Last night on HBO Larry Merchant revealed that Kelly Pavlik has passed on the rematch and will never fight at 160 lbs again.
This makes the Super Middle division even more dynamic.
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Last night on HBO Larry Merchant revealed that Kelly Pavlik has passed on the rematch and will never fight at 160 lbs again.
This makes the Super Middle division even more dynamic.
Bute v Pavlik makes sense both HBO only decent fight out there for Bute, shame Pavlik will be destroyed.
Bute would tap that ass
Hopkins ruined Kelly Pavlik, Martinez ended his career.
Bute might actually kill him.
I don't necessarily think Hopkins ruined him though, or that his career is over. He's the same fighter he always was, he's just fighting better opposition who can exploit his weaknesses. He'll always be an exciting power puncher who is limited defensively and plodding. His lifestyle outside of the ring might have contributed to his inability to overcome elite opposition though.
exactly, he's the american version of Ricky Hatton, at least in terms of alcoholQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Pavlik's Decision Not Official, Martinez Rematch Still There - Boxing News
During the live HBO broadcast of Paul Williams-Kermit Cintron on Saturday night, HBO commentator Larry Merchant informed the live audience that Kelly Pavlik has waived his right to a rematch with WBO/WBC middleweight champion Sergio Martinez. From what I was told, by sources close to both sides, Pavlik has NOT "officially" waived his right to rematch and still has until May 17 to make up his mind. While Pavlik might be heading in the direction of moving up to super middleweight, nothing has been put in writing and the option to exercise the rematch with Martinez is still an possibility.
Martinez's agent Sampson Lewkowicz confirmed the information to BoxingScene.com.
"I know the professional nature of [Pavlik's manager] Cameron Dunkin and [Pavlik's promoter] Top Rank and if any the decision is made by Pavlik, it will be made in writing and not through a third-party. I don't believe anything I hear until they make their decision in writing. To me what Merchant said is hearsay and in our business it doesn't work that way," Lewkowicz told BoxingScene.com.
Bute-Pavlik would make sense in the circumstances: It would give Pavlik to give a shot for a bell, saying that he lost the fight because he was partially weight drained, it would give Bute even more publicity in the US and that's the fight HBO is trying to do for a little time now. I think Bute will smack and KO him under 6 though.
Nice guy Pavlik but the blueprints out on him and his 15 minutes is up.I just dont see Martinez needing him or the fight going any different.Def Pavlik would be a good propel fight for Bute as far as exposure.Think Bute would make a mess of him inside if distance.
I'm def not a Pavlik fan but if Librado Andrade can KO Bute, then so can Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owned by Youngblood
I don't think Pavlik would be a lamb led to the slaughter against Bute.
He would have a good chance of winning.
Come on Pavlik, stay there for one more fight and take the rematch and go up to SMW on a high. You can beat Martinez, but you should do more homework.
Come on Hulk my man if small Martinez can rough up and outbox imagine what Bute would do, add to that Pavlik I feel at 168 is not the monster he is at 160. Bute tko 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkI'm def not a Pavlik fan but if Librado Andrade can KO Bute, then so can Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owned by Youngblood
I don't think Pavlik would be a lamb led to the slaughter against Bute.
He would have a good chance of winning.
Rough up? He simply cut him and what I like to call run-boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Come on Hulk my man if small Martinez can rough up and outbox imagine what Bute would do, add to that Pavlik I feel at 168 is not the monster he is at 160. Bute tko 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkI'm def not a Pavlik fan but if Librado Andrade can KO Bute, then so can Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owned by Youngblood
I don't think Pavlik would be a lamb led to the slaughter against Bute.
He would have a good chance of winning.
agree completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Come on Hulk my man if small Martinez can rough up and outbox imagine what Bute would do, add to that Pavlik I feel at 168 is not the monster he is at 160. Bute tko 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkI'm def not a Pavlik fan but if Librado Andrade can KO Bute, then so can Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owned by Youngblood
I don't think Pavlik would be a lamb led to the slaughter against Bute.
He would have a good chance of winning.
pavliks qualitys at middle the made him a world champ was power. He aint gonna get any stronger at 168 and the boys up there will just tear him limb from limb once they get the chance.
Froch, kessler, bute, dirrell, ward, abraham, pascal and possibly diaconu all take pavlik at 168
I agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammeragree completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Come on Hulk my man if small Martinez can rough up and outbox imagine what Bute would do, add to that Pavlik I feel at 168 is not the monster he is at 160. Bute tko 7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
pavliks qualitys at middle the made him a world champ was power. He aint gonna get any stronger at 168 and the boys up there will just tear him limb from limb once they get the chance.
