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So who are your top 5 active fighters not necessarily in any order, but state what you make your decision on.
1. Jhonny Gonzalez
2. Glen Johnson
3. Mike Katsidis <- New for me
4. Hozumi Hasegawa
5. Timothy Bradley
I can say for all of these guys they've always given great efforts, and are almost never in boring fights. I don't necessarily think that these guys are even the best in their weight classes, but I never regret watching their fights
I can't really pick an order but for me
1. Manny Pacquaio
2. Carl Froch
3. Amir Khan
4. Floyd Mayweather
5. Audley Harrison
1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Yuri Foreman
4. Amir Khan
5. Chad Dawson
On the horizon:
Timothy Bradley, Marcos Maidana, Victor Ortiz, Lucian Bute, Devon Alexander, Michael Katsidis, Paul Williams, Andre Ward, David Haye, Andre Dirrell, Andrew Berto, Andre Ward, Carl Froch
Oh top 5 most hated fighters needs to be done as well.
This is mostly in order.
1. Nonito Donaire
2. Lucian Bute
3. Matthew Hatton - The two above I hate for political reasons, i.e The Ring and ICB like them, Matthew Hatton is the only guy I personally can't stand. Everything about him annoys me.
4. David Haye - although some tiny small part of me is warming to his charismatic, manly charms. I hate it.
5. Jim Watt, I know he's no longer fighting but fuck me he's annoying.
1.Tim Bradley
2.Fernando Montiel
3.Victor Ortiz
4.Juanma Lopez
5.Floyd Mayweather
in no specific order, but yea these guys are all talented and almost all of them get flack for one reason or the other lol
Foreman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by doublehook2
Yeah he's got a big test in Cotto coming up. But as of now, he's an undefeated title holder. There are bigger punchers out there, but his footwork and ring generalship put him near the top at this point. He's hard to hit and a tough guy to win rounds against. Just like Mayweather, Pacquiao, and Khan. I rate him ahead of Khan because he hasn't been knocked stopped like Khan has. Dawson is in my top 5 because he's undefeated and has good names on his resume like Adamek, Glen Johnson, and Tarver. But I don't think Dawson has been as impressive as the top 4 on my list have been recently. Dawson is taking on Jean Pascal in August, though, so that'll be a good test for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepForeman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by doublehook2
1. Bernard Hopkins ( He should consider retirement now though)
2. Timothy Bradley
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Chad Dawson
Other fighters that i'm not a huge fan of but i like them and feel they deserve a mention: Pacquiao, Mayweather, Williams, Katsidis, Khan, Klitschko Brothers, Mosley, Juanma Lopez, etc.
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Kelly Pavlik (Pre-Bernard Hopkins)
Stop right there Killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepForeman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by doublehook2
My boy Cotto is not and i repeat is not getting schooled by Foreman.
Cotto is gonna cut off that ring, control the fight with his jab and beat him up. Cotto has declined mentally as a fighter since the Margarito loss but stylistically Foreman hasn't got the tools to beat Cotto. He can't beat Cotto just because he has the size advantage.
Foreman just doesn't bring to the table what Margarito and Pacquiao did which for one was a high pace and constant pressure and from the other a high pace as well but used his speed and footwork to break Cotto down.
Foreman to me is just a bigger version of Michael Jennings with abit more skill.
Come on bro, give Foreman more credit than that. He's a great pure boxer, the Jennings comparison is hardly fair. Foreman knows how to use his height and reach, I don't think he will sit down on his shots like he did against Santos, but he's got the reach, speed and footwork to box circles around Cotto, I'd put a sigi bet on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticStop right there Killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepForeman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by doublehook2
My boy Cotto is not and i repeat is not getting schooled by Foreman.
Cotto is gonna cut off that ring, control the fight with his jab and beat him up. Cotto has declined mentally as a fighter since the Margarito loss but stylistically Foreman hasn't got the tools to beat Cotto. He can't beat Cotto just because he has the size advantage.
Foreman just doesn't bring to the table what Margarito and Pacquiao did which for one was a high pace and constant pressure and from the other a high pace as well but used his speed and footwork to break Cotto down.
Foreman to me is just a bigger version of Michael Jennings with abit more skill.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
1. Juan Manuel Marquez
I believe he beat Pacquiao. Twice.
2. Juan Manuel Lopez
Young. Fast. And named after my number one guy.
3. Devon Alexander
I was impressed with that Urango dismantling. Loved it.
