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Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
So this started on another thread and I was wondering what the rest of the forum thought about a fight between Cotto and Angulo.
It would be a great fight but I think Angulo would end this one by TKO. Too much preasure, too much size, too many flashback!!
What do you guys think?
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Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
I see this fight going the same way as the Margarito fight. Cotto winning big the first half of the fight then Angulo eventually landing more and more. I can't see Cotto keeping him off of him the entire fight.
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C-Lo
I see this fight going the same way as the Margarito fight. Cotto winning big the first half of the fight then Angulo eventually landing more and more. I can't see Cotto keeping him off of him the entire fight.
Especially as Angulo is bigger then Margarito...I hope he doesnt take that fight but it would be good while it lasts.
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Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
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ElTerribleMorales
if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
I have to give Cintron props because he did make him look very bad, but I think alot of that had to do with the reach of Cintron and obviously the punching power. Two things that Cotto doesnt carry much of in this division. I dont see Julio fight the same way you do, while he was certainly hanging tough Julio was getting hit with some very clean shots for the entire fight and while he made it far he is also bigger than Cotto and could absorb more than what a very beat up forward can take from the bigger man.
While he looked good against Foreman you knmow very well that Foreman's shots dont have much snap thats why that fight was choosen.
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C-Lo
I see this fight going the same way as the Margarito fight. Cotto winning big the first half of the fight then Angulo eventually landing more and more. I can't see Cotto keeping him off of him the entire fight.
My first thought would be that Cotto boxes his way to a UD. Angulo is the definition of limited and one-dimensional, but I think you make a very good point about the Margarito fight. Cotto won't be able to hurt Angulo (if Cintron couldn't, Cotto won't) and his stamina would probably let him down in the end.
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ElTerribleMorales
if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
I have to give Cintron props because he did make him look very bad, but I think alot of that had to do with the reach of Cintron and obviously the punching power. Two things that Cotto doesnt carry much of in this division. I dont see Julio fight the same way you do, while he was certainly hanging tough Julio was getting hit with some very clean shots for the entire fight and while he made it far he is also bigger than Cotto and could absorb more than what a very beat up forward can take from the bigger man.
While he looked good against Foreman you knmow very well that Foreman's shots dont have much snap thats why that fight was choosen.
how can you say Cotto's power wasn't carried up to 154? first off you can't really base it on just that fight, and if you want to just base it on that fight, Cotto was staggering Foreman with just his double jabs, and solid rights
Cintron might have better reach but Cotto has overall better skills and movement, if he's as patient as he was against Foreman i don't see Cotto tiring and boxing circles around Angulo
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Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
This was the first fight that came to mind when watching Cotto beat Foreman the other night.
Regardless of how low some poeple rate Angulo, I think it would be a great great all action fight and Angulo would have a chance of wearing Cotto down late.
By the 12th round Angulo had Cintron practically out on his feet.
I'll pick Cotto to out box him, and I am def not an Angulo fan, but their styles would make for a great fight and Angulo would have a much better shot than what some hard headed people on this forum are giving him.
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Let's not act like Angulo is automatically as good of a fighter as Margarito. Margarito beat Cintron twice while Angulo lost even if he was coming on at the end, for fighters of the same style you can kind of draw off that.
Cotto to me didn't look as good as I hoped he would.
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class wise, cotto takes it but then again, angulo hits too hard to be dismissed by any 154lber. like someone already alluded to, cotto will build up a nice impressive lead but i see angulo getting stronger as the fight goes on and takes cotto to very deep waters. can cotto survive? that remains to be seen but i definitely give angulo a great chance of beating cotto!
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amat
Let's not act like Angulo is automatically as good of a fighter as Margarito. Margarito beat Cintron twice while Angulo lost even if he was coming on at the end, for fighters of the same style you can kind of draw off that.
Cotto to me didn't look as good as I hoped he would.
