Froch is THE worst boxer I have EVER seen

Exaggerating? Maybe...I have watched guys like Mayorga, Carlos Maussa..honestly, I think he's slightly better than Maussa.

This guy was so woeful against Kessler, I ask myself every time I watch him how he ever won a world title?? (I have some idea's why which I'm gonna mention)

Kessler was nowhere near his best and still thoroughly beat Froch..I can't see how anybody could have even thought about giving the fight to Froch? He had a few good rounds towards the end of the fight but I didn't think the judge was too far off calling it a 117-111.

If Froch would have got the nod in Nottingham, I would have called that a blatant robbery.

I've seen people throw shots with better technique in the their first day at a boxing gym. How many times did this idiot throw a shot which missed completely and squared him up leaving him way out of position?

In fact he nearly got knocked out when this happened once I think it was the 5th or 8th (I mix up when Kessler slipped down)

How about the time when he missed and did a complete 360? Awful!!

He has piss poor hand speed, piss poor defence, piss poor technique and piss poor reflexes

How has someone so bad been undefeated for so long and even won a world title?

Well he's lucky for being blessed with certain attributes..

The main ones are his stupidly long arms which sometimes allows him to get away with having zero defence and also gives him that "ball and chain" power like Hearns had.

Secondly, he has good stamina. He should be saying "Thank Fuck" every single day for his stamina or he'd have been exposed a long time ago.

Thirdly, a fair chin. I say fair because he can be knocked out. Just you watch. Kessler wobbled and punished him for his recklessness. Direll also wobbled him with a shot he didn't see because of his lack of defence. Taylor dropped him too.

By and large though, he takes big shots well. When he doesn't see them though, which is often due to being so wild, he is vulnerable.

Anyway, rant over but the reason this guy get's to me so much is that his ego is out of control. Pure delusion. I've never seen anything like it...Hatton, Audley and Calzaghe have nothing on this guy!

No doubt some of you will stick up for old Frochy, but please, tell me honestly what it is about this guy that is going over my head apart from the fact his recklessness leads to tons of leather being smashed upon his stupid his face? (Which is fairly entertaining, yes)

I don't like Carl Froch inside or outside the ring really, but i have to give him credit. For being a so called crap boxer he's done pretty well. That just goes to show how much dedication he has and how strong his will is.

Beating some very good fighters like Jermain Taylor, Jean Pascal, i don't count the Andre Dirrell fight as a win. But still Andre Dirrell was so negative even though i thought he won, he hardly looked like a winner falling to the ground about 10 times.

Also Carl Froch done alot better against Mikkel Kessler, than i thought he could. I had it 115-113 for Mikkel Kessler, both men fought there hearts out, and it was a great fight.

I don't think Carl Froch has anything to be ashamed of, and i actually don't think he looks that bad, when he puts his hands up and uses his underrated jab.

But i don't get why he doesn't do that more often, he is nowhere near the worst boxer of all time. If he was that bad he wouldn't of beaten elite fighters, and won a world title.

Whether you love him or hate, he always lets it all hang out. He's entertaining and he isn't scared of anyone.

I've said it in previous posts. I really have no idea what people see in the guy but outside of his last fight he's beaten the guys they've put in front of him so i do give him credit for that. Another prop i'll give him is that every fight i've seen him in lately has been pretty exciting. I don't see how in hell he's going to compete with abraham and if he ever had to face ward well..........

;D Why would you want to 'rant' about someone who makes fights exciting?
Na seriously, you should just learn to like him for what he is. Clumsy but cocky. You gotta love that!

His fight with Abraham will be an absolute classic ;)

He's definately not a great boxer but he makes up for this with stamina,heart,strength and sheer grit and determination. He must have something about him cause he's beat some good fighters. I appreciate him for what he is. Not everyone can fight like mayweather,pacman. I think he can beat Abraham, ward takes him too school tho.









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Ah, he's not THAT bad... But pretty close. I have NO idea why people rate him so highly. Honestly though, what does that say about Kessler, that he was in such a close fight with him. I only had it two(maybe three) points Kessler's way.

Kessler's hands were at his chest and he was getting hit WITH A FUCKING UP-JAB from Froch's waist.

I've always thought Froch lacked in most areas but found ways to win which you have to admire. I don't rate his win over Taylor that highly due to him getting beat post to pillar before Taylor ran out of gas... But that's part of boxing and he got the KO win. I give him credit for clawing a win out of a loss.

