Your take on Andre Dirrell

So I've wrestled with him a bit. ...and I was wondering what your takes were on him. This is how I see him at this point.

Andre Dirrell is an EXTREMELY gifted athlete. He has quick hands, decent power and good legs on him and uses great angles.

His inconsistency is what kind of kills me. He teeters in between two styles... One is all out running and another is engaging with technical brilliance... The thing is that it seems that the styles have had less to do with who's in the ring than with his mindset and focus.

People can say what they want about the shot landed by Abraham... Either way it was illigal and I think that the ref made a good decision on the DQ because he was down but in watching it over and over again in slow-mo, it looks like he makes an active decision to go down. He started to make an "it didn't hurt me expression" on his face for a split second before he went down. I probably would have done the same thing if I were him to seal the deal because Abraham was closing distance on him and getting tougher to keep at the end of a jab... but that's neither here nor there.

Although extememly skilled he's still a bit of a question mark in my mind and I can't really make my mind up on him.:-\

Thoughts?

Dirrell has become my favorite of the Super 6. He is truly gifted, but also wild and vulnerable and will exchange when pressed.

He reminds me of Pascal in that you can see all that talent, but he has no issue with tossing it aside to get downright wild in there. It makes him an exciting fighter and it creates drama in his fights.

He also seems to have some power so when he exchanges he more often than not gets the better of them. He sent Abraham reeling quite a few times.

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

Dirrell has become my favorite of the Super 6. He is truly gifted, but also wild and vulnerable and will exchange when pressed.

He reminds me of Pascal in that you can see all that talent, but he has no issue with tossing it aside to get downright wild in there. It makes him an exciting fighter and it creates drama in his fights.

He also seems to have some power so when he exchanges he more often than not gets the better of them. He sent Abraham reeling quite a few times.

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I'd have to say Ward is my favorite in the Super Six. I love his movement and style. He doesn't mind taking it to the inside either. He doesn't make many mistakes. He has a good jab and power. Regardless of the headbuts he was making Kess look like an amatuer.(I'm a big Kessler fan so I was quite surprised)

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Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTON

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

Dirrell has become my favorite of the Super 6. He is truly gifted, but also wild and vulnerable and will exchange when pressed.

He reminds me of Pascal in that you can see all that talent, but he has no issue with tossing it aside to get downright wild in there. It makes him an exciting fighter and it creates drama in his fights.

He also seems to have some power so when he exchanges he more often than not gets the better of them. He sent Abraham reeling quite a few times.

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I'd have to say Ward is my favorite in the Super Six. I love his movement and style. He doesn't mind taking it to the inside either. He doesn't make many mistakes. He has a good jab and power. Regardless of the headbuts he was making Kess look like an amatuer.(I'm a big Kessler fan so I was quite surprised)

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I am not sure what it is, but I just cannot take to Ward at all. I think it is the Oakland officials or something. Maybe it was the Miranda fight. All I know is when he fights I want to see him get clocked good!LOL

He seems like a good guy and all, Maybe it is the fact all his fights are home fights for him or something. He seems to have it the easiest of the group for that reason.

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

Dirrell has become my favorite of the Super 6. He is truly gifted, but also wild and vulnerable and will exchange when pressed.

He reminds me of Pascal in that you can see all that talent, but he has no issue with tossing it aside to get downright wild in there. It makes him an exciting fighter and it creates drama in his fights.

He also seems to have some power so when he exchanges he more often than not gets the better of them. He sent Abraham reeling quite a few times.

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I'd have to say Ward is my favorite in the Super Six. I love his movement and style. He doesn't mind taking it to the inside either. He doesn't make many mistakes. He has a good jab and power. Regardless of the headbuts he was making Kess look like an amatuer.(I'm a big Kessler fan so I was quite surprised)

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I am not sure what it is, but I just cannot take to Ward at all. I think it is the Oakland officials or something. Maybe it was the Miranda fight. All I know is when he fights I want to see him get clocked good!LOL

He seems like a good guy and all, Maybe it is the fact all his fights are home fights for him or something. He seems to have it the easiest of the group for that reason.

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Yeah, I can see that. I loved the Miranda fight. What a beatdown. Bute sealed it, though. ;D What a vicious uppercut!

I think Dirrell is a great fighter and he has a great future. I really dont think he'll win the super six tournament but he can never be slept on his skill level is far to good. He has some flaws but who doesn't now and day good fighters hand pick opponents he's fighting the real deal competition. these are no fights that have you feel funny like watching them hand picked million dollar fight from hbo.

Pussy nuff said, although even worse he lost to Froch...

I like Dirrell, I think he's the most charismatic member of the Super Six tourney by far and is a likeable guy.

For some reason he kind of reminds me as Rashaad Evan's kid brother, just a random thing.

