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Last week's Lesner vs Carwin fight had been referred to as the biggest MMA fight ever.
Lesner earned $475,000
Carwin earned $ 40,000
It's funny when you compare this to De La Hoya vs Maywhether
ODLH earned approx $66,000,000
Maywhether earned approx $44,000,000
... Really??:confused: If it's true, it's really nothing, especially if you consider that MMA fighters have often up to 4-5 different coaches they do work with..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
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Originally Posted by Nameless... Really??:confused: If it's true, it's really nothing, especially if you consider that MMA fighters have often up to 4-5 different coaches they do work with..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
Many factors in this tbf.
MMA is not as popular as boxing therefor the PPV numbers are not going to be as high, plus UFC is free for UK viewers if you have ESPN, never had to pay for a UFC card yet. Dana White loves money and pays peanuts compared to big time boxers. Also consider the amount of top bouts that are on a UFC fight card compared to a main event boxing card.
Dana can get away with paying what he feels the fighters are worth as UFC has the highest global appeal. Most MMA fighters see the UFC as the pinnacle of cage fighting and thats where they want to compete ( bar a few names ) so they will take whats on offer more than not.
Personally i never forsee MMA fighters ever getting as much as the likes of the De La Hoya's of the this world.
the best in boxing make way more then the best in mma.
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Originally Posted by Boxer4life
I dont think that's being disputed bud.
hahaaha i know just throwing it out thereQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
I dont think that's being disputed bud.
Wow.. Didnt expect it to be this much of a difference but i guess it makes sense.
Has nothing to do with Dana White...Has to do with the whole Payroll comes off the UFC and no one else....If they were paying fighters $3,000,000 a bout they would go broke...Take how many fighters they have....Take how many elite fighters exist in the UFCQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Nameless... Really??:confused: If it's true, it's really nothing, especially if you consider that MMA fighters have often up to 4-5 different coaches they do work with..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
Many factors in this tbf.
MMA is not as popular as boxing therefor the PPV numbers are not going to be as high, plus UFC is free for UK viewers if you have ESPN, never had to pay for a UFC card yet. Dana White loves money and pays peanuts compared to big time boxers. Also consider the amount of top bouts that are on a UFC fight card compared to a main event boxing card.
Dana can get away with paying what he feels the fighters are worth as UFC has the highest global appeal. Most MMA fighters see the UFC as the pinnacle of cage fighting and thats where they want to compete ( bar a few names ) so they will take whats on offer more than not.
Personally i never forsee MMA fighters ever getting as much as the likes of the De La Hoya's of the this world.
which is about 80% because they are the best of the best in MMA every fighter espires to make it there and get a contract.....
In boxing the purses to be paid are split between promoters one guy does not pay it all....
On the other hand in MMA lets say Brock made 475,000...plus his sponsor payments, plus other sponsorship payments, plus PA fees....he made jst abt a cool million for the fight.......MMA fighters don't pay the high training camp feesw regular fighters do they train with the guys they train with every day...They dont pay every guy they train with...these guys spend gym time together upcoming fight or not......
One day the purses will be bigger right now just not possible.......
As for Dana White as much as he likes money he knows he cant make money withoput the fighters....The fighters will walk to Japan ASAP if they feel fucked and Dana will be AOL......
500 000 is not bad for a fight, especially with the sponsors but the 40 000 Carwin gets is a tad ludicrous though...Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnHas nothing to do with Dana White...Has to do with the whole Payroll comes off the UFC and no one else....If they were paying fighters $3,000,000 a bout they would go broke...Take how many fighters they have....Take how many elite fighters exist in the UFCQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Nameless... Really??:confused: If it's true, it's really nothing, especially if you consider that MMA fighters have often up to 4-5 different coaches they do work with..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
Many factors in this tbf.
MMA is not as popular as boxing therefor the PPV numbers are not going to be as high, plus UFC is free for UK viewers if you have ESPN, never had to pay for a UFC card yet. Dana White loves money and pays peanuts compared to big time boxers. Also consider the amount of top bouts that are on a UFC fight card compared to a main event boxing card.
