Ufc & Boxing

ok there clearly is a few people on this site who do not like ufc!
but i think that there is a somewhat snobbery from boxing fans to the sport of MMA as if its not a real sport. that boxing is so much more civilised or above UFC. now i just thought ufc fighters were thugs until i watched the way they train & how skilled they are abt a yr ago & ever since i have been hooked.

in boxing many fighters fight no ones for 20 pro fights or even more these ufc guys jump in straight away with credible opponents & ex champions very early even in their first few fights.

just interested in peoples views on this subject?

I like it . On the whole its the larger testing ground for warriors.

I think how they have avoided a fatality is interesting.

Boxing has them, This new version of Ufc for the moment doesnt.

They say because they are allowed to finish it on the spot; then there is less percussive damage as in the standing ten count etc.

The Ufc refs are great and onto them fast and fear nothing.

I hope it doesnt get too much like wrestling with the pre match banter and hype though,boxing has its fair share of it too, I just hope the levels remain the same,we are not fools we dont need to be re-sold anything.

I have to say the ufc has definately grown on me, u definately have to respect those guys as athletes. Boxing will always be number 1 in my eyes tho

I will just say that people who are considered good punchers in MMA usually don't even have a remedial understanding of boxing, maybe that helps them in MMA but just imagine if 1 of those guys actually turned over on a hook instead of just trying to throw those big George Foreman caveman clubbing style hooks....I mean sure that style worked for Big George but that dude was a beast and also as a boxer he knew how to throw combinations.

Look at Leonard Garcia's last fight....sure Leonard's my boy and all but honestly how can either Leonard or his opponent not know what's coming when they were standing toe to toe it was simple left, right, left, right, left, right....BOB AND WEAVE DAMNIT!!!!

I can respect some fighters but in my honest opinion a good solid boxer would wreck an MMA dude any day of the week. Look at Ray Mercer, sure he's been KO'd by kicks before but he destroyed the former UFC heavyweight Champ in like 10 seconds

UFC's gay, plain and simple. I don't give a shit about how much I'd respect the "ground game" if I actually studied the "art" or how hard these guys train. Alot of the guys I've seen look like boxers at their walking around weight. How can you be training hard when you've got a gut? I usually don't agree with Hopkins but he hit the nail right on the head when he said two sweaty men rolling around on the floor in panties is gay porn. I think that UFC fans look down at boxing fans just as much. Now every dickhead and his dog is the world's greatest streetfighter because he watches a bit of UFC and knows how to box because its "just one of the many elements an MMA fighter has "mastered". Man these guys are just as bad at throwing a punch as the village drunk and their defense is just as pathetic. I've seen guys get knocked down by jabs thrown while on one foot.

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Originally Posted by jahmez

UFC's gay, plain and simple. I don't give a shit about how much I'd respect the "ground game" if I actually studied the "art" or how hard these guys train. Alot of the guys I've seen look like boxers at their walking around weight. How can you be training hard when you've got a gut? I usually don't agree with Hopkins but he hit the nail right on the head when he said two sweaty men rolling around on the floor in panties is gay porn. I think that UFC fans look down at boxing fans just as much. Now every dickhead and his dog is the world's greatest streetfighter because he watches a bit of UFC and knows how to box because its "just one of the many elements an MMA fighter has "mastered". Man these guys are just as bad at throwing a punch as the village drunk and their defense is just as pathetic. I've seen guys get knocked down by jabs thrown while on one foot.

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Look, don't hold back just cause we are here, ;D

it has really grown on me over the past year, I now have a better understanding of the various styles and moves they have.

The same old argument gets trotted out about them not punching properly and not being able to last with a boxer. Same is said in reverse, tell a boxer to go in with a Ju Jitsu expert and watch him get his ass thrown down and his arms snapped off. of course a boxer will win over in a straight stand up game, that's why he isn't in the UFC.

Lets see how well Toney does , they will give him someone with an ego who wants to punch so he looks good, then they will have to put him in with someone like Lesnar...........now that might be a fun night.

Different strokes I suppose, I will always be a boxing fan first off, but that said I like the fact they don't write you off for one loss and like said previously they test you early.

I do wonder how long they can last though with just one Champ per weight, will they get like boxing and have to have seperate organisations to cope with the growing amount of MMA fighters and demand for more shows.

As for the gay comments :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by jamiebhoy

it has really grown on me over the past year, I now have a better understanding of the various styles and moves they have.

The same old argument gets trotted out about them not punching properly and not being able to last with a boxer. Same is said in reverse, tell a boxer to go in with a Ju Jitsu expert and watch him get his ass thrown down and his arms snapped off. of course a boxer will win over in a straight stand up game, that's why he isn't in the UFC.

