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HI,
i just heard the pacman on his official website has agreed to 14 day cut off for fight with mayweather..just as long as his opponent has the same test and not too much blood is taken.
why cant he take it all the way up the fight...will mayweather conform to this? does he have too?
pacman will get destroyed.
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Originally Posted by imp
14 days sounds reasonable to me. mayweather is an a$$ and won't conform unless it is HIS way. hes that type of fighter. always wants it his way or no way. I suppose thats good for him, cause I still think pac will beat him up.
no offense but mosly would have beaten pacman.
Mayweather should insist on drug test up to the fight date as there are drugs that can leave the system in the 14 day period as i AM SURE THATS WHAT PACMANS DEALER TELLS HIM.
Whether you are a pacman fan of not, whether your a boxing fan or not.how can any human being truly believe this is not a good thing that pbf is doing.!
Look at marion jones, ben johnson, dwain chambers all this cheats!
why is everyone opposed to this? you must hate mayweather more than you want this sport cleaned up.
@ IMP...Your sure that's what his dealer has been telling him? LOL...Can you please find me some evidence that PROVES a. that Pac-man is on PED's and b. that his dealer has been telling him that the PED's leave his system in 14 days.
To me, it just seems like your talking complete bollocks!!
whatever the case chris, i would not turn down 40 million for a drug test.
there is no excuse on pacmans side..either he is scared or he is taking something.
ask yourself something chris..would you turn down 30-40 milion to clean up the sport of boxing?..mug.
Smells the troll 100 kilometers around. If ever this bout is about to happen, I vote that Saddo elect a lynch mob to help the mods to do their job as it'll be hunting season big time
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It's not whether the drugs leave his system in 14 days anyways... it weather taking drugs 14 days before the fight will improve his performance...
Currently at his demanded 24 day cut off before the fight, there is reason to believe that IF he is on something or does take PED's (hate that word.. reminded me of "pedophile"... but it's quicker to type), that if he takes his final test 24 days before the fight, then he can get back on the stuff and be at his peak performance for the fight.. or at least enhanced...
If that last test date was cut back to 14 days, then obviously IF he was taking something, it may have a lesser effect.. But no one know IF or WHAT he may take, or how long it takes to have effects, so these dates are irrelevant...
He's just playing with symantics now... He must either submit to the olympic standard testing or not... It's not "Floyd's special made up schedule of drug testing",,, it's Olympic standard drug testing that Floyd is demanding...... It makes no difference how Pac wants to play around with cut-off dates.... Floyd is only going to take the fight if Pac agree's to the Olympic standard...
Of course it's good for boxing.. And Pac should just do the fucking things.... But what is BETTTTTTTTTTER for boxing, is GIANT F'N FIGHTS LIKE THIS.... And Floyd will be happy to see this one go by because he's demanding something that no boxer or boxing commission has demanded almost in the history of boxing.... That is Pac's point..... You can see it one way, you can see it the other...
At this point, Pac just needs to agree otherwise we won't see this fight... Simple.. And hopefully he pounds Mayweathers ass into dust for all this nonsense..
Can I get an Amen ?!
If I was Pac i could think of 30 million reasons why I would do these tests the way Floyd wants, but the 2 reasons that would mean the most to me personally is that BOXING would benefit from having this fight take place, and secondly it would clear my name to the many people who now think I have cheated my way to the top of the p4p list. Yes I may get beaten up badly in facing Floyd but at least I gave the FANS what they wanted to see.
good thread dizaster, but this nonsense IS a good thing and should be in ALL sports.
I cant see Bob arum letting this fight slip through his fingers as its too much money to not put on his pension, freddie roach will try to force the fact that pbf was hurt in the 2nd round and pacman would have the stamina to finish pbf off so I can see the pressure building for pac and this fight taking place on the 1st of Ocober. 42-0-0
random drug/blood testing with 14 day cut-off plus blood and urine testing right after the fight. this sounds good already.
@ IMP... I wouldn't turn down £10 for a drug test but then I'm not a multi-millionaire sporting icon but you still didn't answer my question dude. I asked if you could prove that Pac-man is on PED's and that his dealer says that PED's leave your system in 14 days? So I'm a little confused at why your so "sure" given lack of any evidence.