4. Arthur Abraham
I'm cheering for him in the tourny and I liked what he said after the Dirrell fight.
5. Timothy Bradley
What's not to like? I think he should be the guy to fight for Manny or Mayweather.
Maybe i'm underating him abit but there was simply nothing i seen from him that impressed me.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepCome on bro, give Foreman more credit than that. He's a great pure boxer, the Jennings comparison is hardly fair. Foreman knows how to use his height and reach, I don't think he will sit down on his shots like he did against Santos, but he's got the reach, speed and footwork to box circles around Cotto, I'd put a sigi bet on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticStop right there Killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepForeman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by doublehook2
My boy Cotto is not and i repeat is not getting schooled by Foreman.
Cotto is gonna cut off that ring, control the fight with his jab and beat him up. Cotto has declined mentally as a fighter since the Margarito loss but stylistically Foreman hasn't got the tools to beat Cotto. He can't beat Cotto just because he has the size advantage.
Foreman just doesn't bring to the table what Margarito and Pacquiao did which for one was a high pace and constant pressure and from the other a high pace as well but used his speed and footwork to break Cotto down.
Foreman to me is just a bigger version of Michael Jennings with abit more skill.
He showed he had good footwork and could box but otherwise i find him to be average. Maybe he somehow proves me wrong against Cotto.
Stylistically what he brings, i don't see bothering Cotto that much. He's been in with guys who use alot of movement before and he's broken them down all the same, with the jab, left hook and body work. Foreman is bigger than the other guys he broke down but he isn't faster than those guys so Cotto should have an easier time getting his shots off.
I would take a sigi bet with you but if i won, i would have no idea what i would do.
I like you too much to do anything harsh lol.
I didn't realize we had to explain why.
Pacquiao: What's not to like? He's exciting, has the heart of a champion, goes for the KO even when he's ahead, the list is endless. I'm also Filipino but ask anyone here, I'm no fanboy.
Mayweather: One of the greatest talents the game has ever seen. His speed and reflexes are a thing of awe.
Cotto: I love the way he puts his punches together and I think he cuts the ring off better than anyone. Always part of an exciting fight
Juan Manuel Marquez: I like him for the same reason as Mayweather. I love how he made his style more offensive to appeal to the public more later in his career.
Pavlik: I like his story and how he's just a regular Joe. I think his career is over and will soon be replaced by someone else...
The feeling is mutual, we could do like CFH and I did just put a picture of the loser getting punched in the face. So if Cotto loses you'd put a picture of him getting clocked and if Foreman loses I put a picture of him getting decked.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticMaybe i'm underating him abit but there was simply nothing i seen from him that impressed me.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepCome on bro, give Foreman more credit than that. He's a great pure boxer, the Jennings comparison is hardly fair. Foreman knows how to use his height and reach, I don't think he will sit down on his shots like he did against Santos, but he's got the reach, speed and footwork to box circles around Cotto, I'd put a sigi bet on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticStop right there Killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepForeman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by doublehook2
My boy Cotto is not and i repeat is not getting schooled by Foreman.
Cotto is gonna cut off that ring, control the fight with his jab and beat him up. Cotto has declined mentally as a fighter since the Margarito loss but stylistically Foreman hasn't got the tools to beat Cotto. He can't beat Cotto just because he has the size advantage.
Foreman just doesn't bring to the table what Margarito and Pacquiao did which for one was a high pace and constant pressure and from the other a high pace as well but used his speed and footwork to break Cotto down.
Foreman to me is just a bigger version of Michael Jennings with abit more skill.
He showed he had good footwork and could box but otherwise i find him to be average. Maybe he somehow proves me wrong against Cotto.
Stylistically what he brings, i don't see bothering Cotto that much. He's been in with guys who use alot of movement before and he's broken them down all the same, with the jab, left hook and body work. Foreman is bigger than the other guys he broke down but he isn't faster than those guys so Cotto should have an easier time getting his shots off.
I would take a sigi bet with you but if i won, i would have no idea what i would do.
I like you too much to do anything harsh lol.
Sometimes the term pure boxer is overused, but Foreman is truly a pure boxer. I would say that Mayweather and Foreman are the top 2 pure boxers out there at the moment in terms of the sweet science. Mayweather and Foreman don't have great one punch knockout power, but they bother opponents by keeping punches in their opponent's face, while moving out the way of opponents punches.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepCome on bro, give Foreman more credit than that. He's a great pure boxer, the Jennings comparison is hardly fair. Foreman knows how to use his height and reach, I don't think he will sit down on his shots like he did against Santos, but he's got the reach, speed and footwork to box circles around Cotto, I'd put a sigi bet on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticStop right there Killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
My boy Cotto is not and i repeat is not getting schooled by Foreman.
