For the Mayweather - Mosley PPV..
According to boxingnews24.com, it did between 1.1 and 1.2 million buys, quite short of the initial estimation by Schaefer of 3 million buys (Later bumped up to 4 million).
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For the Mayweather - Mosley PPV..
According to boxingnews24.com, it did between 1.1 and 1.2 million buys, quite short of the initial estimation by Schaefer of 3 million buys (Later bumped up to 4 million).
Well not surprising if true, I think a lot of people were building this up to more than it actually was Mayweather was a 1/4 fav fighting a guy who has had one great performance in maybe 4 years. Not bad numbers in truth but it wasn't a huge huge fight like everyone was saying imo.
I was way more pumped for the Pac/Cotto fight.
Dissapointing? how many fights have sold over a million PPV in the history of PPV?
Well I think he means in light of what Golden Boy were thinking it would do. In reality great figures and shows that big fights in boxing still rules the roost.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
700 000 for the Clottey-Pacquiao http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/03...00000-ppv-buys
1.6 million Pacquiao-Cotto: Manny Pacquiao, PPV TV Hercules: 1.6 million buys and counting
I would say that a Mayweather-Pacquiao could make 2 to 2.5 possibly.
i dont think anything over a million is disappointing, i think were expecting to much from mayweather.........now mayweather and pacman should do some extraordinary number together
Yeah, in reality any PPV over 1 millions buys is highly successful. Its just Schaefer rained on his own parade by saying that bullcrap about 4 million buys. Now what in reality is successful appears to be a failure. Forget what you heard. Boxing is doing well.
To be fair it is a bit disappointing even if you didn't pay a bit of attention to Schaeffer's four million bullshit. Mosley's never been a huge star but it seemed like there was a ton of buzz for this one.
The silver lining is that assuming they can ever get over the drug test BS this makes a May-Pac fight more likely. If Mayweather had picked up a huge number, 2 million or so (which seemed very possible to me) then no way he would have accepted 50/50.
Even if this fight did do 2 million PPV buys, Mayweather imo would still fight Pac considering that he did do 2.4 with Oscar and was still willing to accept 50/50 for the money split before the fight was off.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Great point Ouma these numbers could actually be positive in Pac.Floyd talks as Floyd knowing 50/50 will still be by far his biggest pay day and he cant really demand much more after these figures and he will probably no this.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
Yeah I agree - anything over 1 million buys is excellent. When is the last time a heavyweight fight did over a million buys?? Other than an all Klitshcko battle royal vs. each other I can't think of a single heavyweight fight that would get anywhere near a million at this moment.
I'm guessing Pacman-Mayweather will break the all-time PPV record. I say 2.5mil+ If Floyd and Manny can pretty much do a million buys just about everytime out now I think it has a chance.
Precisely ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Well I think he means in light of what Golden Boy were thinking it would do. In reality great figures and shows that big fights in boxing still rules the roost.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
Schaffer really jumped the gun on that one! I actually thought this fight would be way up there in buys. That number, if official, really surprises me. Everyone at work and clients I interacted with all talked about the fight the Friday before it happened. When Schaffer mentioned it might do 4 million buys I seriously thought, "there goes Golden Boy and their BS again." Oscar also said, "I fought these two guys and I know one thing, there is definitely going to be a knockout."
One thing that I learned from all of these ....... never trust Schaefer or Arum with regards to estimating PPV buys. They are always way off the mark. I think HBO should issue a gag order on those two after the fights.
Those are sweet numbers considering the fight was more fixed than a spade cat.
Mate that is a really poor show. These are the best two American fighters in the world, fighting on the best American network and a Filipino and a Peurto Rican did a bigger PPV buy IN AMERICA than they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
It really puts into stark contrast how unpopular a draw Shane Mosley was, and that Floyd needs a dancing partner to make big money.
To put it into perspective Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 took 1.5 million Buys.
:-X
Mayweather isnt a big a draw as he thinks. He is a slick/highly skilled boxer with NO killer instinct which translates to a wide (boring) unanimous decision. Purists can enjoy a good boxing clinic but most people and especially casual fans want knockouts. Personally I would rather watch Pacquaio fight than Mayweather and I am an American.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate that is a really poor show. These are the best two American fighters in the world, fighting on the best American network and a Filipino and a Peurto Rican did a bigger PPV buy IN AMERICA than they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
It really puts into stark contrast how unpopular a draw Shane Mosley was, and that Floyd needs a dancing partner to make big money.
To put it into perspective Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 took 1.5 million Buys.
:-X
he must be a big enough draw to make a million buy minimum ppv despite whoever he's facing especially when so many try to play down his wins over (as they put it) an old lightweight, and an old man (period), so if his opposition is as bad as most say, these people must be buying the PPV just to see FloydQuote:
Originally Posted by HunterMayweather isnt a big a draw as he thinks. He is a slick/highly skilled boxer with NO killer instinct which translates to a wide (boring) unanimous decision. Purists can enjoy a good boxing clinic but most people and especially casual fans want knockouts. Personally I would rather watch Pacquaio fight than Mayweather and I am an American.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate that is a really poor show. These are the best two American fighters in the world, fighting on the best American network and a Filipino and a Peurto Rican did a bigger PPV buy IN AMERICA than they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
It really puts into stark contrast how unpopular a draw Shane Mosley was, and that Floyd needs a dancing partner to make big money.
To put it into perspective Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 took 1.5 million Buys.