Froch, kessler, bute, dirrell, ward, abraham, pascal and possibly diaconu all take pavlik at 168
Pavlik has shown nothing recently that makes me think he can deal effectively at SMW against a fair bunch of them guys. He should stay at MW and fight Martinez again, if he can improve and show something, then he can move up. Otherwise, I'm really not so sure if he has all that much to offer right now.
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Originally Posted by milesI agree with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammeragree completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
pavliks qualitys at middle the made him a world champ was power. He aint gonna get any stronger at 168 and the boys up there will just tear him limb from limb once they get the chance.
Froch, kessler, bute, dirrell, ward, abraham, pascal and possibly diaconu all take pavlik at 168
Pavlik has shown nothing recently that makes me think he can deal effectively at SMW against a fair bunch of them guys. He should stay at MW and fight Martinez again, if he can improve and show something, then he can move up. Otherwise, I'm really not so sure if he has all that much to offer right now.
Punchers chance?Sure.But that won't get it done vs a bigger,harder hitting Bute if Martinez had him busted up,dejected and answerless at end.Do have to say that Andrade rematch left an exclamation point eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkI'm def not a Pavlik fan but if Librado Andrade can KO Bute, then so can Pavlik.Quote:
Originally Posted by Owned by Youngblood
I don't think Pavlik would be a lamb led to the slaughter against Bute.
He would have a good chance of winning.
I just found this article from trainer Jack Loew.
Kelly Pavlik’s trainer Jack Loew said his fighter has not yet made a decision about his future, contrary to a report by HBO’s Larry Merchant.
Merchant reported Saturday night that Pavlik would bypass a rematch with Sergio Martinez and move up to super middleweight.
“I don’t know where Larry Merchant got that, I really don’t,” Loew said by phone Sunday afternoon.
Pavlik will talk with Loew, his father, co-manager Mike Pavlik Sr. and co-manager Cameron Dunkin at 2 p.m. today to discuss their next step.
Pavlik and Dunkin did not return messages seeking comment.
Pavlik (36-2, 32 KOs) lost his middleweight titles by unanimous decision to Martinez on April 17. He has until May 17 to activate the rematch clause.
The rematch must take place at 160 pounds; Pavlik’s rematch against Jermain Taylor in February of 2008 took place at a 164-pound catch weight.
If Pavlik declines the rematch, it will be because of weight. The 6-foot-21/2 Pavlik reportedly weighed 192 pounds in the weeks after the loss to Martinez, which is close to what he weighed before training camp. He struggled to make weight before the bout and weighed as much as 178 the night of the fight. The struggles to make weight may have contributed to Pavlik’s sluggish performance over the final four rounds.
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Originally Posted by The Fightfan
I hate jack loew and kelly pavlik from the very bottom of my soulless heart
I came close to crying the night of the hopkins fight. BHop staring at the media who all claimed he was past it and that pavlik was going to whoop him. Must of lasted a good minute or so
Would of liked to of seen a rematch, there's still some goods fight to be made tho
Oh yeah like what, there r no other good matches other then Martinez pavlik,Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448
R u for real, pavlik is meant to be stepping up to 168 where I think a bute fight would be great and realistic, as for Martinez either cintron, Williams or margarito r all great matchups if u ask meQuote:
Originally Posted by mularvarOh yeah like what, there r no other good matches other then Martinez pavlik,Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448
Yeah well where not asking u r we paddy, I've watched u on here with ur job biscuit nonsense, I don't take anything u say seriously, and I think I speak for everyone on here(douche bag)Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448R u for real, pavlik is meant to be stepping up to 168 where I think a bute fight would be great and realistic, as for Martinez either cintron, Williams or margarito r all great matchups if u ask meQuote:
Originally Posted by mularvarOh yeah like what, there r no other good matches other then Martinez pavlik,Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448
U need to calm down newbie, u won't last long on here they way u are, the mods on here are seriously unforgiving, as for the job biscuit, my computer was hackedQuote:
Originally Posted by mularvarYeah well where not asking u r we paddy, I've watched u on here with ur job biscuit nonsense, I don't take anything u say seriously, and I think I speak for everyone on here(douche bag)Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448R u for real, pavlik is meant to be stepping up to 168 where I think a bute fight would be great and realistic, as for Martinez either cintron, Williams or margarito r all great matchups if u ask meQuote:
Originally Posted by mularvar
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u r insane:LOS:Quote:
Originally Posted by mularvar
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Originally Posted by mularvar
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i think Pavlik has a good go at supermiddle he could do Froch and if he lands big he could have Kessler, but the other guys would be much more competative with him thus resulting in him taking a whooping. ;D
Well you are wrong dick head, Paddy is one of the top posters on here, how wrong one could be. You tit!Quote:
Originally Posted by mularvarYeah well where not asking u r we paddy, I've watched u on here with ur job biscuit nonsense, I don't take anything u say seriously, and I think I speak for everyone on here(douche bag)Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448R u for real, pavlik is meant to be stepping up to 168 where I think a bute fight would be great and realistic, as for Martinez either cintron, Williams or margarito r all great matchups if u ask meQuote:
Originally Posted by mularvar
Well it looks like it is certain now.Rafael reports.