Dana can get away with paying what he feels the fighters are worth as UFC has the highest global appeal. Most MMA fighters see the UFC as the pinnacle of cage fighting and thats where they want to compete ( bar a few names ) so they will take whats on offer more than not.
Personally i never forsee MMA fighters ever getting as much as the likes of the De La Hoya's of the this world.
which is about 80% because they are the best of the best in MMA every fighter espires to make it there and get a contract.....
In boxing the purses to be paid are split between promoters one guy does not pay it all....
On the other hand in MMA lets say Brock made 475,000...plus his sponsor payments, plus other sponsorship payments, plus PA fees....he made jst abt a cool million for the fight.......MMA fighters don't pay the high training camp feesw regular fighters do they train with the guys they train with every day...They dont pay every guy they train with...these guys spend gym time together upcoming fight or not......
One day the purses will be bigger right now just not possible.......
As for Dana White as much as he likes money he knows he cant make money withoput the fighters....The fighters will walk to Japan ASAP if they feel fucked and Dana will be AOL......
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahnHas nothing to do with Dana White...Has to do with the whole Payroll comes off the UFC and no one else....If they were paying fighters $3,000,000 a bout they would go broke...Take how many fighters they have....Take how many elite fighters exist in the UFCQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Nameless... Really??:confused: If it's true, it's really nothing, especially if you consider that MMA fighters have often up to 4-5 different coaches they do work with..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
Many factors in this tbf.
MMA is not as popular as boxing therefor the PPV numbers are not going to be as high, plus UFC is free for UK viewers if you have ESPN, never had to pay for a UFC card yet. Dana White loves money and pays peanuts compared to big time boxers. Also consider the amount of top bouts that are on a UFC fight card compared to a main event boxing card.
Dana can get away with paying what he feels the fighters are worth as UFC has the highest global appeal. Most MMA fighters see the UFC as the pinnacle of cage fighting and thats where they want to compete ( bar a few names ) so they will take whats on offer more than not.
Personally i never forsee MMA fighters ever getting as much as the likes of the De La Hoya's of the this world.
which is about 80% because they are the best of the best in MMA every fighter espires to make it there and get a contract.....
In boxing the purses to be paid are split between promoters one guy does not pay it all....
On the other hand in MMA lets say Brock made 475,000...plus his sponsor payments, plus other sponsorship payments, plus PA fees....he made jst abt a cool million for the fight.......MMA fighters don't pay the high training camp feesw regular fighters do they train with the guys they train with every day...They dont pay every guy they train with...these guys spend gym time together upcoming fight or not......
One day the purses will be bigger right now just not possible.......
As for Dana White as much as he likes money he knows he cant make money withoput the fighters....The fighters will walk to Japan ASAP if they feel fucked and Dana will be AOL......
Come on it has loads to do with Dana White, he is the man behind UFC, it's the Feritta brothers ( probs spelt wrong )that have Zuffer and the money men as such, but if it wasnt for Dana UFC would have been on their arses long time ago.
Everything else ya say i agree with tho :cool:
I saw the Lesnar Carwin fight and it was shite!!
No wonder theyre paid fuuck all!
Lesnar wobbled everywhere and tried for "takedowns" but got thrown around like a rag doll then laid in the fetal position on the floor for a couple of minutes, absolutely clueless as to what to do.
Then you have the other fat fuucker sat on top of him throwing very slow and week punches until his total lack of fitness showed.
I thought the ref was going to stop it in the first, lesnar literally gave up and didnt want to know. Iv seen these fights stopped for much less. As pathetic as the punches were, Lesnar gave up and did nothing!!
