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Margarito-Pacquiao seems dangerous to me
I know that Shane looked amazing against Margarito, but I believe he has more power and is two and a half inches taller than Manny. Not only that, but Mosley was tieing up, and muscling Tony on the inside where Marg does his best work. I think this is a worrisome fight for Manny because he hasn't faced a guy in quite some time who will be able to take his punch and walk through it, and want to throw back at the same time. In a Mayweather-Margarito fight Floyd would have used similar tactics to Mosley with better defensive skills to cleanly outbox the big awkward Mexican, but Pacquiao is still there to be hit, and frustratingly he still just covers up on the inside and lets opponents hit him. He has been resilient so far, but guys like Cotto and Clottey throw an economical amount of punches which seemed fortuitous to me because they were clearly landing cleaner shots than were being landed on them against Manny, but Manny's angles', speed, and power forced them into a defensive shell. I can't see that being the case with Margarito, and give all the size advantages he has I think he could be a real problem for the small Pacquiao.
That being said I still favor Manny 7 times out of ten, and likely he will dominate the big slow oaf, but if Margarito keeps him on the ropes or Manny doesn't tie him up I think Pacman could be fucked.
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I know that Shane looked amazing against Margarito, but I believe he has more power and is two and a half inches taller than Manny. Not only that, but Mosley was tieing up, and muscling Tony on the inside where Marg does his best work. I think this is a worrisome fight for Manny because he hasn't faced a guy in quite some time who will be able to take his punch and walk through it, and want to throw back at the same time. In a Mayweather-Margarito fight Floyd would have used similar tactics to Mosley with better defensive skills to cleanly outbox the big awkward Mexican, but Pacquiao is still there to be hit, and frustratingly he still just covers up on the inside and lets opponents hit him. He has been resilient so far, but guys like Cotto and Clottey throw an economical amount of punches which seemed fortuitous to me because they were clearly landing cleaner shots than were being landed on them against Manny, but Manny's angles', speed, and power forced them into a defensive shell. I can't see that being the case with Margarito, and give all the size advantages he has I think he could be a real problem for the small Pacquiao.
That being said I still favor Manny 7 times out of ten, and likely he will dominate the big slow oaf, but if Margarito keeps him on the ropes or Manny doesn't tie him up I think Pacman could be fucked.
ummm Clottey, difference is Clottey is a pussy and gave the fight away
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Tony fighting Manny without concrete blocks? Lol. Pacquiao would run right through him, gun blazing with both hands. Toe to toe action with weird in-and-out-circleling motion, combos after combos, unleashing 96 punches per round. He'd blitz the pillow fisted Margocheato so fast and will make him quit before round 6.
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Yes Margarito still as dangerous in Welter/Jr Middle category (with or without the plasters) honestly if Floyd-Pac will not pushed through, i would like to see Margarito to face with Pacquiao rather than Cotto-Pac at 154, If he (Marga) can have his license back in U.S and if he can still fight at 147 comfortably.
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anyone who thinks margarito is going to be some kind of cupcake for pacroido is sadly mistaken. margarito is a very dangerous fighter, especially for pacquiao. and especially now that margarito uses his jab more effectively and has improved his defense. right now this is a pick em fight and i give margarito a hell of a shot in beating pacquiao.
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Tony fighting Manny without concrete blocks? Lol. Pacquiao would run right through him, gun blazing with both hands. Toe to toe action with weird in-and-out-circleling motion, combos after combos, unleashing 96 punches per round. He'd blitz the pillow fisted Margocheato so fast and will make him quit before round 6.
The problem is Pacquiao won't get the same leverage against a guy who is 5'11, I think he would really have to work the body, and to do so he will have to get inside. Another thing is Manny might be throw 70-90 punches a round, but Marg usually throws 90-110 punches a round. WHen Manny fought Clottey he threw in the 1200's in terms of punches, Margarito threw over 1700.
I honestly don't think Margarito has the speed to beat Manny who shouldn't buckle like Cotto did under the pressure, but this could be very dangerous if Margarito actually learns to cut off the ring and not just charge straight forward.
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I know that Shane looked amazing against Margarito, but I believe he has more power and is two and a half inches taller than Manny. Not only that, but Mosley was tieing up, and muscling Tony on the inside where Marg does his best work. I think this is a worrisome fight for Manny because he hasn't faced a guy in quite some time who will be able to take his punch and walk through it, and want to throw back at the same time. In a Mayweather-Margarito fight Floyd would have used similar tactics to Mosley with better defensive skills to cleanly outbox the big awkward Mexican, but Pacquiao is still there to be hit, and frustratingly he still just covers up on the inside and lets opponents hit him. He has been resilient so far, but guys like Cotto and Clottey throw an economical amount of punches which seemed fortuitous to me because they were clearly landing cleaner shots than were being landed on them against Manny, but Manny's angles', speed, and power forced them into a defensive shell. I can't see that being the case with Margarito, and give all the size advantages he has I think he could be a real problem for the small Pacquiao.