His foot placement and balance are horrid... The way he leaves himself after punches... He fights that way against Abraham and he's gonna get knocked the fuck out. TBH, the more I think about it, the more I see Abraham stopping him.

Froch does tend to make fights exciting being he's so goddamn flawed.

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Originally Posted by ICB

I don't like Carl Froch inside or outside the ring really, but i have to give him credit. For being a so called crap boxer he's done pretty well. That just goes to show how much dedication he has and how strong his will is.

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Agreed.

Whenever these "FIGHTER X is only good because of NATURAL TRAIT X" discussions come up, and who deserves what, I always think about Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven: "Deserves got nothin' to do with it." Its all about winning. If you can win a fight (or a championship) swinging wildly like Mayorga or with piss poor boxing skills like Froch, than more power to you. I'm not and never will be a Froch fan, but you gotta take your hat off to him.

Would Julio Cesar Chavez have become a legend if it wasn't for his chin? Or Muhammad Ali if it wasn't for his speed and reflexes? Ect ect.

That being said, I can't wait to see an angry, motivated King Arthur beat the hell out of him.

I have to say in some parts I totally agree man, Froch has a couple the very very worst attributes I've seen in a boxer. Worst footwork, gets so square and is always always off babalance when he fights someone that has a sniff of movement to their game, and most annoying to watch is the worst uppercut technique in the world bar none, almost like a move out of Street Fighter that you can see coming from the cheap seats. Aside from that, like ICB says, his desire, will and supreme conditioning are second to none. I'm sure there are plenty of boxers out there that could learn heaps from training sessions with Carl no doubt, dudes like Arreola and Chambers could be fighting a weight division lower than customary no problem if they were to follow Froch's suit.

He's a flawed boxer, but leaves it in the ring with some notable wins as other people have mentioned. He has Heart, chin, stamina, and he has been in some exciting fights as well. I really don't mind him. Not to mentioned he doesn't duck anyone.

It's too bad with the natural attributes he has he couldn't be a more sound and technical boxer.

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He's a flawed boxer, but leaves it in the ring with some notable wins as other people have mentioned. He has Heart, chin, stamina, and he has been in some exciting fights as well. I really don't mind him. Not to mentioned he doesn't duck anyone.

It's too bad with the natural attributes he has he couldn't be a more sound and technical boxer.

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You know, in a weird way I can see it being part of his draw. I don't like Froch but like watching his fights due to his awkward, unpolished style making a more exciting bout. Froch's fights always seem pretty exciting, bar Dirrell... and that's not Froch's fault. He always shows up to fight... albeit in a really shitty manner ;D

He has just done what came natural to him in the ring and it's worked out pretty well for him. Styles make fights and his style has certainly made some for good scraps at top level Kessler, Dirrell, Pascal, Taylor were all good to great to watch.

Calzaghe wasn't all that technically brilliant himself.

But it works for him.

And to a lesser degree it works for Froch as well.

Both of them have a lot of grit.

I agree with the slant you are taking,. Funny one of mine sparred with Him for the last Fight, I wasnt there. He reported back, He is better than He looks ;D.

I would love to see froch vs bika, that would be a great scrap IMO







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Just because...

Just because he is unorthadox doesn't mean he is bad. Clearly by definition he is one of the best boxers in the world in his weight class as he has wins against top opposition and even his only loss was a close and ferocious battle.

It's ludicrous to say people overate him so much and then call him the worst boxer ever, even if it is in jest.

He's world class, maybe not in fundamentals, but certainly in getting results.

Also how is he overated exactly? I mean he's one of those guys, like Kelly Pavlik, like Vic Darchinynan, like Antonio Margarito, that all anyone wants to talk about is his limitations.

He's still virtually unknown in Britain thanks to the zero exposure he gets so he's not overhyped either.

It's ironic really, but guys like Froch, Kelly Pavlik etc are the boxers who are actually amongst the most underated, because all people do is post about how shit they are.

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Just because he is unorthadox doesn't mean he is bad. Clearly by definition he is one of the best boxers in the world in his weight class as he has wins against top opposition and even his only loss was a close and ferocious battle.

It's ludicrous to say people overate him so much and then call him the worst boxer ever, even if it is in jest.

He's world class, maybe not in fundamentals, but certainly in getting results.

Also how is he overated exactly? I mean he's one of those guys, like Kelly Pavlik, like Vic Darchinynan, like Antonio Margarito, that all anyone wants to talk about is his limitations.