Lets see how well Toney does , they will give him someone with an ego who wants to punch so he looks good, then they will have to put him in with someone like Lesnar...........now that might be a fun night.

Different strokes I suppose, I will always be a boxing fan first off, but that said I like the fact they don't write you off for one loss and like said previously they test you early.

I do wonder how long they can last though with just one Champ per weight, will they get like boxing and have to have seperate organisations to cope with the growing amount of MMA fighters and demand for more shows.

As for the gay comments :rolleyes:

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They already do mate. Strikeforce have their own world champs and there are other minor organisations out there too.

The UFC have been pretty aggressive buying up the other organisations, Pride, and now they seem to have control over WEC.

Strikeforce is definitely growing though. They have Fedor in their heavyweight ranks so can lay claim to have the real man at that weight class. Meanwhile Jake Shields completely dominated Dan Henderson to retain his middleweight title last month.

Their world champs aren't as good as their UFC counterparts in the main, although Shields would make a decent opponent for Silva.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by jamiebhoy

it has really grown on me over the past year, I now have a better understanding of the various styles and moves they have.

The same old argument gets trotted out about them not punching properly and not being able to last with a boxer. Same is said in reverse, tell a boxer to go in with a Ju Jitsu expert and watch him get his ass thrown down and his arms snapped off. of course a boxer will win over in a straight stand up game, that's why he isn't in the UFC.

Lets see how well Toney does , they will give him someone with an ego who wants to punch so he looks good, then they will have to put him in with someone like Lesnar...........now that might be a fun night.

Different strokes I suppose, I will always be a boxing fan first off, but that said I like the fact they don't write you off for one loss and like said previously they test you early.

I do wonder how long they can last though with just one Champ per weight, will they get like boxing and have to have seperate organisations to cope with the growing amount of MMA fighters and demand for more shows.

As for the gay comments :rolleyes:

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They already do mate. Strikeforce have their own world champs and there are other minor organisations out there too.

The UFC have been pretty aggressive buying up the other organisations, Pride, and now they seem to have control over WEC.

Strikeforce is definitely growing though. They have Fedor in their heavyweight ranks so can lay claim to have the real man at that weight class. Meanwhile Jake Shields completely dominated Dan Henderson to retain his middleweight title last month.

Their world champs aren't as good as their UFC counterparts in the main, although Shields would make a decent opponent for Silva.

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Excellent point on UFC agressive marketing , the only real other organisation I had really heard of was Pride, now you've just given more options to look out for downloading Bilbo !!

All they need to do is have Fedor whack out Lesnar and they can claim the big title.Then they would probably be on the map more......until UFC buy them out !

...another thing about MMA/UFC is that it's still in the very young stages and it's rapidly evolving into a more well rounded fighting style.

But the punching is just ridiculous and I laugh at them

I do think that UFC has some great fighters and puts on some good cards. Boxing ppvs tend to be one big question mark main event and a bunch of nothing in the televised undercards. UFC sometimes has multiple belts on the line in one night. My only problem with MMA is the odds that some dude beer belly slob has of comin in and winning. Boxing, to the untrained eye, looks more civilized cuz people feel like if they walked in there, they dont have a chance at winning against an experienced fighter. Some guys sit on the couch and watch of UFC fight and really believe they could train for a couple weeks and go in there and hold their own. Someone could train for a couple years and get their head knocked off in a boxing match against amateurs. I'm a boxer who has respect for both genres cuz i just love all fighting. But when I hear people talk about the two, people dislike the odds that some toughman has of catching a guy with a nothing hook (and we all know that most of these mma dudes cant punch worth a shit), and walk away with a W. I dont agree or disagree, but they make a good point. Some people enjoy upsets, others would like more definitive great fighters, rather than have the biggest star and most seen person in mma be the commissioner.

i hope mayorga and toney smash thomas and couture to bits when they meet, just to show whos king

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Originally Posted by jahmez

UFC's gay, plain and simple. I don't give a shit about how much I'd respect the "ground game" if I actually studied the "art" or how hard these guys train. Alot of the guys I've seen look like boxers at their walking around weight. How can you be training hard when you've got a gut? I usually don't agree with Hopkins but he hit the nail right on the head when he said two sweaty men rolling around on the floor in panties is gay porn. I think that UFC fans look down at boxing fans just as much. Now every dickhead and his dog is the world's greatest streetfighter because he watches a bit of UFC and knows how to box because its "just one of the many elements an MMA fighter has "mastered". Man these guys are just as bad at throwing a punch as the village drunk and their defense is just as pathetic. I've seen guys get knocked down by jabs thrown while on one foot.

