Basically Mayweather refuses to pay the sanctioning fees :rolleyes:
So if he wins he doesn't get the belt, it becomes vacant or Shane gets to keep it...
I mean how tight is Foyd FFS? What kinda fees do the WBA impose?
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Basically Mayweather refuses to pay the sanctioning fees :rolleyes:
So if he wins he doesn't get the belt, it becomes vacant or Shane gets to keep it...
I mean how tight is Foyd FFS? What kinda fees do the WBA impose?
Fair play I reckon, who cares if its for a belt or not?? It doesnt make any difference, its not as if wed ever get a unified champ with all the belts floating around now anyway.
Both fighters are big, do not need the title and at the end of their careers to care.
The real question should be: After all its shady moves, does it worth something to have the WBA belt?Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
I applaud Floyd for this these fucking sanctioning fees are a joke. We don't need a meaningless belt to tell us this is a massive fight.
Yeah I'm in two minds about this also. On the one hand I think it's a cheek of Floyd to not pay them so that Shane can't win the title.
On the other hand I think it would be great for boxing if every fighter just refused to pay and got rid of all the belt organisations.
We could just create one organisation, a conglomerate of all within boxing to issue a single belt per weight class and fuck the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO right off.
who gives a shit that it's not for a World title, something more important is on the line, the Lineal Welterweight Championship
I'm sure floyd said a while back that he only wants to fight for the WBC title.
Barerra never paid sanctioning fees.
I agree with the above, 'the title' doesn't change this fight in the slightest.
I'm sure that Ring Magazine (owned by Golden Boy) will use this chance to add that "this fighter will be recognized by RING as the true and lineal welterweight champion." haha.
I like belts to a certain point, belts IMO identify who's at the top of their division and legitimizes certain fights. But once you've fought in multiple weight classes and you're a known star, belts should just be thrown away unless you're trying to win your first belt in that division. Floyd's already won the WBC Welterweight title and Shane has won a belt multiple titles at 147, it's pointless for a belt to be on the line. Same goes for any of the big stars.
Who gives a crap about a belt when he can barley hold all the one's he has now to even take a picture with them. I wouldn't pay those retarded fee's either. The way these things are set up there are guys with belts who i've even never heard of. Makes me laugh everytime a new name is popped up before hbo fights of guys they have to mention just because they weasled their way into one.
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I couldn't even tell you who has which belt in almost every division but know who the main men are
its the casual boxing fan where the problem lies - try explaining to them how the best fighters in a division are not actually the world champion. :rolleyes:
I have enough grief at work from a couple of guys who slag the sport off for the confusing multiple champion system as it is :-\
Titles should not dictate fighters careers, which is exactly what they do. Total leeches.
Barrera started this trend of fighters being bigger than belts and then others started doing it too.
Floyds just tight though
But im pretty sure Mosely is the WBA champ, isnt that what he won off margarito?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by SnakeyBut im pretty sure Mosely is the WBA champ, isnt that what he won off margarito?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
The WBA is a joke no he is not the champ that is Vyacheslav Senchenko.
According to this months BM Mosley is the WBA welterweight champ. When did he get stripped?Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyBut im pretty sure Mosely is the WBA champ, isnt that what he won off margarito?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
The WBA is a joke no he is not the champ that is Vyacheslav Senchenko.
This is good news (as most have said). The fight doesn't need a shitty alphabet.
It's especially good news for Mosley. By showing his loyalty to the WBA he will get an immediate shot at the vacant title or "real" title, so basically can't lose it even if he loses.
They probably worked all this out with Floyd beforehand.
Exactly, the WBA has two welterweight champions. Why would Floyd want to be co-cahmpion with Vyacheslav Senchenko.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyBut im pretty sure Mosely is the WBA champ, isnt that what he won off margarito?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
The WBA is a joke no he is not the champ that is Vyacheslav Senchenko.
Way to go Floyd, you finally made me proud.
Screw the WBA and their multiple paper titles in ever weight class.
He is probably the super duper wooper Champ or some other meaningless title the WBA have.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAMEAccording to this months BM Mosley is the WBA welterweight champ. When did he get stripped?Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
The WBA is a joke no he is not the champ that is Vyacheslav Senchenko.
