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Who would win between Oscar De La Hoya when he beat up Chavez at 140 and Ricky Hatton when he beat Tszyu?
IMO Hatton is a poor man's Chavez, and all though he wasn't at his best anymore, he still had a world title, so I'd pick DLH by 9th round TKO
your thoughts
Hatton would be way to busy for him
ODLH struggles with fighters that come on to him
Hatton unanimous points
I really can't see any way Ricky Hatton beats De La Hoya.
especially at that stage, when Oscar was more of a mover, meaning he was always on the front of his toes and used that excellent sharp jab, IMO he'd just cut Hatton up with the jab and overwhelm him with flurries
His left hook would devastate Hatton as he rushed in. It would be a good scrap while it lasted, but ODH is simply a better fighter and he would win by mid-round TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
i basically think it'd go into around the 9th due to Hattons durability at that timeQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHis left hook would devastate Hatton as he rushed in. It would be a good scrap while it lasted, but ODH is simply a better fighter and he would win by mid-round TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by CFHHis left hook would devastate Hatton as he rushed in. It would be a good scrap while it lasted, but ODH is simply a better fighter and he would win by mid-round TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
care to name me a single fighter on ODLHs record that he can brag about ever KO`ing?
Hatton only ever got beat by the best 2 p4ps of his generation, he sure as hell aint going down to an old de la hoya
If you ask me it would be hatton-castillo all over again only ODLH wouldnt be so stupid as to try and trade with the best body puncher in the biz and would end up going through the motions and taking a points loss
Doesn't it ever get boring? The only loss which you could even possibly attribute to pressure would be his first to Mosley, who was a hell of a lot better than Hatton ever was. Aside from this, De La Hoya did very well against pressure fighters who came forward, not to mention the size and power advantage he would've had over little Ricky. It's truly shameless the way you ride the guys nuts, Oscar would have smashed him up BADLY at 140, it's practically a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
old DLH? Oscar was in his early 20's when he fought at 140, what the hell are you talking about?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHis left hook would devastate Hatton as he rushed in. It would be a good scrap while it lasted, but ODH is simply a better fighter and he would win by mid-round TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
care to name me a single fighter on ODLHs record that he can brag about ever KO`ing?
Hatton only ever got beat by the best 2 p4ps of his generation, he sure as hell aint going down to an old de la hoya
and aside from the Tszyu win, what win does Hatton have on his record that can really pair up with anything DLH accomplished?
DLH was 23 when he beat up Chavez while Hatton was 27 when he finally chose to step it up
:lolololol::lolololol::lolololol:Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingDoesn't it ever get boring? The only loss which you could even possibly attribute to pressure would be his first to Mosley, who was a hell of a lot better than Hatton ever was. Aside from this, De La Hoya did very well against pressure fighters who came forward, not to mention the size and power advantage he would've had over little Ricky. It's truly shameless the way you ride the guys nuts, Oscar would have smashed him up BADLY at 140, it's practically a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
While ODLH was getting his ass handed to him against every single half decent opponent ricky was beating the likes of tszyu/castillo etc
A prime hatton destroys ODLH
Vargas, Mayorga? Not exactly elite in hindsight I suppose but both were relentless come forward fighters with a hell of a lot more size and durability than Ricky. And I don't think anyone will EVER ask you about anything regarding Hatton, because you are a shameless nuthugger.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHis left hook would devastate Hatton as he rushed in. It would be a good scrap while it lasted, but ODH is simply a better fighter and he would win by mid-round TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
care to name me a single fighter on ODLHs record that he can brag about ever KO`ing?
Hatton only ever got beat by the best 2 p4ps of his generation, he sure as hell aint going down to an old de la hoya
If you ask me it would be hatton-castillo all over again only ODLH wouldnt be so stupid as to try and trade with the best body puncher in the biz and would end up going through the motions and taking a points loss
You are such a clown. DLH has fought so many more quality fighters than Hatton it isn't even worth comparing, he only lost to guys who would have almost certainly KO'ed Hatton. The fact that you can only point to an old Tszyu and Castillo in contrast pretty much says everything... I suppose they were on par with Hopkins at 160, Trinidad at WW, Prime Mosley, Quartey, Whittaker, etc? Ricky wouldn't have had any problem beating those guys either right?Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer:lolololol::lolololol::lolololol:Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingDoesn't it ever get boring? The only loss which you could even possibly attribute to pressure would be his first to Mosley, who was a hell of a lot better than Hatton ever was. Aside from this, De La Hoya did very well against pressure fighters who came forward, not to mention the size and power advantage he would've had over little Ricky. It's truly shameless the way you ride the guys nuts, Oscar would have smashed him up BADLY at 140, it's practically a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
While ODLH was getting his ass handed to him against every single half decent opponent ricky was beating the likes of tszyu/castillo etc
A prime hatton destroys ODLH
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Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHis left hook would devastate Hatton as he rushed in. It would be a good scrap while it lasted, but ODH is simply a better fighter and he would win by mid-round TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
care to name me a single fighter on ODLHs record that he can brag about ever KO`ing?