That being said I still favor Manny 7 times out of ten, and likely he will dominate the big slow oaf, but if Margarito keeps him on the ropes or Manny doesn't tie him up I think Pacman could be fucked.
While I don't agree with your reasoning for why he'd be tough for manny, We are 100% in agreement on anyone thinking MArgo would be a stepping stone for Manny before he faces floyd is sadly mistaken.
I believe Margo with those long arms, height advantage, and constant pressure will be a nightmare for manny the same as Paul Williams would be. Honestly I don't see Pac beating him unless Arum pays Margo off, to keep the PBF-PAC fight as the big money fight without blemish.
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anyone who thinks margarito is going to be some kind of cupcake for pacroido is sadly mistaken. margarito is a very dangerous fighter, especially for pacquiao. and especially now that margarito uses his jab more effectively and has improved his defense. right now this is a pick em fight and i give margarito a hell of a shot in beating pacquiao.
again, don't know what fight you were watching, and hahahahahaha pickem fight my ass, Pacquiao stops the cheat within 8 rounds
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I know that Shane looked amazing against Margarito, but I believe he has more power and is two and a half inches taller than Manny. Not only that, but Mosley was tieing up, and muscling Tony on the inside where Marg does his best work. I think this is a worrisome fight for Manny because he hasn't faced a guy in quite some time who will be able to take his punch and walk through it, and want to throw back at the same time. In a Mayweather-Margarito fight Floyd would have used similar tactics to Mosley with better defensive skills to cleanly outbox the big awkward Mexican, but Pacquiao is still there to be hit, and frustratingly he still just covers up on the inside and lets opponents hit him. He has been resilient so far, but guys like Cotto and Clottey throw an economical amount of punches which seemed fortuitous to me because they were clearly landing cleaner shots than were being landed on them against Manny, but Manny's angles', speed, and power forced them into a defensive shell. I can't see that being the case with Margarito, and give all the size advantages he has I think he could be a real problem for the small Pacquiao.
That being said I still favor Manny 7 times out of ten, and likely he will dominate the big slow oaf, but if Margarito keeps him on the ropes or Manny doesn't tie him up I think Pacman could be fucked.
While I don't agree with your reasoning for why he'd be tough for manny, We are 100% in agreement on anyone thinking MArgo would be a stepping stone for Manny before he faces floyd is sadly mistaken.
I believe Margo with those long arms, height advantage, and constant pressure will be a nightmare for manny the same as Paul Williams would be. Honestly I don't see Pac beating him unless Arum pays Margo off, to keep the PBF-PAC fight as the big money fight without blemish.
But Margarito's height is only effective defensively in that most opponents need to avoid his punches and punch somebody taller than themselves. Margarito doesn't really have an effective game on the outside, all of his power, accuracy, and his chin come to play on the inside because he can take perfectly landed shots and still throw his punches as if his opponent were covering up. He throws from as many angles on the inside as Manny does on the outside and thats where Margarito breaks down opponents. On the outside he doens't ahve that much power and there is no way even with his height that he will be able to compete with Manny at distance. The thing Mosley did was that he tied Margarito up on the inside and continued to counter him easily from the outside, thats how you effectively subdue this monster. That's why Cotto was fucked when he faced Tony, because he dominated in the middle of the ring, but he basically backed up into the ropes and allowed Tony to get inside and throw combinations.
Another problem for PAcquiao potentially is he doesn't really have a punch that can constantly dictate the range of a fight. It's difficult for a southpaw to control an opponent's advances unless they have an excellent jab like WHitaker or they throw an effective counter left. Pacquiao sort of does, but not like Judah or Rigondeaux do. He doesn't really have that planted left cross that he could throw everytime someone attempts to come in on him. That's also why I don't think Pacquiao would beat Floyd because he has no way to dictate the range of that fight besides throwing a million punches, but there are always holes when you are simply throwing volumes of punches.
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I know that Shane looked amazing against Margarito, but I believe he has more power and is two and a half inches taller than Manny. Not only that, but Mosley was tieing up, and muscling Tony on the inside where Marg does his best work. I think this is a worrisome fight for Manny because he hasn't faced a guy in quite some time who will be able to take his punch and walk through it, and want to throw back at the same time. In a Mayweather-Margarito fight Floyd would have used similar tactics to Mosley with better defensive skills to cleanly outbox the big awkward Mexican, but Pacquiao is still there to be hit, and frustratingly he still just covers up on the inside and lets opponents hit him. He has been resilient so far, but guys like Cotto and Clottey throw an economical amount of punches which seemed fortuitous to me because they were clearly landing cleaner shots than were being landed on them against Manny, but Manny's angles', speed, and power forced them into a defensive shell. I can't see that being the case with Margarito, and give all the size advantages he has I think he could be a real problem for the small Pacquiao.
