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The logic of some posters kills me.....
I have to say the logic that some guys use to dis-credit a fighter is amusing...I wonder if posting they were either Drunk, hit their head, haters or just have zero idea what they are speaking of....
I mean I love how a fighter can be just about perfect and beat every fighter there was to beat and some clown will say something like..."He was 3 minutes late arriving at an arena one time he never took the sport serious"....A bit exaggerated yes but still not a far cry from some of the things I have seen.....This came to me in another running thread at the moment with some of the replies there.....
It is not even when dis-crediting a fighter but even when trying to boost a fighter some logic has been outrageous....Some of my favorites about a few fighters over time I have read here...Somew about guys I like to watch some about ones I hate either way the logic is just silly....
PBF- Has a glass chin because he was rocked against JLC....He did not defend his WW title because it was not worth the money....Floyd's returned to the sport because he wanted to clean up the sport......Floyd is scared of Manny....
Lucian Bute- He only wins because he is at home...It is easier to get a KO at home :confused:.....he showed in the first Andrade fight stamina is an issue (one time in his career after a tough bout he was dominating and he never gassed a single time ever so this means he has zero stamina).....
Pacquiao- He has to be on steroids because he refused the test when Floyd wanted it....He is not durable because he has been stopped before (though the fact he was 17 and 19 at 105lbs means nothing has changed since then)...Pacquiao is over rated because he lost to Morales....He has only beaten fighter at WW on the downslide and who nare bnweight drained (Im sorry Cotto was what? Clottey sure as hell did not look drained in fact Clottey may be the biggest and strongest natural WW going and no height does not mean size I am talking about all around)
Lennox Lewis- Had a glass Jaw because he was KO'd by Rahman and McCall (never mind the fact he stood up to Bruno, Tyson, Holyfield, Tua, Mercer, Botha, Briggs, Golota, Grant, Ruddock without going down :-\)
Ricky Hatton- He always was over rated ( thoiugh no mention of the fact he lost only to the top 2 P4P fighters going today, held his own with 1 of them held titles in 2 weight classes and had only 1 loss at 140)
Joe Calzaghe- He avoided Jones until he knew Jones was shot by staying at home to fight (no mention of the fact Jones never went over there to fight, admitted he did not fight Clazaghe because at the time he had too much to lose, the fact Calzaghe came here to fight Jones and Jones called him out to fight during Joes fight against Hopkins Roy mentioned svereal times he wanted the winner)
Miguel Cotto- The only reason he lost is because Margarito was with loaded gloves and Manny was on Roids (as much as I like Cotto he has been down plenty of times even at 140...Yes the Tony fight anything is possible with that cheater but lost to Pacquiao because Manny is on roids? When was this proven? The posters reply was it is true because he would not take Floyds test)
Freddie Roach- All his fighters use PEDS...Because Manny reused PBF test means that Vazquez, JCC jr, DLH, Virgil Hill, Marlon Starling, Anderson Silva etc are all PED users at one time or another?
Seriously what are some of the lamest things you have ever seen posted about a fighters trainer etc...Where you read it and just stare blankly at the monitor wondering if this person actually remembers to put their underwear on the inside of their mpants when they get dressed
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Theres should be licenses to post here...the only thing that bothers me is when people pick at Joe Calzaghes career and question whether he is a legend in the sport or not of course he is 46-0-0 32KO, idiots aside from that i let the other stuff slip.
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Good post !!! I say to each thier own. There are guys such as yourself who are very knowledgable when it comes to this sport but there is always room for those who aren't. I for one don't really know all that much, i'm just a fan and squeeze in the sport when i can here and there but come to places like this cause i enjoy the discussions right or wrong. Most of what is posted around here is opnion and no matter how dumb or sensless everyone is entitled to thiers. The pac roid thing for example. There are those who think he uses there are those who don't. I happen to think he doesn't and innocent till proven guilty, but i've heard some decent cases to argue otherwise. Bottom line is no one here knows for sure either way, and the discussion about the subject is what places like this are for. I knew almost nothing about the sport before coming here some will say i still don't and that again is fine, im just saying the mix of those in the know and not is what makes this place frustrating probably for the more knowledable guys but fun for the rest of us. To use my example again..what if. And i'm saying IF pac is on something. What does that say about those who swear on thier firstborn that he isn't. Does that make them any more or less worthy to post and opinion here ? No one knows any of these guys personally most of what is put here is a result of something heard or read in the media, as with the case with madaina everything written and said isn't true. Opinions are pretty much the only thing any of us have. I'd be willing to bet there are those in pac's own camp that dont know for sure.....so how can any of us. But for the record i agree with most of what daxx originally wrote.
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Good post !!! I say to each thier own. There are guys such as yourself who are very knowledgable when it comes to this sport but there is always room for those who aren't. I for one don't really know all that much, i'm just a fan and squeeze in the sport when i can here and there but come to places like this cause i enjoy the discussions right or wrong. Most of what is posted around here is opnion and no matter how dumb or sensless everyone is entitled to thiers. The pac roid thing for example. There are those who think he uses there are those who don't. I happen to think he doesn't and innocent till proven guilty, but i've heard some decent cases to argue otherwise. Bottom line is no one here knows for sure either way, and the discussion about the subject is what places like this are for. I knew almost nothing about the sport before coming here some will say i still don't and that again is fine, im just saying the mix of those in the know and not is what makes this place frustrating probably for the more knowledable guys but fun for the rest of us.
Oh make no mistakes I do get amused I just wonder sometimes if the person actually put thought into it....Like in my head I picture the movie Stand by Me and when not posting they are debating stuff at home like...Do you think Mighty Mouse could beat Superman?...And the next post replies.....Mighty Mouse is a cartoon Superman is a real person of Course Superman would win if they fought :mad:....
You are left like :confused:...:-\....:confused:....
I was more or less curious about some of the most crazy logic some of the other posters here have either read or gotten into a debate with someone or the most crazy things they have had used against them while the other person was trying to rationalize their point
Was not really a post who knows what or more then the other guy.....I had a doozy used against me one time by a certain well known media personality who's name I can not mention that I was in a debate with at a bar before a fight card and they were a bit tipsy while we debated Rocky Marciano and why I did not feel he was the ATG HW champion....After saying it was because Marciano lacked that one big fight against a prime HW champion due to his era his reply was...
No it is because you are a racist and can not bring yourself to allow an Italian to be ranked #1....So I asked why would I be racist against Italians?...He said because it is close to being Black.....I said to him my stepfather was black and my step brothers and sisters are black so how am I against Black people.....His reply to that....Because none of them are boxers!!! :o...And he was serious as cancer......So I guess some people will use just about anything to try and make themselves the winner in a debate no matter how stupid they sound
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"PBF should get full credit against JMM because JMM was actually bigger than floyd, just look at his shoulders and chest..."
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JonesJrMayweather
"PBF should get full credit against JMM because JMM was actually bigger than floyd, just look at his shoulders and chest..."
Not too mention the fact he beat a man who drank his own urine!!!!