It's not needed. It would make absolutely NO DIFFERENCE to the PPV figures or the amount of interest in the fight. The belts don't mean shit anymore so why pay money to fight for one?
For once I'm giving Floyd praise for this. Still a cunt though.
;D Everyone is giving props to Floyd for not paying the fees but you can guarantee his motives were $$$ orientated. Certainly not for the best interests of the sport...
Just like the whole 'I wanna clean up Boxing from PED's' bull shit...:rolleyes:
You're talking about a couple/few hundred thousand dollars. Why should he pay that? Might as well put the money down a drain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
Yeah the PED's stuff is bullshit he just wants nothing of Pac.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
He gets zero benefit for fighting for any belt though, he is bigger than any belt out there, why credit one of the sanctioning bodies with his name and popularity?
Sanctioning fees can be up to 4% of the purse if I remember correctly. I would guess at least a couple of percent for a fight like this. Up to 4% of a twenty or thirty million dollar purse isn't a bad night's work for the WBA. I don't know why Mosley is paying it either. I'm going to stop now before I get into a rant about sanctioning bodies. What the fuck are RICO laws for if not for cunts like these people?
Pretty amazing how obvious the hatred towards Floyd is when a few people are defending alphabet title sanctioning fees against him.
I mean the alphabets are considered by the majority as the biggest cancer on the sport we love.
To show how ridiculous they are look at this link
World Boxing Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Check out how many divisions have multiple champs. As a matter of fact only 5 weight classes have 1 champ all the rest have many.
So everyone saying that belts don't matter suddenly they do cause mayweather doesn't pay fees? I wish more fighters would do it maybe all these belt organizations can go bankruptQuote:
Originally Posted by Conrad
Why would you pay them? Remember when Baldomir fought for the title when Zab had 3 belts, he only paid one and it was a 6 digit sum. What is the point of the belts? It's almost like they're made out to be a necessary evil when they're not.
Having the WBA belt on the line would add NOT A SINGLE BUY to this PPV, seriously.
They are literally going for 3 champions per division.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Floyd said it best, Belts don't do nothing but collect dust
Apparently the belt Mayweather Jr. cares about is the WBC belt. :rolleyes:
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WBA: Appendix D
For world championship contests (in US $):
1) PROMOTER’S BOUT FEE
TOTAL PURSE OF THE BOXERS PROMOTION BOUT FEE (US$)
Up to $ 250.000 $ 6,000
FROM $ 250.001 TO $ 500.000 $ 8,000
FROM $ 500.001 TO $ 1.000.000 $ 10,000
FROM $ 1.000.001 TO $ 4.000.000 $ 15,000
FROM $ 4.000.001 TO $ 7.000.000 $ 20,000
FROM $ 7.000.001 TO $ 10.000.000 $ 25,000
FROM $ 10.000.001 Ahead $ 30,000
2) Sanctioning Fee Percentage of Purse Minimum Maximum
Champion 3% of purse $ 3,500 $ 150,000
Challenger 3% of purse $ 1,500 $ 150,000
If both fighters are recognized as champions, each is subject to the champion’s fee. If both fighters are recognized as challengers, each is subject to the challenger’s fee.
It's a shame it's not for a belt. Will it be for the Ring title though? I think if it's 2 of the top 3 in their rankings fighting each other then they will award the winner the title providing it is vacant which it is at the moment.
The Ring belt means waaaayyy more than any of the alphabet straps now anyway.
It is not for The Ring belt. The Ring Belt is only when #1 fights #2, and in rare circumstances where #1 fights #3. However in this case Manny Pacquiao is ranked #1, so there is no way to crown a welterweight champion without his involvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
It should be noted that when Margarito and Mosely fought each other (Marg then #1 and Mosely then #3), many people felt it should have been for the welterweight tile and criticized The Ring for not recognizing it. Those people continue to consider Mosely at THE welterweight champion, and I sort of agree.
How is this anything but good? If the bastards wanted him to pay $50 I'd be just as glad he told them to fuck off. Mosley has paid the fees so he will still hold on to the belt.