That being said I still favor Manny 7 times out of ten, and likely he will dominate the big slow oaf, but if Margarito keeps him on the ropes or Manny doesn't tie him up I think Pacman could be fucked.
While I don't agree with your reasoning for why he'd be tough for manny, We are 100% in agreement on anyone thinking MArgo would be a stepping stone for Manny before he faces floyd is sadly mistaken.
I believe Margo with those long arms, height advantage, and constant pressure will be a nightmare for manny the same as Paul Williams would be. Honestly I don't see Pac beating him unless Arum pays Margo off, to keep the PBF-PAC fight as the big money fight without blemish.
But Margarito's height is only effective defensively in that most opponents need to avoid his punches and punch somebody taller than themselves. Margarito doesn't really have an effective game on the outside, all of his power, accuracy, and his chin come to play on the inside because he can take perfectly landed shots and still throw his punches as if his opponent were covering up. He throws from as many angles on the inside as Manny does on the outside and thats where Margarito breaks down opponents.
On the outside he doens't ahve that much power and there is no way even with his height that he will be able to compete with Manny at distance. The thing Mosley did was that he tied Margarito up on the inside and continued to counter him easily from the outside, thats how you effectively subdue this monster. That's why Cotto was fucked when he faced Tony, because he dominated in the middle of the ring, but he basically backed up into the ropes and allowed Tony to get inside and throw combinations.
Another problem for PAcquiao potentially is he doesn't really have a punch that can constantly dictate the range of a fight. It's difficult for a southpaw to control an opponent's advances unless they have an excellent jab like WHitaker or they throw an effective counter left. Pacquiao sort of does, but not like Judah or Rigondeaux do. He doesn't really have that planted left cross that he could throw everytime someone attempts to come in on him.
That's also why I don't think Pacquiao would beat Floyd because he has no way to dictate the range of that fight besides throwing a million punches, but there are always holes when you are simply throwing volumes of punches.
The first statement I agree and disagree, because he doesnt have the speed to cover the distance, but he will steadily walk manny down and cut off the ring. That plus manny will have to punch while dodging to get away from him. And manny's defense is less than stellar. I'd pick MArgo in this fight, but wouldn't really care if he lost....
And the second statement...you just couldn't resist adding the pbf comment...
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha
Man you know margo will get his license back, and be in a mega fight against pacman...for cotto's sake he better hope he doesn't move up to 154..
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha
Man you know margo will get his license back, and be in a mega fight against pacman...for cotto's sake he better hope he doesn't move up to 154..
i'll say it right now, if by chance there is a Cotto rematch with Margarito, Cotto stops him by round 10 or whitewash his ass to a shutout, especially now with Steward in his corner
Angulo, Williams (again), Martinez, Cotto, Mosley (again) even Foreman, Kirkland, and Spinks beat Margarito at 154, he's looked like crap when he's ventured up to Jr. Middle against Santos, and well everyone mentioned above is better than Santos, and by the looks of it he's already lost the first round in trying to get a license, only state willing is Texas so far, and well i doubt that any (aside from maybe Angulo) are gonna make the trip down there
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha
He stopped a crippled fighter who couldn't punch. And your bragging about that?
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha
He stopped a crippled fighter who couldn't punch. And your bragging about that?
he was completely outboxing him and rocked him already numerous times before Foreman's knee went out so don't even act like it made a difference
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First off, why Margarito should get a title shot soon after coming back from suspension for endangering the lives of other boxers is beyond me. Aside from that, if Pacquiao came in with the same speed and movement he showed against Cotto, he'd kick the plaster right out of Margacheato's ass. Mosley already touched that button... I'm sure Pacquiao would do the same.
Regarding Cotto, he was totally dominating Foreman when Foreman's knee gave out. The outcome was going to be the same, albeit maybe later. Cotto with Steward in his corner is a different entity than with Joe (WTF?) Santiago in his corner. Hopefully, he still has a couple more great fights left in him. Bottom line: History will be much kinder to the warrior champion Cotto than to the despicable cheater Margarito and his criminal cornerman, who should be a cellmate for someone nicknamed "Donkey Dong".
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha
He stopped a crippled fighter who couldn't punch. And your bragging about that?
he was completely outboxing him and rocked him already numerous times before Foreman's knee went out so don't even act like it made a difference
It was still Yuri Foreman he was facing. The same Foreman who really lost to Andrey Tsurkan and Anthony Thompson. He was never a threat.
I'll agree and say Cotto looked good under Emmanuel. But he looked good beating a B fighter. A B fighter who couldn't hurt him.
