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I could not find it was curious on opps of a primes SMW early LHW version of Roy Jones Vs Floyd Mayweather Jr...Who wins and why....
I go with Roy due to his crazy speed and knockout power he posessed...Not to mention he was a showman in the ring and I think he would actually frustrate Floyd....The first time Floyd fell for one of Roys hands behind the back shots or Cock Fighter impressions it would embaress him enough to fall out of his game....
Other Opps....
If we did this before scrap it
I think there were about 100 thread at the time! ;D
I'd go with exactly the same result as the fight they had, in exactly the same manor.
Jones rocks Floyd but can't finish. Floyd pulls away the longer the fight goes on
I think Mayweather could take this.
Mayweather coped with speed really well in the Judah and Mosley fights by simply switching to a hands up defence.
ah well like I said junk the thread lolQuote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
roy wins easy...mosley and judah neither had one punch kayo power...jones did in his prime both to the head and body...floyd would not survive after roy landed on him...
Now I'm a big Jones fan, so I don't want to take away anything from such a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
But a counter arguement could be made that Jones did not have the chin of Mosley or the skill set of Judah.
I believe if we go pound for pound Mayweather could handle him.
In saying that lets just see Mayweather Pacquiao for real.
Well said on the Pacquiao Mayweather issue...The other I dont see it.....Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyNow I'm a big Jones fan, so I don't want to take away anything from such a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
But a counter arguement could be made that Jones did not have the chin of Mosley or the skill set of Judah.
I believe if we go pound for pound Mayweather could handle him.
In saying that lets just see Mayweather Pacquiao for real.
Roy was tooo damn fast...He hit too damn hard...he embaressed too many not decent fighters but HOF fighters.....His chin then was not shakey or if it was that as well just adds to the fact he was so good noone even had the chance to test it...
Hopkins, Tate, Toney, Paz, McCallum, Hill all ATG all HOF bound all dangerous when Roy beat them handily......Finished those who he did when he wanted...As far as the skillset of Judah?...Zab has mental breakdowns deciding to buy one or two ply bathroom tissue so the skills are only good when used....I have top go with Roy by KO.....IMO he waits for Floyd to try and counter times him drops him Floyd gets up Roy too quick to allow him to hold and catches him again for the stoppage as Floyd tries to grab on.....If he tries the high defense Roy breaks the body down....
Ask Virgil Hill how hard Roy bangs the body
As usual in a thread about Floyd Mayweather Jr, if I post ANYTHING I run the risk of being called a racist but I will just post facts....
Floyd HAS been rocked in his prime and rocked hard
Roy Jones Jr in his prime hardly ever lost a single round and its not likely that Floyd would have sparked Roy, he may have touched him up a bit but he wouldn't spark him cold.
RJJ by TKO...because when RJJ wanted to finish someone he did it!
Zab Judah never had the mental game, and at times FMJ struggled to anticipate the speed, and Shane Mosley whilst still dangerous. Was old and had been inactive for over a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyNow I'm a big Jones fan, so I don't want to take away anything from such a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
But a counter arguement could be made that Jones did not have the chin of Mosley or the skill set of Judah.
I believe if we go pound for pound Mayweather could handle him.
In saying that lets just see Mayweather Pacquiao for real.
Put it this way James Toney used shoulder roll like FMJ, and was also a master counter puncher. Yet he was embarrassed over 12 rounds, FMJ couldn't stand in the pocket vs RJJ, nor could he be the aggressor because RJJ hit too damn hard.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Hey Guys, I hope you don't mind I reply with one post to both of these.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Roy was amazing- gifted in every department, He was incredible.
But when matching up these hypothetical fights and trying to solve the p4p puzzle I always ask myself who's attributes would I rather have myself.
I'll give them relatively equal or similar levels of athleticism, intelligence and ring generalship.
So would I prefer;
Roy's speed and power
or
Mayweather's defensive skills and precision.
So maybe this is the boxing idealist in me, but I would prefer the more polished skill set and precise boxing.
The idea of pugilism is skills over physicality so out of sheer stubborness I refuse to pick Roy;D
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Originally Posted by hitmandonnyNow I'm a big Jones fan, so I don't want to take away anything from such a great fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
But a counter arguement could be made that Jones did not have the chin of Mosley or the skill set of Judah.