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Level headed points Daxx...both sides.Alot of it you can see through but key thing is to consider the source.Some would say anything to tear a guy down,all the while only sacrificing any valid points along the way.It highlights itself as shallow.Spin wizards will say anything,develope patterns and some need to be handed a pair of big red shoes and a over sized clown wig at the door....like Saddoboxer for example :-X eventually they just become a laughing stock.
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Excellent and fun to read, Daxx.
Still, I try not to get to scientific with my boxing breakdown. Beside the fact that I don't have the skill to write a serious piece of journalism, I simply enjoy the bullshit sessions.
Mostly, the DaxxKahn's, CutMeMick's, and Killersheep's of the world are just for me to listen to and learn from. You guys are the professors of my boxing sphere. It's the other students, the guys who make ridiculous comments and draw one absurd comparison after another that spice things up and create banter.
How do you champion one fighter over another without highlighting aspects of their personality, career or choice in trunks? Seriously. One case may be weak and one case may be strong, but they both attempt the same thing.
Personal attacks between posters get to me. Personal attacks against fighters make me chuckle. It's just my way.
I love your post and understand your frustration. It just doesn't get under my skin like it does yours.
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BoxingGorilla
Excellent and fun to read, Daxx.
Still, I try not to get to scientific with my boxing breakdown. Beside the fact that I don't have the skill to write a serious piece of journalism, I simply enjoy the bullshit sessions.
Mostly, the DaxxKahn's, CutMeMick's, and Killersheep's of the world are just for me to listen to and learn from. You guys are the professors of my boxing sphere. It's the other students, the guys who make ridiculous comments and draw one absurd comparison after another that spice things up and create banter.
How do you champion one fighter over another without highlighting aspects of their personality, career or choice in trunks? Seriously. One case may be weak and one case may be strong, but they both attempt the same thing.
Personal attacks between posters get to me. Personal attacks against fighters make me chuckle. It's just my way.
I love your post and understand your frustration. It just doesn't get under my skin like it does yours.
Some guys get under my skin but not like they used to....Guys who goad other people, use countries as an insult...EG- Y9ou only think that way because all you guys from country XYZ are idiots etc.......
Others that are just plain out crazy drive me nuts because I INSIST on trying to keep the debate up....The again it is my own fault....I am a sucker for punishment I guess ha ha....
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JonesJrMayweather
"PBF should get full credit against JMM because JMM was actually bigger than floyd, just look at his shoulders and chest..."
Not too mention the fact he beat a man who drank his own urine!!!!
He drinks his urine so they cant test him for PEDS, obviously.
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DaxxKahn
Lennox Lewis- Had a glass Jaw because he was KO'd by Rahman and McCall (never mind the fact he stood up to Bruno, Tyson, Holyfield, Tua, Mercer, Botha, Briggs, Golota, Grant, Ruddock without going down :-\)
Ricky Hatton- He always was over rated ( thoiugh no mention of the fact he lost only to the top 2 P4P fighters going today, held his own with 1 of them held titles in 2 weight classes and had only 1 loss at 140)
Joe Calzaghe- He avoided Jones until he knew Jones was shot by staying at home to fight (no mention of the fact Jones never went over there to fight, admitted he did not fight Clazaghe because at the time he had too much to lose, the fact Calzaghe came here to fight Jones and Jones called him out to fight during Joes fight against Hopkins Roy mentioned svereal times he wanted the winner)
No Lewis jaw wasn't glass. But you saying he stood up to the shots of Tyson, Golota (Ha!), Tua and Botha had me laughing. When exactly did he do that? You can't say you took somebodies punches if they never landed on you flush. I'm trying to remember if Golota even threw a punch. Much less connect with one
Hatton was always overrated. Name a good fighter Hatton beat that was in his prime.
Are you kidding me? Actual quote from Calzaghe back in 99
Joe Calzaghe - The Daily Mirror - June 1 - 1999 -
"I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money."
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....this thread is just a whole "You can't prove Manny Pacquiao did PED's" rant :rolleyes:
Lennox Lewis' chin was questionable that's a fact he got hurt numerous times, now it wasn't a glass jaw but it wasn't rock solid either so don't try to make that the case. Shannon Briggs should have had a knockdown scored over Lewis because the ropes help Lennox up, Bruno was hurting Lennox as well....those guys were big punchers and there's nothing wrong with getting buzzed by those guys, but let's not pretend that Lennox was unhurtable.
Miguel Cotto did get robbed vs Margarito, we all saw what Shane did to Toni when the loaded wraps DEFINENTLY weren't used and I will throw out the fact that a bum like Luis Resto was able to take hard punches vs Billy Collins when he had loaded gloves.
Ricky Hatton and Joe Calzaghe have big wins vs big names but they were ALL old so explain to me how they get credit and Rocky Marciano doesn't? I give Calzaghe credit for beating Lacy and Kessler but Roy and B-Hop....no way.
Floyd has a weak chin because his Dad and Uncle had weak chins.....unless Floyd's Mama has a granite chin I doubt he has one too.
I have nothing against Roach or Bute, although I think Bute is going to have his hands full vs Hopkins just because the guy fights in an ugly manner and Bute isn't used to the rough stuff
I hate it when people think Tyson would beat everyone without any trouble at all
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Spicoli
Level headed points Daxx...both sides.Alot of it you can see through but key thing is to consider the source.Some would say anything to tear a guy down,all the while only sacrificing any valid points along the way.It highlights itself as shallow.Spin wizards will say anything,develope patterns and some need to be handed a pair of big red shoes and a over sized clown wig at the door....like Saddoboxer for example :-X eventually they just become a laughing stock.
OK, but when compared to some of the--what I would call tabloid sites--Saddo is pretty dammn good. In fact, one of the reasons I have posted hrer over the years is to get ideas and opinions. I mean, if you want to have a political debate AD NAUSEUM:argue: or have posters repeat themselves 1,560,000 times as to whether Floyd can beat Pac or whether Pac is on PED'S :pissing: I can refer you to at least 3 such sites by private message. I also know one where the exchanges are fast becoming h-mo-erotic (is that politically incorrect?) All in all, Saddo has very solid posters IMO, especially when compared to the few site that allow posting without any registering--so that haters, morons, flamers, stalkers, imbeciles, racists, perverts, pyschos, sociopaths, and other vermin are allowed to post at will--or are allowed to attack the writers at will. :puke:
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Great topic and completely agree with all points made. I have been guilty in the past of doing the same things as most have.
One thing I hate is when posters downgrade fighters by claiming they weren't World Class. It gets to the point of where they seem to think most fighters are rubbish except the few they idolise.
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Spicoli
Level headed points Daxx...both sides.Alot of it you can see through but key thing is to consider the source.Some would say anything to tear a guy down,all the while only sacrificing any valid points along the way.It highlights itself as shallow.Spin wizards will say anything,develope patterns and some need to be handed a pair of big red shoes and a over sized clown wig at the door....like Saddoboxer for example :-X eventually they just become a laughing stock.