I agree with you about the need for better testing in boxing. I can only see pluses from it but surely it needs to implemented by the governing bodies. Not just a boxer making demands. Pac-man has never ever come up positive on a urine test and he was willing to take a blood test 30 days before the fight and straight after the fight. He has his reasons as to why he won't take them running up to the fight. I've never met the bloke so I can't tell you what they are. If you want to speculate about what they are that's fine but I believe that everyone is innocent until proven guilty. I guess you've already decided Pac is guilty based on....... what exactly?
Chris, pac might be guilty, he might be not.
At the end of the day pbf agreed to his demands about the weight issue (any pounds over 147 in weigh in pbf gets fined 10million) pac did not agree to his terms.
We all know that this would be good fight and it needs to happen for boxing but for crying out loud pbf IS the face of boxing..even when he was retired from boxing the sport cried out of him.
Pac man in my opinion is a great little fighter with speed and lots of stamina but I do believe he is on a timothey bradley level which is very promising..but there is no way on earth that he beats mayweather..(please remember those words and put it on an email to me after they fight with a thorough apology).
Pac owes it to his fans to take this test and whoop pbf ass (if he can) and say 'im legit and the best in the world'.
Put it this way, if the tables were turned and mayweather would not take the test just think what the media/boxing world would make of him.
pacquaio gets destroyed by mayweather? your logic being
Again im fascinated to here how exactly pac gets destroyed by mayweather
- Pacquiao`s a 7weight world champion, mayweather is a 5weight champ
- Pacquiao has 50 wins under his belt, floyd 41
- Pacquiao beat marquez in his own weight class, floyd had to do it at 147
- Pacquiao smashed ODLH inside 8, mayweather drew with him
- Pacquiao annihilated hatton, mayweather had to rely on the ref to cheat to win the fight
- Pacquiao took the cotto fight and beat the hell out of him, floyd ducked cotto for years
Chris you're a good poster and I respect your opinion but I disagree with you on this. Advanced drug testing goes beyond governing bodies. The USADA testing costs 20 thousand dollars for testing these 2 fighters, that's just not practical for the government controlled commissions. It's just like testing is notoriously less rigorous at qualifying events and other tournaments then it is at the actual Olympics. Bigger events should be treated differently. As an athlete especially today, the onus is on you to prove yourself to be clean. If a fighter is willing to foot the bill and agrees to the same tests and penalties, it shouldn't be out of bounds for a fighter. If you believe that Floyd shouldn't be allowed to demand testing and that should be left to the commission then the same should ring true for the penalties of missing weight, which is usually decided by the commission but Pacquiao was able to get Mayweather to agree to a ridiculous $10 mil per pound penalty.
I think the best way for Pacquiao to eliminate any doubts is simply to take the tests if he really wants the fight. I'm sure he does, it's just shady how he balks at this. I would hope he isn't on anything but when you don't agree to random testing (even at the 24 day cutoff mark I don't believe he ever agreed to random blood testing, rather a series of 3 scheduled tests) then it just gives off the wrong impression.
Are you really? its a very simple termQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
Styles make fights.
THIS. Pacquiao destroyed DLH & Hatton because 1. they couldn't deal with his speed and 2. they couldn't match it.. Mayweather however can do both of those, and what's more he'll be FAR harder to hit than DLH and Hatton were. Pac mans aggression worked for him in his recent fights but the more aggressive he is against Floyd the more openings he will leave, and Floyd WILL exploit them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Majesty
Chris, Please remind me again on these so called reasons why he cant take the test after the 30 day period..let me try:
'i dont like needles'. (loads of ink on his skin)
'blood loss weakens me'. (you get beaten up in every fight-its boxing!)
This guy is a joke!
he beats a weight drained over the hill oscar (pbf beat him at his weight and his choice of gloves without stepping into second gear)
he beats a fat, slow exposed, overated hatton. (pbf beat him when he was undefeated 2 years previously)
he beats a destroyed, ruined cotto not at proper welterweight limits (previously beaton by margo cheato who should be banned for life!)
and then theres clottey..which speaks for itself.