They dont deserve any more money than this, if they cant even fight properly and dont have any stamina they arent going to make much of a spectacle worth paying for:p
Your missing the point...NO it has NOTHING to do with Dana White....If boxing only had 1 promoter it would be the same thing.....Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnHas nothing to do with Dana White...Has to do with the whole Payroll comes off the UFC and no one else....If they were paying fighters $3,000,000 a bout they would go broke...Take how many fighters they have....Take how many elite fighters exist in the UFCQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Nameless... Really??:confused: If it's true, it's really nothing, especially if you consider that MMA fighters have often up to 4-5 different coaches they do work with..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
Many factors in this tbf.
MMA is not as popular as boxing therefor the PPV numbers are not going to be as high, plus UFC is free for UK viewers if you have ESPN, never had to pay for a UFC card yet. Dana White loves money and pays peanuts compared to big time boxers. Also consider the amount of top bouts that are on a UFC fight card compared to a main event boxing card.
Dana can get away with paying what he feels the fighters are worth as UFC has the highest global appeal. Most MMA fighters see the UFC as the pinnacle of cage fighting and thats where they want to compete ( bar a few names ) so they will take whats on offer more than not.
Personally i never forsee MMA fighters ever getting as much as the likes of the De La Hoya's of the this world.
which is about 80% because they are the best of the best in MMA every fighter espires to make it there and get a contract.....
In boxing the purses to be paid are split between promoters one guy does not pay it all....
On the other hand in MMA lets say Brock made 475,000...plus his sponsor payments, plus other sponsorship payments, plus PA fees....he made jst abt a cool million for the fight.......MMA fighters don't pay the high training camp feesw regular fighters do they train with the guys they train with every day...They dont pay every guy they train with...these guys spend gym time together upcoming fight or not......
One day the purses will be bigger right now just not possible.......
As for Dana White as much as he likes money he knows he cant make money withoput the fighters....The fighters will walk to Japan ASAP if they feel fucked and Dana will be AOL......
Come on it has loads to do with Dana White, he is the man behind UFC, it's the Feritta brothers ( probs spelt wrong )that have Zuffer and the money men as such, but if it wasnt for Dana UFC would have been on their arses long time ago.
Everything else ya say i agree with tho :cool:
THE MONEY IS NOT THERE TO PAY THE SAME AS THE ELITE BOXERS!!!!!!!!
EG- If you have only 1 well to drink from and there are 25,000 people looking for drinks everyone has to get a portioned amount or the well runs dry....
You cant let everyone have all they want can you? Doesn't matter who owns the well when its empty its empty.............
If they all made hundreds of thousands and millions they would run dry quick...They can't pay what they dont have.....If you think the UFC has the individual finances of Golden Boy, DKP or Arum your mistaken greatly!!!!!!! Those promoters can't affoard the paydays alone
Boxing has no less they 20 major promoters in the world that work together on events to raise funds for these mega paydays...they don't do it alone........
As fars as the DLH/PBF paydays those were not flat purses that was what each MIGHT I stress MIGHT have made off the bouts those are not positive guarenteed earnings for each anyone who takes those numbers from the media and believe it in stone needs to buy the bridge in Brooklyn I own.....
Those numbers also reflect the PPV%, gate%, promotional expenses paid for appearences, portion of broadcasting etc through the promotion companies they take part in..Those numbers are not flat purses...If that was the case these guys would be making upwards of 75,000,000 per fight
Don't Sugar Coat it Ross tell us how you feel about it all Really :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
Yeah I heard Dana say this is the biggest HW fight in a long, long time so Carwin gets only $40,000?
Dana's also said UFC can/will be bigger than the NFL one day. Wonder if he wants UFC fighters to have a union like NFL players do too?
The fight was pathetic. One lumbering fool beat up another who didnt want to fight in the first round.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnDon't Sugar Coat it Ross tell us how you feel about it all Really :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
The lumbering fool that was actually working got tired because he was fat and out of shape then the one that didnt want to fight and hadnt done much basically laid down again but this time he choked him;D
Its not exciting to watch at all! Youll never see a back and forth battle like Barrera v Morales:rolleyes:
The main event guys earned half a mil. The rest of the card almost certainly made less than half a mil between them.