OK, but when compared to some of the--what I would call tabloid sites--Saddo is pretty dammn good. In fact, one of the reasons I have posted hrer over the years is to get ideas and opinions. I mean, if you want to have a political debate AD NAUSEUM:argue: or have posters repeat themselves 1,560,000 times as to whether Floyd can beat Pac or whether Pac is on PED'S :pissing: I can refer you to at least 3 such sites by private message. I also know one where the exchanges are fast becoming
h-mo-erotic (is that politically incorrect?) All in all, Saddo has very solid posters IMO, especially when compared to the few site that allow posting without any registering--so that haters, morons, flamers, stalkers, imbeciles, racists, perverts, pyschos, sociopaths, and other vermin are allowed to post at will--or are allowed to attack the writers at will. :puke:
It does.Saddos is bar none the cream of the crop and vast majority of members and the depth here blows all others from the water.Its pro ball compared to others minor leauge.Its the refugees,trolls and cast aways from those other sites that stand out and eventually exit stage left.We knock heads and it gets heated in spots with debates but that juvenile pre school stuff doesnt last.
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Spicoli
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holmcall
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Spicoli
Level headed points Daxx...both sides.Alot of it you can see through but key thing is to consider the source.Some would say anything to tear a guy down,all the while only sacrificing any valid points along the way.It highlights itself as shallow.Spin wizards will say anything,develope patterns and some need to be handed a pair of big red shoes and a over sized clown wig at the door....like Saddoboxer for example :-X eventually they just become a laughing stock.
OK, but when compared to some of the--what I would call tabloid sites--Saddo is pretty dammn good. In fact, one of the reasons I have posted hrer over the years is to get ideas and opinions. I mean, if you want to have a political debate AD NAUSEUM:argue: or have posters repeat themselves 1,560,000 times as to whether Floyd can beat Pac or whether Pac is on PED'S :pissing: I can refer you to at least 3 such sites by private message. I also know one where the exchanges are fast becoming
h-mo-erotic (is that politically incorrect?) All in all, Saddo has very solid posters IMO, especially when compared to the few site that allow posting without any registering--so that haters, morons, flamers, stalkers, imbeciles, racists, perverts, pyschos, sociopaths, and other vermin are allowed to post at will--or are allowed to attack the writers at will. :puke:
It does.Saddos is bar none the cream of the crop and vast majority of members and the depth here blows all others from the water.Its pro ball compared to others minor leauge.Its the refugees,trolls and cast aways from those other sites that stand out and eventually exit stage left.We knock heads and it gets heated in spots with debates but that juvenile pre school stuff doesnt last.
I'm not sure I would go quite that far, but Saddo is a damn good one. So is the one I write for which has little or no tolerance for the trolls. It also has a heavy international following which I really love. The Brits know their shite! I think Saddo might be one of the front runners among the big ones (read: busy ones), but some of the botique sites are really cool as well. As long as the site allows intelligent BOXING exchanges, does not tolerate racism or hate for hate's sake, I like it. Thing is, we are all pioneering in this thing called on-line writing and that's why the days of guys like Bert Sugar (nothing personal) are numbered. But point taken, Saddo is a great one and Daxx shouldn't be so hard on himself. ;D
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Spicoli
Saddos is bar none the cream of the crop.
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holmcall
I'm not sure I would go quite that far,
C'mon, Holmie.
I lucked out. This is the first site I came to in my journey and I never looked anywhere else for boxing conversation.
I've clicked links posted to the site and traveled to far away places, but never left Saddo's in search of something different.
Well, I did try to once, but the site hijacked my browser and kept taking me to Bilbo's Baggins Clan thread. ;D
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what can i say some guys are just morons
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Violent Demise
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DaxxKahn
Lennox Lewis- Had a glass Jaw because he was KO'd by Rahman and McCall (never mind the fact he stood up to Bruno, Tyson, Holyfield, Tua, Mercer, Botha, Briggs, Golota, Grant, Ruddock without going down :-\)
Ricky Hatton- He always was over rated ( thoiugh no mention of the fact he lost only to the top 2 P4P fighters going today, held his own with 1 of them held titles in 2 weight classes and had only 1 loss at 140)
Joe Calzaghe- He avoided Jones until he knew Jones was shot by staying at home to fight (no mention of the fact Jones never went over there to fight, admitted he did not fight Clazaghe because at the time he had too much to lose, the fact Calzaghe came here to fight Jones and Jones called him out to fight during Joes fight against Hopkins Roy mentioned svereal times he wanted the winner)
No Lewis jaw wasn't glass. But you saying he stood up to the shots of Tyson, Golota (Ha!), Tua and Botha had me laughing. When exactly did he do that? You can't say you took somebodies punches if they never landed on you flush. I'm trying to remember if Golota even threw a punch. Much less connect with one
Hatton was always overrated. Name a good fighter Hatton beat that was in his prime.
Are you kidding me? Actual quote from Calzaghe back in 99
Joe Calzaghe - The Daily Mirror - June 1 - 1999 -
"I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money."
Pretty sure Lennox was caught flush quite a bit by Tua....But as we know you are always right....we will let the video decide....in the first 45 alone he caught shots that would have stopped most...then what about the Vitali fight? Lennox caught many flush shots that fight...The Mercer fight? Briggs fight?....
Leave me guess the video is doctored? No wait you had you Gang in the back dressing rooms for every fight making these guys practice making big shots LOOK like the landed but in truth they did not?
No no I got it you have actually sparred with all these guys while drinking a 40 and shagging your Ho!!! and none of the hit for shit!!!!
When your right your right Violent Demise...I swear you should be the boxing ringside expert for HBO and Sho
As for Golota you are right was not thinking nwhen I posted that name was just naming off past opp....Same for Grant don't think he even got one in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIRShCBKwng
Oh and I see you bring what Calzaghe might have said in a paper but Ignore what Jones said about his refusing to go to the UK to defend during the Hopkins Calzaghe bout when he was commentating....Can't be just one sided...PLAYA!!!
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bigamzz
what can i say some guys are just morons
That too
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DaxxKahn
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Violent Demise
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DaxxKahn
Lennox Lewis- Had a glass Jaw because he was KO'd by Rahman and McCall (never mind the fact he stood up to Bruno, Tyson, Holyfield, Tua, Mercer, Botha, Briggs, Golota, Grant, Ruddock without going down :-\)
Ricky Hatton- He always was over rated ( thoiugh no mention of the fact he lost only to the top 2 P4P fighters going today, held his own with 1 of them held titles in 2 weight classes and had only 1 loss at 140)
Joe Calzaghe- He avoided Jones until he knew Jones was shot by staying at home to fight (no mention of the fact Jones never went over there to fight, admitted he did not fight Clazaghe because at the time he had too much to lose, the fact Calzaghe came here to fight Jones and Jones called him out to fight during Joes fight against Hopkins Roy mentioned svereal times he wanted the winner)
No Lewis jaw wasn't glass. But you saying he stood up to the shots of Tyson, Golota (Ha!), Tua and Botha had me laughing. When exactly did he do that? You can't say you took somebodies punches if they never landed on you flush. I'm trying to remember if Golota even threw a punch. Much less connect with one
Hatton was always overrated. Name a good fighter Hatton beat that was in his prime.
