We already know the first...But what upset warrents the 2nd place position?
Lewis rahman1??
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We already know the first...But what upset warrents the 2nd place position?
Lewis rahman1??
Liston vs Ali 1
Who is the first?Quote:
Originally Posted by fury
Tyson Douglas.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnWho is the first?Quote:
Originally Posted by fury
We are judging this how? Betting Odds?Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterTyson Douglas.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnWho is the first?Quote:
Originally Posted by fury
I dont think that was as big a deal as Schmeling over Louis...
That's a bit of a hard sell as the biggest upset. Granted Louis looked dominating coming into the fight, but Schmeling had beaten some decent fighters like Young Stribling and the great Mickey Walker (admittedly out of his depth at HW) and he'd been robbed of the title against Jack Sharkey. Douglas had beaten the likes of Page, a green McCall & Berbick, but he seemed nowhere near a threat, whereas in contrast Schmeling did.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnWe are judging this how? Betting Odds?Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterTyson Douglas.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnWho is the first?Quote:
Originally Posted by fury
I dont think that was as big a deal as Schmeling over Louis...
Anyway, I'd put the 2nd biggest upset of all time as being Randy Turpin's win over Sugar Ray Robinson. Turpin had beaten some decent European Middleweights, but logically his loftiest aim would have been to make it to the final bell (seeing as SRR generally went for the KO on his European 'tours'), but instead he got his hand raised. Granted Robinson had been fighting a busy schedule, but nobody expected Turpin to win.
some great picks guys.... Ali - Foreman has to be in the mix
Dempsey-Willard
Braddock-Baer
Basilio-Robinson
Rubin Hurricaine Carter, a more or less washed up boxer at his time not only beating but knocking off Emile Griffin has to be in there as well in my opinion.
There had to be someone who would try and make out that Tyson losing to Douglas wasnt that big a deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnWe are judging this how? Betting Odds?Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterTyson Douglas.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnWho is the first?Quote:
Originally Posted by fury
I dont think that was as big a deal as Schmeling over Louis...
Bearing in mind that there hasnt been that many major shocks or upsets since (Lewis rahman doesnt come close, Tyson was seen as invincible, Lewis had already been sparked), anyone dissagreeing is basically saying that all the journalists, fans and histrorians that point out this fight as a major sports, let alone boxing upset are wrong;)
Hamed and Barrera is sort of similar, Hamed was ruining fighters and Barrera had been beaten a few times and was moving up. I agree that quality would always beat Hamed but he did decline after he left Ingle and went with that twat Suarez and didnt he train with Steward a bit? In fact I think I remember reading about Steward saying how strong or powerfull Hamed was?
Benn beating Mc Clellan?
Tarver-jones
So many upsets come to mind here, i will start with Honeyghan V Curry "who is this ragamuffin man" said Curry the day before the fight. He soon found out.
Foreman V Frazier 1 Smokin Joe was a prohibitive favourite going into this fight with George a 3-1 underdog. 6 knockdowns later....
Spinks V Ali 1...the great man should have retired long before this embarrassment happened.
Yeah THANK YOU!!! That was exactly it....I was trying to act as if it was not a big deal and was trying to act as if I knew more then all the historians, fans, journalist and that what I posted was the only correct answer....How can you make such a comment and not even spell historians correctQuote:
Originally Posted by rossThere had to be someone who would try and make out that Tyson losing to Douglas wasnt that big a deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnWe are judging this how? Betting Odds?Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterTyson Douglas.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnWho is the first?Quote:
Originally Posted by fury
I dont think that was as big a deal as Schmeling over Louis...
Bearing in mind that there hasnt been that many major shocks or upsets since (Lewis rahman doesnt come close, Tyson was seen as invincible, Lewis had already been sparked), anyone dissagreeing is basically saying that all the journalists, fans and histroians that point out this fight as a major sports, let alone boxing upset are wrong;)
Hamed and Barrera is sort of similar, Hamed was ruining fighters and Barrera had been beaten a few times and was moving up. I agree that quality would always beat Hamed but he did decline after he left Ingle and went with that twat Suarez and didnt he train with Steward a bit? In fact I think I remember reading about Steward saying how strong or powerfull Hamed was?