Hatton only ever got beat by the best 2 p4ps of his generation, he sure as hell aint going down to an old de la hoya
If you ask me it would be hatton-castillo all over again only ODLH wouldnt be so stupid as to try and trade with the best body puncher in the biz and would end up going through the motions and taking a points loss
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Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer:lolololol::lolololol::lolololol:Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingDoesn't it ever get boring? The only loss which you could even possibly attribute to pressure would be his first to Mosley, who was a hell of a lot better than Hatton ever was. Aside from this, De La Hoya did very well against pressure fighters who came forward, not to mention the size and power advantage he would've had over little Ricky. It's truly shameless the way you ride the guys nuts, Oscar would have smashed him up BADLY at 140, it's practically a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
While ODLH was getting his ass handed to him against every single half decent opponent ricky was beating the likes of tszyu/castillo etc
A prime hatton destroys ODLH
fought - yes, im not even debating thatQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingYou are such a clown. DLH has fought so many more quality fighters than Hatton it isn't even worth comparing, he only lost to guys who would have almost certainly KO'ed Hatton. The fact that you can only point to an old Tszyu and Castillo in contrast pretty much says everything... I suppose they were on par with Hopkins at 160, Trinidad at WW, Prime Mosley, Quartey, Whittaker, etc? Ricky wouldn't have had any problem beating those guys either right?Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer:lolololol::lolololol::lolololol:Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingDoesn't it ever get boring? The only loss which you could even possibly attribute to pressure would be his first to Mosley, who was a hell of a lot better than Hatton ever was. Aside from this, De La Hoya did very well against pressure fighters who came forward, not to mention the size and power advantage he would've had over little Ricky. It's truly shameless the way you ride the guys nuts, Oscar would have smashed him up BADLY at 140, it's practically a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
While ODLH was getting his ass handed to him against every single half decent opponent ricky was beating the likes of tszyu/castillo etc
A prime hatton destroys ODLH
beaten - not a single person that can match kostya tszyu and jose luis castillo
Remembering ricky just didnt beat those 2 he TKO`d the pair of them and sent both into retirement
The day i see someone who isnt a p4p great own hatton like ODLH has been so many times i`ll take this question seriously, until then
get the hell out of here........
here are there biggest wins on a WORLD scaleQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer:lolololol::lolololol::lolololol:Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingDoesn't it ever get boring? The only loss which you could even possibly attribute to pressure would be his first to Mosley, who was a hell of a lot better than Hatton ever was. Aside from this, De La Hoya did very well against pressure fighters who came forward, not to mention the size and power advantage he would've had over little Ricky. It's truly shameless the way you ride the guys nuts, Oscar would have smashed him up BADLY at 140, it's practically a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
While ODLH was getting his ass handed to him against every single half decent opponent ricky was beating the likes of tszyu/castillo etc
A prime hatton destroys ODLH
DLH
Jorge Paez (KO)
John John Molina (UD)
Rafael Ruelas (KO)
Genaro Hernandez (KO)
Jesse James Leija (KO)
Julio Cesar Chavez (TKO X2)
Pernell Whitaker (UD)
Hector Camacho (UD)
Ike Quartey (SD)
Oba Carr (TKO)
Arturo Gatti (TKO)
Javier Castillejo (UD)
Fernando Vargas (TKO)
"Yory Boy" Campas (TKO)
Ricardo Mayorga (KO)
Out of 15 well known names he has 11 wins coming by KO
Hatton
Freddie Pendleton (KO)
Vince Phillips (UD)
Ben Tackie (UD)
Ray Oliviera (KO)
Kostya Tszyu (TKO)
Carlos Maussa (KO) :-X
Luis Collazo (UD)
Juan Urango (UD)
Jose Luis Castillo (KO)
Juan Lazcano (UD)
Paul Malignaggi (TKO)
Out of 11 well known names he has 6 KO
:-X
Julio Cesar Chavez is bigger than anything on Hatton's record, and he had a hell of a lot more left than Castillo did when Hatton decided to take him on, Tszyu was already nearing the end as well, anytime Hatton chose to really step it up he got stomped, end ofQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerfought - yes, im not even debating thatQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingYou are such a clown. DLH has fought so many more quality fighters than Hatton it isn't even worth comparing, he only lost to guys who would have almost certainly KO'ed Hatton. The fact that you can only point to an old Tszyu and Castillo in contrast pretty much says everything... I suppose they were on par with Hopkins at 160, Trinidad at WW, Prime Mosley, Quartey, Whittaker, etc? Ricky wouldn't have had any problem beating those guys either right?Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer:lolololol::lolololol::lolololol:Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingDoesn't it ever get boring? The only loss which you could even possibly attribute to pressure would be his first to Mosley, who was a hell of a lot better than Hatton ever was. Aside from this, De La Hoya did very well against pressure fighters who came forward, not to mention the size and power advantage he would've had over little Ricky. It's truly shameless the way you ride the guys nuts, Oscar would have smashed him up BADLY at 140, it's practically a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
While ODLH was getting his ass handed to him against every single half decent opponent ricky was beating the likes of tszyu/castillo etc
A prime hatton destroys ODLH
beaten - not a single person that can match kostya tszyu and jose luis castillo
Remembering ricky just didnt beat those 2 he TKO`d the pair of them and sent both into retirement
The day i see someone who isnt a p4p great own hatton like ODLH has been so many times i`ll take this question seriously, until then
get the hell out of here........
Other than whittaker not a single name on there to disprove my original statement and any single SANE fan of this sport knows that a prime whittaker would batter ODLH and Hatton on his dayQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshere are there biggest wins on a WORLD scaleQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer:lolololol::lolololol::lolololol:Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingDoesn't it ever get boring? The only loss which you could even possibly attribute to pressure would be his first to Mosley, who was a hell of a lot better than Hatton ever was. Aside from this, De La Hoya did very well against pressure fighters who came forward, not to mention the size and power advantage he would've had over little Ricky. It's truly shameless the way you ride the guys nuts, Oscar would have smashed him up BADLY at 140, it's practically a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
While ODLH was getting his ass handed to him against every single half decent opponent ricky was beating the likes of tszyu/castillo etc
A prime hatton destroys ODLH
DLH
Jorge Paez (KO)
John John Molina (UD)
Rafael Ruelas (KO)
Genaro Hernandez (KO)
Jesse James Leija (KO)
Julio Cesar Chavez (TKO X2)
Pernell Whitaker (UD)
Hector Camacho (UD)
Ike Quartey (SD)
Oba Carr (TKO)
Arturo Gatti (TKO)
Javier Castillejo (UD)
Fernando Vargas (TKO)
"Yory Boy" Campas (TKO)
Ricardo Mayorga (KO)
Out of 15 well known names he has 11 wins coming by KO
Hatton
Freddie Pendleton (KO)
Vince Phillips (UD)
Ben Tackie (UD)
Ray Oliviera (KO)
Kostya Tszyu (TKO)
Carlos Maussa (KO) :-X
Luis Collazo (UD)
Juan Urango (UD)
Jose Luis Castillo (KO)
Juan Lazcano (UD)
Paul Malignaggi (TKO)
Out of 11 well known names he has 6 KO
:-X
chavez, camacho, vargas, mayorga, quartey - can you seriously give me an argument for one of them at the time ODLH fought them remember beating a prime hatton...i could really do with a laugh (any of the others and im seriously backing out of this thread as your clearly not all the ticket)
as i said in the original post, Hatton is a poor man's Chavez, meaning he doesn't even come close to being as good as the original, you really should lay off the crack pipe and rubbing out to Hatton buddy ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerOther than whittaker not a single name on there to disprove my original statement and any single SANE fan of this sport knows that a prime whittaker would batter ODLH and Hatton on his dayQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshere are there biggest wins on a WORLD scaleQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer:lolololol::lolololol::lolololol:Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingDoesn't it ever get boring? The only loss which you could even possibly attribute to pressure would be his first to Mosley, who was a hell of a lot better than Hatton ever was. Aside from this, De La Hoya did very well against pressure fighters who came forward, not to mention the size and power advantage he would've had over little Ricky. It's truly shameless the way you ride the guys nuts, Oscar would have smashed him up BADLY at 140, it's practically a mismatch.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
While ODLH was getting his ass handed to him against every single half decent opponent ricky was beating the likes of tszyu/castillo etc
A prime hatton destroys ODLH
DLH
Jorge Paez (KO)
John John Molina (UD)
Rafael Ruelas (KO)
Genaro Hernandez (KO)
Jesse James Leija (KO)
Julio Cesar Chavez (TKO X2)
Pernell Whitaker (UD)
Hector Camacho (UD)
Ike Quartey (SD)
Oba Carr (TKO)
Arturo Gatti (TKO)
Javier Castillejo (UD)
Fernando Vargas (TKO)
"Yory Boy" Campas (TKO)
Ricardo Mayorga (KO)
Out of 15 well known names he has 11 wins coming by KO
Hatton
Freddie Pendleton (KO)
Vince Phillips (UD)
Ben Tackie (UD)
Ray Oliviera (KO)
Kostya Tszyu (TKO)
Carlos Maussa (KO) :-X
Luis Collazo (UD)
Juan Urango (UD)
Jose Luis Castillo (KO)
Juan Lazcano (UD)
Paul Malignaggi (TKO)
Out of 11 well known names he has 6 KO
:-X
chavez, camacho, vargas, mayorga, quartey - can you seriously give me an argument for one of them at the time ODLH fought them remember beating a prime hatton...i could really do with a laugh (any of the others and im seriously backing out of this thread as your clearly not all the ticket)
I can't see how this is even being argued. I am serious are you guy's joking? Well anyway Sounds like a classic case against a good boxer vs a good brawler and I would go with the boxer nine times out of ten. Except for Frazier Ali. Oscar by an easy TKO.
I love both guys so ill keep this short, ODLH got was finished by a body shot against B-HOP....Hatton is the best body puncher in the world.
difference was Hopkins was a natural Middleweight where DLH wasn't and Hatton is a natural JR welterweight while DLH is a natural Welter/Jr. MiddleweightQuote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
So whatQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdifference was Hopkins was a natural Middleweight where DLH wasn't and Hatton is a natural JR welterweight while DLH is a natural Welter/Jr. MiddleweightQuote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
Hatton wasnt a genuine welter when he lost to mayweather
Stop making excuses here
and Hatton would have been KO'd by Hopkins jabQuote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerSo whatQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesdifference was Hopkins was a natural Middleweight where DLH wasn't and Hatton is a natural JR welterweight while DLH is a natural Welter/Jr. MiddleweightQuote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
Hatton wasnt a genuine welter when he lost to mayweather
Stop making excuses here
you're the first one to use "Hatton was no welterweight" and "DAMN Joe Cortez" as your excuses to why Floyd beat the shit out of Hatton, so make up your mind
I'm hattons biggest fan, but I see dlh winning this both in their prime at 140. To me it's not as clear cut a victory for dlh as some people may think, a prime hatton was a very, very good fighter, one of the most relentless fighters ever imo, I think that would trouble dlh, where I see a dlh victory tho, is his left hook, hattons always been open for that shot, and de la hoyas was the best in the business, that's all I see the difference being. Would loved to of seen it.
Job biscuit (there's only one ricky hatton)
Hatton really has gone low in people's estimation on the back of these recent showings. The truth is that at 140 Oscar had never faced anyone quite like Ricky Hatton. To say it would be a mismatch is incredibly naive. The Hatton that beat Tsyzu could have walked through fire and not got scalded. His desire to work and work and grind it out was intense. Oscar, as good as he was, had never met someone who was as young and intense. Hatton was crude, but he was on you in a flash and it was hell to keep him off of you as Kostya found. Oscar would have his moments for sure, but there is also that chance that Hatton is still there going down the stretch and Oscar has never been one to enjoy the championship rounds.
It's a much more even fight than some are saying IMO.
Most know that I'm not one for giving Hatton the excuses, he gets KO'd by Mayweather 100 times out of a 100 even if his mum's reffing, but people are underestimating how good in his prime he was. It also combines with the fact that Oscar was not at his best at 140, and it was not until he got to 147 that his comp picked up. Prior to that, he'd largely feasted on guys either out of their weightclass (Genaro), lovely stylistic matchups (Paez, Ruelas) or those who'd seen better days (Chavez). Once at 147, his opposition completely shits all over Ricky's (including those who he beat), but their 140lb selves in with another and whilst I think Oscar's natural size advantage carries him to a close UD, I think the prime version of Hatton sucks it up to take it to the end. Hatton's own lack of conditioning would be offset by the fact, that Oscar always faded badly, more so the more weight he had to cut, and I think Hatton could have a great end to the fight, but Oscar would have built up enough of a lead.
A prime Hatton at 140 stands a small chance, as long as Mickey Vann is the ref and he's still mates with Frank Warren that is...
Even then I have a hard time seeing him win.
People are getting their knickers in a twist and comparing their careers. A 23 year old green Oscar v a 27 year old peak Hatton would mean that Ricky wins. Simple as. :cool:
Oscar was anything but green when he fought Chavez the first time out, if guys like Magee had Hatton on the floor and gave him all sorts of trouble (and IMO Hatton barely won that fight) DLH would have owned himQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yes, he was. Chavez was 50 years old. Do you disagree with that? And suddenly Hatton would be wiped out in a few rounds? You are full of shit ETM.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesOscar was anything but green when he fought Chavez the first time out, if guys like Magee had Hatton on the floor and gave him all sorts of trouble (and IMO Hatton barely won that fight) DLH would have owned himQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
This is you not liking english fighters again.
Crap thread too.
KO-ed Fernando Vargas in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHis left hook would devastate Hatton as he rushed in. It would be a good scrap while it lasted, but ODH is simply a better fighter and he would win by mid-round TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
care to name me a single fighter on ODLHs record that he can brag about ever KO`ing?
Hatton only ever got beat by the best 2 p4ps of his generation, he sure as hell aint going down to an old de la hoya
If you ask me it would be hatton-castillo all over again only ODLH wouldnt be so stupid as to try and trade with the best body puncher in the biz and would end up going through the motions and taking a points loss
So what?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyFoldsKO-ed Fernando Vargas in his prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHHis left hook would devastate Hatton as he rushed in. It would be a good scrap while it lasted, but ODH is simply a better fighter and he would win by mid-round TKO.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
care to name me a single fighter on ODLHs record that he can brag about ever KO`ing?
Hatton only ever got beat by the best 2 p4ps of his generation, he sure as hell aint going down to an old de la hoya
If you ask me it would be hatton-castillo all over again only ODLH wouldnt be so stupid as to try and trade with the best body puncher in the biz and would end up going through the motions and taking a points loss
Vargas was shit anyway, Hatton would have mauled him and eaten various parts.
Oh please. Vargas was still a damn good fighter at that point. Hatton would've gotten mauled by MANY fighters Oscar fought above 140, let alone Vargas at light middle. I'll assume you weren't serious though.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Hatton was nearly KO'd by Collazo, who isn't even considered a hard hitting Welterweight much less a hard hitting Jr. Middleweight, you have made it very clear that Mayweather couldn't KO Marquez, yet he smashed Hatton, Vargas would have beat Hatton from pillar to post without the steroids, he would have ended Hatton with themQuote:
Originally Posted by miles
De La Hoya by KO.
De La Hoya by complete embarrassment. I loved Hatton, but he loses to nearly every quick handed elite fighter who can throw more than one punch at a time.
He has never been able to deal with it. The fact he nearly got ko'd by Collazo had fuck all to do with him fighting at welterweight and neither did Mayweather. He just doesn't know how to react to combinations, and he's never been able to deal with speed. Collazo threw fast combinations and nearly took Hatton's head off. Same with Pacquiao and once Mayweather opened up, he did the same thing.
It's ok saying he only lost to the two greatest fighters of a generation, but the facts are he never convincingly beat anybody who was in their prime who was technically good with fast hands. Oscar would stop him after about 6 or 7 imo.
Good post. You've got to love people defending Hatton's chances on the basis that "he only lost to the two best p4p fighters", without recognizing that he was KNOCKED OUT by both, and never beat anyone close to the same level, being rocked by several far inferior guys. At the same time people will excuse his poor performance against Collazo due to being at WW, although Collazo isn't a puncher nor did he impose his size in the fight. Talk about having it both ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
De La Hoya yesterday, today and tomorrow.
Maybe my views became a bit eccentric following post dinner alcohol consumption, but I refuse to consider Vargas anything more than the Victor Ortiz of his time. At the end of the day Hatton was a JWW who was a tough SOAB for a short while before he drank and ate his way out of purpose and condition. Whilst in that prime state he would have been a very tough call for Oscar win or lose. Vargas was a porky plodder and a steroid user, so we shouldn't even really be talking about him. He has barred himself from the discussion as far as I am concerned. I've never been keen on Vargas with his stupid haircuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesHatton was nearly KO'd by Collazo, who isn't even considered a hard hitting Welterweight much less a hard hitting Jr. Middleweight, you have made it very clear that Mayweather couldn't KO Marquez, yet he smashed Hatton, Vargas would have beat Hatton from pillar to post without the steroids, he would have ended Hatton with themQuote:
Originally Posted by miles