Pacquiao's best option if no PBF fight?

Jumping the gun a little bit because PBF has until tomorrow to make a decision, but who do you think is Pacquiao's best option for an opponent if PBF chooses to not fight Pacquiao at this point in time? I have no interest in seeing him fight Cotto again even at 154 because I believe Pacquiao is a bad style match-up for Cotto at any weight and I don't believe Margarito deserves the fight at least not now (if ever). Maybe Shane Mosley? Tim Bradley? Marquez? Pacquiao has said in the past that Foreman was too tall, which eliminates Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez from the equation.

A rematch with Cotto....at 154!

Margarito and yet no Paul Williams?

Margarito deserves a shot at nobody. Maybe Cotto at 154 no CW, but I would have liked to have seen Cotto have another fight with Steward first.

All other issues aside, I think Margarito would be the most interesting fight. He's big, durable, and he throws a ton of punches. I think Pacquiao would beat him handily, but it would be an interesting fight.

I have zero desire to see a Cotto rematch. After the first four rounds the first fight was no longer competitive and Emmanuel Steward won't make any difference this time around.

Manny has to take on new comers, seasoned vets, and the best athletes.

I think Margarito would be the hardest match up for Pacquiao, because Marg's punches are hard, short and crisp. Margarito is TALL at 5'11". Paul Williams is 6'1" (probably a little taller.. they tend to play height down when you're a big guy in this sport at a lower weight)
Martinez is 5'10", but he has freakishly long arms. Plus, he's already stated he staying at MW. Really, he's right there with Y.Forman in reach height.

So my question is... Why was Yuri forman too tall at 5'10" and Marg is not at 5'11". Hate to say it, but obviously, Roach sees something in Marg that Pac could handle. Maybe it was the huge ass whooping Marg took from Sugar Shane? http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...milies/eek.gif

Cotto is a changed fighter after the beating he took from Marg. He is still gun shy. He used to sit on the canvas, get back up and commence the beatings. He never had the skill to fight and not get hit. And he really doesn't like getting hit anymore. Soon as he sets foot in the ring with a big puncher again, I'm pretty sure he'll crumble again. I wish him the best, and I rewatch his fights all the time, but it's time to hang them up.

Tim Bradley is the only real choice. He's in his prime, skilled as hell, and I don't think pac is going to shut him out like he most likely will with all the other guys.

Sorry, but JMM doesn't even get a head turn for me. He's on the decine, pac is leagues above him now. This fight has lost it's meaning after the two wars they waged years ago, now.

I picked bradley......margarito doesn't deserve to get to fight anyone in any country

No point in fighting Cotto again or Mosley.

I'd love to see him fight Bradley but that aint gonna happen (he gains nothing by doing so) - so I voted Margarito. I think Margarito is a very tricky fight for Manny as he's a big strong WW. Plus it'll be for the vacant WBC strap so adds the whole 8th title into the mix.

You mean like guys who actually want to fight ?I don't think Manny 'needs' Floyd.Let him stir and talk to walls.What's he going to do,squander the moment off his 2nd most impressive win and let it pass him by.Let him.It's just so damn tired now.

Styalistically I think a Mosley fight would be nice,can imagine the exchanges but puts Manny in the foot steps of Floyd here.Like it or not...Margarito is going to fight and can still be a factor,sell it as the villian.Bradley a huge battle,hitting peak but mainstream lacks.What about a Berto...freak show with Williams.

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No point in fighting Cotto again or Mosley.

I'd love to see him fight Bradley but that aint gonna happen (he gains nothing by doing so) - so I voted Margarito. I think Margarito is a very tricky fight for Manny as he's a big strong WW. Plus it'll be for the vacant WBC strap so adds the whole 8th title into the mix.

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no it wouldn't cause it would be at 147 not 154

The more I think about it, the more I quite want to see the Paul WIlliams fight.

I think his height and natural ability would be very tricky for Manny to get past

....why no Devon Alexander???

Unfortunately 'retire and stop soiling this sport' is not on the list of options.

For me I would love to see him fight Williams at 147 if Williams can still make that weight but can't see Roach likeing that fight to much in reality.