Cotto is gonna cut off that ring, control the fight with his jab and beat him up. Cotto has declined mentally as a fighter since the Margarito loss but stylistically Foreman hasn't got the tools to beat Cotto. He can't beat Cotto just because he has the size advantage.
Foreman just doesn't bring to the table what Margarito and Pacquiao did which for one was a high pace and constant pressure and from the other a high pace as well but used his speed and footwork to break Cotto down.
Foreman to me is just a bigger version of Michael Jennings with abit more skill.
Amir Khan showed similar skills against Malignaggi, but Mayweather and Foreman have been doing this their entire career, while Khan has only doing this recently with Freddie Roach. And Pacquiao also is very busy, and has incredible hand speed, but Pacquiao has more of an open stance than Mayweather, Khan, or Foreman. In truth, Foreman may have the best footwork out of them all. (in terms of the fact that he's almost always moving laterally) Foreman just hasn't shown that KO power as consistently as the other 3 have shown.
Cotto vs Foreman at 154 is a very interesting fight, and in the coming weeks, I look forward to some good pre-fight threads for members to weigh-in regarding this fight. As highly as I rank Foreman, I don't think Cotto will be a walk in the park at all.
Here's why. If you go back to Cotto vs Pacquiao, for some reason (which is still unclear to me), the Pacquiao team made Cotto drain to 145 lbs with no title on the line, then turned around at contract signing and made it a title fight, supposedly at a 144 catch weight since Pacquiao was coming up from junior welter. They ended up both making 145, and it was kind of a shady situation, a lot like the catch weight situation between Mayweather and Marquez.
But the fact of the matter was both Pacquiao and Cotto weighed in at 145, whereas in fights before, Cotto was weighing in at 147, the welterweight limit. So for whatever reason, Cotto looked drained against Pacquiao, more drained than Pac-man because Pacquiao was coming up from junior welter, and something tells me Pacquiao has a higher metabolism than Cotto.
Despite looking drained, Cotto did very well in the early rounds against Pacquiao, giving Pacquiao the most early round trouble probably since Pacquiao faced Morales many years ago and the most trouble since Pacquiao has been training with Freddie Roach.
I am not sleeping on the possibility that Cotto will actually be more comfortable at junior middle than he was against Pacquiao at 145. Potentially 9 pounds could do wonders for Cotto, as Cotto is getting older, and many times when fighters go through wars and are starting to get older, they try to cut weight and lose something. (RJJ after coming down from Heavy is one example)
Cotto may just have the body type that will really benefit from moving up into a higher weight division at this point in his career. I wouldn't be surprised if Cotto has better stamina than he had against Pacquiao near the junior middleweight limit of 154. So with this said, a ready Cotto could turn back the clock a bit against Foreman and give Foreman his toughest fight to date.
I still think Foreman has enough ring savvy to win rounds against Cotto, but a more comfortable Cotto at 154 with good power and a strong jab could give Foreman problems.
This is a tough fight for Foreman, because if Foreman wins, people will probably say that Cotto is shot after getting TKO'd by Pacquiao. If Cotto beats Foreman, people will lose respect for Foreman, thinking that he lost to a washed up Cotto. But if you look at all the facts, Cotto's two losses aren't bad at all. One was marred in controversy against Marg, the other is to Pacquiao, the guy that many consider to be the pound for pound champion in a fight that was competitive early.
I actually think this will be a very competitive fight. I think we'll see a fit comfortable Cotto, a Cotto more like the old Cotto pre-Margarito. We'll see two top fighters with a loyal New York following fighting at Yankee Stadium, a fight at the stadium for the first time in nearly 35 years.
So, I am not one to bet my house on Foreman winning. I do give Foreman the edge due to his lateral movement, which, like Pacquiao, will give Cotto problems. But Cotto's jab could make it tough on Foreman to be as effective as he was against Santos. Foreman is a great pure boxer, but this is a step up in class for Foreman. Cotto has a lot to prove in this fight. He is at a new weight, and he may lose a little speed, but I don't see him fading late as he did against Pacquiao. For one, Foreman doesn't have the power than Pacquiao has, and Cotto should take more stamina up with him gaining a few pounds and not having to drain weight.