I believe if we go pound for pound Mayweather could handle him.
In saying that lets just see Mayweather Pacquiao for real.
TOP QUOTE: Well who was it that rocked Jones in his prime that wasn't a naturally bigger man than him? He was only hurt twice and that was 15 years into the sport. Yeah Lou dropped him but he got right up and was more pissed at himself than anything for getting hit with the shot, but he clearly wasn't hurt...and text book skillset no jones didnt have it..but being an extremely smart or having a stable boxing brain is something Judah never possessed so what good is it to have those skills but cant use them to optimum performance? RJJ vs FLoyd, RJJ chin would never come into question...Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny
Hey Guys, I hope you don't mind I reply with one post to both of these.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Roy was amazing- gifted in every department, He was incredible.
But when matching up these hypothetical fights and trying to solve the p4p puzzle I always ask myself who's attributes would I rather have myself.
I'll give them relatively equal or similar levels of athleticism, intelligence and ring generalship.
So would I prefer;
Roy's speed and power
or
Mayweather's defensive skills and precision.
So maybe this is the boxing idealist in me, but I would prefer the more polished skill set and precise boxing.
The idea of pugilism is skills over physicality so out of sheer stubborness I refuse to pick Roy;D
BOTTOM QUOTE: As someone already mentioned RJJ rarely lost a round, which means he rarely lost focus. Even against the guys people dont give him credit for. RJJ won his fights in terms of rounds by the largest margin possibly in history. I don't think people really realize how incredible that is. For 49 fights over 15 years the closest anyone had been was a 116-112 UD against BHOP. Roy's skills were polished to a point wear they seemed natural and exclusive to him. Floyd's style can be taught to anyone, just look at little cashflow diaz', or even floyd senior for that matter. It's about how those skills are applied as floyd says "we hit the bag the same, we all jump rope the same" etc etc but in ring can you use them the way he does, which point to brain power and I think RJJ would out think him, not to mention RJJ really had a lot of power, and even more speed and reflex...I like floyd equally as RJJ, but ROY would win...
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
I believe that Jones was never hurt by a man of equal size. However, I don't believe that is testament to his chin as much as it is to his own speed and movement. When hit on the chin, I saw fighters such as Toney and Hopkins command respect from Jones, forcing him to fight a more cautious fight.
It is true Judah never was the strongest mentally, but until forced those skills would not break. Floyd broke him mentally after three.
Now I only raised the point about Jones chin because I feel it was a weakness he had, I am not implying Mayweather would stop or damage Jones in a hypothetical p4p fight.
Now on the technical aspect. I give credit to Roy Jones- he must be one of the greatest athletes our sport has ever known. Speed, power, agility yes he had it all. But skillful- maybe not so much. I think we saw this when the physical attributes faded. After the dexterity of foot left him he struggled with the basic hands up defence- getting stopped against Green and Johnson because of it imo. Yes he was extraordinary, but that was because of his athleticism, not his skill.
Not directed a you mate, but generally I find it funny how we fail to acknowledge a great in our own era. Maybe a fighter really does have to be gone to be appreciated fully. I'm not fond of Mayweather's personality or demeanour but he is a spectacular technician.
I agree 100%, but even after floyd is gone...I would still rate him behind RJJ in a p4p match. Even with floyd being the tactician that he is, he had very competitive fights with guys he was supposed to blow out....Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
I believe that Jones was never hurt by a man of equal size. However, I don't believe that is testament to his chin as much as it is to his own speed and movement. When hit on the chin, I saw fighters such as Toney and Hopkins command respect from Jones, forcing him to fight a more cautious fight.
It is true Judah never was the strongest mentally, but until forced those skills would not break. Floyd broke him mentally after three.
Now I only raised the point about Jones chin because I feel it was a weakness he had, I am not implying Mayweather would stop or damage Jones in a hypothetical p4p fight.
Now on the technical aspect. I give credit to Roy Jones- he must be one of the greatest athletes our sport has ever known. Speed, power, agility yes he had it all. But skillful- maybe not so much. I think we saw this when the physical attributes faded. After the dexterity of foot left him he struggled with the basic hands up defence- getting stopped against Green and Johnson because of it imo. Yes he was extraordinary, but that was because of his athleticism, not his skill.