I think HBO will probably push for Cotto at 154 for $$$$ reasons but i personally rather him fight someone else.

I'd say give Bradley a chance to prove himself in higher weightclass. Same opportunity that Pacquiao had against high profile fighters.

If Bradley looks good on Saturday then it's definitely Bradley. Thhat would be a great great consolation prize, and I think Bradley would have a real chance at beating Pacquiao. No way it happens but maybe if he outclasses Abregu then it's possible.

Sadly, there's really not much out there. Mosely would've been great, but he's already been destroyed by PBF, so Pac really doesn't have the risk to reward ratio in his favor. In other words, if he beats him he doesn't get much credit, but if he loses its now a tremendous loss. Mosely needs to reestablish himself before its worthwhile for Pac to fight him.

Ditto for Williams, which would be the bravest fight, becasue of Paul's Hearns-like advatages. But if you fight tommy hearns at welter you want credit for beating tommy hearns. In other words when SRL met him Hearns was considered unbeatable. But WIlliams is coming off 2 iffy fights. He needs another impressive vicory b/f its worth the risk for Pacman.

Cotto is pointless. There's no gain in his reputation for beating someone he already destroyed.

That leaves JMM and Bradlley. JMM is unfinished business, so that makes sense, though its risky if this is his Ken Norton. Pac doesn't want to loses ahead of a possible PBF showdown in '11.

I would suggest some tune-up and have JMM face Bradley. Whoever wins then gets Pac, and they win convincingly, it could be a big fight.

But I suspect he'll fight Margarito in Mexico. The money good and Margarito but is not the hardhittng puncher he once was, so its just a high-level tuneup. Pac will plaster Margarito and hopefuly by then one of the others will have had an impressive outing that would make for a wothwhile fight.

Personally I think Margarito would be a mistake. There is just not as much people stock behind Margarito as Arum wants to believe. And just to mention Margarito is still banned. It's a slap in the face to the sport to circumvent the rulings.

The thing about Cotto that will drum up interest is the wonder if Cotto is any better with not have to drain himself to make weight.

Forget about Mosley.

Bradley could be a match but I would rather see Pacquiao in there with Berto.

You should change the title to:

"Pacquaio's best Option if PBF is afraid to fight"

this pinoy cheat al he talks is fightin the same fighters over and over again cant wait until this rotten balut retires wheeew

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No point in fighting Cotto again or Mosley.

I'd love to see him fight Bradley but that aint gonna happen (he gains nothing by doing so) - so I voted Margarito. I think Margarito is a very tricky fight for Manny as he's a big strong WW. Plus it'll be for the vacant WBC strap so adds the whole 8th title into the mix.

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no it wouldn't cause it would be at 147 not 154

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No it would be at 154 :lickish:

Pacquiao-Margarito For Vacant WBC Title at 154-Pounds - Boxing News

I would pick Margarito if the purse split will be 90 / 10 in Pacquiao's favor.

Otherwise, it's Cotto at 154 lbs.

Either will solidify Manny's legacy with a unprecedented title in 8 different divisions ... that is if he wins.

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I would pick Margarito if the purse split will be 90 / 10 in Pacquiao's favor.

Otherwise, it's Cotto at 154 lbs.

Either will solidify Manny's legacy with a unprecedented title in 8 different divisions ... that is if he wins.

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I don't think beating Margarito (or beating Cotto again) will do all that much for Pacquiao's legacy. Obviously it will do a little, but he's already accomplished so much and beaten so many great fighters that only a fight with Mayweather or another truly elite P4P fighter (like Paul Williams or a Sergio Martinez) will enhance it further.

No matter what, Pacquiao, unless his reputation is legitimately tarnished, will go down as one of the greatest fighters of all time.

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I would pick Margarito if the purse split will be 90 / 10 in Pacquiao's favor.

Otherwise, it's Cotto at 154 lbs.

Either will solidify Manny's legacy with a unprecedented title in 8 different divisions ... that is if he wins.

