Fres Oquendo robbed again
I've flicked through the fight, but not really watched it myself. However it's being reported across the net that he was robbed again this time against Mormeck.
Got to feel a bit sorry for this journeyman. He clearly beat James Toney, that was a travesty of a decision, I thought Holyfield was very luck to get the nod against him, and everyone thinks he beat Chris Byrd.
He's lost 6 but really it should only be 2 defeats with wins over Byrd, Holyfield, Toney and Mormeck.
That's the difference between gatekeeper and world title challenger and you have to feel sorry for the guy.
He ain't exciting but he gets more raw deals than Glen Johnson it seems.
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The world is always trying to keep a Puerto Rican heavyweight down.
I think Ruiz should come out of retirement to fight Oquendo and this board should make it happen. Oquendo is THE MAN. He was robbed as someone had erroneously told him he was fighting a frenchman. For 7 rounds he kept asking where the Frenchie was and asked why this yellow bearded black man was trying to punch him. By the time he got word who his actual opponent was he was down on the cards.
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I also think he was holding his own and probably beating Ruiz when they fought before that quick ass stoppage. So IMO this guy (Oquendo) could have only one loss against Tua. I still haven't seen the Mormeck fight but he does seem to get shafted in close fights.
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The world is always trying to keep a Puerto Rican heavyweight down.
I think Ruiz should come out of retirement to fight Oquendo and this board should make it happen. Oquendo is THE MAN. He was robbed as someone had erroneously told him he was fighting a frenchman. For 7 rounds he kept asking where the Frenchie was and asked why this yellow bearded black man was trying to punch him. By the time he got word who his actual opponent was he was down on the cards.
Cant argue with that. From what ive read it seems as if oquendo was given the same treatment that mighty john ruiz has been given all his career
Seriously has anybody in the history been given as many rough decision in their career as john ruiz??
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amat
The world is always trying to keep a Puerto Rican heavyweight down.
I think Ruiz should come out of retirement to fight Oquendo and this board should make it happen. Oquendo is THE MAN. He was robbed as someone had erroneously told him he was fighting a frenchman. For 7 rounds he kept asking where the Frenchie was and asked why this yellow bearded black man was trying to punch him. By the time he got word who his actual opponent was he was down on the cards.
Cant argue with that. From what ive read it seems as if oquendo was given the same treatment that mighty john ruiz has been given all his career
Seriously has anybody in the history been given as many rough decision in their career as john ruiz??
Emanuel Augustus
Jesse Burnett
Glen Johnson
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amat
The world is always trying to keep a Puerto Rican heavyweight down.
I think Ruiz should come out of retirement to fight Oquendo and this board should make it happen. Oquendo is THE MAN. He was robbed as someone had erroneously told him he was fighting a frenchman. For 7 rounds he kept asking where the Frenchie was and asked why this yellow bearded black man was trying to punch him. By the time he got word who his actual opponent was he was down on the cards.
Cant argue with that. From what ive read it seems as if oquendo was given the same treatment that mighty john ruiz has been given all his career
Seriously has anybody in the history been given as many rough decision in their career as john ruiz??
Emanuel Augustus
Jesse Burnett
Glen Johnson
glen johnson just sits on his opponents shoulders for 12rounds and trys to hug the life out of them
Ruiz is all out entertainment
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Cant argue with that. From what ive read it seems as if oquendo was given the same treatment that mighty john ruiz has been given all his career
Seriously has anybody in the history been given as many rough decision in their career as john ruiz??
Emanuel Augustus
Jesse Burnett
Glen Johnson
glen johnson just sits on his opponents shoulders for 12rounds and trys to hug the life out of them
Ruiz is all out entertainment
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Emanuel Augustus
Jesse Burnett
Glen Johnson
glen johnson just sits on his opponents shoulders for 12rounds and trys to hug the life out of them
Ruiz is all out entertainment
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Ruiz has been involved in some lame ass fights over the years i grant you that but if you actually study those fights on every occasion he is the aggressor and its the other guy making the fight dull
The 3holyfield fights being prime examples for this. Who landed the heavier punches throughout the feud, who threw the more punches, who`s output was far greater than the others??
Theres many enhancement storys you here about john ruiz but the 3 reasons die hard heavyweight boxing fans take to him are because...
The endless screwy decisions he has received over the years
The bigger name fighters not on his CV (Tyson and lewis both at one stage or another ducked ruiz)
The heart of a warrior and a chin made out of granite. His never say die attitude is why john is beloved
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glen johnson just sits on his opponents shoulders for 12rounds and trys to hug the life out of them
Ruiz is all out entertainment
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thats the last time i try to use tongue in cheek on here ;D;D;D
I just don't know when your joking though, because you do have some pretty bizarre opinions.
But forgetting that you should check out Jesse Burnett, i believe the Ring Magazine thought he was one of the most, unluckiest fighters ever regarding losing decision's.
I saw his fight vs John Conteh and he was for certain robbed in that one, he scored 2 knockdowns and comfortably won.
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thats the last time i try to use tongue in cheek on here ;D;D;D
I just don't know when your joking though, because you do have some pretty bizarre opinions.
But forgetting that you should check out Jesse Burnett, i believe the Ring Magazine thought he was one of the most, unluckiest fighters ever regarding losing decision's.
I saw his fight vs John Conteh and he was for certain robbed in that one, he scored 2 knockdowns and comfortably won.