Not directed a you mate, but generally I find it funny how we fail to acknowledge a great in our own era. Maybe a fighter really does have to be gone to be appreciated fully. I'm not fond of Mayweather's personality or demeanour but he is a spectacular technician.
We may never know what happens with Floyd when his skills fade. A guy who could drop 3-4 punches on him whilst hurt or 1 big shot that sparks him could be the person that finally beats him...RJJ had exactly those skills and he threw every punch in the book and every single one could hurt you or stop you...hooks, crosses, uppercuts. Floyd has never seen the likes of RJJ's attack.
Roy has coped with Toney and Hopkins and with their defense and wiles they are almost similar to Floyd.
How can you say Mosley doesn't have the p4p power Roy did? He has shown one punch ko power before against Vargas, Mayorga, even Floyd. He also has a way higher ko percentage than Roy does for his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Floyd beats Roy handily, maybe its tough early, but he's almost as fast p4p, and he is so much better technically and way harder to hit. Speend and technique almost always beats just speed.
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherI agree 100%, but even after floyd is gone...I would still rate him behind RJJ in a p4p match. Even with floyd being the tactician that he is, he had very competitive fights with guys he was supposed to blow out....Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
I believe that Jones was never hurt by a man of equal size. However, I don't believe that is testament to his chin as much as it is to his own speed and movement. When hit on the chin, I saw fighters such as Toney and Hopkins command respect from Jones, forcing him to fight a more cautious fight.
It is true Judah never was the strongest mentally, but until forced those skills would not break. Floyd broke him mentally after three.
Now I only raised the point about Jones chin because I feel it was a weakness he had, I am not implying Mayweather would stop or damage Jones in a hypothetical p4p fight.
Now on the technical aspect. I give credit to Roy Jones- he must be one of the greatest athletes our sport has ever known. Speed, power, agility yes he had it all. But skillful- maybe not so much. I think we saw this when the physical attributes faded. After the dexterity of foot left him he struggled with the basic hands up defence- getting stopped against Green and Johnson because of it imo. Yes he was extraordinary, but that was because of his athleticism, not his skill.
Not directed a you mate, but generally I find it funny how we fail to acknowledge a great in our own era. Maybe a fighter really does have to be gone to be appreciated fully. I'm not fond of Mayweather's personality or demeanour but he is a spectacular technician.
Mayweather has only had one truly competitive fight in his career, or a fight that really pushed him, and that was against JLC because he tore a rotator cuff. Besides that he never had a really competitive fight. Roy also didn't have that many competitive fights, but he didn't fight as good of opposition, and against the best guys they fought, they both had their issues.
All in all Floyd is plainly a better fighter, far more schooled with nearly the same athletic ability.
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Originally Posted by TaethHow can you say Mosley doesn't have the p4p power Roy did? He has shown one punch ko power before against Vargas, Mayorga, even Floyd. He also has a way higher ko percentage than Roy does for his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Floyd beats Roy handily, maybe its tough early, but he's almost as fast p4p, and he is so much better technically and way harder to hit. Speend and technique almost always beats just speed.
Shane didnt kayo vargas or mayorga with one punch he scored a knockdown then finished them after they got up. Both who were already ruined from kayos suffered at the hands of Oscar and Tito....And you're delusional if you believe Floyd is much harder to hit than Jones was. Floyd has been caught flush by guys with fading speed, some with average speed. The only time anyone says Roy was caught with a clean enough shot to do damage was when he was kayoed or dropped by de valle. Now if it took 15 years to land a flush punch on him that easily translate to him being harder to hit, because the de valle KD was a flash and he wasn't hurt.
And again to the power, RJJ stopped men that have NEVER been stopped, and he did it with one punch or very fast combos. Shane stopped Margarito over 9 rounds. Shane's kayo percentage is higher because he kayoed all but 2 guys at LW..and floyd didnt fight that version of shane.
But I'd rather not go on about this, because youre a floyd fanboy, and everything you say will be viewed as such.So tell yourself I'm a RJJ fanboy and we'll both save a lot of time on this one...