Here's actual numbers from a previous event :
According to information provided Monday by the Nevada State Athletic Commission, the UFC paid the 18 fighters on the card a total of $407,000 US - with $250,000 of that going to light-heavyweight champion Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell for stopping Brazil's Renato "Babalu" Sobral in 95 seconds in the main event. Sobral earned $21,000.
mmauniverse.com
So that's a million to pay the fighters, let's say another two million to cover promotional costs, this is way over the top but let's say two. That's three million.
The gate would have been over three million. There would have been millions more from sponsorship. The event makes a profit before you count a dollar from TV. US PPV, let's say a million buys at $40 a time, that's $40 million. Half that with the TV companies and that's $20 million. Then you've got foreign TV rights, millions more on top of the $20 mil. UFC is a private company and doesn't have to release numbers but it's clear who's making all the money here and it isn't the fighters.
Oh I agree on that point I was just kiddin with ya about the tell us how you really feel....But like any sport though that has full contact the fans look to heavyweights for the knockouts and can care less about the skill level;...This is why hwts even in Boxing have gone to shit.....Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThe fight was pathetic. One lumbering fool beat up another who didnt want to fight in the first round.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnDon't Sugar Coat it Ross tell us how you feel about it all Really :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
The lumbering fool that was actually working got tired because he was fat and out of shape then the one that didnt want to fight and hadnt done much basically laid down again but this time he choked him;D
Its not exciting to watch at all! Youll never see a back and forth battle like Barrera v Morales:rolleyes:
My man it cost more then 3 million just to insure one of those cardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
And after all those expenses, uncle Sam is going to take a cut of that pie like it was his favorite. And even a few years later he'll want seconds.
Supprised that the ufc fighters get so little copmaired to top boxers.
As I think sombody has already mentioned they seem pleased just to be fighting in the ufc and not bothered they may be getting less than there boxing brothers.
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahnYour missing the point...NO it has NOTHING to do with Dana White....If boxing only had 1 promoter it would be the same thing.....Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnHas nothing to do with Dana White...Has to do with the whole Payroll comes off the UFC and no one else....If they were paying fighters $3,000,000 a bout they would go broke...Take how many fighters they have....Take how many elite fighters exist in the UFCQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Nameless... Really??:confused: If it's true, it's really nothing, especially if you consider that MMA fighters have often up to 4-5 different coaches they do work with..Quote:
Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut
Many factors in this tbf.
MMA is not as popular as boxing therefor the PPV numbers are not going to be as high, plus UFC is free for UK viewers if you have ESPN, never had to pay for a UFC card yet. Dana White loves money and pays peanuts compared to big time boxers. Also consider the amount of top bouts that are on a UFC fight card compared to a main event boxing card.
Dana can get away with paying what he feels the fighters are worth as UFC has the highest global appeal. Most MMA fighters see the UFC as the pinnacle of cage fighting and thats where they want to compete ( bar a few names ) so they will take whats on offer more than not.
Personally i never forsee MMA fighters ever getting as much as the likes of the De La Hoya's of the this world.
which is about 80% because they are the best of the best in MMA every fighter espires to make it there and get a contract.....
In boxing the purses to be paid are split between promoters one guy does not pay it all....
On the other hand in MMA lets say Brock made 475,000...plus his sponsor payments, plus other sponsorship payments, plus PA fees....he made jst abt a cool million for the fight.......MMA fighters don't pay the high training camp feesw regular fighters do they train with the guys they train with every day...They dont pay every guy they train with...these guys spend gym time together upcoming fight or not......
One day the purses will be bigger right now just not possible.......
As for Dana White as much as he likes money he knows he cant make money withoput the fighters....The fighters will walk to Japan ASAP if they feel fucked and Dana will be AOL......
Come on it has loads to do with Dana White, he is the man behind UFC, it's the Feritta brothers ( probs spelt wrong )that have Zuffer and the money men as such, but if it wasnt for Dana UFC would have been on their arses long time ago.