Benn beating Mc Clellan?
Though I see no where I stated such a thing or implied it...I see where I asked on how this was being decided betting odds? Betting wise yes it was the biggest in boxing history...Louis Schmeling was such an upset for other reasons
Joe Louis vs. Max Schmeling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,,,...
It was also a fight that had zero relevance to anyone outside of boxing...
Tyson was considered no more invincible in the public eye then Louis was when he lost to Schmeling, Liston was when he lost to Clay, Dempsey when he lost to Tunney, Foreman when he lost to Ali...
I think Tyson vs Holyfield I was 25 to 1 odds
Clay vs Liston was 8 to 1 odds.
Some really good picks already. How about...
Zivic vs. Armstrong
Foreman vs. Moorer
Duran vs. Laing
Olivares vs. Herrera
Alexis vs. Vilomar
1. Tyson-Douglas : agreed. Tyson was considered unbeatable and Douglas a nothing
2. Liston-Ali : Liston was where Tyson was. Ali was no joke like Douglas but people didn't quite take him seriously yet.
3. Foreman-Ali : Foreman at this point was even beyond where Liston and Tyson were, having absolutely detroyed future HOFers Norton and Frazier. People were fearing for the aging Ali's life.
4. Chavez-Randall : Chavez had already been outboxed by Sweetpea, but he was still in his prime and had never hit the canvas. Randall, an unknown 3rd rater, put him precisely there.
5. Jones-Tarver : Jones barely squeaked out the first fight, but seeing him Koed was still shocking, as he went his whole career barely getting hurt while Ko-ing opponants at a spectacualr rate.
6. Norris-Brown : Norris' weak chin was known, but he was so dominant going into the Simon brown fight, that the KO was quite shocking.
7. Nunn-Toney : In retrospect, he wasn't that good, but at the time Nunn was the next Leonard, an artist with even more power so we thought after the Kalambay fight. In retrospect, Tooney was better than the crude brawler he was advertised to be, but at the time that is what people thought these repctive boxers were, so this was quite a shock.
8. Tyson-Holyfield : Going in, Mike appeared not too far from his prime and Holy looked shot, with some heart problem to boot. So this was shocking
9. Toney-Tiberi : Toney was a lb4lber and Tiberi was unknown. Tiberi was robbed but if you disregard the scoring, he scored one of the great upsets in history.
10. Moore-Duran : I never saw this one, but I understand people thought Duran was shot, having lost to Kirkland Liang. Not sure how good Moore was though so I'm guessing.
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Originally Posted by Manju
Chavez Randall is a good one especially after Chavez close calls and recent gifts most just expected him to coast to 100-0 against cab drivers
For me the craziest upsets I've ever witnessed was Tyson vs Holyfield and Hamed vs Barrera. Nothing else really came close to those.
Not sure where it would rank but Jose Napoles being "tko'd" by Billy backus is up there.
"Crazy" Curtis Knight vs Juan "Domino" Vazquez has to be up there as well.....
Hatton losing to Mayweather rocked the world bigger than the Indonesian Tsunami, massive upset that one - wasnt it Hammer :o
;D
Khaosai Galaxy v Sakda Saksuree, the only fight he ever lost.
I don't count Tyson Douglas as big an upset as Braddock over Baer. Tyson was just a bully. Baer could and did kill another fighter with his fists. I knew of the Braddock legend long before the Ron Howard flick.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnWe are judging this how? Betting Odds?Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterTyson Douglas.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnWho is the first?Quote:
Originally Posted by fury
I dont think that was as big a deal as Schmeling over Louis...
Afer reading all the posts on this thread I am amazed that the Sugar Ray Robinson-Randy Turpin Fight has not been mentioned.
Sugar Ray Robinson is considered by most as the gratest fighter of all time in any weight division.