How good is Margarito? Even if you're a Margarito fan we don't know how long he used plaster. He even still says he never knew. If true, then the wraps had to have felt normal to him with drying plaster in them. So that could've been the norm. 2 fights we know he didn't and he looked like crap in one losing by bad TKO and the other he looked average or so. I think we need to see more of Margarito. He may very well have been boosted by cheating the whole time. I mean this is the same guy who before he got caught with the plaster had broken one fighters eye socket, nearly torn off another fighter's ear, and had Cotto bleeding from his eyes, nose, mouth, and ears. Even if you're the most naive guy in the world you have to see that this is abnormal and highly suspicious.
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I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.
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Point taken. I do agree that Cotto should outbox Angulo but I only worry about how much does Cotto have left. He does have quite the mileage and maybe Angulo would be the benefactor of a overridden horse. But if Cotto is even 85% of his best he should be able to go 12 good rounds of hit and miss with Angulo.
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Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
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ElTerribleMorales
if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
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amat
I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.
This match-up turns on whether Cotto can still take a punch and how easily he cuts. Angulo knows only one way to fight or as El Terrible says: he is one dimensional. However, Angulo can drop bombs and I'm not sure Cotto can withstand them. Even against Foreman who is not a puncher in any sense of the word, a few of his straight right hands seemed to affect Cotto, imagine if an Angulo right hand managed its way in there?
Pre-Margarito/Pacquiao Cotto - I'd give Cotto the nod. Now, I like Angulo to steamroll through him. Stopping in the mid-late rounds.
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I have Cotto by UD or late stoppage
Yes Angulo came on late vs Cintron BUT Kermit did 0 work to the body and I think with Miguel outboxing him and landing solid to the body Angulo has little chance to catch a second wind and for a pressure fighter I feel Angulo lacks a lot in the "sense of urgency" department....if you're a true pressure fighter it's your job to wear down your opponent and win rounds doing so....vs Cintron Angulo had no sense of urgency until it was too late. Say what you will about Cotto but he wants to win every single round and usually he does it or takes more out of his opponent than is taken out of him.
Either way Miguel boxing and the work to the body are keys
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ElTerribleMorales
if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
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Originally Posted by
amat
I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.
This match-up turns on whether Cotto can still take a punch and how easily he cuts. Angulo knows only one way to fight or as
El Terrible says: he is one dimensional. However, Angulo can drop bombs and I'm not sure Cotto can withstand them.
Even against Foreman who is not a puncher in any sense of the word, a few of his straight right hands seemed to affect Cotto, imagine if an Angulo right hand managed its way in there?
Pre-Margarito/Pacquiao Cotto - I'd give Cotto the nod. Now, I like Angulo to steamroll through him. Stopping in the mid-late rounds.
he looked more surprised than anything, Foreman's best shot was the straight right in around the 5th, and Cotto didn't wobble, wasn't stunned or anything, Angulo has power, but he's no one punch ko artist by any means, most of his wins against decent opposition have come down the stretch, IMO with superior movement and his effective counter punching, Cotto will basically circle Angulo while popping off the jab and counter him to the body and upstairs
another thing about Angulo is he doesn't use his height, he fights slouched, basically losing any height or reach advantage he'd normally have, and he's not really one to throw straight shots, i'd pick Cotto UD or late stoppage
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Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
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ElTerribleMorales
if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
Cotto can easily make Angulo look bad but I have a hard time seeing Cotto's chin keeping up. If 154 is a better weight for Cotto than maybe his stamina will last. Also, having Emmanuel Steward in the corner is only going to be a plus so there are a bunch of variables that can change my mind.
You know what, we all know Angulo has one hell of a chin but someone mentioned it earlier, how would he deal with Cotto's body shots. I don't know, now i'm going back and forth with this fight. I'll just leave me final verdict as a toss up fight...
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Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
Cotto outboxes him to a decision and I also think he puts a few dents in Angulo.