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha
He stopped a crippled fighter who couldn't punch. And your bragging about that?
he was completely outboxing him and rocked him already numerous times before Foreman's knee went out so don't even act like it made a difference
It was still Yuri Foreman he was facing. The same Foreman who really lost to Andrey Tsurkan and Anthony Thompson. He was never a threat.
I'll agree and say Cotto looked good under Emmanuel. But he looked good beating a B fighter. A B fighter who couldn't hurt him.
Santos wasn't rated as a B fighter and although he basically gave a half ass effort, Foreman put on the fight of his life, and IMO has the tools to beat most of the other guys at 154 aside from Williams, Martinez, Cotto, and maybe Angulo
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha
He stopped a crippled fighter who couldn't punch. And your bragging about that?
he was completely outboxing him and rocked him already numerous times before Foreman's knee went out so don't even act like it made a difference
It was still Yuri Foreman he was facing. The same Foreman who really lost to Andrey Tsurkan and Anthony Thompson. He was never a threat.
I'll agree and say Cotto looked good under Emmanuel. But he looked good beating a B fighter. A B fighter who couldn't hurt him.
Santos wasn't rated as a B fighter and although he basically gave a half ass effort, Foreman put on the fight of his life, and IMO has the tools to beat most of the other guys at 154 aside from Williams, Martinez, Cotto, and maybe Angulo
Not only did Santos go half ass but he was coming off a long ass lay off. And it showed. He's also on the decline. And it still took Foreman's best performance to beat him.
And those ain't the only names. Erislandy Lara and Sergiy Dzinziruk would also beat him. James Kirkland and even a Deandre Latimore would just wreck him
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha
He stopped a crippled fighter who couldn't punch. And your bragging about that?
he was completely outboxing him and rocked him already numerous times before Foreman's knee went out so don't even act like it made a difference
It was still Yuri Foreman he was facing. The same Foreman who really lost to Andrey Tsurkan and Anthony Thompson. He was never a threat.
I'll agree and say Cotto looked good under Emmanuel. But he looked good beating a B fighter. A B fighter who couldn't hurt him.
Santos wasn't rated as a B fighter and although he basically gave a half ass effort, Foreman put on the fight of his life, and IMO has the tools to beat most of the other guys at 154 aside from Williams, Martinez, Cotto, and maybe Angulo
Not only did Santos go half ass but he was coming off a long ass lay off. And it showed. He's also on the decline. And it still took Foreman's best performance to beat him.
And those ain't the only names. Erislandy Lara and Sergiy Dzinziruk would also beat him. James Kirkland and even a Deandre Latimore would just wreck him
completely forgot about Dzinziruk, Lara hasn't really done anything to prove he's a sure thing, and Latimore well no, he looked good against an old Spinks and well taken to the limit by Powell in his last loss, Kirkland after a few warm up fights would probably beat him but Kirkland is completely vulnerable to straight right hands (the reason i always felt Forrest would have murdered him) and well Foreman has a decent right although not much power, i'd say it's a 60/40 fight in Kirkland's favor cause you have to factor in that Wolfe isn't gonna be training him anymore
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Tony fighting Manny without concrete blocks? Lol. Pacquiao would run right through him, gun blazing with both hands. Toe to toe action with weird in-and-out-circleling motion, combos after combos, unleashing 96 punches per round. He'd blitz the pillow fisted Margocheato so fast and will make him quit before round 6.
The problem is Pacquiao won't get the same leverage against a guy who is 5'11, I think he would really have to work the body, and to do so he will have to get inside. Another thing is Manny might be throw 70-90 punches a round, but Marg usually throws 90-110 punches a round. WHen Manny fought Clottey he threw in the 1200's in terms of punches, Margarito threw over 1700.
I honestly don't think Margarito has the speed to beat Manny who shouldn't buckle like Cotto did under the pressure, but this could be very dangerous if Margarito actually learns to cut off the ring and not just charge straight forward.
Margarito is a very active fighter, and he cuts the ring off better than anyone would want to give him credit for. Problem with the Mosley fight is he was out-gunned all the way throughout the match. He doesn't know how to find room to breathe or tie up. I give him a ton of credit for his fighting style and he is a blood and guts warrior. He also stays in tremendous shape. I give Mosley full credit for beating him like he did. I don't think Pac will beat him in the same fashion. Simply for one reason.
Margarito is 5'11" pac is barely 5'7"
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Margarito is dangerous for anyone. That prick loaded his gloves so who knows what else he'd do. Like don king would say only in america can you load your gloves get caught, get the shit kicked out of you, fight some chump in garcia and to reward all your hard work get a title shot abroad cause you can't even legally fight in the U.S........and people cry about what floyd's doing or not doing. Amazing. If they do fight, i hope pac beats the dog shit out of him. Hell if marg fights layla ali i hope she'd beat the crap out of him......and that's what sucks most about the whole thing. He doesn't deserve even the opportunity to get beat up. Can't complain about boxing and all the politics and wrong doing when you have people supporting crap like this guy, If he can load his gloves and get a title shot then why shouldn't promoters, oraganazations, just about everyone in the sport be shady as well.