Are you kidding me? Actual quote from Calzaghe back in 99
Joe Calzaghe - The Daily Mirror - June 1 - 1999 -
"I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money."
Pretty sure Lennox was caught flush quite a bit by Tua....But as we know you are always right....we will let the video decide....in the first 45 alone he caught shots that would have stopped most...then what about the Vitali fight? Lennox caught many flush shots that fight...The Mercer fight? Briggs fight?....
Leave me guess the video is doctored? No wait you had you Gang in the back dressing rooms for every fight making these guys practice making big shots LOOK like the landed but in truth they did not?
No no I got it you have actually sparred with all these guys while drinking a 40 and shagging your Ho!!! and none of the hit for shit!!!!
When your right your right Violent Demise...I swear you should be the boxing ringside expert for HBO and Sho
As for Golota you are right was not thinking nwhen I posted that name was just naming off past opp....Same for Grant don't think he even got one in
Oh and I see you bring what Calzaghe might have said in a paper but Ignore what Jones said about his refusing to go to the UK to defend during the Hopkins Calzaghe bout when he was commentating....Can't be just one sided...PLAYA!!!
Read the first line. Let me help you "No Lewis jaw wasn't glass." You know what that means? I can dumb it down further if you like. I'm actually agreeing with you that his jaw wasn't glass. To me it look like Tua was getting him with the end of his punches. Not flush. But I'll give to you any way. You acknowledge your foolishness in naming Golota. So I'll skip that. Grant landed one big shot on Lewis. That was it. Lewis took it well. He took Mercer shots pretty well overall. Briggs hurt him badly in the first. Vitali in the second. Not sure why you using those as good examples. Either way, I don't consider Lewis chin/jaw to be great. Far from it. But it's not glass either. It's just average
Still waiting on them Hatton names. I'm sure you just forgot to list them. I'll help you a bit. Carlos Maussa doesn't count.
Calzaghe knew if he wanted the big fights he had to come to the US. Everybody knew that. But Calzaghe never did. He was content facing WBO bums. Jones at the time was the p4p king. The number 1. A fighter wants to be number 1 he goes after the number 1. Not the other way around. Number 1 doesn't go after number 9. It don't work that way
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Violent Demise
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DaxxKahn
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Violent Demise
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DaxxKahn
Lennox Lewis- Had a glass Jaw because he was KO'd by Rahman and McCall (never mind the fact he stood up to Bruno, Tyson, Holyfield, Tua, Mercer, Botha, Briggs, Golota, Grant, Ruddock without going down :-\)
Ricky Hatton- He always was over rated ( thoiugh no mention of the fact he lost only to the top 2 P4P fighters going today, held his own with 1 of them held titles in 2 weight classes and had only 1 loss at 140)
Joe Calzaghe- He avoided Jones until he knew Jones was shot by staying at home to fight (no mention of the fact Jones never went over there to fight, admitted he did not fight Clazaghe because at the time he had too much to lose, the fact Calzaghe came here to fight Jones and Jones called him out to fight during Joes fight against Hopkins Roy mentioned svereal times he wanted the winner)
No Lewis jaw wasn't glass. But you saying he stood up to the shots of Tyson, Golota (Ha!), Tua and Botha had me laughing. When exactly did he do that? You can't say you took somebodies punches if they never landed on you flush. I'm trying to remember if Golota even threw a punch. Much less connect with one
Hatton was always overrated. Name a good fighter Hatton beat that was in his prime.
Are you kidding me? Actual quote from Calzaghe back in 99
Joe Calzaghe - The Daily Mirror - June 1 - 1999 -
"I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money."
Pretty sure Lennox was caught flush quite a bit by Tua....But as we know you are always right....we will let the video decide....in the first 45 alone he caught shots that would have stopped most...then what about the Vitali fight? Lennox caught many flush shots that fight...The Mercer fight? Briggs fight?....
Leave me guess the video is doctored? No wait you had you Gang in the back dressing rooms for every fight making these guys practice making big shots LOOK like the landed but in truth they did not?
No no I got it you have actually sparred with all these guys while drinking a 40 and shagging your Ho!!! and none of the hit for shit!!!!
When your right your right Violent Demise...I swear you should be the boxing ringside expert for HBO and Sho
As for Golota you are right was not thinking nwhen I posted that name was just naming off past opp....Same for Grant don't think he even got one in
Oh and I see you bring what Calzaghe might have said in a paper but Ignore what Jones said about his refusing to go to the UK to defend during the Hopkins Calzaghe bout when he was commentating....Can't be just one sided...PLAYA!!!
Read the first line. Let me help you "No Lewis jaw wasn't glass." You know what that means? I can dumb it down further if you like. I'm actually agreeing with you that his jaw wasn't glass. To me it look like Tua was getting him with the end of his punches. Not flush. But I'll give to you any way. You acknowledge your foolishness in naming Golota. So I'll skip that. Grant landed one big shot on Lewis. That was it. Lewis took it well. He took Mercer shots pretty well overall. Briggs hurt him badly in the first. Vitali in the second. Not sure why you using those as good examples. Either way, I don't consider Lewis chin/jaw to be great. Far from it. But it's not glass either. It's just average
Still waiting on them Hatton names. I'm sure you just forgot to list them. I'll help you a bit. Carlos Maussa doesn't count.
Calzaghe knew if he wanted the big fights he had to come to the US. Everybody knew that. But Calzaghe never did. He was content facing WBO bums. Jones at the time was the p4p king. The number 1. A fighter wants to be number 1 he goes after the number 1. Not the other way around. Number 1 doesn't go after number 9. It don't work that way
HMMMM who has to dumb what down for who? Considering in my reply to you had nothing in it about youy saying Lewis had a glass chin it replied to you and the shots not landing flush...Reasons why I mentioned Mercer, Briggs etc...Just to add to fighters he was caught flush by not that he did not stand up to them...especially considering Lennox was down only twice in his career and he was out both times...The only 2 losses of his career....
I acknowledged the fact I made a mistake with adding Golota and Grant and stated I was naming the big punchers he faced before I thought about the actual fights....
Tua video that showed he many a flush shot what is your exact definition of
getting him on the end of his punches....The way you describe it he was barely landing and tall the punches were just scraping Lewis with his glove....
The other names were mentioned because Lewis took big punishment from them and stood tall...Hurt or not....
I did not get to hatton because we were on the topic of Lewis but OK...
Collazo, Urango, MaGee....HOF bound or P4P nop but all good fighters top 10 ranked when Hatton faced them...MaGee was a WBU defence nothing big here but I guess over seas is a bigger deal but MaGee is still a tough fighter at the time was no walk over for any 140lb fighter...
Tszyu was not a shot fighter when he faced Hatton...at his best no but he had kept a pretty slow schedule the years prior and had not taken too much abuse...so his inactivity hurt him leading up to the bout averaging 1 a year but shot no....
As for Calzaghe...Jones himself made the statement that he did not go fight him because it was too risky be it in the UK or states...he stated that on National TV while commentating on Calzaghe/Hopkins those words exactly get a copy of the fight and find out yourself....If Jones said it himself then any arguement you have is out the window because Jones stated nothing about why should I have...I was ranked #1 he was ranked # whatever he said...IT WAS TOO RISKY FOR ME AT THAT TIME ESPECIALLY IF I HAD TO GO TO THE UK... he added nothing in on it....