He either stuns him or hurts him to the body int he fight...
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Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
cotto will beat the bircks of this guy, hes way to strong for him, angulo will eat to many hard punches, hes not readdy for cotto
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ElTerribleMorales
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Rantcatrat
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ElTerribleMorales
if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
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Originally Posted by
amat
I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.
This match-up turns on whether Cotto can still take a punch and how easily he cuts. Angulo knows only one way to fight or as
El Terrible says: he is one dimensional. However, Angulo can drop bombs and I'm not sure Cotto can withstand them.
Even against Foreman who is not a puncher in any sense of the word, a few of his straight right hands seemed to affect Cotto, imagine if an Angulo right hand managed its way in there?
Pre-Margarito/Pacquiao Cotto - I'd give Cotto the nod. Now, I like Angulo to steamroll through him. Stopping in the mid-late rounds.
he looked more surprised than anything, Foreman's best shot was the straight right in around the 5th, and Cotto didn't wobble, wasn't stunned or anything, Angulo has power, but
he's no one punch ko artist by any means, most of his wins against decent opposition have come down the stretch, IMO with superior movement and his effective counter punching, Cotto will basically circle Angulo while popping off the jab and counter him to the body and upstairs
another thing about Angulo is he doesn't use his height, he fights slouched, basically losing any height or reach advantage he'd normally have, and he's not really one to throw straight shots, i'd pick Cotto UD or late stoppage
Cotto should win this fight by outboxing him but Angulo definitely has one punch ko power. Watch his clips of some of his earlier fights. Even his last two fights he KO'd Julio and Yorgey with one punch.
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cotto way to strong for angulo? lol...hardly. remember, cotto is going to be the naturally smaller guy. cotto might be able to outbox angulo but do you really think cotto can take angulo's punches for 12 rounds.? he might be able to but it's going to be tough cause if cotto thought margarito hit hard and came forward, he's going to get the same dose from an even bigger angulo.
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Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
Total flip flop in styles with Angulo compared to Foreman.As well as blunt usage of natural size and time campaigned at weight.Good news for Cotto is that IF he has retained his legs over time and ability to box he can play window washer on face first and somewhat unimaginative Angulo for awhile...bad news is from what I've seen as of late he has not and will have to fight Angulo off as it deepens and as exchanges grow.Shot for shot I just dont see Cotto out dueling Angulo and can see Angulos deceptively accurate inside shots taxing Cotto tremendously.Both can be cut up but while Angulo shows feet of led at times I dont think Cotto can field his best incoming and keep his legs.He dont have the freshness,fight or flight mentality nor the range of Cintron.And Cintron does not have Cottos heart and fighters instinct.He'll have to trade at some point and I go with Angulo coming from behind to tko Cotto.
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ElTerribleMorales
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Rantcatrat
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ElTerribleMorales
if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
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Originally Posted by
amat
I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.
This match-up turns on whether Cotto can still take a punch and how easily he cuts. Angulo knows only one way to fight or as
El Terrible says: he is one dimensional. However, Angulo can drop bombs and I'm not sure Cotto can withstand them.
Even against Foreman who is not a puncher in any sense of the word, a few of his straight right hands seemed to affect Cotto, imagine if an Angulo right hand managed its way in there?
Pre-Margarito/Pacquiao Cotto - I'd give Cotto the nod. Now, I like Angulo to steamroll through him. Stopping in the mid-late rounds.
he looked more surprised than anything, Foreman's best shot was the straight right in around the 5th, and Cotto didn't wobble, wasn't stunned or anything, Angulo has power, but
he's no one punch ko artist by any means, most of his wins against decent opposition have come down the stretch, IMO with superior movement and his effective counter punching, Cotto will basically circle Angulo while popping off the jab and counter him to the body and upstairs
another thing about Angulo is he doesn't use his height, he fights slouched, basically losing any height or reach advantage he'd normally have, and he's not really one to throw straight shots, i'd pick Cotto UD or late stoppage
Cotto should win this fight by outboxing him but Angulo definitely has one punch ko power. Watch his clips of some of his earlier fights. Even his last two fights he KO'd Julio and Yorgey with one punch.