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Margarito doesn't deserve this fight after being blasted out by Shane Mosley and then beating a bum. Sorry, he just doesn't. And the fight with Cotto isn't intriguing either just because it is at 154. Cotto is a weak champ at 154. Bottom line. Pacquiao needs to fight someone outside of the Top Rank stable for once.
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Margarito is dangerous for anyone. That prick loaded his gloves so who knows what else he'd do. Like don king would say only in america can you load your gloves get caught, get the shit kicked out of you, fight some chump in garcia and to reward all your hard work get a title shot abroad cause you can't even legally fight in the U.S........and people cry about what floyd's doing or not doing. Amazing. If they do fight, i hope pac beats the dog shit out of him. Hell if marg fights layla ali i hope she'd beat the crap out of him......and that's what sucks most about the whole thing. He doesn't deserve even the opportunity to get beat up. Can't complain about boxing and all the politics and wrong doing when you have people supporting crap like this guy, If he can load his gloves and get a title shot then why shouldn't promoters, oraganazations, just about everyone in the sport be shady as well.
Lot of hate for a guy who didnt actually cheat, because he was caught before hand. Odd that no one on here ever says these thing about Shane who was given PEDs added to his already natural punching power. Its also odd that Margarito served the time given to him by California and everyone is still bitching about it. What I dont get is Margarito got his ass whooped in the fight he "tried" to cheat in. But it seems that people are more upset about the ass whooping he handed to Cotto and cant accept that he didnt beat cotto because of loaded gloves but rather having a better style and cotto fighting the wrong fight. Instead they just bootstrap the attempt to cheat in Mosley fight to that's the only way he could have beaten cotto. When long before that fight was even discussed, Margarito on this forum was seen as a world beater that Floyd was ducking...Now if he was given a shot to beat floyd, then surely he didnt need bricks to whoop Cotto's ass.
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha
He stopped a crippled fighter who couldn't punch. And your bragging about that?
he was completely outboxing him and rocked him already numerous times before Foreman's knee went out so don't even act like it made a difference
It was still Yuri Foreman he was facing. The same Foreman who really lost to Andrey Tsurkan and Anthony Thompson. He was never a threat.
I'll agree and say Cotto looked good under Emmanuel. But he looked good beating a B fighter. A B fighter who couldn't hurt him.
Santos wasn't rated as a B fighter and although he basically gave a half ass effort, Foreman put on the fight of his life, and IMO has the tools to beat most of the other guys at 154 aside from Williams, Martinez, Cotto, and maybe Angulo
Not only did Santos go half ass but he was coming off a long ass lay off. And it showed. He's also on the decline. And it still took Foreman's best performance to beat him.
And those ain't the only names. Erislandy Lara and Sergiy Dzinziruk would also beat him. James Kirkland and even a Deandre Latimore would just wreck him
completely forgot about Dzinziruk, Lara hasn't really done anything to prove he's a sure thing, and Latimore well no, he looked good against an old Spinks and well taken to the limit by Powell in his last loss, Kirkland after a few warm up fights would probably beat him but Kirkland is completely vulnerable to straight right hands (the reason i always felt Forrest would have murdered him) and well Foreman has a decent right although not much power, i'd say it's a 60/40 fight in Kirkland's favor cause you have to factor in that Wolfe isn't gonna be training him anymore
60-40? Your kidding me, right? Try 96-4 in Kirkland's favor. He wrecks Foreman. And wrecks him badly. He gets 4% only cuz I can see Kirkland maybe being DQ for hitting Foreman while down or something. Lara still has a lot to prove. But from what I seen so far I got no problem taking him over Foreman. Latimore is mediocre. But so is Foreman. In that fight i would call it 60-40. In Latimore's favor. Not understanding the lust for Foreman. Why do people talk like he's a great fighter or something? He's not. Not even close. What do you see in him? Are you a Boriqua Jew or something?
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Margarito won't get plastered Mosley style but he will get outboxed every round. Manny doesn't have a traditional "keep them at range" punch but I see Tony getting countered with that lead left whilst slipping and stepping to the outside every time he throws his lazy jab or tries to pressure Manny to the ropes. I think it's going to look alot like the Oscar fight, (yeh we already know Oscar was dehydrated and Floyd beat him at a more comfortable weight and under all his terms) too much movement, angles and speed for Tony to even get set up. Wasp vs Zombie.