If any other fighter had done this we'd be applauding them for standing up to the sanctioning bodies... well maybe not Amir Khan :p
The WBA are the worst of a bad bunch, they don't deserve to be associated with this fight, which should be for the Ring title, but as usual they've fucked up their rankings, dropping Shane to 2nd :-\
mayweather dont want that belt because he would have to fight number one contenders. Bhop defended his title 20 times. this dude is filthy rich how can it be a problem to pay for it seriously? A title is a crown and the real warrior go crazy to get it and keep it.Quote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
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Originally Posted by terrorsidmayweather dont want that belt because he would have to fight number one contenders. Bhop defended his title 20 times. this dude is filthy rich how can it be a problem to pay for it seriously? A title is a crown and the real warrior go crazy to get it and keep it.Quote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
Ok, assuming that Mayweather wins the title let's see who his 'number one contenders' are.
1. Souleymane Mbaye - The same Mbaye who's never beaten a decent opponent at 147
2. Antonin Decarie - Undefeated Canadian whose best win came over ol' Terrance Cauthen
3. Hector Saldivia - Basic Argentine slugger, a poor man's Carlos Baldomir
4. Said Ouali - a fighter under Mayweather promotions, basically given a contract so he could be a sparring partner for the Baldomir & Hatton fights.
5. Mike Jones - exciting young fighter, whose best win is a decision over an old Henry Bruseles, the same fighter Mayweather battered five years ago. Could be good one day, but that day is about 2 years away.
I think we clearly see the worth of the WBA's 'challengers'
HE's number two? I didn't even realize that. the guy's a good little boxer, I've seen him a couple of times fighting, he has interesting technique and speed but it is definitely not a real top 10, a top 25 maybe at best. I do not see how him or any of the others might be the slightest scare for PBF personally and it shows what really worths the WBA by these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsidmayweather dont want that belt because he would have to fight number one contenders. Bhop defended his title 20 times. this dude is filthy rich how can it be a problem to pay for it seriously? A title is a crown and the real warrior go crazy to get it and keep it.Quote:
Originally Posted by albsur2006
Ok, assuming that Mayweather wins the title let's see who his 'number one contenders' are.
1. Souleymane Mbaye - The same Mbaye who's never beaten a decent opponent at 147
2. Antonin Decarie - Undefeated Canadian whose best win came over ol' Terrance Cauthen
3. Hector Saldivia - Basic Argentine slugger, a poor man's Carlos Baldomir
4. Said Ouali - a fighter under Mayweather promotions, basically given a contract so he could be a sparring partner for the Baldomir & Hatton fights.
5. Mike Jones - exciting young fighter, whose best win is a decision over an old Henry Bruseles, the same fighter Mayweather battered five years ago. Could be good one day, but that day is about 2 years away.
I think we clearly see the worth of the WBA's 'challengers'
The only one of those guys who MIGHT be considered in the top 20 welterweights in the world is Mike Jones & even then it's debatable. I'd be disgusted if Mayweather paid for the belt & actually fought one of those guys, he should be getting credit for fighting Mosley without some piece of shit dime-a-dozen belt around. It would be great if all the top fighters followed his lead & refused to pay sanctioning fees to the likes of the WBAQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessHE's number two? I didn't even realize that. the guy's a good little boxer, I've seen him a couple of times fighting, he has interesting technique and speed but it is definitely not a real top 10, a top 25 maybe at best. I do not see how him or any of the others might be the slightest scare for PBF personally and it shows what really worths the WBA by these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by terrorsid
Ok, assuming that Mayweather wins the title let's see who his 'number one contenders' are.
1. Souleymane Mbaye - The same Mbaye who's never beaten a decent opponent at 147
2. Antonin Decarie - Undefeated Canadian whose best win came over ol' Terrance Cauthen
3. Hector Saldivia - Basic Argentine slugger, a poor man's Carlos Baldomir
4. Said Ouali - a fighter under Mayweather promotions, basically given a contract so he could be a sparring partner for the Baldomir & Hatton fights.
5. Mike Jones - exciting young fighter, whose best win is a decision over an old Henry Bruseles, the same fighter Mayweather battered five years ago. Could be good one day, but that day is about 2 years away.
I think we clearly see the worth of the WBA's 'challengers'