he didn't KO Julio with ONE shot, he wore him down and caught him late while he was tiring, most of Angulo's early opponents still work 9 to 5, i'm not saying he doesn't have heavy hands, i just don't think he has power like Gomez, Tyson, Foreman, Trinidad, Freitas, Carbajal, etc., where the first shot he lands can end it
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This fight he clearly landed only one punch to end it. One right hand on Julio and Julio was down for the count. If it happened in the 9th round doesn't mean it wasn't a one punch KO. Julio and Cintron, who both rely on power, weren't willing to trade with Angulo and chose to box for a very good reason. Who goes around KOing everybody in the 1st like Mike Tyson? Thats extremely rare power. But its undeniable that Angulo has one punch KO power. Go back over his fights.
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blegit
This fight he clearly landed only one punch to end it. One right hand on Julio and Julio was down for the count. If it happened in the 9th round doesn't mean it wasn't a one punch KO. Julio and Cintron, who both rely on power, weren't willing to trade with Angulo and chose to box for a very good reason. Who goes around KOing everybody in the 1st like Mike Tyson? Thats extremely rare power. But its undeniable that Angulo has one punch KO power. Go back over his fights.
fact is Julio was already worn down, if you wanna go by that Mayweather Ko'd Hatton with a one punch KO :rolleyes:, fatigue had already set in when Julio got stopped
like i said, who of note has Angulo stopped aside from Julio (which Kirkland had already done)?
and back to the main focus of the thread, Cotto is a better technical fighter than both Julio and Cintron, leading to my pick that he'd completely school Angulo, especially when he's completely one dimensional and vastly unproven
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ElTerribleMorales
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blegit
This fight he clearly landed only one punch to end it. One right hand on Julio and Julio was down for the count. If it happened in the 9th round doesn't mean it wasn't a one punch KO. Julio and Cintron, who both rely on power, weren't willing to trade with Angulo and chose to box for a very good reason. Who goes around KOing everybody in the 1st like Mike Tyson? Thats extremely rare power. But its undeniable that Angulo has one punch KO power. Go back over his fights.
fact is Julio was already worn down, if you wanna go by that Mayweather Ko'd Hatton with a one punch KO :rolleyes:,
fatigue had already set in when Julio got stopped
like i said, who of note has Angulo stopped aside from Julio (which Kirkland had already done)?
and back to the main focus of the thread, Cotto is a better technical fighter than both Julio and Cintron, leading to my pick that he'd completely school Angulo, especially when he's completely one dimensional and vastly unproven
I would argue that Cotto would probably get winded and go down in the same way if they fought hence the outcome would be the same. Cotto wont trade with him, he's bigger and will be alot heavier then he is, so he's gonna move around spend energy and then be very susceptible to a KO from being worn out.
Cotto did get hit by some shots that Foreman threw at him and while Cotto took the shot it was coming from one of the lighter hitting fighters in that division, Angulo is on the other end of that spectrum. Lastly Cotto best not tangle with Angulo inside as Angulo throws some big short shots and would ruin Cotto faster that way then if he tried to outbox him before the gas tank runs out.
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C-Lo
I see this fight going the same way as the Margarito fight. Cotto winning big the first half of the fight then Angulo eventually landing more and more. I can't see Cotto keeping him off of him the entire fight.