:-X
Yup, and that must have come as something on an embarrassment for 'Money' May to realise that a lot of American agrees with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterMayweather isnt a big a draw as he thinks. He is a slick/highly skilled boxer with NO killer instinct which translates to a wide (boring) unanimous decision. Purists can enjoy a good boxing clinic but most people and especially casual fans want knockouts. Personally I would rather watch Pacquaio fight than Mayweather and I am an American.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate that is a really poor show. These are the best two American fighters in the world, fighting on the best American network and a Filipino and a Peurto Rican did a bigger PPV buy IN AMERICA than they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
It really puts into stark contrast how unpopular a draw Shane Mosley was, and that Floyd needs a dancing partner to make big money.
To put it into perspective Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 took 1.5 million Buys.
:-X
I imagine Floyd was expecting at least 2.5 million, now you could argue that even in America he's not the biggest HBO draw.
Ok, we still haven't actually had any official figures because HBO haven't had all the results in yet. It's currently at 1.2m, but those are incomplete figures, HBO expect it to do 1.4m once all the figures are in.
Anyway, people are missing the key factor here which is demographics. Most boxing fans for some reason will always try to find a way to avoid paying (at least the full price) for a fight and will resort to streams. So what all the fighters then have to rely on is that they can bring in enough casual fans. Most of these come from their particular demographic. So Oscar was always able to rely on the Mexican-American community, Trinidad had the Puerto Ricans and Manny has the Pinoy community (I'd argue the status his fights carry in this community even outdo Oscar's among Latinos). Mayweather has a big following among the black community, as well as other young, urban demographics. However, the problem is that the small, non-boxing fanbase that Mosley has is within the same demographic. This is why I always thought it was fanciful that this would do so well. It also demonstrates that a PBF-Pac matchup will do much better as it will bring in two differing fanbases as well as the casual fans who would be interested to just see this one fight.
I don't think you can say either is definitively a bigger star, which is why they should agree on a 50-50 split.
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Originally Posted by JazMerkin
very good point here
a hell of a lot of the US boxing audience is of south american or otherwise, 2 guys who basically appeal to the same market with one of which being the clear odds on favourite equates to a lower audience than expected
So what demographic were buying the Pacquaio Cotto fight? I doubt many Filipino's and Puerto Ricans can afford PPV?Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
very good point here
a hell of a lot of the US boxing audience is of south american or otherwise, 2 guys who basically appeal to the same market with one of which being the clear odds on favourite equates to a lower audience than expected
Yes those in the Phillipines can't afford it, but Filipino-Americans are one of the wealthiest ethnic groups, whilst Puerto Rico is a far wealthier country than you probably realize. PPV buys in Puerto Rico, in addition to the Puerto Ricans in the mainland US, would contribute well, as they did when Trinidad was a fighter. I did an essay on PPV sales in boxing & wrestling in my Master's course, so I discovered just how important ethnic demographics are to PPV buys. Arum has been a master at managing it with Oscar with Mexicans, Pacquiao with Filipinos & Cotto/Juanma with Puerto Ricans. It's one of the major criticisms of him that he wouldn't generally bother trying to make stars of black fighters, because he believed there to be no major fanbase there, something that has obviously been proven wrong. It's also why he was so committed to trying to turn Pavlik into a huge boxing star - the biggest consumer demographic available.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboSo what demographic were buying the Pacquaio Cotto fight? I doubt many Filipino's and Puerto Ricans can afford PPV?Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
very good point here
a hell of a lot of the US boxing audience is of south american or otherwise, 2 guys who basically appeal to the same market with one of which being the clear odds on favourite equates to a lower audience than expected
Those are excellent numbers. Mosley has never been a star. They highlight just how big Floyd is.
They only look poor if you think 3-4 million was ever serious. Which is wasn't.
From what I gather those numbers by the UFC may be fudge up a little bit since they are not a publicly traded company like Time Warner Cable which owns HBO. So HBO has to release their numbers accurately unless they want an investigation. The UFC on the other hand just states whatever figures they have coming from White's mouth. These UFC numbers from my knowledge are not confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate that is a really poor show. These are the best two American fighters in the world, fighting on the best American network and a Filipino and a Peurto Rican did a bigger PPV buy IN AMERICA than they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
It really puts into stark contrast how unpopular a draw Shane Mosley was, and that Floyd needs a dancing partner to make big money.
To put it into perspective Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 took 1.5 million Buys.
:-X
Big difference.
pacquiao-Cotto did 1.24-1.25 that number is a farce.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Not to mention its not like were comparing random PPV events from both sports. This is not putting anything in perspective. UFC 100 was built and planned to be historical. UFC 100 was the most stacked card in UFC history and the PPV buys is the most successful in MMA history. So were comparing the stand alone best card from MMA to one good matchup in boxing in which one guy is not a draw. Do we want to compare Mayweather/De la Hoya to a random UFC event? Even the historical UFC 100 got doubled by boxing's best. Bottom line is any PPV event that does 1 million+ buys is very successful. Its not even a good hate job to say otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogFrom what I gather those numbers by the UFC may be fudge up a little bit since they are not a publicly traded company like Time Warner Cable which owns HBO. So HBO has to release their numbers accurately unless they want an investigation. The UFC on the other hand just states whatever figures they have coming from White's mouth. These UFC numbers from my knowledge are not confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate that is a really poor show. These are the best two American fighters in the world, fighting on the best American network and a Filipino and a Peurto Rican did a bigger PPV buy IN AMERICA than they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
It really puts into stark contrast how unpopular a draw Shane Mosley was, and that Floyd needs a dancing partner to make big money.
To put it into perspective Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 took 1.5 million Buys.
:-X
Big difference.
Firstly the PAcman Cotto fight did 1.25 milll not 1.6 and secondly these are not confirmed numbers so we are all jumping the gun a little bit here.