I think you could make a case for him being the second best fighter in this tournament. He was unlucky not to get the decision against Froch, and he was beating Abraham handily until the foul, although Artur looked to be closing the gap on him a bit over the previous couple rounds, and maybe got a knockdown that wasn't called.

Either way I'd favour Dirrell to beat everybody now bar Ward, and even there I think he's the only fighter who can trouble Ward. I think Ward just wins this whole thing easy now, different class to the others, but Dirrell won't be easy.

I've got a feeling Dirrell has Ward in the next round? Which is unfair as he'll possibly fail to qualify, even though I think he probably deserved to win against Froch and could beat the others.

How many points did he get for the Abraham win? Does a DQ count as 2 or 3? I think it should be 3 as else a Kermit Cintron type who knew he couldn't make 12 rounds would throw a low blow and get disqualified to only give the other guy 2 points.

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Originally Posted by terrorsid

I think Dirrell is a great fighter and he has a great future. I really dont think he'll win the super six tournament but he can never be slept on his skill level is far to good. He has some flaws but who doesn't now and day good fighters hand pick opponents he's fighting the real deal competition. these are no fights that have you feel funny like watching them hand picked million dollar fight from hbo.

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Oh I agree. He's crazy skilled... I'm just still on the fence about him as far as focus and mindset but people would have to be crazy to overlook what an amazing athlete he is. I mean, he could be a dark horse to win it but I lean towards Ward. Kess has showed that there's more chincks in the armor than I originally saw. Abraham just lets guys bank to many rounds early and depends to heavily on that one punch late. Against this level you can't depend on one punch though I still rate him extrmemly high in the S6 due to his defense and power. Froch is just to technically flawed for me and although he has pop and stamina... He's just very ordinary. Going off Green's last performance I don't rate him at all in this tourny... He's not taking on the Jaidon Codringtons of the world anymore.

Dirrell: A talented boxer who's considering a side career in theater, preferably with Eschyles or Sophocles tragedies:cool:

I like Dirrell too, but i'm not sure on his style. He has the ability to out box most guys, but i don't think he does it all the time. All the tools are there, he just doesn't use them all the time. I'm expecting him to do very well in the Super Six, i definitely think he moves on to the next round.

Good fighter, great actor.

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Originally Posted by MMASUX

I like Dirrell too, but i'm not sure on his style. He has the ability to out box most guys, but i don't think he does it all the time. All the tools are there, he just doesn't use them all the time. I'm expecting him to do very well in the Super Six, i definitely think he moves on to the next round.

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I really hope he moves on to the next round. He's getting golden experience fighting the best of the best. This tourny is more important for the young guys IMO. Abraham, Kess and Froch have been world titlists and fought at the top level where as Ward and Dirrell were still faily green in the pro ranks coming in with decent but not top level experience.

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Originally Posted by MMASUX

I like Dirrell too, but i'm not sure on his style. He has the ability to out box most guys, but i don't think he does it all the time. All the tools are there, he just doesn't use them all the time. I'm expecting him to do very well in the Super Six, i definitely think he moves on to the next round.

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I really hope he moves on to the next round. He's getting golden experience fighting the best of the best. This tourny is more important for the young guys IMO. Abraham, Kess and Froch have been world titlists and fought at the top level where as Ward and Dirrell were still faily green in the pro ranks coming in with decent but not top level experience.

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You could argue the opposite. The established champions are looking for a way to define their careers and put themselves in the history books as some of the greatest super middleweights, whilst the younger guys and learn from this and come again.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by MMASUX

I like Dirrell too, but i'm not sure on his style. He has the ability to out box most guys, but i don't think he does it all the time. All the tools are there, he just doesn't use them all the time. I'm expecting him to do very well in the Super Six, i definitely think he moves on to the next round.

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I really hope he moves on to the next round. He's getting golden experience fighting the best of the best. This tourny is more important for the young guys IMO. Abraham, Kess and Froch have been world titlists and fought at the top level where as Ward and Dirrell were still faily green in the pro ranks coming in with decent but not top level experience.

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You could argue the opposite. The established champions are looking for a way to define their careers and put themselves in the history books as some of the greatest super middleweights, whilst the younger guys and learn from this and come again.

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Indeed. I guess I'm looking at it as either win or lose, these kids are gonna come away knowing what to expect, look for, improve on ect.

It's true, though... I guess it depends what side of the pipe you're looking down.

Anyone with a fair opinion of boxing is in complete agreement that andre dirrell is one of the most hated guys in the sport right now

The anti-fighter. Nobody would ever pay good money to see 2 andre dirrells fighting eachother. If andre retired tommorow the sport would of avoided one of its biggest all time potential eyesores!!