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OnixAA
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ElTerribleMorales
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blegit
This fight he clearly landed only one punch to end it. One right hand on Julio and Julio was down for the count. If it happened in the 9th round doesn't mean it wasn't a one punch KO. Julio and Cintron, who both rely on power, weren't willing to trade with Angulo and chose to box for a very good reason. Who goes around KOing everybody in the 1st like Mike Tyson? Thats extremely rare power. But its undeniable that Angulo has one punch KO power. Go back over his fights.
fact is Julio was already worn down, if you wanna go by that Mayweather Ko'd Hatton with a one punch KO :rolleyes:,
fatigue had already set in when Julio got stopped
like i said, who of note has Angulo stopped aside from Julio (which Kirkland had already done)?
and back to the main focus of the thread, Cotto is a better technical fighter than both Julio and Cintron, leading to my pick that he'd completely school Angulo, especially when he's completely one dimensional and vastly unproven
I would argue that Cotto would probably get winded and go down in the same way if they fought hence the outcome would be the same. Cotto wont trade with him, he's bigger and will be alot heavier then he is, so he's gonna move around spend energy and then be very susceptible to a KO from being worn out.
Cotto did get hit by some shots that Foreman threw at him and while Cotto took the shot it was coming from one of the lighter hitting fighters in that division, Angulo is on the other end of that spectrum. Lastly Cotto best not tangle with Angulo inside as Angulo throws some big short shots and would ruin Cotto faster that way then if he tried to outbox him before the gas tank runs out.
Cotto only tired down against Margarito cause of the broken nose, it's not like he has bad stamina, i'm not saying he has Mayweather or Pacquiao like stamina but IMO he'll beat Angulo easily, people are giving him (Angulo) more credit than he actually deserves
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ElTerribleMorales
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OnixAA
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ElTerribleMorales
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blegit
This fight he clearly landed only one punch to end it. One right hand on Julio and Julio was down for the count. If it happened in the 9th round doesn't mean it wasn't a one punch KO. Julio and Cintron, who both rely on power, weren't willing to trade with Angulo and chose to box for a very good reason. Who goes around KOing everybody in the 1st like Mike Tyson? Thats extremely rare power. But its undeniable that Angulo has one punch KO power. Go back over his fights.
fact is Julio was already worn down, if you wanna go by that Mayweather Ko'd Hatton with a one punch KO :rolleyes:,
fatigue had already set in when Julio got stopped
like i said, who of note has Angulo stopped aside from Julio (which Kirkland had already done)?
and back to the main focus of the thread, Cotto is a better technical fighter than both Julio and Cintron, leading to my pick that he'd completely school Angulo, especially when he's completely one dimensional and vastly unproven
I would argue that Cotto would probably get winded and go down in the same way if they fought hence the outcome would be the same. Cotto wont trade with him, he's bigger and will be alot heavier then he is, so he's gonna move around spend energy and then be very susceptible to a KO from being worn out.
Cotto did get hit by some shots that Foreman threw at him and while Cotto took the shot it was coming from one of the lighter hitting fighters in that division, Angulo is on the other end of that spectrum. Lastly Cotto best not tangle with Angulo inside as Angulo throws some big short shots and would ruin Cotto faster that way then if he tried to outbox him before the gas tank runs out.
Cotto only tired down against Margarito cause of the broken nose, it's not like he has bad stamina, i'm not saying he has Mayweather or Pacquiao like stamina but IMO he'll beat Angulo easily, people are giving him (Angulo) more credit than he actually deserves
Win or lose, it would be a good fight. If Cotto did want to make a statement in the division thats probably as high up on the food chain as he should go the other guys are too big.
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honestly don't see how anyone can say that with dire certainty when we haven't seen anything to indicate that, Foreman was bigger, had the longer reach, and although he lacks power, Cotto was still able to get his shots off and beat Foreman to the punch, and that's that Yuri is one of the faster guys at 154, Cotto's not slow and he has awesome timing, IMO the only guy that beats Cotto for sure is Martinez, cause even Williams gets hit too much and doesn't use his natural size advantages against smaller guys, if Quintana and Martinez (both smaller guys) were able to time and counter Williams, i'd give Cotto (a very effective switch hitter) a 50/50 chance against him
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Totally agree with that ElTerrible, but I will say the only other guy at 154 that I would be nervous for Cotto to fight is James Kirkland.