I can definitely respect that opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherI agree 100%, but even after floyd is gone...I would still rate him behind RJJ in a p4p match. Even with floyd being the tactician that he is, he had very competitive fights with guys he was supposed to blow out....Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
I believe that Jones was never hurt by a man of equal size. However, I don't believe that is testament to his chin as much as it is to his own speed and movement. When hit on the chin, I saw fighters such as Toney and Hopkins command respect from Jones, forcing him to fight a more cautious fight.
It is true Judah never was the strongest mentally, but until forced those skills would not break. Floyd broke him mentally after three.
Now I only raised the point about Jones chin because I feel it was a weakness he had, I am not implying Mayweather would stop or damage Jones in a hypothetical p4p fight.
Now on the technical aspect. I give credit to Roy Jones- he must be one of the greatest athletes our sport has ever known. Speed, power, agility yes he had it all. But skillful- maybe not so much. I think we saw this when the physical attributes faded. After the dexterity of foot left him he struggled with the basic hands up defence- getting stopped against Green and Johnson because of it imo. Yes he was extraordinary, but that was because of his athleticism, not his skill.
Not directed a you mate, but generally I find it funny how we fail to acknowledge a great in our own era. Maybe a fighter really does have to be gone to be appreciated fully. I'm not fond of Mayweather's personality or demeanour but he is a spectacular technician.
Roy in his prime was unspeakable good. I guess its just what you prefer sublime technique or unrivalled athleticism and physicality.
On the Q of who would have had greater power p4p...
At Lightweight Mosley's power was immense. At 135 Mosley was an ATG in my books
Agreed again...I actually rate him higher than Duran,which makes me a heretic on SAddo...Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyI can definitely respect that opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherI agree 100%, but even after floyd is gone...I would still rate him behind RJJ in a p4p match. Even with floyd being the tactician that he is, he had very competitive fights with guys he was supposed to blow out....Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
I believe that Jones was never hurt by a man of equal size. However, I don't believe that is testament to his chin as much as it is to his own speed and movement. When hit on the chin, I saw fighters such as Toney and Hopkins command respect from Jones, forcing him to fight a more cautious fight.
It is true Judah never was the strongest mentally, but until forced those skills would not break. Floyd broke him mentally after three.
Now I only raised the point about Jones chin because I feel it was a weakness he had, I am not implying Mayweather would stop or damage Jones in a hypothetical p4p fight.
Now on the technical aspect. I give credit to Roy Jones- he must be one of the greatest athletes our sport has ever known. Speed, power, agility yes he had it all. But skillful- maybe not so much. I think we saw this when the physical attributes faded. After the dexterity of foot left him he struggled with the basic hands up defence- getting stopped against Green and Johnson because of it imo. Yes he was extraordinary, but that was because of his athleticism, not his skill.
Not directed a you mate, but generally I find it funny how we fail to acknowledge a great in our own era. Maybe a fighter really does have to be gone to be appreciated fully. I'm not fond of Mayweather's personality or demeanour but he is a spectacular technician.
Roy in his prime was unspeakable good. I guess its just what you prefer sublime technique or unrivalled athleticism and physicality.
On the Q of who would have had greater power p4p...
At Lightweight Mosley's power was immense. At 135 Mosley was an ATG in my books
It just shows your true knowledge of the sport. Or lack of that isQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherAgreed again...I actually rate him higher than Duran,which makes me a heretic on SAddo...Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyI can definitely respect that opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherI agree 100%, but even after floyd is gone...I would still rate him behind RJJ in a p4p match. Even with floyd being the tactician that he is, he had very competitive fights with guys he was supposed to blow out....Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
I believe that Jones was never hurt by a man of equal size. However, I don't believe that is testament to his chin as much as it is to his own speed and movement. When hit on the chin, I saw fighters such as Toney and Hopkins command respect from Jones, forcing him to fight a more cautious fight.
It is true Judah never was the strongest mentally, but until forced those skills would not break. Floyd broke him mentally after three.
Now I only raised the point about Jones chin because I feel it was a weakness he had, I am not implying Mayweather would stop or damage Jones in a hypothetical p4p fight.
Now on the technical aspect. I give credit to Roy Jones- he must be one of the greatest athletes our sport has ever known. Speed, power, agility yes he had it all. But skillful- maybe not so much. I think we saw this when the physical attributes faded. After the dexterity of foot left him he struggled with the basic hands up defence- getting stopped against Green and Johnson because of it imo. Yes he was extraordinary, but that was because of his athleticism, not his skill.