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I probably dislike UFC/MMA/Cage fighting more than you do, but that is a pretty accurate description.

Never watched it or ever felt the need to watch it. Barely gets any coverage in the UK all barring the odd 2am eurosport showing.

Cant imagine its one of those things that`ll ever grow on me. Everybody i know knows of only football and boxing

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Originally Posted by paddy448

i hope mayorga and toney smash thomas and couture to bits when they meet, just to show whos king

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yeah me to paddy mate

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Originally Posted by paddy448

i hope mayorga and toney smash thomas and couture to bits when they meet, just to show whos king

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Did you see the Mayorga - Thomas press conference? If not, it's definitely worth checking out, straight comedy.

It's becoming more popular with the former chavs turned steroid users round my area now. They've opened up a MMA club full of the twats.

I actually don't mind UFC, but sometimes i shake my head to the skill level when it comes to the stand up game and throwing punches.

I watched Michael 'The C**t Bisping' circle into Dan Henderson's right hand for bout 10 minutes before getting levelled with it. At that point, i decided i could probably become a UFC champion within 12 months...if i didn't mind grappling with half naked sweaty men...which i do. I'm not Fantana.

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Originally Posted by paddy448

i hope mayorga and toney smash thomas and couture to bits when they meet, just to show whos king

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Did you see the Mayorga - Thomas press conference? If not, it's definitely worth checking out, straight comedy.

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Yeah I saw it mate it was hilarious, mayorga is comedy gold, if he's in half decent shape I expect him to smash Thomas up

Dana white alienated a lot of boxing fans with his constant boxing is dead bullshit. The funny thing is it would probably be accepted by boxing fans and have a larger fan base if that twat shut his fucking mouth.

I love both sports. MMA is young and growing and its not going anywhere. People who complain about the men on the ground in shorts must have never wrestled. Same thing. Only a pansy who isn't secure enough in his own manhood would be bothered by that, its part of the game. I grew up boxing and doing martial arts so I've been a fan of both for a long time. I really like MMA because it isn't one dimensional as boxing is. There are so many different things that can happen in a fight.

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Originally Posted by piye

Dana white alienated a lot of boxing fans with his constant boxing is dead bullshit. The funny thing is it would probably be accepted by boxing fans and have a larger fan base if that twat shut his fucking mouth.

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He spends his entire life justifying UFC and slagging off boxing attempting to make this rivalry which just isnt there

Boxing couldnt give 2 shits about UFC/MMA/WWE etc. They are mainly watched by fratboys, students and martial arts fans

I dont mind UFC as a sport, if you wanna go see 2 naked men wrestle eachother in lycra thats your thing and im all for equal rights. But stop with the endless boxing vs martial arts nonsense because it really doesnt exist

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Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer

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Originally Posted by piye

Dana white alienated a lot of boxing fans with his constant boxing is dead bullshit. The funny thing is it would probably be accepted by boxing fans and have a larger fan base if that twat shut his fucking mouth.

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He spends his entire life justifying UFC and slagging off boxing attempting to make this rivalry which just isnt there

Boxing couldnt give 2 shits about UFC/MMA/WWE etc. They are mainly watched by fratboys, students and martial arts fans

I dont mind UFC as a sport, if you wanna go see 2 naked men wrestle eachother in lycra thats your thing and im all for equal rights. But stop with the endless boxing vs martial arts nonsense because it really doesnt exist

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Yep its about as smart as comparing chess to checkers Same ring/board different games. (Boxing is the Chess btw).

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Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer

He spends his entire life justifying UFC and slagging off boxing attempting to make this rivalry which just isnt there

Boxing couldnt give 2 shits about UFC/MMA/WWE etc. They are mainly watched by fratboys, students and martial arts fans

I dont mind UFC as a sport, if you wanna go see 2 naked men wrestle eachother in lycra thats your thing and im all for equal rights. But stop with the endless boxing vs martial arts nonsense because it really doesnt exist

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Boxing guys talk the same shit even more than MMA guys talk about boxing. Just listen to Arum in all his interviews he has some crap to say about MMA Mayweather is the same way. Boxing people act like MMA guys are the only ones talking shit about the other sport but it goes both ways. The world is big enough for both sports to exist so I don't see why there is always a boxing/mma debate.

Honestly I am a boxing fan but also a fight fan. So if im sitting at home on a sunday and bored shitless and there is a UFC PPV on I will buy it. I prefer boxing but if its not on I will watch basically any type of fighting.