If pac does not like to be dictated to by a boxer about changing rules then why did he change the weight limit for the cotto fight? AND refuse to fight mosley at welterweight..pacman is a hypocrite. who loves catchweights.
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Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
Styles make fights.
Yes they do and while shane uses an old school mix up pacquiao is out and out attack
Only time floyds been in with someone that attacking was the night he fought hatton and had to rely on cortez screwing hatton whenever they came together (not that im claiming hatton would of definitely beaten floyd, would of been 50/50 though)
Lets just wait until floyd is manouvering himself around the ring and pac blasts him with an overhand right and follows it through with a straight left sending floyds ass straight to the canvas
Mayweather will win this fight.
Pacquiao has denied any agreement, giving an interview with or even knowing the reporter and says he is completely focused on the elections. He also says he is not aware of any official MP website.
HA HA HA..here we go! hatton would have been 50/50 with pbf if it wasnt for joe cortez! I cant believe this! what a joke.
look on youtube and read your history about the amount of times cotto ducked pbf. you really need to learn your boxing history (and take down those pathetic signatures).
marquez beat pac both times.
by the way, how many times has pacman lost.;)
bottom line..take the dug test and prove your innocence..then take a boxing lesson from pbf..retire, and live with being second best in life.
I've been thinking about this a little and i'm not so sure he is taking anything. The main reason we think he is, is because of his power at 140-147, but that can be explained simply. You could argue that...
His power has looked so spectacular because he's caught certain fighters as they're in mid swing aswell, so it enhances the impact of the punch tenfold. Even against a severely weight-drained De La Hoya, Pac didn't really hurt him. He beat him up for 8 or so rounds, but it was an accumulation of punches that did the job, rather than one punch.
I remember Mayweather not really having the power to trouble Oscar at Light-middle yet, in the 5th round (I think), Mayweather lay on the ropes and countered as Oscar was throwing. He buckled Oscars' legs without even really properly setting himself. It was the action of De La Hoya that increased the power of the punch.
When Pacquiao has hurt and floored Cotto and Hatton, they've both been throwing punches at the time. Same with David Diaz at lightweight. When Pacquiao lands on guys who aren't throwing punches, his power diminishes, like it did vs Clottey (who does have a solid chin).
Furthermore, people go on about his jumps in weight classes, but they forget to mention that he turned pro at 16. Mayweather wasn't much heavier than Pac at 16. Infact he was practically the same weight.
I've studies Sports Nutrition, so i can see (i'm not saying you can't btw) how possible it is for Pacquiao to put on the weight and maintain his power. Jumping from around 110 to 140 over a period of 15 years isn't enough to make me overly suspicious, especially when that person is surrounded by a quality nutrition team, which wasn't really in place before Pacquiao moved to Roach's team. The gains he's made in size are extremely possible.
I'm not saying he isn't juicing, because only he and his camp know, but i'm adding balance to the argument that seems to just consist of 'he's juicing'. I just think he doesn't want to adhere to Mayweather's terms. Boxing is as much as a mental game and he probably feels that this is as big as an issue as the venue, ring size, type of gloves etc...
I don't think he wants to concede any ground, and he's willing to adhere to the Nevada state commissions drug testing policy, so i don't think it's that suspicious.
All the is irrelevant anyway. Mayweather would toy with him in the ring. It wouldn't even be that close. Pacquiao's output would be stifled and Mayweather is too hard a hitter (for pac) and too accurate.
@ IMP...I don't agree with you that Pac is on a level to Timothy Bradley but each to their own. Like you, I think Mayweather beats Pac so I'm not sure what you would want an apology from me over? Boxing fans are famous for picking apart boxers resumes (we are all guilty of it) and we could sit here all day doing it. I just think we need to give credit where credit is due. Most people thought Pac-man would lose to De La Hoya as he was the bigger man. A lot of people thought Hatton would be too big for him at LWW. Cotto would surely be too big for him but again Pac beats him and then people said Clottey who can weigh 160lbs + on fight night would be too big for him. Once he beats all these people and convincingly people then look for excuses as to why he didn't lose. We do it for every boxer out their. People thought Shane would really test Mayweather and when that doesn't happen we need to find an excuse as to why. Maybe Mayweather was just too good for him! We can look back and say De La Hoya was weight drained against Pac, or Shane was over the hill against Floyd but don't take anything away from either's performance, especially when going into the fight so called boxing experts where calling them the underdog or in Floyd's case, his biggest test yet.