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha
He stopped a crippled fighter who couldn't punch. And your bragging about that?
he was completely outboxing him and rocked him already numerous times before Foreman's knee went out so don't even act like it made a difference
It was still Yuri Foreman he was facing. The same Foreman who really lost to Andrey Tsurkan and Anthony Thompson. He was never a threat.
I'll agree and say Cotto looked good under Emmanuel. But he looked good beating a B fighter. A B fighter who couldn't hurt him.
Santos wasn't rated as a B fighter and although he basically gave a half ass effort, Foreman put on the fight of his life, and IMO has the tools to beat most of the other guys at 154 aside from Williams, Martinez, Cotto, and maybe Angulo
Not only did Santos go half ass but he was coming off a long ass lay off. And it showed. He's also on the decline. And it still took Foreman's best performance to beat him.
And those ain't the only names. Erislandy Lara and Sergiy Dzinziruk would also beat him. James Kirkland and even a Deandre Latimore would just wreck him
completely forgot about Dzinziruk, Lara hasn't really done anything to prove he's a sure thing, and Latimore well no, he looked good against an old Spinks and well taken to the limit by Powell in his last loss, Kirkland after a few warm up fights would probably beat him but Kirkland is completely vulnerable to straight right hands (the reason i always felt Forrest would have murdered him) and well Foreman has a decent right although not much power, i'd say it's a 60/40 fight in Kirkland's favor cause you have to factor in that Wolfe isn't gonna be training him anymore
60-40? Your kidding me, right? Try 96-4 in Kirkland's favor. He wrecks Foreman. And wrecks him badly. He gets 4% only cuz I can see Kirkland maybe being DQ for hitting Foreman while down or something. Lara still has a lot to prove. But from what I seen so far I got no problem taking him over Foreman. Latimore is mediocre. But so is Foreman. In that fight i would call it 60-40. In Latimore's favor. Not understanding the lust for Foreman. Why do people talk like he's a great fighter or something? He's not. Not even close. What do you see in him? Are you a Boriqua Jew or something?
don't know what you see in Kirkland aside from power, IMO the dude is extremely overrated, anyone with good reach a good solid jab and a strong right hand will school Kirkland, add in Foreman's movement and i'd say he has a decent shot at giving Kirkland problems, and i'd have Foreman over Latimore cause well as you said he's utter crap
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Tony fighting Manny without concrete blocks? Lol. Pacquiao would run right through him, gun blazing with both hands. Toe to toe action with weird in-and-out-circleling motion, combos after combos, unleashing 96 punches per round. He'd blitz the pillow fisted Margocheato so fast and will make him quit before round 6.
Again, you are in no position to get on a high horse about cheating in the sport!
You absolute hipocrit.
If you are so into fair play why aren't you calling for blood tests?
If tony ain't allowed the loaded gloves pac shouldn't be allowed the roids.
But let's face it this fight would be a circus. I've said it before. They should make this no holds barred, no ref, weapons allowed match.
IMO the two shadyest bastards in the ring together at the same time. I can only hope for some kind of natural disaster and the ring gets swallowed into the ground and.
Joke fight. But whatever sells.
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There isn't any proof that Pacman cheated at all, I think they just didn't want to fight Mayweather at that time, and he was pissed off by what Mayweather's camp was saying.
I think Cotto looked pretty poor against Foreman, a guy he would have absolutely crippled on his own a few years back. He didn't sink shots to the body like he used to, he didn't show the same ability to counter speed with his timing, he looked far more timid than in his prime, and just as easy to hit.
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha
He stopped a crippled fighter who couldn't punch. And your bragging about that?
he was completely outboxing him and rocked him already numerous times before Foreman's knee went out so don't even act like it made a difference
It was still Yuri Foreman he was facing. The same Foreman who really lost to Andrey Tsurkan and Anthony Thompson. He was never a threat.
I'll agree and say Cotto looked good under Emmanuel. But he looked good beating a B fighter. A B fighter who couldn't hurt him.
Santos wasn't rated as a B fighter and although he basically gave a half ass effort, Foreman put on the fight of his life, and IMO has the tools to beat most of the other guys at 154 aside from Williams, Martinez, Cotto, and maybe Angulo
Not only did Santos go half ass but he was coming off a long ass lay off. And it showed. He's also on the decline. And it still took Foreman's best performance to beat him.