Everything else ya say i agree with tho :cool:
THE MONEY IS NOT THERE TO PAY THE SAME AS THE ELITE BOXERS!!!!!!!!
EG- If you have only 1 well to drink from and there are 25,000 people looking for drinks everyone has to get a portioned amount or the well runs dry....
You cant let everyone have all they want can you? Doesn't matter who owns the well when its empty its empty.............
If they all made hundreds of thousands and millions they would run dry quick...They can't pay what they dont have.....If you think the UFC has the individual finances of Golden Boy, DKP or Arum your mistaken greatly!!!!!!! Those promoters can't affoard the paydays alone
Boxing has no less they 20 major promoters in the world that work together on events to raise funds for these mega paydays...they don't do it alone........
As fars as the DLH/PBF paydays those were not flat purses that was what each MIGHT I stress MIGHT have made off the bouts those are not positive guarenteed earnings for each anyone who takes those numbers from the media and believe it in stone needs to buy the bridge in Brooklyn I own.....
Those numbers also reflect the PPV%, gate%, promotional expenses paid for appearences, portion of broadcasting etc through the promotion companies they take part in..Those numbers are not flat purses...If that was the case these guys would be making upwards of 75,000,000 per fight
Daxx dont get me wrong I agree with all ya saying. It's Dana White that controls the purse strings regards to who gets paid what. So yes Dana has alot to do with who gets paid what in the UFC, HE makes the fights and awards the purse, he states what a fighter gets paid.
I dont believe at any point i said the UFC have the money GBP or Top rank have so i cannot understand your statement :confused:
one good thing about the ufc though is that the fighters may get short changed but the fans dont.
Even though I am a boxing fan through and through I got to admit your avarge ufc show has more action fight by fight than your avarge ppv boxing show.
Agreed :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
Followed both sports since i was about 14-15, boxing being my 1st love, but UFC / MMA for me is a better watch than most big time boxing matches nowadays. The more ya watch the greater the appreciation ya have for the technacalities of each facet of the game.
They'd insure the event for more than three mil but the premium would only be a fraction of what they insure the event for. Insurance costs aren't exactly near the top of the list of promoters' expenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnMy man it cost more then 3 million just to insure one of those cardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
And thats where the problem lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
UFC fights are many and frequent.
Top boxers might fight once or twice a year if we are lucky and then spend months before that travelling and promoting the fight.
Boxing promoters are second to none at generating excitment and therefore money. Take the Haye vs Valuev fight. One fight made a man and made that man very rich. All through the powers of promotion.
It always amazes me just how boxing has sustained itself, it never really seems like a business model that would make money off of anyone but the hardcore fans. Yet it makes some of the richest sports people around.
You need have either cash or Collateral up front and you need pay card by card basis for fight ins you are confused with Auto, health and home insQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThey'd insure the event for more than three mil but the premium would only be a fraction of what they insure the event for. Insurance costs aren't exactly near the top of the list of promoters' expenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnMy man it cost more then 3 million just to insure one of those cardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
the sport of mma has yet to get the cancer that is greed. But as sure as i am the sun
will rise tomorrow this will one day happen, its called the frank warren effect.
People have to realize the A. Boxing has been around forever. MMA has been around what maybe 20 years? And only recently gathered a main stream audience. B. There is an MMA PPV every single month how often to you get a great boxing match? The main guys in boxing fight maybe twice a year MAYBE. So in that there is much more buildup for those bouts than you have with a MMA match. People have to stop this MMA vs Boxing garbage because I tell you what if they both came into existence at the same time MMA would be vastly more popular than boxing. I love both sports but get sick of the ridiculous debate and the constant boxing fans downing MMA and MMA fans doing the same with boxing.