Not directed a you mate, but generally I find it funny how we fail to acknowledge a great in our own era. Maybe a fighter really does have to be gone to be appreciated fully. I'm not fond of Mayweather's personality or demeanour but he is a spectacular technician.
Roy in his prime was unspeakable good. I guess its just what you prefer sublime technique or unrivalled athleticism and physicality.
On the Q of who would have had greater power p4p...
At Lightweight Mosley's power was immense. At 135 Mosley was an ATG in my books
LoL no not a popular opinion that on here ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
No love for the Cali fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
"We should all hold the same opinion about certain fighters and those that don't must not know enough"Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIt just shows your true knowledge of the sport. Or lack of that isQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherAgreed again...I actually rate him higher than Duran,which makes me a heretic on SAddo...Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyI can definitely respect that opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherI agree 100%, but even after floyd is gone...I would still rate him behind RJJ in a p4p match. Even with floyd being the tactician that he is, he had very competitive fights with guys he was supposed to blow out....Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny1.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
I believe that Jones was never hurt by a man of equal size. However, I don't believe that is testament to his chin as much as it is to his own speed and movement. When hit on the chin, I saw fighters such as Toney and Hopkins command respect from Jones, forcing him to fight a more cautious fight.
It is true Judah never was the strongest mentally, but until forced those skills would not break. Floyd broke him mentally after three.
Now I only raised the point about Jones chin because I feel it was a weakness he had, I am not implying Mayweather would stop or damage Jones in a hypothetical p4p fight.
Now on the technical aspect. I give credit to Roy Jones- he must be one of the greatest athletes our sport has ever known. Speed, power, agility yes he had it all. But skillful- maybe not so much. I think we saw this when the physical attributes faded. After the dexterity of foot left him he struggled with the basic hands up defence- getting stopped against Green and Johnson because of it imo. Yes he was extraordinary, but that was because of his athleticism, not his skill.
Not directed a you mate, but generally I find it funny how we fail to acknowledge a great in our own era. Maybe a fighter really does have to be gone to be appreciated fully. I'm not fond of Mayweather's personality or demeanour but he is a spectacular technician.
Roy in his prime was unspeakable good. I guess its just what you prefer sublime technique or unrivalled athleticism and physicality.
On the Q of who would have had greater power p4p...
At Lightweight Mosley's power was immense. At 135 Mosley was an ATG in my books
The hook of the Saddo theme song....
RJJ was a lot faster than Mosely has ever been, had better reflexes, was more unpredictable [due to insane footspeed/work and his unbelievable ability to throw any punch from any angle] and hit a lot harder, and yet Mosely could probably have finished Floyd in round 2 if he had had the gas in the tank [let's face it, he clearly didn't - at least not on fight night]. The only way I can see this fight unfolding is with RJJ catching FMJ hard at some point, either resulting in FMJ not getting up, or being unsteady and then getting finished soon after - because RJJ put em' away whenever the hell he wanted to, and he would not only have had the ability, but the desire, to put FMJ away in his prime. Jesus, the man was an animal. Sorry, but even with all his technical skill, I don't think FMJ could stop RJJ. And even if he did manage to keep him at bay, he would lose heavily on points, a la James Toney.
Yep...Roy would hurt floyd once he landed, the rest of the night would be Jones toying with him. But in prime he would finish him...Quote:
Originally Posted by SRR
You always hear people lauding the supreme technique of Floyd but rarely do you hear them actually describe it. To me Floyd's greatest and most vital assest isn't his hand speed but his ability to cover distance, land a punch and not be countered. Now Roy shared the same ability except that he was faster and could do it spontaenously from any angle. What makes it even more amazing is the power that he could deliver whilst seemingly not being set. Floyd on the other hand is methodical and needs to be properly prepared. Floyd's defence is superior but in my honest opinion his offence is completey eclipsed by Roy. Anything he can do, the leaping left hooks and lead right hands, check left hooks, counters etc. Roy can do better. I've never been much of a fan of Floyd's actual raw hand speed as much as I am of his footwork, footspeed and ability to time his opponents rhythm and movement to the point where he can potshot and remain unscathed. I can't see him being able to do this against Roy. Floyd's fought some great attacking fighters but none who also had the counter punching skillset of Roy. I think he would be forced to engage and throw more than two punches, a department where I feel Floyd is at his weakest and least comfortable.