And those ain't the only names. Erislandy Lara and Sergiy Dzinziruk would also beat him. James Kirkland and even a Deandre Latimore would just wreck him
completely forgot about Dzinziruk, Lara hasn't really done anything to prove he's a sure thing, and Latimore well no, he looked good against an old Spinks and well taken to the limit by Powell in his last loss, Kirkland after a few warm up fights would probably beat him but Kirkland is completely vulnerable to straight right hands (the reason i always felt Forrest would have murdered him) and well Foreman has a decent right although not much power, i'd say it's a 60/40 fight in Kirkland's favor cause you have to factor in that Wolfe isn't gonna be training him anymore
60-40? Your kidding me, right? Try 96-4 in Kirkland's favor. He wrecks Foreman. And wrecks him badly. He gets 4% only cuz I can see Kirkland maybe being DQ for hitting Foreman while down or something. Lara still has a lot to prove. But from what I seen so far I got no problem taking him over Foreman. Latimore is mediocre. But so is Foreman. In that fight i would call it 60-40. In Latimore's favor. Not understanding the lust for Foreman. Why do people talk like he's a great fighter or something? He's not. Not even close. What do you see in him? Are you a Boriqua Jew or something?
don't know what you see in Kirkland aside from power, IMO the dude is extremely overrated, anyone with good reach a good solid jab and a strong right hand will school Kirkland, add in Foreman's movement and i'd say he has a decent shot at giving Kirkland problems, and i'd have Foreman over Latimore cause well as you said he's utter crap
What the hell do you see in Foreman aside from.....being a Jew I guess. He has no power. His movement is good. Not great. He doesn't take advantage of his height as much as he should. Really why the lust? Kirkland would wreck him badly
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Paquiao vs Margarito: Set for Abu Dhabi
Damn!!!! Any truth to this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wish I don't see Margarito fighting again, but if he does I think he will be eating that straight left of Pacman all time. Actually.... it will be fun seeing Margarito being KO a second time.
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el terrible,
lol...what's the matter, can't get margarito's destruction of cottito out of your head? poor thing!
like i said on the other post hahaha live it up cause it's the only win you can clutch on to, ohhh and who still has a license to fight in the US and holds a world title right now? ohhhh right that'd be Miguel Cotto lol not like Margarito who has to now make a living fighting tomato cans in little chinchorros in Tijuana hahahaha
He stopped a crippled fighter who couldn't punch. And your bragging about that?
he was completely outboxing him and rocked him already numerous times before Foreman's knee went out so don't even act like it made a difference
It was still Yuri Foreman he was facing. The same Foreman who really lost to Andrey Tsurkan and Anthony Thompson. He was never a threat.
I'll agree and say Cotto looked good under Emmanuel. But he looked good beating a B fighter. A B fighter who couldn't hurt him.
Santos wasn't rated as a B fighter and although he basically gave a half ass effort, Foreman put on the fight of his life, and IMO has the tools to beat most of the other guys at 154 aside from Williams, Martinez, Cotto, and maybe Angulo
Not only did Santos go half ass but he was coming off a long ass lay off. And it showed. He's also on the decline. And it still took Foreman's best performance to beat him.
And those ain't the only names. Erislandy Lara and Sergiy Dzinziruk would also beat him. James Kirkland and even a Deandre Latimore would just wreck him
completely forgot about Dzinziruk, Lara hasn't really done anything to prove he's a sure thing, and Latimore well no, he looked good against an old Spinks and well taken to the limit by Powell in his last loss, Kirkland after a few warm up fights would probably beat him but Kirkland is completely vulnerable to straight right hands (the reason i always felt Forrest would have murdered him) and well Foreman has a decent right although not much power, i'd say it's a 60/40 fight in Kirkland's favor cause you have to factor in that Wolfe isn't gonna be training him anymore
60-40? Your kidding me, right? Try 96-4 in Kirkland's favor. He wrecks Foreman. And wrecks him badly. He gets 4% only cuz I can see Kirkland maybe being DQ for hitting Foreman while down or something. Lara still has a lot to prove. But from what I seen so far I got no problem taking him over Foreman. Latimore is mediocre. But so is Foreman. In that fight i would call it 60-40. In Latimore's favor. Not understanding the lust for Foreman. Why do people talk like he's a great fighter or something? He's not. Not even close. What do you see in him? Are you a Boriqua Jew or something?
don't know what you see in Kirkland aside from power, IMO the dude is extremely overrated, anyone with good reach a good solid jab and a strong right hand will school Kirkland, add in Foreman's movement and i'd say he has a decent shot at giving Kirkland problems, and i'd have Foreman over Latimore cause well as you said he's utter crap
What the hell do you see in Foreman aside from.....being a Jew I guess. He has no power. His movement is good. Not great. He doesn't take advantage of his height as much as he should. Really why the lust? Kirkland would wreck him badly
it's not like i'm big on the guy either, he's just not as shitty as you make him out to be, IMO Kirkland is the type of guy who if he he's outclassed for like 4 rounds he'll basically quit on himself and get schooled
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anyone who thinks margarito is going to be some kind of cupcake for pacroido is sadly mistaken. margarito is a very dangerous fighter, especially for pacquiao. and especially now that margarito uses his jab more effectively and has improved his defense. right now this is a pick em fight and i give margarito a hell of a shot in beating pacquiao.
haha it is because you are nuthugging a CHEATER,,,no doubt that anti-Filipino boxer threads and replies come from you..Pussy...;D
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Is pacquiao going to fight anyone who's not been damaged by a previous opponant?