How many times did the main draws of MMA, Lesner and GSP fight last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caine3078
And this, based on what ??? other then pure speculation, your magic eight ball?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caine3078
while I'm boxing first, MMA 2nd, as far as interests go, I agree. They are two entirely different sports with different fan bases that don't necessarily overlap as much as people think. They can survive together, separately, and independent of one another. And learn a few things from each other along the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caine3078
What you fail to realize is Lesnar and GSP are not the only MAIN draws MMA. They have Several.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodHow many times did the main draws of MMA, Lesner and GSP fight last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caine3078
Machida
Rampage
Big Nog
Anderson Silva
BJ Penn
Shogun
Fedor
Dan Henderson
Randy Couture
In boxing right now as far as MAIN draw guys the guys that can really bring in the money there are only two Manny and Floyd. Yes lesser boxers do make more money then the main guys of MMA and thats because the sport has been around longer and has more of an established audience. MMA is still a relatively new sport and is growing.
Maybe what you fail to realize, is that there is more to this sport then just PAC and PBF. The super six alone has guys getting paid 1 mill per fight and it isn't just because we like to pay our athletes better. There is a lot of interest. How many of those fighters can you name that are getting 1 mill per fight? How about Haye? He's pulling some big numbers and it'll increase if he continues to perform. How about the Klitchko's when they fight? The list goes on and on. It isn't just because boxing is established. wtf? Not our fault the UFC takes the lions share of revenues, and doesn't compensate so many of their stars in the sport, when even so close to the pinnacle of it, they are still getting peanuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caine3078What you fail to realize is Lesnar and GSP are not the only MAIN draws MMA. They have Several.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodHow many times did the main draws of MMA, Lesner and GSP fight last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caine3078
Machida
Rampage
Big Nog
Anderson Silva
BJ Penn
Shogun
Fedor
Dan Henderson
Randy Couture
In boxing right now as far as MAIN draw guys the guys that can really bring in the money there are only two Manny and Floyd. Yes lesser boxers do make more money then the main guys of MMA and thats because the sport has been around longer and has more of an established audience. MMA is still a relatively new sport and is growing.
They are going to wake up one day and realize how badly they are getting fukked over by Dana White and the UFC. This is a combat sport. The next fight might be your last. Carwin, 40 k ? wtf?
But hey, you're sick of the ridiculous debate of MMA vs boxing, so i'll just quit now so I don't help you propagate another fallacy. :p
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Originally Posted by YoungbloodMaybe what you fail to realize, is that there is more to this sport then just PAC and PBF. The super six alone has guys getting paid 1 mill per fight and it isn't just because we like to pay our athletes better. There is a lot of interest. How many of those fighters can you name that are getting 1 mill per fight? How about Haye? He's pulling some big numbers and it'll increase if he continues to perform. How about the Klitchko's when they fight? The list goes on and on. It isn't just because boxing is established. wtf? Not our fault the UFC takes the lions share of revenues, and doesn't compensate so many of their stars in the sport, when even so close to the pinnacle of it, they are still getting peanuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caine3078What you fail to realize is Lesnar and GSP are not the only MAIN draws MMA. They have Several.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodHow many times did the main draws of MMA, Lesner and GSP fight last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caine3078
Machida
Rampage
Big Nog
Anderson Silva
BJ Penn
Shogun
Fedor
Dan Henderson
Randy Couture
In boxing right now as far as MAIN draw guys the guys that can really bring in the money there are only two Manny and Floyd. Yes lesser boxers do make more money then the main guys of MMA and thats because the sport has been around longer and has more of an established audience. MMA is still a relatively new sport and is growing.
They are going to wake up one day and realize how badly they are getting fukked over by Dana White and the UFC. This is a combat sport. The next fight might be your last. Carwin, 40 k ? wtf?
But hey, you're sick of the ridiculous debate of MMA vs boxing, so i'll just quit now so I don't help you propagate another fallacy. :p
Love this debate ;D
Dan Henderson wanted 1 mill for his next fight in UFC, Dana basically told him to go fcuk himself and he left for Strikeforce, and got beat in his next fight lol serves ya right Dan !