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Lennox Lewis- Had a glass Jaw because he was KO'd by Rahman and McCall (never mind the fact he stood up to Bruno, Tyson, Holyfield, Tua, Mercer, Botha, Briggs, Golota, Grant, Ruddock without going down :-\)
Ricky Hatton- He always was over rated ( thoiugh no mention of the fact he lost only to the top 2 P4P fighters going today, held his own with 1 of them held titles in 2 weight classes and had only 1 loss at 140)
Joe Calzaghe- He avoided Jones until he knew Jones was shot by staying at home to fight (no mention of the fact Jones never went over there to fight, admitted he did not fight Clazaghe because at the time he had too much to lose, the fact Calzaghe came here to fight Jones and Jones called him out to fight during Joes fight against Hopkins Roy mentioned svereal times he wanted the winner)
No Lewis jaw wasn't glass. But you saying he stood up to the shots of Tyson, Golota (Ha!), Tua and Botha had me laughing. When exactly did he do that? You can't say you took somebodies punches if they never landed on you flush. I'm trying to remember if Golota even threw a punch. Much less connect with one
Hatton was always overrated. Name a good fighter Hatton beat that was in his prime.
Are you kidding me? Actual quote from Calzaghe back in 99
Joe Calzaghe - The Daily Mirror - June 1 - 1999 -
"I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money."
Pretty sure Lennox was caught flush quite a bit by Tua....But as we know you are always right....we will let the video decide....in the first 45 alone he caught shots that would have stopped most...then what about the Vitali fight? Lennox caught many flush shots that fight...The Mercer fight? Briggs fight?....
Leave me guess the video is doctored? No wait you had you Gang in the back dressing rooms for every fight making these guys practice making big shots LOOK like the landed but in truth they did not?
No no I got it you have actually sparred with all these guys while drinking a 40 and shagging your Ho!!! and none of the hit for shit!!!!
When your right your right Violent Demise...I swear you should be the boxing ringside expert for HBO and Sho
As for Golota you are right was not thinking nwhen I posted that name was just naming off past opp....Same for Grant don't think he even got one in
Oh and I see you bring what Calzaghe might have said in a paper but Ignore what Jones said about his refusing to go to the UK to defend during the Hopkins Calzaghe bout when he was commentating....Can't be just one sided...PLAYA!!!
Read the first line. Let me help you "No Lewis jaw wasn't glass." You know what that means? I can dumb it down further if you like. I'm actually agreeing with you that his jaw wasn't glass. To me it look like Tua was getting him with the end of his punches. Not flush. But I'll give to you any way. You acknowledge your foolishness in naming Golota. So I'll skip that. Grant landed one big shot on Lewis. That was it. Lewis took it well. He took Mercer shots pretty well overall. Briggs hurt him badly in the first. Vitali in the second. Not sure why you using those as good examples. Either way, I don't consider Lewis chin/jaw to be great. Far from it. But it's not glass either. It's just average
Still waiting on them Hatton names. I'm sure you just forgot to list them. I'll help you a bit. Carlos Maussa doesn't count.
Calzaghe knew if he wanted the big fights he had to come to the US. Everybody knew that. But Calzaghe never did. He was content facing WBO bums. Jones at the time was the p4p king. The number 1. A fighter wants to be number 1 he goes after the number 1. Not the other way around. Number 1 doesn't go after number 9. It don't work that way
HMMMM who has to dumb what down for who? Considering in my reply to you had nothing in it about youy saying Lewis had a glass chin it replied to you and the shots not landing flush...Reasons why I mentioned Mercer, Briggs etc...Just to add to fighters he was caught flush by not that he did not stand up to them...especially considering Lennox was down only twice in his career and he was out both times...The only 2 losses of his career....
I acknowledged the fact I made a mistake with adding Golota and Grant and stated I was naming the big punchers he faced before I thought about the actual fights....
Tua video that showed he many a flush shot what is your exact definition of
getting him on the end of his punches....The way you describe it he was barely landing and tall the punches were just scraping Lewis with his glove....
The other names were mentioned because Lewis took big punishment from them and stood tall...Hurt or not....
I did not get to hatton because we were on the topic of Lewis but OK...
Collazo, Urango, MaGee....HOF bound or P4P nop but all good fighters top 10 ranked when Hatton faced them...MaGee was a WBU defence nothing big here but I guess over seas is a bigger deal but MaGee is still a tough fighter at the time was no walk over for any 140lb fighter...
Tszyu was not a shot fighter when he faced Hatton...at his best no but he had kept a pretty slow schedule the years prior and had not taken too much abuse...so his inactivity hurt him leading up to the bout averaging 1 a year but shot no....
As for Calzaghe...Jones himself made the statement that he did not go fight him because it was too risky be it in the UK or states...he stated that on National TV while commentating on Calzaghe/Hopkins those words exactly get a copy of the fight and find out yourself....If Jones said it himself then any arguement you have is out the window because Jones stated nothing about why should I have...I was ranked #1 he was ranked # whatever he said...IT WAS TOO RISKY FOR ME AT THAT TIME ESPECIALLY IF I HAD TO GO TO THE UK... he added nothing in on it....
Hatton has an official win over Collazo. But that's all. Anybody that knows how to score should of gave Collazo the win. Despite it not being called a knock down in the 12th (should of been) that was still a 10-8 round for Collazo. MaGee was a tough fighter. But he was a domestic fighter. He lost every time he stepped up. Urango? Yeah he was undefeated when Hatton faced him. But that was thanks only to a shameful gift win over Ben Rabah. I wouldn't call Tszyu totally shot either. He was clearly no longer in his prime. But shot is to strong a word. But there is no doubt Hatton doesn't beat him without his tag team partner Dave Parris. The referring in that fight was a disgrace.
If what Jones said himself tosses my arguement out the window than what Calzaghe said himself tosses your argument out the window. Cuz it came from Joe himself. Still it don't change the fact that Calzaghe did nothing to force a fight with Jones other than stay in the UK and claim Jones is ducking him right after he beat Tocker Pudwill
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Lennox Lewis- Had a glass Jaw because he was KO'd by Rahman and McCall (never mind the fact he stood up to Bruno, Tyson, Holyfield, Tua, Mercer, Botha, Briggs, Golota, Grant, Ruddock without going down :-\)
Ricky Hatton- He always was over rated ( thoiugh no mention of the fact he lost only to the top 2 P4P fighters going today, held his own with 1 of them held titles in 2 weight classes and had only 1 loss at 140)
Joe Calzaghe- He avoided Jones until he knew Jones was shot by staying at home to fight (no mention of the fact Jones never went over there to fight, admitted he did not fight Clazaghe because at the time he had too much to lose, the fact Calzaghe came here to fight Jones and Jones called him out to fight during Joes fight against Hopkins Roy mentioned svereal times he wanted the winner)
No Lewis jaw wasn't glass. But you saying he stood up to the shots of Tyson, Golota (Ha!), Tua and Botha had me laughing. When exactly did he do that? You can't say you took somebodies punches if they never landed on you flush. I'm trying to remember if Golota even threw a punch. Much less connect with one
Hatton was always overrated. Name a good fighter Hatton beat that was in his prime.