I see this being a tough fight for both guys. Both guys have solid jabs and Foreman won't stand toe-to-toe with Cotto early on. We'll find out just how much power Foreman has. It will be a very good fight and will really a huge event in New York. Cotto will be ready and Foreman will be make the first defense of his WBA World Light Middleweight title. Many people will pick Cotto to win, and those people aren't crazy. Cotto is training hard for this fight and isn't taking Foreman lightly. However, you can't underestimate the fact that Foreman has never tasted defeat and is a very slick pure boxer.
Off the top of the dome...
Cotto - He's been one of my fav since his debut
Martinez - Have seen him fight in person and he's even more amazing in person.
JMM - He's been one of my fav since 1995 for various reasons. An excellent fighter who even at this stage can outbox the yougest of lions.
Devon - Scoped him out since he beat Cuevas he was my fav prospect in 2007/2008 and just get's better and better.
The 5th spot is a tie between Montiel and Adamek...
I'm going to take Jeff Lacy off the lists now but he is definitely one of my all time favs, all his fights pre-Calzaghe were exciting and he had tenacity in there. Winky remains. Also I'm not going to include non-(ex)champions so guys like the Petersons are excluded. Edwin Valero would have been on this list too, sad.
1. Winky
2. Miguel Cotto
3. Andre Ward
4. Zab Judah
5. Paul Williams
In no particular order
1. Klitschkos
Been rooting for them for years
2. Yuriorkis Gamboa
Explosive yet vulnerable...always makes for good viewing
3. Tomasz Adamek
Will fight anybody...one of the gutsiest fighters in recent times
4. Robert Guerrero
One of the good guys in the sport...great fighter as well
5. Saul Alvarez/Andre Berto
Tie...both of them are growing on me.
Honorable mentions - Pavlik, Juarez, Bute, Johnson, Erdei, Bradley, Kirkland, Wlodarczyk and Dzinziruk
Adamek: following him for years now, exciting monster with an iron chin.
Bute: Fast,Strong and overall nice guy.
Gamboa; Always an experience to see him fight and there is always that drama possibility
Juan Manuel Lopez; slowly winning my heart with his skill.
there is no fifth place or maybe there is one but many contenders to win it at the moment.
1. Pac
2. Bute
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. Mayweather
the homer in me wants to put Lemieux in there, but we'll see when he starts to step up the comp. level.
1. Mayweather
2. Khan
3. Haye
4. Martinez
5. Malignaggi
:cool:
Why the hell would you hate Lucian Bute?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
In no particular order, here's eleven... Cuz I couldn't cut it to 5.
Michael Katsidis
Devon Alexander
Manny Pacquiao
Shane Mosley
Andre Ward
Sergio Martinez
Paul Williams
Yuriorkis Gamboa
Steve Cunningham
Ali Funeka
Lucian Bute
Oh ok. That doesn't sound too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThe feeling is mutual, we could do like CFH and I did just put a picture of the loser getting punched in the face. So if Cotto loses you'd put a picture of him getting clocked and if Foreman loses I put a picture of him getting decked.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticMaybe i'm underating him abit but there was simply nothing i seen from him that impressed me.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepCome on bro, give Foreman more credit than that. He's a great pure boxer, the Jennings comparison is hardly fair. Foreman knows how to use his height and reach, I don't think he will sit down on his shots like he did against Santos, but he's got the reach, speed and footwork to box circles around Cotto, I'd put a sigi bet on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticStop right there Killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepForeman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by doublehook2
My boy Cotto is not and i repeat is not getting schooled by Foreman.
Cotto is gonna cut off that ring, control the fight with his jab and beat him up. Cotto has declined mentally as a fighter since the Margarito loss but stylistically Foreman hasn't got the tools to beat Cotto. He can't beat Cotto just because he has the size advantage.
Foreman just doesn't bring to the table what Margarito and Pacquiao did which for one was a high pace and constant pressure and from the other a high pace as well but used his speed and footwork to break Cotto down.
Foreman to me is just a bigger version of Michael Jennings with abit more skill.
He showed he had good footwork and could box but otherwise i find him to be average. Maybe he somehow proves me wrong against Cotto.
Stylistically what he brings, i don't see bothering Cotto that much. He's been in with guys who use alot of movement before and he's broken them down all the same, with the jab, left hook and body work. Foreman is bigger than the other guys he broke down but he isn't faster than those guys so Cotto should have an easier time getting his shots off.