Former middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik's days as a 160-pound fighter are done.
Pavlik, who lost a unanimous decision and his title belts to Sergio Martinez on April 17 in Atlantic City, N.J., declined his contractual option for an immediate rematch on Tuesday and will move up to the 168-pound super middleweight division or the 175-pound lightweight heavyweight division.
Co-manager Cameron Dunkin said that he sent a letter Tuesday to Top Rank, Pavlik's promoter, in which "Kelly waived his option for the rematch."
"My take is that Kelly has been struggling to make weight. He made a comment the other day that he wished he had told us this five fights ago," Dunkin said.
As far back as 2007, before a title eliminator against Edison Miranda, Pavlik (36-2, 32 KOs) was struggling to make weight. He did so again before the fight against Martinez, losing about 13 pounds in the two days before the weigh-in after a rigorous training camp in which he got down to 173 pounds.
The decision to abandon the middleweight division was reached Monday when Pavlik, trainer Jack Loew and father and co-manager Mike Pavlik met together in their hometown of Youngstown, Ohio, with Dunkin on the telephone from Las Vegas.
"We sat down and talked," Loew said. "We don't know where we're going. Kelly was 178 pounds yesterday. It's not 178 pounds of fat. It's 178 pounds of muscle. We'll look at what's the most attractive offer and go from there, 168 or 175. I think we'll be comfortable in either weight class.
"It will be nice to train for the fight instead of battling the weight the last couple of weeks of camp. For this last fight, we hit a wall and it was hard to budge," Loew explained. "It was horrible what we had to do to make the weight, sweating it off. It was really hard to get off. We had to get on the treadmill and then get in the sauna. We had to do that repeatedly."
Dunkin said he would soon speak to Top Rank president Todd duBoef about the plan for Pavlik.
"In my own mind, there are several places we could go," Dunkin said. "I don't think he'll have a problem with 168 but he may go to 175. It's wide open. We want to take the best opportunities. We know what we've seen from Kelly, he doesn't have the same snap he had earlier at 160, before [the weight loss] finally drained him. You want a guy to fight at his best weight."
Pavlik rocketed to stardom when he rallied from a knockdown to knock out Jermain Taylor in the seventh round to win the middleweight championship in September 2007.
After outpointing Taylor in an immediate rematch, which was a non-title bout over the 160-pound division limit, Pavlik made a defense against lightly regarded mandatory challenger Gary Lockett, knocking him out in the third round.
Then Pavlik was routed in a unanimous decision loss to Bernard Hopkins in late 2008 in another non-title bout at 170 pounds.
Pavlik returned to middleweight to make two more defenses, dominant knockouts of lesser opponents Marco Antonio Rubio and Miguel Espino, before losing to Martinez.
Although Pavlik, 28, had trouble making 160 pounds for several fights, Loew said it got really bad after the Taylor rematch in early 2008.
"When we got to weigh 166 for the rematch with Jermain, it started where Kelly had to go from working out two times a day to three times a day to maintain his weight," Loew said. "Then when we got to weigh 170 for Bernard, after that it was four times a day. We were training more for the weight than the fight. We have no excuses.
"We were 110 percent ready for Martinez and we really thought the weight would come down easier," Loew said. "We were battling the weight and it cost us. We kept food in him, but not much. There is no reason to go through that anymore."
Dunkin and Loew said Pavlik would probably return in September or October for a tune-up fight before looking for a major bout.
"Nobody can ever take away that he was middleweight champ of the world," Loew said. "He's still healthy, he still has that drive. But not to work out four or five times a day. That caught up to us. He's got to train like regular fighter -- get up, go running and go to the gym to box. Let's concentrate on fighting again, not losing the weight. He'll enjoy it more. It wasn't good what we had to do."
Loew said one of the fights that interests him is Pavlik facing Chad Dawson, one of the top light heavyweights. Dawson, an interim titleholder, is scheduled to face titlist Jean Pascal on Aug. 14.
"I think Chad Dawson and Kelly Pavlik would be a very interesting fight. Chad is a great kid and fighter," Loew said. "I think that would be a great fight for him and Kelly. Maybe we'll be sitting ringside for Pascal-Dawson."
Loew and Dunkin also mentioned fights with super middleweight titlist Lucian Bute or eventual fights with the super middleweights participating in the Super Six World Boxing Classic.
Dan Rafael is the boxing writer for ESPN.com.