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I don't think beating Margarito (or beating Cotto again) will do all that much for Pacquiao's legacy. Obviously it will do a little, but he's already accomplished so much and beaten so many great fighters that only a fight with Mayweather or another truly elite P4P fighter (like Paul Williams or a Sergio Martinez) will enhance it further.

No matter what, Pacquiao, unless his reputation is legitimately tarnished, will go down as one of the greatest fighters of all time.

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I agree with you but the title of the this thread eliminates Mayweather.

Sergio Martinez at weight in is at least 159 lbs in his last 2 fights so that eliminates him (or Pac will be accused of weight draining him). Imagine what he would have weighted on fight night.

Paul Williams is more of a Middleweight and should stay in that division. I don't think it's fair for Manny to go up one division to face someone who will try to drain himself down one division. He bloated to 163 lbs in his fight against Cintron.

Manny Pacquiao is very good but let us acknowledge the limitations. He isn't Superman. I remember reading an item from a sports writer saying that Pacquio 'bit more than he can chew' when he went up another weight division and this was way back when he fought David Diaz.

Let us not delude ourselves to think that he can beat those 2 bigger fighters. Or maybe he really can.

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I would pick Margarito if the purse split will be 90 / 10 in Pacquiao's favor.

Otherwise, it's Cotto at 154 lbs.

Either will solidify Manny's legacy with a unprecedented title in 8 different divisions ... that is if he wins.

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I don't think beating Margarito (or beating Cotto again) will do all that much for Pacquiao's legacy. Obviously it will do a little, but he's already accomplished so much and beaten so many great fighters that only a fight with Mayweather or another truly elite P4P fighter (like Paul Williams or a Sergio Martinez) will enhance it further.

No matter what, Pacquiao, unless his reputation is legitimately tarnished, will go down as one of the greatest fighters of all time.

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I agree with you but the title of the this thread eliminates Mayweather.

Sergio Martinez at weight in is at least 159 lbs in his last 2 fights so that eliminates him (or Pac will be accused of weight draining him). Imagine what he would have weighted on fight night.

Paul Williams is more of a Middleweight and should stay in that division. I don't think it's fair for Manny to go up one division to face someone who will try to drain himself down one division. He bloated to 163 lbs in his fight against Cintron.

Manny Pacquiao is very good but let us acknowledge the limitations. He isn't Superman. I remember reading an item from a sports writer saying that Pacquio 'bit off more than he can chew' when he went up another weight division and this was way back when he fought David Diaz.

But for people to even think of pairing Manny with the likes of Paul or Sergio says a lot about the level that Pac has achieved. Because it is either they think Manny has a fighting chance with those two or they want to throw him in the lion's den. Which one is it?

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I would pick Margarito if the purse split will be 90 / 10 in Pacquiao's favor.

Otherwise, it's Cotto at 154 lbs.

Either will solidify Manny's legacy with a unprecedented title in 8 different divisions ... that is if he wins.

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I don't think beating Margarito (or beating Cotto again) will do all that much for Pacquiao's legacy. Obviously it will do a little, but he's already accomplished so much and beaten so many great fighters that only a fight with Mayweather or another truly elite P4P fighter (like Paul Williams or a Sergio Martinez) will enhance it further.

No matter what, Pacquiao, unless his reputation is legitimately tarnished, will go down as one of the greatest fighters of all time.

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I agree with you but the title of the this thread eliminates Mayweather.

Sergio Martinez at weight in is at least 159 lbs in his last 2 fights so that eliminates him (or Pac will be accused of weight draining him). Imagine what he would have weighted on fight night.

Paul Williams is more of a Middleweight and should stay in that division. I don't think it's fair for Manny to go up one division to face someone who will try to drain himself down one division. He bloated to 163 lbs in his fight against Cintron.

Manny Pacquiao is very good but let us acknowledge the limitations. He isn't Superman. I remember reading an item from a sports writer saying that Pacquio 'bit off more than he can chew' when he went up another weight division and this was way back when he fought David Diaz.

But for people to even think of pairing Manny with the likes of Paul or Sergio says a lot about the level that Pac has achieved. Because it is either they think Manny has a fighting chance with those two or they want to throw him in the lion's den. Which one is it?