@ amat...I agree. I think any drug testing involved would have to be for the bigger events only as like your have said it just wouldn't be affordable to do it for every fight at every level. I also agree that as an athlete it's up to you to prove yourself clean but hasn't Manny done that. He's never failed a test! Now this could mean that Manny is clean, like the tests prove or he's taking PED's that don't show up in a urine test. I don't have any knowledge of PED's so I don't know what you can take, the amounts you can take, the timescales you take them in without getting caught...etc. I do know that Manny said he would take 3 tests 30 days before the fight and then a test straight after the fight as well as having urine tests. That to me doesn't sound like a guilty man but like I've said my knowledge of PED's is zero so maybe somebody with more knowledge can prove me wrong. I actually think Pac should just take the tests too, but that's only because I'm desperate to see this fight!
Two can play that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
- Floyd has never been beaten, Pac has 3 tines.
- Floyd shut out JMM, Pac had a draw and a close win
- Floyd beat a younger and heavier ODLH, Pac beat a weight drained shell.
- Floyd beat Mosely, Pac ducked Mosely.
- Pac got KO'd cold by Singsurat who got knocked out in riynd 1 by Jorge Arce who got KO'd by Carbajal who lost to Pastrana who got KO'd by jhonny Gonzalez who got Ko'd by Penalosa who lost to eric Morel who lost tp Parra who lost to Caballero who lost to Cordoba who lost to Dunne who lost to Munroe who lost to Andy Morris who lost to john simpson who lost to stephen foster who lost toalex arthur who lost to nicky cook who lost to luevano who lost to honorio who lost to Gamaliel diaz who lost to humberto soto who lost to kevin kelley who lost to vicente escobedo who lost to Michael Katsidis who lost to Joel casamayor who lost to Diego Corrales who was beaten convincingly by Floyd.....
Since that's never happened to Floyd I'm less inclined to see that happening. And being that I have seen Pacquiao torn up by a counter punchign Marquez and being a sucker for a straight right whenever Clottey threw it :-\ I'd say you have a better chance of seeing Mayweather pot shotting Pacquiao a lot while being in front of him. Pacquiao will get hit a lot more then Mosley was hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by MajestyAre you really? its a very simple termQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
Styles make fights.
Yes they do and while shane uses an old school mix up pacquiao is out and out attack
Only time floyds been in with someone that attacking was the night he fought hatton and had to rely on cortez screwing hatton whenever they came together (not that im claiming hatton would of definitely beaten floyd, would of been 50/50 though)
Lets just wait until floyd is manouvering himself around the ring and pac blasts him with an overhand right and follows it through with a straight left sending floyds ass straight to the canvas
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Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by MajestyAre you really? its a very simple termQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
Styles make fights.
Yes they do and while shane uses an old school mix up pacquiao is out and out attack
Only time floyds been in with someone that attacking was the night he fought hatton and had to rely on cortez screwing hatton whenever they came together (not that im claiming hatton would of definitely beaten floyd, would of been 50/50 though)
Lets just wait until floyd is manouvering himself around the ring and pac blasts him with an overhand right and follows it through with a straight left sending floyds ass straight to the canvas
since when does Pacquiao (a southpaw) have an overhand right?!? :-X a right hook yes, but overhand right not at all, the punches aren't similar at all lol
i can see Hammer started mixing his meds with alcohol again :)
Turned out to be a fake article.
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Originally Posted by imp
You did not just put "prove your innocence" - WOW, i hope you are never in a jury pool EVER!!!
Is this good or bad ? im not really up to date on steroids or ETC.
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Originally Posted by eagleTwo can play that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
- Floyd has never been beaten, Pac has 3 tines.
- Floyd shut out JMM, Pac had a draw and a close win
- Floyd beat a younger and heavier ODLH, Pac beat a weight drained shell.
- Floyd beat Mosely, Pac ducked Mosely.