But I've read some stuff from Dan Rafael where he said Kirkland and his trainer Anne Wolfe are on bad terms and that may have a negative effect on his career....that and his trouble with the law
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OnixAA
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ElTerribleMorales
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blegit
This fight he clearly landed only one punch to end it. One right hand on Julio and Julio was down for the count. If it happened in the 9th round doesn't mean it wasn't a one punch KO. Julio and Cintron, who both rely on power, weren't willing to trade with Angulo and chose to box for a very good reason. Who goes around KOing everybody in the 1st like Mike Tyson? Thats extremely rare power. But its undeniable that Angulo has one punch KO power. Go back over his fights.
fact is Julio was already worn down, if you wanna go by that Mayweather Ko'd Hatton with a one punch KO :rolleyes:,
fatigue had already set in when Julio got stopped
like i said, who of note has Angulo stopped aside from Julio (which Kirkland had already done)?
and back to the main focus of the thread, Cotto is a better technical fighter than both Julio and Cintron, leading to my pick that he'd completely school Angulo, especially when he's completely one dimensional and vastly unproven
I would argue that Cotto would probably get winded and go down in the same way if they fought hence the outcome would be the same. Cotto wont trade with him, he's bigger and will be alot heavier then he is, so he's gonna move around spend energy and then be very susceptible to a KO from being worn out.
Cotto did get hit by some shots that Foreman threw at him and while Cotto took the shot it was coming from one of the lighter hitting fighters in that division, Angulo is on the other end of that spectrum. Lastly Cotto best not tangle with Angulo inside as Angulo throws some big short shots and would ruin Cotto faster that way then if he tried to outbox him before the gas tank runs out.
Cotto only tired down against Margarito cause of the broken nose, it's not like he has bad stamina, i'm not saying he has Mayweather or Pacquiao like stamina but IMO he'll beat Angulo easily,
people are giving him (Angulo) more credit than he actually deserves
Not true. At least not for me. I like any of the other top guys at 154 over Angulo: Dzinziruk, Martinez, Williams, even Spinks although I would pick Angulo over Cintron in a rematch.
With Cotto v. Angulo, two things stick out to me. First, in all of his illustrious career, Cotto had the most trouble against a one dimensional, pressure fighter in Margarito. Styles make fights. Granted, over the first 4-5 rounds, he outboxed Margarito, and I can see Cotto outboxing Angulo over the first half of the fight, but Angulo's style is very comparable to Margarito, and I believe that Angulo would own the second half of the fight, just like Margarito did against Cotto.
This brings me to my second point. Cotto's loss to Margarito (which I think being truthful with ourselves we can attribute to Margarito's cheating) took a lot out of him. I honestly believe that. Add on the devestating knockout loss to Pacquiao and Cotto looks a little shopworn. Now take a somewhat shopworn Cotto who had problems with a bigger, pressure fighter in Margarito, and put him in with Angulo who is a true junior middleweight and who actually is bigger and punches harder than Margarito, and to me that spells t-r-o-u-b-l-e for Cotto.
Bottom line: if Cotto couldn't sustain Margarito's pressure when he wasn't somewhat shopworn, how can he sustain Angulo's when he is somewhat shopworn?
El Terrible, if we haven't agreed yet, let's do it now, if this fight happens, Sig Bet all day my man. Put your money where your mouth is. Out of curiousity, how would you feel about a Cotto v. Dzinziruk matchup?
Lastly, let me be clear, I am a big Cotto fan. I think he is a tremendous fighter and I want him to go out like the champion he is. I'd like to see him score a huge pay day against Chavez Jr. if he beats Duddy and then retire.