Shane is/was a great fighter but Duran had a better career, Duran may have been the greatest LW of all time at least in the top 3....Just my opp thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyLoL no not a popular opinion that on here ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
No love for the Cali fighter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I am a fan boy of both Roy Jones and Mayweather silly kid. The thing is I've obviously watched way more of these two then you have. Roy got hit by plenty of opponents who were far slower than this fading speed guys that Mayweather fought. The only two guys that Roy ever fought near his prime who were considered fast were Reggie Johnson and Montell Griffin. We both know that Montel hit Roy a fair share of times, and Roy did do well against Reggie, but Reggie after getting hurt early didn't really throw anything with conviction or meaning. We've also seen Harding, Telesco, Woods, Pazienza early, McCallum, Hopkins, Gonzalez all hit Roy with relative frequency. His % of connects against were higher than Floyd by a long shot, and we didn't see Roy keep guys who were at the level Hatton, De La Hoya, and Mosley were to landing 20% of their shots, and we never saw Roy ever have a guy as good as Marquez even smaller guys land only 12% of the time. Floyd is in a different league defensively, and whereas Roy was all speed and instinct defensively, Floyd also incorporated a large amount of technique defensively. Also let it be noted that Mosley is still is insanely quick as was Oscar's handspeed, Hatton's footspeed, and Marquez has always been able to land on everyone he had faced previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow can you say Mosley doesn't have the p4p power Roy did? He has shown one punch ko power before against Vargas, Mayorga, even Floyd. He also has a way higher ko percentage than Roy does for his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Floyd beats Roy handily, maybe its tough early, but he's almost as fast p4p, and he is so much better technically and way harder to hit. Speend and technique almost always beats just speed.
Shane didnt kayo vargas or mayorga with one punch he scored a knockdown then finished them after they got up. Both who were already ruined from kayos suffered at the hands of Oscar and Tito....And you're delusional if you believe Floyd is much harder to hit than Jones was. Floyd has been caught flush by guys with fading speed, some with average speed. The only time anyone says Roy was caught with a clean enough shot to do damage was when he was kayoed or dropped by de valle. Now if it took 15 years to land a flush punch on him that easily translate to him being harder to hit, because the de valle KD was a flash and he wasn't hurt.
And again to the power, RJJ stopped men that have NEVER been stopped, and he did it with one punch or very fast combos. Shane stopped Margarito over 9 rounds. Shane's kayo percentage is higher because he kayoed all but 2 guys at LW..and floyd didnt fight that version of shane.
But I'd rather not go on about this, because youre a floyd fanboy, and everything you say will be viewed as such.So tell yourself I'm a RJJ fanboy and we'll both save a lot of time on this one...
Roy did hurt some guys like Sosa(who shouldn't have been stopped), Johnson(who he could have stopped), and Virgill Hill who hadn't been really bothered before in their career, but we also saw guys like Telesco, Harding, Harmon, Harding, De Valle, Woods take his punches. I am not saying Roy didn't have one punch power, but so does MOsley, neither of them had Mike Tyson power, but they both had the ability to change a fight drastically with one well landed blow. You can Vargas and Mayorga were ruined if you want, but they could still take a punch, and Mosley still ko'ed Antonio Margarito who has a better chin than both of them anyways.
