although was talking like he's already lost on the radio earlier) I'm going for Froch but both are average in terms of world class imo
Froch to stop him late.
I said that. Alan Brazil?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Surely Carl Froch can't keep getting away, with his poor punching technique. And blocking punches with your face, i know Mikkel Kessler is probably a bit past it.
But he's still a much better boxer and has some good pop. Im going with Mikkel Kessler style wise, Carl Froch should be tailor made for a boxer/puncher like Mikkel Kessler. Who likes fighters to come towards him.
Don't throw anything at me...but i see kessler having no problem with froch. For whatever reason what everyone see's in the guy i just don't see. One thing i will give him reguardless of what i say dude has been winning and that the number one thing.
I usually listen to Talk Sport all day (been on the road or working from home) but I actually missed the show this morning. Somebody phoned me and said that if Froch wins it would be a miracle because he was talking like a beaten man on Brazil this morning!Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI said that. Alan Brazil?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Yeah he was worried about getting robbed but even more worried about getting the plane. He was seriously shitting himself about the flight/ash, sounded like he was still having second thoughts about taking it ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HI usually listen to Talk Sport all day (been on the road or working from home) but I actually missed the show this morning. Somebody phoned me and said that if Froch wins it would be a miracle because he was talking like a beaten man on Brazil this morning!Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterI said that. Alan Brazil?Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Kessler by KO 9 - 10 Round
Tale of the Tape: Carl Froch vs. Mikkel Kessler: Tale Of The Tape
Thing is Kessler only loses to people who can fight on the outside better then him. Froch isnt that person lol So this should be an easy fight for Kessler, if he loses this one he should really rethink his future in the tournament and let Bute take his placeQuote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I picked Kessler but I'm not overly confident. I think its fairly even but hometown advantage has to put the fight in Kesslers favour.
I don't think Kessler has any issue with Froch. I think Froch will bother him with a little pressure early and land his shots while taking them. This is the best style matchup Kessler will be presented with in the tournament.
Also when he lost to Calzaghe and Ward, it was those guy's adaptability that let them beat Kessler. Kessler was doing good against Calzaghe, winning the exchanges with harder, crisper punches. Calzaghe turned it around in time though by moving more and doing a lot of work with the jab. Ward simply didn't give the same look twice and kept Kessler off rhythm all night.ir Froch won't do any of that lol.
Boxing has so many ups and downs, Kessler is being underrated now by product of perhaps being a bit overrated, people calling him unproven ect. but he's still the division's greatest mainstay for the past 7 or 8 years he should not be written off so quickly.