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you're on, and that's assuming Angulo gets by Alcine (which he should), IMO Cotto isn't fading as bad as most make it out, i think it was more a case of confidence and having a good team in his corner (which he now does have)
going back to the Margarito fight, i strongly feel Margarito cheated against Cotto, so i find it highly doubtful that Angulo is going to able to hit harder than a Margarito with bricks in his gloves, nobody has taken Angulo to the body, so a real question is, can Angulo take the type of body shots that Cotto landed on Foreman?
against Dzinziruk i think it'd be a chess match for the most part, IMO Dzinziruk doesn't pack much power but is very technically sound, but again his fight with Santos was pretty damn close and had it not been for the KD i think it would have been a draw, i rate Cotto (even at this stage) a lot higher than i ever rated Santos, and i could see it playing out to a repeat of Foreman/Cotto, only difference is it goes the distance
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you're on, and that's assuming Angulo gets by Alcine (which he should), IMO Cotto isn't fading as bad as most make it out, i think it was more a case of confidence and having a good team in his corner (which he now does have)
going back to the Margarito fight, i strongly feel Margarito cheated against Cotto, so i find it highly doubtful that Angulo is going to able to hit harder than a Margarito with bricks in his gloves, nobody has taken Angulo to the body, so a real question is, can Angulo take the type of body shots that Cotto landed on Foreman?
against Dzinziruk i think it'd be a chess match for the most part, IMO Dzinziruk doesn't pack much power but is very technically sound, but again his fight with Santos was pretty damn close and had it not been for the KD i think it would have been a draw, i rate Cotto (even at this stage) a lot higher than i ever rated Santos, and i could see it playing out to a repeat of Foreman/Cotto, only difference is it goes the distance
Both of the bolded statements are completely possible. I don't agree, but they could be correct. We'll sig bet if the fight happens.
So, the only two boxers you think could beat Cotto are Martinez and Williams?
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Lastly, let me be clear, I am a big Cotto fan. I think he is a tremendous fighter and I want him to go out like the champion he is. I'd like to see him score a huge pay day against Chavez Jr. if he beats Duddy and then retire.
I can appreciate that you're a big Cotto fan. But again... fighting a Chavez Jr., who has done absolutely NOTHING to warrant a shot at a Cotto, would be a questionable career move for Cotto. However, IF and WHEN that were to happen, I'm pretty sure that Cotto's body shots, superior boxing skills, and warrior mentality will crush Junior and retire him for good.
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Lastly, let me be clear, I am a big Cotto fan. I think he is a tremendous fighter and I want him to go out like the champion he is. I'd like to see him score a huge pay day against Chavez Jr. if he beats Duddy and then retire.
I can appreciate that you're a big Cotto fan. But again... fighting a Chavez Jr., who has done absolutely NOTHING to warrant a shot at a Cotto, would be a questionable career move for Cotto. However, IF and WHEN that were to happen, I'm pretty sure that Cotto's body shots, superior boxing skills, and warrior mentality will crush Junior and retire him for good.
Hey my friend! How did we ended talking about Chavez Jr. here :confused: Agree, the only thing that Jr. can add to that fight is the last name and a nice KO win for Cotto.
A fight with Angulo would be a very interesting action fight. I guess Cotto will need to use his boxing skills, trying to punch hard early to gain some respect, and be ready for a hell of pressure for 12 rounds. But, I think Cotto should win a decision at the end of the night.
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Lastly, let me be clear, I am a big Cotto fan. I think he is a tremendous fighter and I want him to go out like the champion he is. I'd like to see him score a huge pay day against Chavez Jr. if he beats Duddy and then retire.
I can appreciate that you're a big Cotto fan. But again... fighting a Chavez Jr., who has done absolutely NOTHING to warrant a shot at a Cotto, would be a questionable career move for Cotto. However, IF and WHEN that were to happen, I'm pretty sure that Cotto's body shots, superior boxing skills, and warrior mentality will crush Junior and retire him for good.
But Cotto would make a big pay check on a relatively low risk fight, the Mexico Vs. PR rivalry would be back in full swing and he would make some bucks.
Cotto deserves an easy fight and to make money I feel at this point.
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Lastly, let me be clear, I am a big Cotto fan. I think he is a tremendous fighter and I want him to go out like the champion he is. I'd like to see him score a huge pay day against Chavez Jr. if he beats Duddy and then retire.
I can appreciate that you're a big Cotto fan. But again... fighting a Chavez Jr., who has done absolutely NOTHING to warrant a shot at a Cotto, would be a questionable career move for Cotto. However, IF and WHEN that were to happen, I'm pretty sure that Cotto's body shots, superior boxing skills, and warrior mentality will crush Junior and retire him for good.
But Cotto would make a big pay check on a relatively low risk fight, the Mexico Vs. PR rivalry would be back in full swing and he would make some bucks.
Cotto deserves an easy fight and to make money I feel at this point.
That's exactly my point, Onix. Good call. Cotto hasn't been in an easy fight since Jennings. Pacquiao, Margarito, Clottey, Foreman. Chavez Jr. would be a big money fight and in my opinion relatively low risk.
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Lastly, let me be clear, I am a big Cotto fan. I think he is a tremendous fighter and I want him to go out like the champion he is. I'd like to see him score a huge pay day against Chavez Jr. if he beats Duddy and then retire.
I can appreciate that you're a big Cotto fan. But again... fighting a Chavez Jr., who has done absolutely NOTHING to warrant a shot at a Cotto, would be a questionable career move for Cotto. However, IF and WHEN that were to happen, I'm pretty sure that Cotto's body shots, superior boxing skills, and warrior mentality will crush Junior and retire him for good.
But Cotto would make a big pay check on a relatively low risk fight, the Mexico Vs. PR rivalry would be back in full swing and he would make some bucks.
Cotto deserves an easy fight and to make money I feel at this point.
That's exactly my point, Onix. Good call. Cotto hasn't been in an easy fight since Jennings. Pacquiao, Margarito, Clottey, Foreman. Chavez Jr. would be a big money fight and in my opinion relatively low risk.
All good points... and Cotto DOES deserve a relatively easy fight at this point in time. However, Cotto is no spring chicken, and he doesn't have all the time in the world. He clearly said he wants the big names. I'm not sure Chavez Jr. qualifies in that regard, but if he WERE to fight him, I'd line up some big names for Cotto to close out his magnificent career. I may be in the minority here, but I think a rematch with Pacquiao, with Emanuel now firmly in Cotto's corner, could end up surprising a lot of people.
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Lastly, let me be clear, I am a big Cotto fan. I think he is a tremendous fighter and I want him to go out like the champion he is. I'd like to see him score a huge pay day against Chavez Jr. if he beats Duddy and then retire.
I can appreciate that you're a big Cotto fan. But again... fighting a Chavez Jr., who has done absolutely NOTHING to warrant a shot at a Cotto, would be a questionable career move for Cotto. However, IF and WHEN that were to happen, I'm pretty sure that Cotto's body shots, superior boxing skills, and warrior mentality will crush Junior and retire him for good.
Hey my friend! How did we ended talking about Chavez Jr. here :confused: Agree, the only thing that Jr. can add to that fight is the last name and a nice KO win for Cotto.
A fight with Angulo would be a very interesting action fight. I guess Cotto will need to use his boxing skills, trying to punch hard early to gain some respect, and be ready for a hell of pressure for 12 rounds. But, I think Cotto should win a decision at the end of the night.
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I firmly believe that the new and improved Cotto, with Emanuel Steward calling the shots in his corner, would have an excellent chance of beating Angulo, maybe even by TKO. I'd love to see him fight Berto, also... 'cause I'm not on Berto's bandwagon and I think Cotto's experience, boxing skills, and power would prove too much for Berto to handle. Berto beat a Carlos Quintana who I've never been completely sold on in the first place... and that's about it.