First, those shots landed against roy were meaningless body shots that he'd give them once he lays against the ropes.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethI am a fan boy of both Roy Jones and Mayweather silly kid. The thing is I've obviously watched way more of these two then you have. Roy got hit by plenty of opponents who were far slower than this fading speed guys that Mayweather fought. The only two guys that Roy ever fought near his prime who were considered fast were Reggie Johnson and Montell Griffin. We both know that Montel hit Roy a fair share of times, and Roy did do well against Reggie, but Reggie after getting hurt early didn't really throw anything with conviction or meaning. We've also seen Harding, Telesco, Woods, Pazienza early, McCallum, Hopkins, Gonzalez all hit Roy with relative frequency. His % of connects against were higher than Floyd by a long shot, and we didn't see Roy keep guys who were at the level Hatton, De La Hoya, and Mosley were to landing 20% of their shots, and we never saw Roy ever have a guy as good as Marquez even smaller guys land only 12% of the time. Floyd is in a different league defensively, and whereas Roy was all speed and instinct defensively, Floyd also incorporated a large amount of technique defensively. Also let it be noted that Mosley is still is insanely quick as was Oscar's handspeed, Hatton's footspeed, and Marquez has always been able to land on everyone he had faced previously.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow can you say Mosley doesn't have the p4p power Roy did? He has shown one punch ko power before against Vargas, Mayorga, even Floyd. He also has a way higher ko percentage than Roy does for his career.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Floyd beats Roy handily, maybe its tough early, but he's almost as fast p4p, and he is so much better technically and way harder to hit. Speend and technique almost always beats just speed.
Shane didnt kayo vargas or mayorga with one punch he scored a knockdown then finished them after they got up. Both who were already ruined from kayos suffered at the hands of Oscar and Tito....And you're delusional if you believe Floyd is much harder to hit than Jones was. Floyd has been caught flush by guys with fading speed, some with average speed. The only time anyone says Roy was caught with a clean enough shot to do damage was when he was kayoed or dropped by de valle. Now if it took 15 years to land a flush punch on him that easily translate to him being harder to hit, because the de valle KD was a flash and he wasn't hurt.
And again to the power, RJJ stopped men that have NEVER been stopped, and he did it with one punch or very fast combos. Shane stopped Margarito over 9 rounds. Shane's kayo percentage is higher because he kayoed all but 2 guys at LW..and floyd didnt fight that version of shane.
But I'd rather not go on about this, because youre a floyd fanboy, and everything you say will be viewed as such.So tell yourself I'm a RJJ fanboy and we'll both save a lot of time on this one...
Roy did hurt some guys like Sosa(who shouldn't have been stopped), Johnson(who he could have stopped), and Virgill Hill who hadn't been really bothered before in their career, but we also saw guys like Telesco, Harding, Harmon, Harding, De Valle, Woods take his punches. I am not saying Roy didn't have one punch power, but so does MOsley, neither of them had Mike Tyson power, but they both had the ability to change a fight drastically with one well landed blow. You can Vargas and Mayorga were ruined if you want, but they could still take a punch, and Mosley still ko'ed Antonio Margarito who has a better chin than both of them anyways.
Second, all of those guys you named that 'took" his shots were naturally bigger men that he had to wear down first. He stopped harmon, harding, and woods the same as Shane stopped a naturally bigger margarito, It took time because they were bigger.
Shane's kayo percentage went from 94% to 74% after he moved up because he was fighting bigger men the same as RJJ's was 97% while at MW then 88% at SMW and the percentage went down again after he moved up and started fighting even bigger men.
But RJJ percentage at the starting out weight when compared to shane's starting out weight is still higher....97-94
Roy allegedly fought at 154 up until a few fights before Hopkins, but there are a lot of sources that said that he was usually weighing in around 160 for fights with fixed scales. I don't know if these are accurate or not, but I can't believe he had a higher KO% than Mosley had at lightweight, they both only failed to stop 2 guys, and Mosley had more fights. Roy couldn't stop Castro or Hopkins, while Mosley failed to stop Holiday and that Oscar guy earlier in his career, but he had a lot more fights. After that Mosley jumped up 2 weight categories and fought a way higher level of competitiion than Roy simply because those guys were there for him to fight.
Roy Jones did fight bigger guys, but welterweight for Mosley was the equivalent of lhw for Roy because they both weighed in on fight roughly the same as the opponents in the division. Roy was just a short LHW, not a particularly small one, and those guys landed more than just body shots on him. Everybody gets hit in boxing, ROy included. Its just he always faced guys considerably slower than himself. Kind of like Whitaker who fought big name guys like Azumah Nelson and Julio Cesar Chavez and he would completely outbox them, but when he faced Roger Mayweather, a guy who matched his speed then he wasn't so difficult to hit.
I think guys like Roy and Whitaker do exceedingly well against almost anyone because they are just quick but so instinctive and creative, but when you have a guy who doesn't make the same mistakes they do with all those same instincts and a greater attention to detail then I believe they would be in trouble.