Are you kidding me? Actual quote from Calzaghe back in 99
Joe Calzaghe - The Daily Mirror - June 1 - 1999 -
"I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money."
Pretty sure Lennox was caught flush quite a bit by Tua....But as we know you are always right....we will let the video decide....in the first 45 alone he caught shots that would have stopped most...then what about the Vitali fight? Lennox caught many flush shots that fight...The Mercer fight? Briggs fight?....
Leave me guess the video is doctored? No wait you had you Gang in the back dressing rooms for every fight making these guys practice making big shots LOOK like the landed but in truth they did not?
No no I got it you have actually sparred with all these guys while drinking a 40 and shagging your Ho!!! and none of the hit for shit!!!!
When your right your right Violent Demise...I swear you should be the boxing ringside expert for HBO and Sho
As for Golota you are right was not thinking nwhen I posted that name was just naming off past opp....Same for Grant don't think he even got one in
Oh and I see you bring what Calzaghe might have said in a paper but Ignore what Jones said about his refusing to go to the UK to defend during the Hopkins Calzaghe bout when he was commentating....Can't be just one sided...PLAYA!!!
Read the first line. Let me help you "No Lewis jaw wasn't glass." You know what that means? I can dumb it down further if you like. I'm actually agreeing with you that his jaw wasn't glass. To me it look like Tua was getting him with the end of his punches. Not flush. But I'll give to you any way. You acknowledge your foolishness in naming Golota. So I'll skip that. Grant landed one big shot on Lewis. That was it. Lewis took it well. He took Mercer shots pretty well overall. Briggs hurt him badly in the first. Vitali in the second. Not sure why you using those as good examples. Either way, I don't consider Lewis chin/jaw to be great. Far from it. But it's not glass either. It's just average
Still waiting on them Hatton names. I'm sure you just forgot to list them. I'll help you a bit. Carlos Maussa doesn't count.
Calzaghe knew if he wanted the big fights he had to come to the US. Everybody knew that. But Calzaghe never did. He was content facing WBO bums. Jones at the time was the p4p king. The number 1. A fighter wants to be number 1 he goes after the number 1. Not the other way around. Number 1 doesn't go after number 9. It don't work that way
HMMMM who has to dumb what down for who? Considering in my reply to you had nothing in it about youy saying Lewis had a glass chin it replied to you and the shots not landing flush...Reasons why I mentioned Mercer, Briggs etc...Just to add to fighters he was caught flush by not that he did not stand up to them...especially considering Lennox was down only twice in his career and he was out both times...The only 2 losses of his career....
I acknowledged the fact I made a mistake with adding Golota and Grant and stated I was naming the big punchers he faced before I thought about the actual fights....
Tua video that showed he many a flush shot what is your exact definition of
getting him on the end of his punches....The way you describe it he was barely landing and tall the punches were just scraping Lewis with his glove....
The other names were mentioned because Lewis took big punishment from them and stood tall...Hurt or not....
I did not get to hatton because we were on the topic of Lewis but OK...
Collazo, Urango, MaGee....HOF bound or P4P nop but all good fighters top 10 ranked when Hatton faced them...MaGee was a WBU defence nothing big here but I guess over seas is a bigger deal but MaGee is still a tough fighter at the time was no walk over for any 140lb fighter...
Tszyu was not a shot fighter when he faced Hatton...at his best no but he had kept a pretty slow schedule the years prior and had not taken too much abuse...so his inactivity hurt him leading up to the bout averaging 1 a year but shot no....
As for Calzaghe...Jones himself made the statement that he did not go fight him because it was too risky be it in the UK or states...he stated that on National TV while commentating on Calzaghe/Hopkins those words exactly get a copy of the fight and find out yourself....If Jones said it himself then any arguement you have is out the window because Jones stated nothing about why should I have...I was ranked #1 he was ranked # whatever he said...IT WAS TOO RISKY FOR ME AT THAT TIME ESPECIALLY IF I HAD TO GO TO THE UK... he added nothing in on it....
Hatton has an official win over Collazo. But that's all. Anybody that knows how to score should of gave Collazo the win. Despite it not being called a knock down in the 12th (should of been) that was still a 10-8 round for Collazo. MaGee was a tough fighter. But he was a domestic fighter. He lost every time he stepped up. Urango? Yeah he was undefeated when Hatton faced him. But that was thanks only to a shameful gift win over Ben Rabah. I wouldn't call Tszyu totally shot either. He was clearly no longer in his prime. But shot is to strong a word. But there is no doubt Hatton doesn't beat him without his tag team partner Dave Parris. The referring in that fight was a disgrace.
If what Jones said himself tosses my arguement out the window than what Calzaghe said himself tosses your argument out the window. Cuz it came from Joe himself. Still it don't change the fact that Calzaghe did nothing to force a fight with Jones other than stay in the UK and claim Jones is ducking him right after he beat Tocker Pudwill
I have to agree on all counts there....The Hatton MaGee fight always sticks out for me when thinking of Hatton only because it was the first live fight of Hattons I watched...Since then MaGee is not what he was then especially after hearing of his other non sense....The referee was a disgrace in that fight...He ranks right up there with Marlon Wright when it comes to what calls to make or not make.....At WW Hatton struggled with everyone and the Collazo fight was a gift but still Collazzo is a top guy (I thought Collazo beat Berto and was shorted there as well)......
The whole Jones Calzaghe thing really I can care less...I lost my love of Roy Jones after he fought I think it was Richard Frazier the part time cop and then bragged about his greatness afterward....Yet had spent almost his whole LHW career fighting almost beens and also rans....Though at SMW to this day I think Roy at that weight could have beaten anyone P4P in boxing history on athleticism alone...
The comments Roy made surprised me because I never expected to hear him admit anything like that especially because he brought up the Calzaghe fight being made with him hopefully at the time but Lampley mentioned to him something more or less about "It would be the fight that was to happen long ago"...then Jones made the comments....If it was not the Hopkins Calzaghe bout it was the Hopkins Wright bout the commentating was on because if I am not mistaken They were already talking about a showdown between them at the time Hopkins faced Wright.....
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Lennox Lewis- Had a glass Jaw because he was KO'd by Rahman and McCall (never mind the fact he stood up to Bruno, Tyson, Holyfield, Tua, Mercer, Botha, Briggs, Golota, Grant, Ruddock without going down :-\)
Ricky Hatton- He always was over rated ( thoiugh no mention of the fact he lost only to the top 2 P4P fighters going today, held his own with 1 of them held titles in 2 weight classes and had only 1 loss at 140)
Joe Calzaghe- He avoided Jones until he knew Jones was shot by staying at home to fight (no mention of the fact Jones never went over there to fight, admitted he did not fight Clazaghe because at the time he had too much to lose, the fact Calzaghe came here to fight Jones and Jones called him out to fight during Joes fight against Hopkins Roy mentioned svereal times he wanted the winner)
No Lewis jaw wasn't glass. But you saying he stood up to the shots of Tyson, Golota (Ha!), Tua and Botha had me laughing. When exactly did he do that? You can't say you took somebodies punches if they never landed on you flush. I'm trying to remember if Golota even threw a punch. Much less connect with one
Hatton was always overrated. Name a good fighter Hatton beat that was in his prime.