He's still virtually unknown in Britain thanks to the zero exposure he gets so he's not overhyped either.

It's ironic really, but guys like Froch, Kelly Pavlik etc are the boxers who are actually amongst the most underated, because all people do is post about how shit they are.

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Think of it as free advertising...

Besides the obvious with his hands being low, Carl Froch's legs were wide and not placed one behind the other when he got tagged. Whenever he makes this mistake, movement out of harm's way is a dice throw. That's why he is considered and exciting yet unorthodox fighter. Piss poor balance when he stands in front of an opponent and oh yes, lots of arm punches from this position. Some of his fights are longer because of this. Abraham reminds me of Chris Eubanks and he will destroy all Froch's attempts at power shots if he gets wind of the balance deficit from his inability to correct his stance and maintain a rhythm.

Bilbo is right, underrated by product of being overrated or popular. At the end of the day he's DEFINITELY one of the best 6 fighters in the division and honestly I did not believe that I have picked against him his last 4 fights.

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Bilbo is right, underrated by product of being overrated or popular. At the end of the day he's DEFINITELY one of the best 6 fighters in the division and honestly I did not believe that I have picked against him his last 4 fights.

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I can ;D

I was missing a period there. I can believe I've picked against him, I just didn't believe he was a top fighter not at all.

No-one that is apparently friends with Larry Olubamiwo could have posted that.

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Bilbo is right, underrated by product of being overrated or popular. At the end of the day he's DEFINITELY one of the best 6 fighters in the division and honestly I did not believe that I have picked against him his last 4 fights.

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He's not even overated by anyone though. I mean apart from HattontheHomo who else in the entire boxing world overates Carl Froch? :confused:

And overhyped? Apart from the hardcore boxing fans on this forum nobody in the UK or US has even heard of him.

It's ridiculous, yes he talks himself up a lot but self promotion doesn't equal other people believing he's special.

He has limitations, just as many boxers do.

The thing is, when a fighter has good fundamentals, or a great defense, or superb athleticism, all of his negative attributes tend to get completely overlooked, whereas if a fighter has a weak chin, or is slow, or throws wide looping shots for example they get ripped apart by 'experts' like Taeth who show us why they are so poor and then ask us to explain how we know so little as to have concluded they were good. These kind of threads annoy me. They just highlight an obvious point that everybody is aware of and then talk as if it's only the sage boxing wisdom of the thread starter that has deduced this and that we, the illiterare need to be informed.

I hope that Frochs loss will make him a little less cocky, and that will make him more easy to like.

I mean Bilbo that people get tired of Froch and like you say they look at his flaws that's why I put or popular but you must of missed that. Pavlik falls more into the 'overrated' category as at one time he was picked by everyone to beat anyone.

[quote=amat;869683]I mean Bilbo that people get tired of Froch and like you say they look at his flaws that's why I put or popular but you must of missed that. Pavlik falls more into the 'overrated' category as at one time he was picked by everyone to beat anyone.[/quote]

Not by Taeth though, he knew....

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I mean Bilbo that people get tired of Froch and like you say they look at his flaws that's why I put or popular but you must of missed that. Pavlik falls more into the 'overrated' category as at one time he was picked by everyone to beat anyone.[/quote]

Not by Taeth though, he knew....

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Taeth always does.

I think you've got to give him credit for heart and determination and the way he gives everything in a fight and let's face it, he got to world level so he can't be all that bad. But I definitely don't think he's an elite level boxer. Heart, guts and physical effort can only take you so far. I think he might lose a lot of confidence with the Kessler loss and if Abraham beats him I can't see him doing anything at world level after that.

I'm interested to know what Calzaghe has to say about his loss. You know it's only a matter of time before he can't help himself anymore and rings up some journalist. :)

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I hope that Frochs loss will make him a little less cocky, and that will make him more easy to like.

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I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.

Pretty unfair. He's beaten some world class fighters, always makes fights competitive and never backs down to anybody. His style isnt great thats for sure, but its exciting and fans love watching him fight. His punch power is pretty devastating.

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Pretty unfair. He's beaten some world class fighters, always makes fights competitive and never backs down to anybody. His style isnt great thats for sure, but its exciting and fans love watching him fight. His punch power is pretty devastating.

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Read the entire thread, Lefty. He gets credit where it's due.

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Pretty unfair. He's beaten some world class fighters, always makes fights competitive and never backs down to anybody. His style isnt great thats for sure, but its exciting and fans love watching him fight. His punch power is pretty devastating.