I would take a sigi bet with you but if i won, i would have no idea what i would do.
I like you too much to do anything harsh lol.
If you want a sigi bet then it's on. :)
good luck, you will need it. ;D
Floyd
Gamboa
JMM
Abraham
Darchinyan
It's on then ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticOh ok. That doesn't sound too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepThe feeling is mutual, we could do like CFH and I did just put a picture of the loser getting punched in the face. So if Cotto loses you'd put a picture of him getting clocked and if Foreman loses I put a picture of him getting decked.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticMaybe i'm underating him abit but there was simply nothing i seen from him that impressed me.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepCome on bro, give Foreman more credit than that. He's a great pure boxer, the Jennings comparison is hardly fair. Foreman knows how to use his height and reach, I don't think he will sit down on his shots like he did against Santos, but he's got the reach, speed and footwork to box circles around Cotto, I'd put a sigi bet on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PugilisticStop right there Killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepForeman? Interesting, he's a great boxer and I fully expect his stock to rise after he schools Cotto. I just didn't expect him to make any lists yet. Good on ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by doublehook2
My boy Cotto is not and i repeat is not getting schooled by Foreman.
Cotto is gonna cut off that ring, control the fight with his jab and beat him up. Cotto has declined mentally as a fighter since the Margarito loss but stylistically Foreman hasn't got the tools to beat Cotto. He can't beat Cotto just because he has the size advantage.
Foreman just doesn't bring to the table what Margarito and Pacquiao did which for one was a high pace and constant pressure and from the other a high pace as well but used his speed and footwork to break Cotto down.
Foreman to me is just a bigger version of Michael Jennings with abit more skill.
He showed he had good footwork and could box but otherwise i find him to be average. Maybe he somehow proves me wrong against Cotto.
Stylistically what he brings, i don't see bothering Cotto that much. He's been in with guys who use alot of movement before and he's broken them down all the same, with the jab, left hook and body work. Foreman is bigger than the other guys he broke down but he isn't faster than those guys so Cotto should have an easier time getting his shots off.
I would take a sigi bet with you but if i won, i would have no idea what i would do.
I like you too much to do anything harsh lol.
If you want a sigi bet then it's on. :)
good luck, you will need it. ;D
Malignaggi in your top 5? After saturday? What makes you rank him that high?Quote:
Originally Posted by DatsiK
5 most loved
1-Carl Froch
2-Yuriorkis Gamboa
3-Orlandier Solis
4-Nathan Cleverly
5-BJ Flores
5 most hated
1-Zab Judah
2-Chris John
3-Kelly Pavlik
4-Alfonso Gomez
5-Prince Arron
Miguel Cotto
Shane Mosley
Juan Manuel Marquez
David Haye
Vic Darchinyan
Only the best for me! ;D
Sorry i have to do more i hurts me to miss out Mikkel Kessler and Arthur Abraham.:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
1. David Haye
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Michael Katsidis
4. Carl Froch
5. Amir Khan
HATED fighters.
1. Wladimir Klitchsko
2. Vitali Klitchsko
3. Floyd Mayweather
4. Paul Malignaggi
5. Bernard Hopkins
Israel vasquez
Cotto
Pac man
Williams
Gamboa
Antonio Escalante - Pure fighter with good power
Andre Dirrell - Fast, Slick and exciting
Manny Pacquiao - Skills and Brutality
Miguel Cotto - Skills and Brutality
Jean Pascal - Is there a more exciting fighter?
Floyd Mayweather
Devon Alexander
Sergio Martinez
Michael Katsidis
David Haye
Escalante has the heart of a lion, I can't believe the shots he took from Mickey Roman and still never let off the gas. I can't picture him being in a boring fight ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Here's my top 5 in that particular order:
1. Lucian Bute
2. Chad Dawson
3. Miguel Cotto
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Yuriorkis Gamboa
5. Sergio Martinez
5. Timothy Bradley
You see, I stop to 5.:p
I have to include him on all my fav lists. He is a lion, but overlooked by so many.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepEscalante has the heart of a lion, I can't believe the shots he took from Mickey Roman and still never let off the gas. I can't picture him being in a boring fight ever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
Yuri Gamboa
JuanMa Lopez
Paul McCloskey
Vic Darchinyan
Paul Williams
no order
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
3. Vitali Klitskcho
4. Chad Dawson
5. Devon Alexander