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Both Williams and Martinez' could make 154. Martinez did it for years and only move up to face Pavlik, while Williams has been telling people that he can still make 147.

I'm not interested in seeing Pacquiao "thrown to the lions", but if he wants to really be able to call himself an 8 weight champion with any legitimacy, he would fight a Williams or a Martinez and not a mediocre, possibly shot (I don't care what some people say, Margarito looked like ass in his last fight), convicted cheater who has been a welterweight for the last half-decade.

While beating Margarito will be an impressive feat based on size alone, he's a less legitimate "champion" than David Diaz and beating him will do little for Pacquaio's already sterling legacy.

pussy pac cherry piucking again fightin a bigger version of a slower than shit david diaz .phucking only a retard will buy thie fight. to al MEXICANS DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY ON THIS GARBAGE OF A FIGHT.AT 150 WHat a phuckin joke

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I would pick Margarito if the purse split will be 90 / 10 in Pacquiao's favor.

Otherwise, it's Cotto at 154 lbs.

Either will solidify Manny's legacy with a unprecedented title in 8 different divisions ... that is if he wins.

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I don't think beating Margarito (or beating Cotto again) will do all that much for Pacquiao's legacy. Obviously it will do a little, but he's already accomplished so much and beaten so many great fighters that only a fight with Mayweather or another truly elite P4P fighter (like Paul Williams or a Sergio Martinez) will enhance it further.

No matter what, Pacquiao, unless his reputation is legitimately tarnished, will go down as one of the greatest fighters of all time.

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I agree with you but the title of the this thread eliminates Mayweather.

Sergio Martinez at weight in is at least 159 lbs in his last 2 fights so that eliminates him (or Pac will be accused of weight draining him). Imagine what he would have weighted on fight night.

Paul Williams is more of a Middleweight and should stay in that division. I don't think it's fair for Manny to go up one division to face someone who will try to drain himself down one division. He bloated to 163 lbs in his fight against Cintron.

Manny Pacquiao is very good but let us acknowledge the limitations. He isn't Superman. I remember reading an item from a sports writer saying that Pacquio 'bit off more than he can chew' when he went up another weight division and this was way back when he fought David Diaz.

But for people to even think of pairing Manny with the likes of Paul or Sergio says a lot about the level that Pac has achieved. Because it is either they think Manny has a fighting chance with those two or they want to throw him in the lion's den. Which one is it?

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Both Williams and Martinez' could make 154. Martinez did it for years and only move up to face Pavlik, while Williams has been telling people that he can still make 147.

I'm not interested in seeing Pacquiao "thrown to the lions", but if he wants to really be able to call himself an 8 weight champion with any legitimacy, he would fight a Williams or a Martinez and not a mediocre, possibly shot (I don't care what some people say, Margarito looked like ass in his last fight), convicted cheater who has been a welterweight for the last half-decade.

While beating Margarito will be an impressive feat based on size alone, he's a less legitimate "champion" than David Diaz and beating him will do little for Pacquaio's already sterling legacy.

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Actually, very true. Margarito isn't even a top ten welterweight at this point.

Unquestionably I pick Mosley... If Mayweather won't fight Pac, then Pac should just fight every single one of PBF's opponents, and beat them more convincingly....

Cotto at 154lb for the 8th title.

In Order

1. Andre Berto - WBC Welterweight title

2. Sergio Martinez - Less attractive now because he relinqueshed the WBC 154 Belt

3. Timothy Bradley - He's Black and he's american. :)

4. Paul Williams - Does he currently have a belt @154? very low reward if he doesnt have a belt and isnt considered the lineal champion.


5. Juan Manuel Marquez - Show gratitute to the Mexican warriors as we realize securing a fight is not as easy compared to these mexican greats Erik, Mab and JMM


6. Paulie Malinaggi - :)

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Unquestionably I pick Mosley... If Mayweather won't fight Pac, then Pac should just fight every single one of PBF's opponents, and beat them more convincingly....

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But then, they will say that Pac beat those that had already been damaged by Mayweather.

I think Floyd is trying to be the unquestionable P4P king by not lifting a finger and this happens if Manny loses.