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Read the entire thread, Lefty. He gets credit where it's due.

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I've read the fukkin thread thank you. A lot of people say the same thing, so dont just pick my post out.

Come on Lefty just ask to be unbanned it would save us all a little trouble. Also, I almost kind of like Froch because it's good that he's on your side of the pond and the most likeable guy in a non-gay way.

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Come on Lefty just ask to be unbanned it would save us all a little trouble. Also, I almost kind of like Froch because it's good that he's on your side of the pond and the most likeable guy in a non-gay way.

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Its been tried and tested, no can do. Something tells me your still hurting from the Dirrell loss. Tell me if im wrong.

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Come on Lefty just ask to be unbanned it would save us all a little trouble. Also, I almost kind of like Froch because it's good that he's on your side of the pond and the most likeable guy in a non-gay way.

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Its been tried and tested, no can do. Something tells me your still hurting from the Dirrell loss. Tell me if im wrong.

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What did u get banned for mate

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Come on Lefty just ask to be unbanned it would save us all a little trouble. Also, I almost kind of like Froch because it's good that he's on your side of the pond and the most likeable guy in a non-gay way.

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Its been tried and tested, no can do. Something tells me your still hurting from the Dirrell loss. Tell me if im wrong.

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What did u get banned for mate

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Talking hard when he's not. Love Lefty. He's a solid dude until he starts talking like he's hard. PS. Most people on here, including me, enjoy Froch. We appreciate him for what he is... A flawed, exciting fighter... with disgustingly bad foot placement and general boxing ability... But the man wins and that's all that counts at the end of the day ;D

I've seen worse than Froch. He does a lot of things wrong, but his strengths have carried him through. I agree with what was said about his uppercut earlier in the thread. He throws it from so far out and you can see it coming a mile off. It's a very exaggerated motion. He should work on that a little. And yes, the 360 turning around thing was quite bizarre.

He is what he is and he will win fights against the best, but he also faces the risk of being outboxed by slicksters or outworked by fighters who are simply willing to throw more. Someone like Joe Calzaghe is Froch's worst nightmare and it's a good thing for him that the fight will never happen.

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I would love to see froch vs bika, that would be a great scrap IMO







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yeah exactly

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Exaggerating? Maybe...I have watched guys like Mayorga, Carlos Maussa..honestly, I think he's slightly better than Maussa.

This guy was so woeful against Kessler, I ask myself every time I watch him how he ever won a world title?? (I have some idea's why which I'm gonna mention)

Kessler was nowhere near his best and still thoroughly beat Froch..I can't see how anybody could have even thought about giving the fight to Froch? He had a few good rounds towards the end of the fight but I didn't think the judge was too far off calling it a 117-111.

If Froch would have got the nod in Nottingham, I would have called that a blatant robbery.

I've seen people throw shots with better technique in the their first day at a boxing gym. How many times did this idiot throw a shot which missed completely and squared him up leaving him way out of position?

In fact he nearly got knocked out when this happened once I think it was the 5th or 8th (I mix up when Kessler slipped down)

How about the time when he missed and did a complete 360? Awful!!

He has piss poor hand speed, piss poor defence, piss poor technique and piss poor reflexes

How has someone so bad been undefeated for so long and even won a world title?

Well he's lucky for being blessed with certain attributes..

The main ones are his stupidly long arms which sometimes allows him to get away with having zero defence and also gives him that "ball and chain" power like Hearns had.

Secondly, he has good stamina. He should be saying "Thank Fuck" every single day for his stamina or he'd have been exposed a long time ago.

Thirdly, a fair chin. I say fair because he can be knocked out. Just you watch. Kessler wobbled and punished him for his recklessness. Direll also wobbled him with a shot he didn't see because of his lack of defence. Taylor dropped him too.

By and large though, he takes big shots well. When he doesn't see them though, which is often due to being so wild, he is vulnerable.

Anyway, rant over but the reason this guy get's to me so much is that his ego is out of control. Pure delusion. I've never seen anything like it...Hatton, Audley and Calzaghe have nothing on this guy!

No doubt some of you will stick up for old Frochy, but please, tell me honestly what it is about this guy that is going over my head apart from the fact his recklessness leads to tons of leather being smashed upon his stupid his face? (Which is fairly entertaining, yes)

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I agree totally on your analogy of Carl Froch , he isnt so good.
However i feel it is necessary to throw a name into the hat as worst boxer ever.

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