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Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer

Anyone with a fair opinion of boxing is in complete agreement that andre dirrell is one of the most hated guys in the sport right now

The anti-fighter. Nobody would ever pay good money to see 2 andre dirrells fighting eachother. If andre retired tommorow the sport would of avoided one of its biggest all time potential eyesores!!

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Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer

Anyone with a fair opinion of boxing is in complete agreement that andre dirrell is one of the most hated guys in the sport right now

The anti-fighter. Nobody would ever pay good money to see 2 andre dirrells fighting eachother. If andre retired tommorow the sport would of avoided one of its biggest all time potential eyesores!!

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oh c`mon POB where the hell in that post did i deserve a.... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer

Anyone with a fair opinion of boxing is in complete agreement that andre dirrell is one of the most hated guys in the sport right now

The anti-fighter. Nobody would ever pay good money to see 2 andre dirrells fighting eachother. If andre retired tommorow the sport would of avoided one of its biggest all time potential eyesores!!

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oh c`mon POB where the hell in that post did i deserve a.... :rolleyes:

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LOL, I think I have a "fair opinion of boxing" and I think most would agree that he's one of the best contenders in the SMW division and a future champion.

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There's no doubt he should be starring in the West End. His acting ability is second to none.

Dirrell Win be a champion one day i believe in him even though he has stuff to work on

I actually think he's a pretty talented guy... but he needs to change his mentality a little bit. He put on a bit of a stinker versus Froch but other than the ending against Abraham you couldn't really complain about the fight itself.

Bad against Froch and didn't carry himself all that well after the Abraham loss, but he's still learning the fight game to an extent and I reckon once he matures a little more he could do big things.

I think POB said it best... very athletic, good speed, solid power movement etc, pretty well schooled to boot... just needs to sort his head a little.

You have guys like Hatton binge drinking between fights and falling shorter than they should of, guys bitching over twitter like children, guys knocking their spouses about, prospects and even champs fighting bum after bum and ducking fighters left and right... you can hardly call Dirrell the worst thing in boxing. :rolleyes:

What does he do that is that bad? being negative once when you're a relative novice at world level and getting emotional about something that your heart is in (after receiving concussive shots to the head and having adrenalin shooting about :rolleyes:) may not be great but they're hardly sac religious either.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I like Dirrell, I think he's the most charismatic member of the Super Six tourney by far and is a likeable guy.

For some reason he kind of reminds me as Rashaad Evan's kid brother, just a random thing.

I think you could make a case for him being the second best fighter in this tournament. He was unlucky not to get the decision against Froch, and he was beating Abraham handily until the foul, although Artur looked to be closing the gap on him a bit over the previous couple rounds, and maybe got a knockdown that wasn't called.

Either way I'd favour Dirrell to beat everybody now bar Ward, and even there I think he's the only fighter who can trouble Ward. I think Ward just wins this whole thing easy now, different class to the others, but Dirrell won't be easy.

I've got a feeling Dirrell has Ward in the next round? Which is unfair as he'll possibly fail to qualify, even though I think he probably deserved to win against Froch and could beat the others.

How many points did he get for the Abraham win? Does a DQ count as 2 or 3? I think it should be 3 as else a Kermit Cintron type who knew he couldn't make 12 rounds would throw a low blow and get disqualified to only give the other guy 2 points.

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He got two points. I agree that it should have been three.

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I actually think he's a pretty talented guy... but he needs to change his mentality a little bit. He put on a bit of a stinker versus Froch but other than the ending against Abraham you couldn't really complain about the fight itself.

Bad against Froch and didn't carry himself all that well after the Abraham loss, but he's still learning the fight game to an extent and I reckon once he matures a little more he could do big things.

I think POB said it best... very athletic, good speed, solid power movement etc, pretty well schooled to boot... just needs to sort his head a little.

You have guys like Hatton binge drinking between fights and falling shorter than they should of, guys bitching over twitter like children, guys knocking their spouses about, prospects and even champs fighting bum after bum and ducking fighters left and right... you can hardly call Dirrell the worst thing in boxing. :rolleyes:

What does he do that is that bad? being negative once when you're a relative novice at world level and getting emotional about something that your heart is in (after receiving concussive shots to the head and having adrenalin shooting about :rolleyes:) may not be great but they're hardly sac religious either.

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I agree with pretty much everything in this post.

I think he was ready to stay down in the Abraham fight, even if abe didn't hit him I think he was ready to claim an injured knee or leg from the slip. his fights end in controversy and he is skilled, but there is something missing in him...he hasn't finished the job in either super six fight, and quite frankly I think ward will give him a severe beating.

I think he is a very talented guy but like every other fighter that's won that wasn't the favorite. Such as Ward over Kessler or him vs Abraham they get the vault of critisisms for other things.

Like Ward beat Kessler down and then accidental headbutts happened and people somehow erase the beating he was putting on Kessler before that.