Gonna see if i can dig up some old burnett footage. Was the conteh fight in liverpool? if it was that explains a hell of a lot
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poor fres, what a man gotta do ah
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thats the last time i try to use tongue in cheek on here ;D;D;D
I just don't know when your joking though, because you do have some pretty bizarre opinions.
But forgetting that you should check out Jesse Burnett, i believe the Ring Magazine thought he was one of the most, unluckiest fighters ever regarding losing decision's.
I saw his fight vs John Conteh and he was for certain robbed in that one, he scored 2 knockdowns and comfortably won.
Gonna see if i can dig up some old burnett footage. Was the conteh fight in liverpool? if it was that explains a hell of a lot
Nah it was in London but it was for certain a gift, i really like John Conteh. But there's no way i could give it too John Conteh, they probably gave it too him because of his upcoming fight vs Matthew Saad Muhammad.
John Conteh seemed totally shot in the Jesse Burnett fight, he had no legs. But he found some form in the 1st Matthew Saad Muhammad fight. But he still wasn't in his prime, John Conteh had a very short peak.
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I just don't know when your joking though, because you do have some pretty bizarre opinions.
But forgetting that you should check out Jesse Burnett, i believe the Ring Magazine thought he was one of the most, unluckiest fighters ever regarding losing decision's.
I saw his fight vs John Conteh and he was for certain robbed in that one, he scored 2 knockdowns and comfortably won.
Gonna see if i can dig up some old burnett footage. Was the conteh fight in liverpool? if it was that explains a hell of a lot
Nah it was in London but it was for certain a gift, i really like John Conteh. But there's no way i could give it too John Conteh, they probably gave it too him because of his upcoming fight vs Matthew Saad Muhammad.
John Conteh seemed totally shot in the Jesse Burnett fight, he had no legs. But he found some form in the 1st Matthew Saad Muhammad fight. But he still wasn't in his prime, John Conteh had a very short peak.
bit early for me the whole conteh era but watching back on his old fights he never won me over and seemed to be the kind of fighter devoid of getting out of the way of a punch
To be fair though mate this burnett fella your speaking off has a record of 23-18 or something like that. Im pretty sure he hasnt been the benefactor of 18 robberys ;D;D;D
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Gonna see if i can dig up some old burnett footage. Was the conteh fight in liverpool? if it was that explains a hell of a lot
Nah it was in London but it was for certain a gift, i really like John Conteh. But there's no way i could give it too John Conteh, they probably gave it too him because of his upcoming fight vs Matthew Saad Muhammad.
John Conteh seemed totally shot in the Jesse Burnett fight, he had no legs. But he found some form in the 1st Matthew Saad Muhammad fight. But he still wasn't in his prime, John Conteh had a very short peak.
bit early for me the whole conteh era but watching back on his old fights he never won me over and seemed to be the kind of fighter devoid of getting out of the way of a punch
To be fair though mate this burnett fella your speaking off has a record of 23-18 or something like that. Im pretty sure he hasnt been the benefactor of 18 robberys ;D;D;D
Bit early for me aswell mate im only 20 LOL, its just i've seen quite a few of his fights online. As for Jesse Burnett i heard he should've had atleast 10 of the decisions go his way.
And considering he was in the strongest Light Heavyweight era, of all time that doesn't seem too bad at all.
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Quite frankly I had it a draw for Mormeck vs Oquendo (I saw it live in France). I know Mormeck a little bit, and clearly he wanted to take a good opponent in order to see if he had the level to compete.
It's not really a robbery in my point of view...while against Hollyfield, Byrd and Toney yes definitely it was robberies.
but to tell you the truth at the end of the fight I thought that Mormeck punch rate was really low compared to Oquendo although they seemed more power full and precise...so it depends on how you wanna score the fight.
my 2 cents
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i actually had Holyfield barely beating Oquendo
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i actually had Holyfield barely beating Oquendo
Yeh have to agree.Had him up by a few If I remember.Byrd fight...robbery.Holyfield ...close fight.On a side note what he did to heavily hyped Etienne was just down right embarrasing.Exposure 101.Think his style,cleverness gets overlooked in spots as far as heavyweights.
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He beat Holyfield by a point on my card - NOt a robbery
He beat Toney also by a point or 2 on my card - Not a robbery
Against Mormeck - didnt see the fight yet
but if the point of this thread is that Oquendo has been unlucky in decisions than 100% agreed
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He beat Holyfield by a point on my card - NOt a robbery
He beat Toney also by a point or 2 on my card - Not a robbery
Against Mormeck - didnt see the fight yet
but if the point of this thread is that Oquendo has been unlucky in decisions than 100% agreed
Yeah that's pretty much what I meant.
I'm fairly sure in every case, against Byrd, Holyfield, Toney etc had the performances been excactly reversed, the champs would still have got the decisions.
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He beat Holyfield by a point on my card - NOt a robbery
He beat Toney also by a point or 2 on my card - Not a robbery
Against Mormeck - didnt see the fight yet
but if the point of this thread is that Oquendo has been unlucky in decisions than 100% agreed
Yeah that's pretty much what I meant.
I'm fairly sure in every case, against Byrd, Holyfield, Toney etc had the performances been excactly reversed, the champs would still have got the decisions.
hmm I dunno, many where really hoping to see Toney and Holy as champs agian so they got the wins to prolong there Hwy career. As for Byrd , Oquendo would of got it if champ - fact