Are you kidding me? Actual quote from Calzaghe back in 99
Joe Calzaghe - The Daily Mirror - June 1 - 1999 -
"I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money."
Pretty sure Lennox was caught flush quite a bit by Tua....But as we know you are always right....we will let the video decide....in the first 45 alone he caught shots that would have stopped most...then what about the Vitali fight? Lennox caught many flush shots that fight...The Mercer fight? Briggs fight?....
Leave me guess the video is doctored? No wait you had you Gang in the back dressing rooms for every fight making these guys practice making big shots LOOK like the landed but in truth they did not?
No no I got it you have actually sparred with all these guys while drinking a 40 and shagging your Ho!!! and none of the hit for shit!!!!
When your right your right Violent Demise...I swear you should be the boxing ringside expert for HBO and Sho
As for Golota you are right was not thinking nwhen I posted that name was just naming off past opp....Same for Grant don't think he even got one in
Oh and I see you bring what Calzaghe might have said in a paper but Ignore what Jones said about his refusing to go to the UK to defend during the Hopkins Calzaghe bout when he was commentating....Can't be just one sided...PLAYA!!!
Read the first line. Let me help you "No Lewis jaw wasn't glass." You know what that means? I can dumb it down further if you like. I'm actually agreeing with you that his jaw wasn't glass. To me it look like Tua was getting him with the end of his punches. Not flush. But I'll give to you any way. You acknowledge your foolishness in naming Golota. So I'll skip that. Grant landed one big shot on Lewis. That was it. Lewis took it well. He took Mercer shots pretty well overall. Briggs hurt him badly in the first. Vitali in the second. Not sure why you using those as good examples. Either way, I don't consider Lewis chin/jaw to be great. Far from it. But it's not glass either. It's just average
Still waiting on them Hatton names. I'm sure you just forgot to list them. I'll help you a bit. Carlos Maussa doesn't count.
Calzaghe knew if he wanted the big fights he had to come to the US. Everybody knew that. But Calzaghe never did. He was content facing WBO bums. Jones at the time was the p4p king. The number 1. A fighter wants to be number 1 he goes after the number 1. Not the other way around. Number 1 doesn't go after number 9. It don't work that way
HMMMM who has to dumb what down for who? Considering in my reply to you had nothing in it about youy saying Lewis had a glass chin it replied to you and the shots not landing flush...Reasons why I mentioned Mercer, Briggs etc...Just to add to fighters he was caught flush by not that he did not stand up to them...especially considering Lennox was down only twice in his career and he was out both times...The only 2 losses of his career....
I acknowledged the fact I made a mistake with adding Golota and Grant and stated I was naming the big punchers he faced before I thought about the actual fights....
Tua video that showed he many a flush shot what is your exact definition of
getting him on the end of his punches....The way you describe it he was barely landing and tall the punches were just scraping Lewis with his glove....
The other names were mentioned because Lewis took big punishment from them and stood tall...Hurt or not....
I did not get to hatton because we were on the topic of Lewis but OK...
Collazo, Urango, MaGee....HOF bound or P4P nop but all good fighters top 10 ranked when Hatton faced them...MaGee was a WBU defence nothing big here but I guess over seas is a bigger deal but MaGee is still a tough fighter at the time was no walk over for any 140lb fighter...
Tszyu was not a shot fighter when he faced Hatton...at his best no but he had kept a pretty slow schedule the years prior and had not taken too much abuse...so his inactivity hurt him leading up to the bout averaging 1 a year but shot no....
As for Calzaghe...Jones himself made the statement that he did not go fight him because it was too risky be it in the UK or states...he stated that on National TV while commentating on Calzaghe/Hopkins those words exactly get a copy of the fight and find out yourself....If
Jones said it himself then any arguement you have is out the window because Jones stated nothing about why should I have...I was ranked #1 he was ranked # whatever he said...IT WAS TOO RISKY FOR ME AT THAT TIME ESPECIALLY IF I HAD TO GO TO THE UK... he added nothing in on it....
Hatton has an official win over Collazo. But that's all. Anybody that knows how to score should of gave Collazo the win. Despite it not being called a knock down in the 12th (should of been) that was still a 10-8 round for Collazo. MaGee was a tough fighter. But he was a domestic fighter. He lost every time he stepped up. Urango? Yeah he was undefeated when Hatton faced him. But that was thanks only to a shameful gift win over Ben Rabah. I wouldn't call Tszyu totally shot either. He was clearly no longer in his prime. But shot is to strong a word. But there is no doubt Hatton doesn't beat him without his tag team partner Dave Parris. The referring in that fight was a disgrace.
If what Jones said himself tosses my arguement out the window than what Calzaghe said himself tosses your argument out the window. Cuz it came from Joe himself. Still it don't change the fact that Calzaghe did nothing to force a fight with Jones other than stay in the UK and claim Jones is ducking him right after he beat Tocker Pudwill
Jones said after the brannon fight as did every commentator that night that it was clear that jones had all the bargaining power and that because he was p4p 1 benn, calzaghe, eubank all should have to come fight him... then a few years later after jones kayoed virgil hill while DM sat ringside...Jones said he was willing to face him too, and since he flew over to watch him fight he could come back to fight but after that body shot DM hauled ass back to europe and it was never talked about again.
I guess its all irrelevant because the point or question that need to be asked is this: Regardless of all the he said this and that, WHO REALLY BELIEVES THAT JC, DM, eubank, collins, benn, would have beaten the SMW version of jones?
They all would have been beaten and quite easy at that....
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Lennox Lewis- Had a glass Jaw because he was KO'd by Rahman and McCall (never mind the fact he stood up to Bruno, Tyson, Holyfield, Tua, Mercer, Botha, Briggs, Golota, Grant, Ruddock without going down :-\)
Ricky Hatton- He always was over rated ( thoiugh no mention of the fact he lost only to the top 2 P4P fighters going today, held his own with 1 of them held titles in 2 weight classes and had only 1 loss at 140)
Joe Calzaghe- He avoided Jones until he knew Jones was shot by staying at home to fight (no mention of the fact Jones never went over there to fight, admitted he did not fight Clazaghe because at the time he had too much to lose, the fact Calzaghe came here to fight Jones and Jones called him out to fight during Joes fight against Hopkins Roy mentioned svereal times he wanted the winner)
No Lewis jaw wasn't glass. But you saying he stood up to the shots of Tyson, Golota (Ha!), Tua and Botha had me laughing. When exactly did he do that? You can't say you took somebodies punches if they never landed on you flush. I'm trying to remember if Golota even threw a punch. Much less connect with one
Hatton was always overrated. Name a good fighter Hatton beat that was in his prime.