Dirrell was putting a brilliant performance against Abraham a guy who everyone had made their favorite when he knocked out Jermain Taylor, he put a beating on Abraham dropping him twice, one wasn't counted and the other way around as well.

But people that picked Abraham will say he was gonna knock out Dirrell late, why? because he hit Dirrell after Dirrell slipped on the canvas so they will say that Abraham would have knocked him out eventually. When there was nothing in the fight to really show that Abraham was having any success chasing Dirrell down.

Now if we flipped the script. And Kessler who was the favorite had put a beat down on Ward before accidentally headbutting him they'd have said that Ward was already losing and has nothing to complain about because he wasn't gonna win, and that Dirrell was dirty and knew he wouldnt beat Abraham fairly so had to resort to cheating which proves he has a weak mind for boxing.


To me whenever the favorite in a fight doesn't win, credit is taken away because of an incident that takes away from their entire performance because no one wants to admit their fighter got beaten.


Even if Dirrell had never been fouled by Abraham and went on to win a decision people would still complain about his style because his decision to not get hit prevented Abraham from winning.

Andre Dirrell is very talented and his style suits him very well, so much so that people want to see him fight outside of it because when he fights that style to his best ability he is capable of outboxing anyone.

The only problem that I can really see that some fans may have is the fact he doesn't "close the show". That's the only true complaint I could see for him.

Very talented. Has done exceptionally well given the fact that he is relatively inexperienced (people forget this). For a Yank, he has a surprising grasp of the art of Pantomime.

I think Dirrell is extremely talented but I dont think he has a ton of confidence and possibly questionable stamina. When he sat down and fought with Froch and Abraham he was winning the exchanges handily and rocked both Froch and Arthur. People mention that the ref didnt call Abraham's knockdown of Dirrell but the ref also didnt call the shot when dirrell rocked Arthur into the ropes and the ropes saved him from knockdown number 2....

I just wonder if he can be worn down like Jermaine taylor toward the end of fights.....If Dirrell used less energy running and moving and just sat down and let his hands go I have a feeling he could do more damage....He seemed to take both Froch and Abrahams shots well (until the foul).

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

Dirrell has become my favorite of the Super 6. He is truly gifted, but also wild and vulnerable and will exchange when pressed.

He reminds me of Pascal in that you can see all that talent, but he has no issue with tossing it aside to get downright wild in there. It makes him an exciting fighter and it creates drama in his fights.

He also seems to have some power so when he exchanges he more often than not gets the better of them. He sent Abraham reeling quite a few times.

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We're talking about the same Andre Dirrel, right? The guy makes for stinker fights.. I think he's very talented, but he (or his trainers) don't trust/believe in his power. Therefore they are making every fight like a really long evacuation route. When he fought Froch he didn't even know he could wobble the guy. And he did that when he stopped trying to hit him with his biggest shots. Makes me feel like he still hasn't tapped the depths of his talent. I guess, what I'm getting at is he still fights like he's in the amateurs a lot of the time.

I completely agree with you POB... This guy is very hard to gauge as to how far he will go. I'll still give him a shout for winning the Abraham fight!!! Nice work, America!

I totally agree with your original post, great skills and stunning movement but the guys just pisses me off.

He's good enough to win without running as proved against AA for the most part, he needs some heart and belief in his chin otherwise everyone (myself included) will continue to think he's always going to run (and maybe act) in his biggest fights.

Imo he wont win the super six but will have the title(s) at some point

I like him, I think I like him even more given the levels of hate he receives on here from the likes of HTH. Seriously though, he might just be the best 'athlete' in boxing right now, however he lacks the discipline of other great athletes like PBF & Shane to make the most of it. I hope he wins the Super Six though it would be brilliant to see Kel & HTH losing their minds. ;D;D;D

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I like him, I think I like him even more given the levels of hate he receives on here from the likes of HTH. Seriously though, he might just be the best 'athlete' in boxing right now, however he lacks the discipline of other great athletes like PBF & Shane to make the most of it. I hope he wins the Super Six though it would be brilliant to see Kel & HTH losing their minds. ;D;D;D

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Maybe for his size, but personally I think Gamboa has that locked down right now.

Dirrell is kool by me. He took some good lessons from the Froch fight to improve himself (even though I thought he won) a bit dissapionting for me he's fighting Ward next, as if he's as good as I think/hope he is Dirrell will be out of the competition.

He is a rabbit--a runner. AA would have caught up to him in one more round. I don't like him. I like guys who fight.

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Originally Posted by holmcall

He is a rabbit--a runner. AA would have caught up to him in one more round. I don't like him. I like guys who fight.

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So avoiding contact while knocking your opponent down twice isnt fighting?

Eurosport 2 are going to show Dirrell v A Abrahams now. :cool: