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I hope Cotto beats the hell out of him. Why? The very word Israel upsets me these days. It will be funny to see Foreman dribble some teeth.

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Originally Posted by miles

I hope Cotto beats the hell out of him. Why? The very word Israel upsets me these days. It will be funny to see Foreman dribble some teeth.

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You are hoping a boxer, Yuri Foreman, loses because of Israeli policies? That's ridiculous to me and qualifies for a neg rep Holmes although not my style.

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I hope Cotto beats the hell out of him. Why? The very word Israel upsets me these days. It will be funny to see Foreman dribble some teeth.

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You are hoping Foreman loses because he is Israeli? That's insulting and really qualifies for a neg rep Holmes.

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In this instance I do indeed hope he loses. Am I familar with his character? It's irrelevant, right now he is representing a terrorist state. I cannot and will not suport that. I hope Cotto busts him up. Simple as. The very flag upsets me. Israel brought it upon itself.

...Well Miles, we're al entitled to our opinions but as we learned from Schmeling/Louis sometimes political views held by fighters are not as cut and dry as it may look from the outside.

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...Well Miles, we're al entitled to our opinions but as we learned from Schmeling/Louis sometimes political views held by fighters are not as cut and dry as it may look from the outside.

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So you think Israel is in the right in this situation? LOL, I know my own views. I'm quite alright. But in this situation for sure I am anti Jew. Not a bother.

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...Well Miles, we're al entitled to our opinions but as we learned from Schmeling/Louis sometimes political views held by fighters are not as cut and dry as it may look from the outside.

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So you think Israel is in the right in this situation? LOL, I know my own views. I'm quite alright. But in this situation for sure I am anti Jew. Not a bother.

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How did you get that from anything I've posted?

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...Well Miles, we're al entitled to our opinions but as we learned from Schmeling/Louis sometimes political views held by fighters are not as cut and dry as it may look from the outside.

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So you think Israel is in the right in this situation? LOL, I know my own views. I'm quite alright. But in this situation for sure I am anti Jew. Not a bother.

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How did you get that from anything I've posted?

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You did make suggestions about certain Nazi fighters. Regardless, I would like Foreman to lose. i won't deny it, I despise his government and want his system to suffer
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Originally Posted by miles

I hope Cotto beats the hell out of him. Why? The very word Israel upsets me these days. It will be funny to see Foreman dribble some teeth.

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You are hoping Foreman loses because he is Israeli? That's insulting and really qualifies for a neg rep Holmes.

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In this instance I do indeed hope he loses. Am I familar with his character? It's irrelevant, right now he is representing a terrorist state. I cannot and will not suport that. I hope Cotto busts him up. Simple as. The very flag upsets me. Israel brought it upon itself.[/QUOTE]


Suit yourself.

This is a boxing message board. I wonder does it also function as a political message board? Isn't there another section of this site where you can vent your political frustration? If there isn't, maybe there should be. I believe it's inappropriate in the context of a boxing message board. It makes sense in a political message board because people can pick and choose what threads they open, but when I open a boxing thread about Floyd Mayweather I don't want to read about the hate of black people. Likewise, when I open a thread about the Cotto-Foreman fight, I don't want to discuss the current geopolitcal situation in the middleeast. If condoned, I think it risks alienating posters like myself who come to this board to discuss boxing, not politics.

It could just be me though. I guess making statements about a fighter's nationality as the reason I want him to be physically injured just seems a little out of line to me. I can't imagine I personally would ever do it.

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...Well Miles, we're al entitled to our opinions but as we learned from Schmeling/Louis sometimes political views held by fighters are not as cut and dry as it may look from the outside.

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So you think Israel is in the right in this situation? LOL, I know my own views. I'm quite alright. But in this situation for sure I am anti Jew. Not a bother.

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How did you get that from anything I've posted?

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You did make suggestions about certain Nazi fighters. Regardless, I would like Foreman to lose. i won't deny it, I despise his government and want his system to suffer
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oh c`mon milo,i expect stereotyping from most people on here including myself, but you??:(:(

i hate muppets like crazy but i still ackowledge the awesomeness of cookie monster

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...Well Miles, we're al entitled to our opinions but as we learned from Schmeling/Louis sometimes political views held by fighters are not as cut and dry as it may look from the outside.

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So you think Israel is in the right in this situation? LOL, I know my own views. I'm quite alright. But in this situation for sure I am anti Jew. Not a bother.

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How did you get that from anything I've posted?

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You did make suggestions about certain Nazi fighters. Regardless, I would like Foreman to lose. i won't deny it, I despise his government and want his system to suffer
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Hmmm... Well then you missed the entire point I intended to make. The point was that although outwardly Schmeling was seen as the "Nazi" conquerer of the weak American when he had his first fight with Joe Louis, he was, in fact not a supporter of the Nazi party.

My point was one can not tell ones views simply by being geographically affiliated with them.

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I hope Cotto beats the hell out of him. Why? The very word Israel upsets me these days. It will be funny to see Foreman dribble some teeth.

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You are hoping Foreman loses because he is Israeli? That's insulting and really qualifies for a neg rep Holmes.

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In this instance I do indeed hope he loses. Am I familar with his character? It's irrelevant, right now he is representing a terrorist state. I cannot and will not suport that. I hope Cotto busts him up. Simple as. The very flag upsets me. Israel brought it upon itself.

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Suit yourself.

This is a boxing message board. I wonder does it also function as a political message board? Isn't there another section of this site where you can vent your political frustration? If there isn't, maybe there should be. I believe it's inappropriate in the context of a boxing message board. It makes sense in a political message board because people can pick and choose what threads they open, but when I open a boxing thread about Floyd Mayweather I don't want to read about the hate of black people. Likewise, when I open a thread about the Cotto-Foreman fight, I don't want to discuss the current geopolitcal situation in the middleeast. If condoned, I think it risks alienating posters like myself who come to this board to discuss boxing, not politics.

It could just be me though. I guess making statements about a fighter's nationality as the reason I want him to be physically injured just seems a little out of line to me. I can't imagine I personally would ever do it.

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I agree 100%, especially the bolded part. That is a fucking ridiculous thing to say. Especially, the "I hate despise his government (he currently lives in Brooklyn btw) and I want his system to suffer". How would Foreman losing a fight make any system suffer?

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...Well Miles, we're al entitled to our opinions but as we learned from Schmeling/Louis sometimes political views held by fighters are not as cut and dry as it may look from the outside.

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So you think Israel is in the right in this situation? LOL, I know my own views. I'm quite alright. But in this situation for sure I am anti Jew. Not a bother.

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How did you get that from anything I've posted?

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You did make suggestions about certain Nazi fighters. Regardless, I would like Foreman to lose. i won't deny it, I despise his government and want his system to suffer
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Hmmm... Well then you missed the entire point I intended to make. The point was that although outwardly Schmeling was seen as the "Nazi" conquerer of the weak American when he had his first fight with Joe Louis, he was, in fact not a supporter of the Nazi party.

My point was one can not tell ones views simply by being geographically affiliated with them.

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Word.

I agree with everything Rantcatrat posted. The main board is for talking about boxing, not for making political statements. The posts have been moved to this thread.

Hmm I think Miles is losing it, I hope he's not the next Derick Bird :-X


Also this kind of hate is so counter productive to any argument you have to make. I mean yesterday you said you wish you had beaten up the last Jew you met in Korea. Now you want this Jewish man to get knocked out and beaten brutally, all because of their mistreatment of those who bomb them?

How can you campaign against violence and hate by spewing violence and hate?

Come on Miles, I expected better from you. :-\

Also have a look at the hundreds of links I provided on the other thread.

I think we should separate the man from its State, the boxer from the Israelite. If Foreman would have said things like those on the boat did deserve to die, that's all another story but at the moment, I don't think that we should sentence the boxer and to give him such hate because the country where he comes from is losing it. If I would be a boxer, I would be very pissed off if peoples would hate me solely because I am Canadian and because what my Country has done, especially if I do not endorse its ideas.

Get a grip Miles :-\

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Originally Posted by CFH

I agree with everything Rantcatrat posted. The main board is for talking about boxing, not for making political statements. The posts have been moved to this thread.

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Thanks, Kind Sir. I appreciate it.

Miles,

Now you have a place to discuss the geopolitical dynamic of the Middle East.

I am happy to debate Foreman-the-boxer's chances against Cotto in the other thread if you have the inclination. You may find me there. I meant no disrespect.

Mazel Tov, Shalom and all that good stuff ;)

Ok, I'm just passing through quick today, but as strong as I feel about the Israeli situation (& I do feel they are a terrorist state who should face severe punishment for invading what was effectively Turkish soil in international waters), it is ridiculous that Yuri Foreman (who learnt to box as the only Jew alongside many Palestinians and Arabs) should have to deal with this hate, it's pathetic. I hope he beats Cotto now... and not only because of me & POB's bet.

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Ok, I'm just passing through quick today, but as strong as I feel about the Israeli situation (& I do feel they are a terrorist state who should face severe punishment for invading what was effectively Turkish soil in international waters), it is ridiculous that Yuri Foreman (who learnt to box as the only Jew alongside many Palestinians and Arabs) should have to deal with this hate, it's pathetic. I hope he beats Cotto now... and not only because of me & POB's bet.

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To be fair, I've only seen one person acting that way here, though I am sure there are more elsewhere.

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Ok, I'm just passing through quick today, but as strong as I feel about the Israeli situation (& I do feel they are a terrorist state who should face severe punishment for invading what was effectively Turkish soil in international waters), it is ridiculous that Yuri Foreman (who learnt to box as the only Jew alongside many Palestinians and Arabs) should have to deal with this hate, it's pathetic. I hope he beats Cotto now... and not only because of me & POB's bet.

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To be fair, I've only seen one person acting that way here, though I am sure there are more elsewhere.

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Even one person, who is a respected forum member, behaving that way is embarassing.

Yeah! Damn straight, i don't know what your talking about but i hate terrorism! ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND!


















There should be some interesting responses to this. ;D

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Ok, I'm just passing through quick today, but as strong as I feel about the Israeli situation (& I do feel they are a terrorist state who should face severe punishment for invading what was effectively Turkish soil in international waters), it is ridiculous that Yuri Foreman (who learnt to box as the only Jew alongside many Palestinians and Arabs) should have to deal with this hate, it's pathetic. I hope he beats Cotto now... and not only because of me & POB's bet.

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To be fair, I've only seen one person acting that way here, though I am sure there are more elsewhere.

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Even one person, who is a respected forum member, behaving that way is embarassing.

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I don't disagree with that, I just don't think there is any broad undercurrent of hatred being directed towards Foreman in any significant way as a result of his Jewish background.

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Yeah! Damn straight, i don't know what your talking about but i hate terrorism! ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND!


















There should be some interesting responses to this. ;D

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It's amazing that someone can reach HTH levels of irrelevance so quickly. Very impressive :p.

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Yeah! Damn straight, i don't know what your talking about but i hate terrorism! ENGLAND ENGLAND ENGLAND!




















There should be some interesting responses to this. ;D

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It's amazing that someone can reach HTH levels of irrelevance so quickly. Very impressive :p.

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I think you mean ENGLAND ARE THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME AND GET THEM DAMN JOB STEALING TERRORISTS OUT! :)

Anyone heard anything about Bin London?

A man needs to make a fight interesting even if it isn't interesting on its own terms. The 'good versus evil' tagline is one to get me motivated for this one. I don't care if it makes me look anti-semitic, I want a thorough beatdown.

I know it's all a bit strong, but it will be fun to see Cotto bust him up. I really had no interest in this fight until about 24 hours ago. It's become much more interesting now. The Israeli flag has for me become the new Swastika. A symbol of repression and hate.

On paper it's a bit of a dull fight, but adding a bit of politics makes it far more relevant (for me).

....and Miles has become the new Hitler.

I know you're trying to conjure up strong reactions but moving it to the point of racism isn't cool Miles no matter how you justify it in your own head. Foreman is a nice guy.

No racism isn't cool and I know that. A week ago I didn't really care who won this fight and now I have someone to root for. It's as simple as that, you need to support someone in a fight. Foreman might well be a nice guy, but so is Cotto and he isn't training to be a rabbi. Cotto wins.

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I know it's all a bit strong, but it will be fun to see Cotto bust him up. I really had no interest in this fight until about 24 hours ago. It's become much more interesting now. The Israeli flag has for me become the new Swastika. A symbol of repression and hate.

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I feel strongly about the Palestinian situation, I've taken several courses on it because of that interest, but you're just being an asshole with that statement. Not that it surprises me all that much. I hope you just don't have any idea how offensive that would be to any Jewish members of this forum, but I suspect that is not the case. Israel, while a repressive state, isn't even in the same universe as Nazi Germany and only an idiot would think that it was.

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I know it's all a bit strong, but it will be fun to see Cotto bust him up. I really had no interest in this fight until about 24 hours ago. It's become much more interesting now. The Israeli flag has for me become the new Swastika. A symbol of repression and hate.

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I feel strongly about the Palestinian situation, I've taken several courses on it because of that interest, but you're just being an asshole with that statement. Not that it surprises me all that much. I hope you just don't have any idea how offensive that would be to any Jewish members of this forum, but I suspect that is not the case. Israel, while a repressive state, isn't even in the same universe as Nazi Germany and only an idiot would think that it was.

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I'm quite aware of how verbose my statement was, but Israel is currently in the process of ethnically cleansing a region. They have their own huge concentration camp of people. There are obvious parallels to be made. A lunatic state can be compared with other lunatic states.

Mayo and Turkey on flatbread is delicious. That is all.

I fight ninjas in my dreams... To be go honest it's a bit of a mismatch... Me, a 200lb 6"1' dude and them being.... Ninjas. I never win. How is this relevent? It is't. You're welcome.

I'm not comparing Sweden to Nazi Germany because Sweden holds itself up to pretty decent standards. Israel time and again shows itself as a rogue state.

I will concede that I have been a bit mean regarding Foreman. He might well be a lovely chap, but when it comes to this fight I hope Cotto does a number on him. It's petty and trite, but that's the way I am feeling. Honestly, a week ago I couldn't care less who won, but this is my way of getting into things.

I'm tired of all this US-Israel-Foreman stuff now. It's worn me out and I don't care about it that much anyway. Everyone is calling me Hitler and an arsehole and I don't like that too much. It's just a silly boxing match. It's not exactly Louis/Schmeling and of course fighters don't neccessarily reflect the views of the political elite anyway.

I'm going to go and have a rest.

And a final point, I am very much the anti Hitler. I rail against fascism everyday on this site and I rail against what Israel does because what they do is inhumane, it's that simple. I am sometimes prone to making arrogant angry statements though which might make me seem like an arse to some, but I am really quite lovely.

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I fight ninjas in my dreams... To be go honest it's a bit of a mismatch... Me, a 200lb 6"1' dude and them being.... Ninjas. I never win. How is this relevent? It is't. You're welcome.

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I think I love you
So what am I so afraid of?
I'm afraid that I'm not sure of
A love there is no cure for

I went for a walk and the sun is shining and people are going about their business. It's all rather nice. As a result my head has cleared and my internal rage has subsided somewhat.

I take back any negative comments I may have made about Yuri Foreman. I can't really hate on any fighter other than Amir Khan. It's just not fair. I guess I just got rather upset by the flotilla attack and went on the warpath. The red mist behind the eyes and all of that. I still hope that Cotto wins and I hope that Foreman doesn't lose any teeth. Knowing my picks this probably means Foreman wins by decision. I can live with that.

Lol what the fuck has happened to Miles? ;D