Are you kidding me? Actual quote from Calzaghe back in 99
Joe Calzaghe - The Daily Mirror - June 1 - 1999 -
"I'm not chasing after Roy Jones. Be honest, Roy Jones is a good fighter and I don't want tough fights, I just want big money."
Pretty sure Lennox was caught flush quite a bit by Tua....But as we know you are always right....we will let the video decide....in the first 45 alone he caught shots that would have stopped most...then what about the Vitali fight? Lennox caught many flush shots that fight...The Mercer fight? Briggs fight?....
Leave me guess the video is doctored? No wait you had you Gang in the back dressing rooms for every fight making these guys practice making big shots LOOK like the landed but in truth they did not?
No no I got it you have actually sparred with all these guys while drinking a 40 and shagging your Ho!!! and none of the hit for shit!!!!
When your right your right Violent Demise...I swear you should be the boxing ringside expert for HBO and Sho
As for Golota you are right was not thinking nwhen I posted that name was just naming off past opp....Same for Grant don't think he even got one in
Oh and I see you bring what Calzaghe might have said in a paper but Ignore what Jones said about his refusing to go to the UK to defend during the Hopkins Calzaghe bout when he was commentating....Can't be just one sided...PLAYA!!!
Read the first line. Let me help you "No Lewis jaw wasn't glass." You know what that means? I can dumb it down further if you like. I'm actually agreeing with you that his jaw wasn't glass. To me it look like Tua was getting him with the end of his punches. Not flush. But I'll give to you any way. You acknowledge your foolishness in naming Golota. So I'll skip that. Grant landed one big shot on Lewis. That was it. Lewis took it well. He took Mercer shots pretty well overall. Briggs hurt him badly in the first. Vitali in the second. Not sure why you using those as good examples. Either way, I don't consider Lewis chin/jaw to be great. Far from it. But it's not glass either. It's just average
Still waiting on them Hatton names. I'm sure you just forgot to list them. I'll help you a bit. Carlos Maussa doesn't count.
Calzaghe knew if he wanted the big fights he had to come to the US. Everybody knew that. But Calzaghe never did. He was content facing WBO bums. Jones at the time was the p4p king. The number 1. A fighter wants to be number 1 he goes after the number 1. Not the other way around. Number 1 doesn't go after number 9. It don't work that way
HMMMM who has to dumb what down for who? Considering in my reply to you had nothing in it about youy saying Lewis had a glass chin it replied to you and the shots not landing flush...Reasons why I mentioned Mercer, Briggs etc...Just to add to fighters he was caught flush by not that he did not stand up to them...especially considering Lennox was down only twice in his career and he was out both times...The only 2 losses of his career....
I acknowledged the fact I made a mistake with adding Golota and Grant and stated I was naming the big punchers he faced before I thought about the actual fights....
Tua video that showed he many a flush shot what is your exact definition of
getting him on the end of his punches....The way you describe it he was barely landing and tall the punches were just scraping Lewis with his glove....
The other names were mentioned because Lewis took big punishment from them and stood tall...Hurt or not....
I did not get to hatton because we were on the topic of Lewis but OK...
Collazo, Urango, MaGee....HOF bound or P4P nop but all good fighters top 10 ranked when Hatton faced them...MaGee was a WBU defence nothing big here but I guess over seas is a bigger deal but MaGee is still a tough fighter at the time was no walk over for any 140lb fighter...
Tszyu was not a shot fighter when he faced Hatton...at his best no but he had kept a pretty slow schedule the years prior and had not taken too much abuse...so his inactivity hurt him leading up to the bout averaging 1 a year but shot no....
As for Calzaghe...Jones himself made the statement that he did not go fight him because it was too risky be it in the UK or states...he stated that on National TV while commentating on Calzaghe/Hopkins those words exactly get a copy of the fight and find out yourself....If
Jones said it himself then any arguement you have is out the window because Jones stated nothing about why should I have...I was ranked #1 he was ranked # whatever he said...IT WAS TOO RISKY FOR ME AT THAT TIME ESPECIALLY IF I HAD TO GO TO THE UK... he added nothing in on it....
Hatton has an official win over Collazo. But that's all. Anybody that knows how to score should of gave Collazo the win. Despite it not being called a knock down in the 12th (should of been) that was still a 10-8 round for Collazo. MaGee was a tough fighter. But he was a domestic fighter. He lost every time he stepped up. Urango? Yeah he was undefeated when Hatton faced him. But that was thanks only to a shameful gift win over Ben Rabah. I wouldn't call Tszyu totally shot either. He was clearly no longer in his prime. But shot is to strong a word. But there is no doubt Hatton doesn't beat him without his tag team partner Dave Parris. The referring in that fight was a disgrace.
If what Jones said himself tosses my arguement out the window than what Calzaghe said himself tosses your argument out the window. Cuz it came from Joe himself. Still it don't change the fact that Calzaghe did nothing to force a fight with Jones other than stay in the UK and claim Jones is ducking him right after he beat Tocker Pudwill
Jones said after the brannon fight as did every commentator that night that it was clear that jones had all the bargaining power and that because he was p4p 1 benn, calzaghe, eubank all should have to come fight him... then a few years later after jones kayoed virgil hill while DM sat ringside...Jones said he was willing to face him too, and since he flew over to watch him fight he could come back to fight but after that body shot DM hauled ass back to europe and it was never talked about again.
I guess its all irrelevant because the point or question that need to be asked is this: Regardless of all the he said this and that, WHO REALLY BELIEVES THAT JC, DM, eubank, collins, benn, would have beaten the SMW version of jones?
They all would have been beaten and quite easy at that....
Thanks for keeping it real
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Re: The logic of some posters kills me.....
I'd have to say that type of logic comes from either, newbies, or fighter fans, not boxing fans. Boxing fans are fair and look at everything from all angles. Fighter fans, look at things from one perspective without giving a chance to see things from another view. Newbies are just that, newbies.
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Re: The logic of some posters kills me.....
Good discussion, the way I see it if somebody says some dumb statement - if they are
inexperienced in boxing or just trying to be some wise guy. For the inexperienced, then it becomes a learning process. For the wise guy, then it should be gloves off and a free for all in the
counterpunching some idiot statement. Then there are those honest errors that we all make from time-to-time i.e. we can all have a "oops moment".;D:-X
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Re: The logic of some posters kills me.....
To be fair everyone's had their moments of shining idiocy. No big deal we are all human it's part of the human condition. Almost everyone here has brought something to the table that makes this an entertaining place.
As far as logic is concerned, I believe that it is the default setting in fields of politics and sports to be a lawyer (slanting facts one way to make an argument, ignoring others to save the argument) as opposed to being a juror (making a judgement on provable facts).
There will always be the "He has a good record on boxrec so he must be good" and the "Fighter A beat Fighter B, Fighter B beat Fighter C so Fighter A must beat Fighter C" equation.
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Re: The logic of some posters kills me.....
The young naive "mike tyson in his prime" posters always amuse me.
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Re: The logic of some posters kills me.....
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Lance Uppercut
The young naive "mike tyson in his prime" posters always amuse me.
No bullshit!!!!! ;D;D;D