From what i remember even Fedor didnt get offered 1 mill to come across to UFC, and he's arguably the most sought after MMA fighter not in the UFC
I am starting to smell wind up artist attempting in this threadQuote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanQuote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodMaybe what you fail to realize, is that there is more to this sport then just PAC and PBF. The super six alone has guys getting paid 1 mill per fight and it isn't just because we like to pay our athletes better. There is a lot of interest. How many of those fighters can you name that are getting 1 mill per fight? How about Haye? He's pulling some big numbers and it'll increase if he continues to perform. How about the Klitchko's when they fight? The list goes on and on. It isn't just because boxing is established. wtf? Not our fault the UFC takes the lions share of revenues, and doesn't compensate so many of their stars in the sport, when even so close to the pinnacle of it, they are still getting peanuts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caine3078What you fail to realize is Lesnar and GSP are not the only MAIN draws MMA. They have Several.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoungbloodHow many times did the main draws of MMA, Lesner and GSP fight last year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caine3078
Machida
Rampage
Big Nog
Anderson Silva
BJ Penn
Shogun
Fedor
Dan Henderson
Randy Couture
In boxing right now as far as MAIN draw guys the guys that can really bring in the money there are only two Manny and Floyd. Yes lesser boxers do make more money then the main guys of MMA and thats because the sport has been around longer and has more of an established audience. MMA is still a relatively new sport and is growing.
They are going to wake up one day and realize how badly they are getting fukked over by Dana White and the UFC. This is a combat sport. The next fight might be your last. Carwin, 40 k ? wtf?
But hey, you're sick of the ridiculous debate of MMA vs boxing, so i'll just quit now so I don't help you propagate another fallacy. :p
Love this debate ;D
Dan Henderson wanted 1 mill for his next fight in UFC, Dana basically told him to go fcuk himself and he left for Strikeforce, and got beat in his next fight lol serves ya right Dan !
From what i remember even Fedor didnt get offered 1 mill to come across to UFC, and he's arguably the most sought after MMA fighter not in the UFC
So you are really going to tell me that boxing being an established sport with DECADES of establishment has nothing to do with how much boxers are getting paid? For real? I'm sorry but the super six while I love it because I'm a boxing fanatic isn't getting that much interest at all. 1 mil per fight for a boxer is nothing and thats just real. You know it as well as I do. How many casual boxing fans care about David Haye? Boxing does as well as it does because its been around forever and its fan base is set although it has been on a decline lately with a lack of superstars. Yes there are some fighters out there that have the potential to be superstars but they are not there yet. You can't honestly tell me anyone in the super six is a superstar. Ward is a superstar in the making but he's not there yet. The klits aren't superstars either because if they were majority of boxing fans wouldn't think the heavyweight division was shitty.
They might be overdoing it with all these PPV's once or even twice a month - too much of a good thing. My brother follows MMA pretty close & he sees guys on chat rooms start complaining that certain fights are not PPV worthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caine3078
Someone told me yesterday that Dan also talked about starting a union in UFC - I could see Dana telling Dan to get lost for that reason too. Can you imagine a work stoppage in UFC if they became unionized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattyhitman
i personally enjoyed the ufc 116 card much more entertaining than anything boxing has given me for a long while
You can look at it any way you want it but Carwin, a major draw to the gates with his flashy K.O power getting only 40k is beyond the mountain of ludicrousness. A main draw 40K? Can't believe how shit Zuffa are on that side.
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Originally Posted by Nameless
You gotta realize the UFC fighters sign a contract in that contract it states how much they will get per fight. When carwin signed with the UFC he was not a main draw. Hell no one outside of die hard MMA fans even knew who he was. His contract amount was $40K but that does not include the ppv % he got nor the back stage bonuses he gets. When fighters in the UFC begin to exceed the level of their current contract they get backstage bonuses to compensate for their contract amount until the sign a new one. People who don't follow MMA that closely don't know about that. Fighters also get alot of cash from sponsorships.
not really into MMA... is Big Daddy still kicking Giant Haystacks arse every saturday afternoon....
EASY...EASY...EASY ;D