- Pac got KO'd cold by Singsurat who got knocked out in riynd 1 by Jorge Arce who got KO'd by Carbajal who lost to Pastrana who got KO'd by jhonny Gonzalez who got Ko'd by Penalosa who lost to eric Morel who lost tp Parra who lost to Caballero who lost to Cordoba who lost to Dunne who lost to Munroe who lost to Andy Morris who lost to john simpson who lost to stephen foster who lost toalex arthur who lost to nicky cook who lost to luevano who lost to honorio who lost to Gamaliel diaz who lost to humberto soto who lost to kevin kelley who lost to vicente escobedo who lost to Michael Katsidis who lost to Joel casamayor who lost to Diego Corrales who was beaten convincingly by Floyd.....
Point made I think.
So from that I gathered that Nicky Cook would beat Pacman! Why are we all waiting for Floyd when we have Nicky Cook looking to earn some extra cash!
I have said before I never heard any allegations about Pac doing steroids until Money brought it up. Having said that, if I were Pac and was doing them, for 30-40 million I'd lay off them for this fight even if it meant getting my ass kicked.
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At this point, Pac just needs to agree otherwise we won't see this fight... Simple.. And hopefully he pounds Mayweathers ass into dust for all this nonsense
Taking the tests WOULD BENEFIT PAC. Imagine the statement "I showed the world I am clean, all my victories have been legit and...I gave Floyd his first defeat and got my biggest payday ever, who's next?" Pac has more to gain than to lose by taking this olympic style blood/urine test.
I've just watched from a Philippine TV channel where Pacquaio was interviewed about his potential bout with Mayweather and he categorically answered that he will fight Mayweather as long as the blood testing is not done on the day of the fight.
I got a little excited with that interview. how I wish you could also see that interview. It was on GMA news.:cool:
Fuck I hope your right Bruce!! That would have got me pretty excited as well, just with all these other statements coming out, it would have sounded to good to be true.... Maybe with Arum flying over to the Philippines they will discuss that.. Floyd would HAVE to agree to no blood testing the day of the fight... That is very very reasonable... But who knows...Quote:
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Originally Posted by Chino
And a clean fighter would do that.
Now tell me, what would happen if Pac the great tested positive for banned substances?
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Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by Chino
And a clean fighter would do that.
Now tell me, what would happen if Pac the great tested positive for banned substances?
If that happened you would have to feel so bad for Cotto. Getting beaten by two cheats, the only two losses on his record.
Well, alot of people do hate mayweather. But alot of us are wondering...why Floyds concern for "cleaning up the sport" didn't come up until the public started screaming for him to fight Pacman. He never did this with any other fight. And no other boxer out there (that i've found) has voiced concerns about feeling week after having blood drawn (Manny's video interview after Morales fight 2005). I agree that this would clean up the sport and am all for it. But to think that Floyd did this "for boxing"...please. He did this because he has a VERY REAL CONCERN about Pacmans speed and power. as he shouldQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
Manny and Floyd can not maintain the status quo of the previous negotiation if they want the megafight to happen. One of them has to give in. I don't think that Mayweather will give in so if Manny would just agree to even a 14 day cut-off, that should be good enough. Expecting Pacquiao to allow the blood test all the way to fight date would be too much of a stretch especially if it is not even a requirement of that state's boxing commission.
Even at a 14 day cut off period, Manny would still be the underdog.
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Originally Posted by HornfingerQuote:
Originally Posted by Chino
And a clean fighter would do that.
Now tell me, what would happen if Pac the great tested positive for banned substances?
If that happened you would have to feel so bad for Cotto. Getting beaten by two cheats, the only two losses on his record.
And his past victories and accomplishments would be questioned, just like Margarito.
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Expecting Pacquiao to allow the blood test all the way to fight date would be too much of a stretch especially if it is not even a requirement of that state's boxing commission
It's not a requirement for the state boxing comission to ask Floyd for $10,000,000 per extra pound, yet, Floyd is totally fine with it among other demands Pac came up with. Floyd just asked for one which is fair for EVERYBODY but Pac has come up with all kind of contradicting silly excuses to not take the test. Mosley took the tests and so did Floyd, and nobody got a heart attack or nightmares.