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Originally Posted by Caine3078

I love both sports. MMA is young and growing and its not going anywhere. People who complain about the men on the ground in shorts must have never wrestled. Same thing. Only a pansy who isn't secure enough in his own manhood would be bothered by that, its part of the game. I grew up boxing and doing martial arts so I've been a fan of both for a long time. I really like MMA because it isn't one dimensional as boxing is. There are so many different things that can happen in a fight.

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You got me bro. The reason why I'm bothered by watching sweaty men with guts roll around on the floor trying to mount each other is because I'm a pansy and insecure in my own manhood. http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...ons/icon14.gif

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Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer

He spends his entire life justifying UFC and slagging off boxing attempting to make this rivalry which just isnt there

Boxing couldnt give 2 shits about UFC/MMA/WWE etc. They are mainly watched by fratboys, students and martial arts fans

I dont mind UFC as a sport, if you wanna go see 2 naked men wrestle eachother in lycra thats your thing and im all for equal rights. But stop with the endless boxing vs martial arts nonsense because it really doesnt exist

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i think boxing should give 2 shits abt UFC & follow some of what they have done! eg sell out everywhere it goes

just read on another thread here that dana white is trying to get james toney to fight randy couture. come on this is how u run a sport. gonna be loadsa interest in that

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Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer

Never watched it or ever felt the need to watch it. Barely gets any coverage in the UK all barring the odd 2am eurosport showing.

Cant imagine its one of those things that`ll ever grow on me. Everybody i know knows of only football and boxing

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all main events on espn & some older events on on fiver including the ultimate fighter series, not that u would give a fk ha ha

For me I'll watch MMA, but I have no desire to follow it. As a matter of fact I've watched it a few times and not even noticed it was a replay cause I have no idea who the guys are. Boxing is my sport of choice to follow and I make it a point to see all the fights, know who's who and have strong opinions about what's going on. The point about Dana White being a cock to boxing's integrity is a good one, but the man has made some good business decisions in promoting his organization and that aspect I can respect.

I agree Killer.....although I casually follow what happens with a few fighters who dont act like tools.

I kind of wish Boxing had UFC's marketing skills but that's a double edged sword as UFC has attracted a bunch of tools along with decent fans.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu apprentice

I agree Killer.....although I casually follow what happens with a few fighters who dont act like tools.

I kind of wish Boxing had UFC's marketing skills but that's a double edged sword as UFC has attracted a bunch of tools along with decent fans.

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yeah the crowds look like real tossers!

after watching ufc 116 i gotta say that they put on a bloody good fight card, we all know that a big fights nowadays have no decent undercards anymore :mad:

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Originally Posted by Drago

after watching ufc 116 i gotta say that they put on a bloody good fight card, we all know that a big fights nowadays have no decent undercards anymore :mad:

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To be fair mate that card on paper wasnt one of the best, but in most cases they tend to be the cards with the best action.

In regards to the style or the way MMA fighters throw punches, it's slightly unfair to compare due to the distance of the fighters. Ya will tend to see MMA fighters stretching the punches which makes them look amaturish. Boxers cannot kick therefor they can get alot closer to the opponent making the shot look more profesional. If you stand there trying to throw boxing style punches and im trying to just kick you, then invariably i will land more shots due to distance covered with the respective shots.

Albeit George Sotoropoulis did show good boxing in his match using the jab and hooks very effectively as did Chris Lytle who was a former pro boxer with a record of 13-1-1

i llove the ufc, but there is a certain skilset that you require to be the best at boxing, you can be a pussy and compete and even become champ in the ufc, u cant be a pussy and make it in boxing. I respect ufc fighters but try having football players and ex pro wrestlers compete in boxing.....it just wont happen, boxing is much more of a science.

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Originally Posted by Boxer4life

i llove the ufc, but there is a certain skilset that you require to be the best at boxing, you can be a pussy and compete and even become champ in the ufc, u cant be a pussy and make it in boxing. I respect ufc fighters but try having football players and ex pro wrestlers compete in boxing.....it just wont happen, boxing is much more of a science.

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i dont know if i can agree with u that some ufc fighters are pussys? i mean i can think of many shamefull boxers that can be classed as cowards (henry akinwande, vince nardiella come to mind). but the name gives it away 'ultimate fightin'. ufc is giving alot more value for money, i mean £15 for a fkin box office fight is rediculous with no undercard basically.

i always go on abt this but remember benn v collins, bingham vs winky wright, plus naz then flippin over to watch tyson v bruno, michael moorer vs botha, all that for £15 was value for money!