His loss against Turpin is possibly a bigger upset than the Tyson Douglas fight.
Lol No way Hamed was ever going to beat BarreraQuote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
It's up there, pal. And worth mentioning again! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
C'mon! Hamed was undefeated, and pure puncher! This was at one of Barrera's lowest points in his career. At the time, it looked like what the Klitschko are doing now. People thought the only way to derail this champ was to go in there guns blazing and take his block off. BUT much to the chagrin of british fight fans... we had Berrara. A PURE boxer with skills in and out of the pocket. It took the greatest of technique, and immense skill to get Hamed outta there.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HLol No way Hamed was ever going to beat BarreraQuote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
Well, here is an excerpt from my most recent book, Planet Boxing, but I have some great upsets in my second book:
"The Upsets
"Seven truly incredible upsets occurred involving Jamaican boxers starting with Trevor Berbick's 1980 unforgettable ambush KO of Big John Tate in Montreal, a fight which set the stage for six more shockers.
"Welterweight champion Lloyd "Ragamuffin" Honeyghan (43-5), nicknamed "Ragamuffin" due to his Jamaican heritage, defeated heavily favored Donald Curry in 1986. Curry, nicknamed the "Cobra," was being touted at the time as a pound for pound fighter, but would never be the same and, more importantly, the loss thwarted a dream match with Marvelous Marvin Hagler for the middleweight championship in what could have been one of the richest fight in history.
"In an equally stunning upset, welterweight Kirkland Laing, 43-12-1, beat the great Roberto Duran in 1982. Duran would recover from this shocker; Laing would never capitalize on it.
"In 1993, Michael Bentt knocked out heavily favored Tommy Morrison in 1993 in an incredible first round upset. Morrison's camp had terribly underestimated Bentt and did a poor job of researching his Michaels amateur credentials.
"Who could forget the great Simon "Mantequilla" Brown, WBC and IBF Welterweight Titlist, who KO'd Hall of Famer Terry Norris in 1993 for the WBC light middleweight Title in Ring Magazine's "Upset of the Year?"
"In 1997, Keith "The Brooklyn Assassin" Mullings shocked the boxing world with a 9th round TKO over WBC Light Middleweight Title-holder Terry Norris (again).
"Glen Johnson became a legend when he knocked out Roy Jones on September 26, 2004. Nobody ever expected to see Jones knocked cold but that's what happened, and it was a performance that garnered Glen the 2005 Ring Magazine and USA Today "Fighter of the Year" honors.
"What made these fights memorable? They were all major upsets, and they were all pulled off by Jamaican fighters.
"The Upsetter"
"Speaking of upsets, Ovill "The Upsetter" McKenzie (18-9) is a Jamaican light heavyweight who fights out of the U.K, and lost 6 of his first 8 fights. He then won 8 in a row against truly awful opposition before being waxed by Dean Francis in one round. After losing 2 more, he has settled down and has won his last 4 bouts against stiff opposition. Indeed, one of those wins was a TKO over heavily favored Irishman Darren "The Raging Bull" Corbett (27-4-1 coming in). This occurred during the 'Prizefighter' Cruiserweight Tournament Semi-Final. "The Upsetter" lived up to his nickname as he went on to defeat rugged Terry Dunstan (20-2) and John "Buster" Keaton (28-17) to win the Cruiserweight Prizefighter Tournament. Keaton had waxed Dean Francis in one canto to reach the finals. McKenzie received the Prizefighter trophy from Barry Hearn as the crowd accorded "The Upsetter" a standing ovation for his 3 upsets in one thrilling night of boxing at London's Earls Court. He also received a hefty check for his achievements.
"That win over Corbett, the former IBO Inter-Continental Light-Heavyweight Title holder before he retired in 2004, may not have qualified Ovill to take his place among those Jamaican fighters who perpetrated great ring upsets. But the thing is, Ovill did it three times in one night on May 19, 2009."
i always looked at Baer v Braddock as a massive upset