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There isn't any proof that Pacman cheated at all, I think they just didn't want to fight Mayweather at that time, and he was pissed off by what Mayweather's camp was saying.
So if I get accused of killing somone, as long as I don't turn up to court I'm innocent?
If I have the oppotunity to clear my name and earn a few million off it at the same time but refuse it all rather than go to court I'm innocent anyway am I?
The ONLY reason why there is no evidence of pac is cuz he refused testing.
Everyone on this site thought margarito was a fair sports man till he got found out. Now since that everyone on hear is screaming that toni cheated his whole carear.
People need to stop being so thickle.
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There isn't any proof that Pacman cheated at all, I think they just didn't want to fight Mayweather at that time, and he was pissed off by what Mayweather's camp was saying.
So if I get accused of killing somone, as long as I don't turn up to court I'm innocent?
If I have the oppotunity to clear my name and earn a few million off it at the same time but refuse it all rather than go to court I'm innocent anyway am I?
The ONLY reason why there is no evidence of pac is cuz he refused testing.
Everyone on this site thought margarito was a fair sports man till he got found out. Now since that everyone on hear is screaming that toni cheated his whole carear.
People need to stop being so thickle.
Guy in order to charge to someone with a crime there has to be evidence to issue the arrest warrant. What PBF camp did was the equivalent of picking a random person off the street and saying "Hey you could have killed that guy, now prove you didn't"..That's fucking stupid. PBF's camp accusations of steroid usage by PAC are unfounded allegations without any shred of evidence other than Floyd senior feeling uncomfortable about pac moving up in weight and bringing his power along with him. Therefore pac shouldn't have to agree to shit.
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There isn't any proof that Pacman cheated at all, I think they just didn't want to fight Mayweather at that time, and he was pissed off by what Mayweather's camp was saying.
So if I get accused of killing somone, as long as I don't turn up to court I'm innocent?
If I have the oppotunity to clear my name and earn a few million off it at the same time but refuse it all rather than go to court I'm innocent anyway am I?
The ONLY reason why there is no evidence of pac is cuz he refused testing.
Everyone on this site thought margarito was a fair sports man till he got found out. Now since that everyone on hear is screaming that toni cheated his whole carear.
People need to stop being so thickle.
Guy in order to charge to someone with a crime there has to be evidence to issue the arrest warrant. What PBF camp did was the equivalent of picking a random person off the street and saying "Hey you could have killed that guy, now prove you didn't"..That's fucking stupid. PBF's camp accusations of steroid usage by PAC are unfounded allegations without any shred of evidence other than Floyd senior feeling uncomfortable about pac moving up in weight and bringing his power along with him. Therefore pac shouldn't have to agree to shit.
PBF camp picked a random person? Eh? how many random people have gone up 7 weight divisions without putting on an once of fat, only lean muscle and have got stronger and stronger doing it? That's an everyday event where you're from is it?
And JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHAT IS IT YOU AND EVERY ONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM CAN'T SEEM TO GRASP ABOUT THE FOLLOWING CONCEPT!?
HERE IT IS AGAIN...
THE ONLY REASON WHY 'THERE ISN'T A SHRED OF PROOF' IS CUZ HE REFUSED TO TAKE THE TEST. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON. IT IS DOWN TO THE ATHLETE TO PROVE HE IS CLEAN.
Until pac proves he's clean i'm going to regard him as a cheating bastard that should be struck from the sport. he is no better than margarito.
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There isn't any proof that Pacman cheated at all, I think they just didn't want to fight Mayweather at that time, and he was pissed off by what Mayweather's camp was saying.
So if I get accused of killing somone, as long as I don't turn up to court I'm innocent?
If I have the oppotunity to clear my name and earn a few million off it at the same time but refuse it all rather than go to court I'm innocent anyway am I?
The ONLY reason why there is no evidence of pac is cuz he refused testing.
Everyone on this site thought margarito was a fair sports man till he got found out. Now since that everyone on hear is screaming that toni cheated his whole carear.
People need to stop being so thickle.
Guy in order to charge to someone with a crime there has to be evidence to issue the arrest warrant. What PBF camp did was the equivalent of picking a random person off the street and saying "Hey you could have killed that guy, now prove you didn't"..That's fucking stupid. PBF's camp accusations of steroid usage by PAC are unfounded allegations without any shred of evidence other than Floyd senior feeling uncomfortable about pac moving up in weight and bringing his power along with him. Therefore pac shouldn't have to agree to shit.
PBF camp picked a random person? Eh? how many random people have gone up 7 weight divisions without putting on an once of fat, only lean muscle and have got stronger and stronger doing it? That's an everyday event where you're from is it?
And JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHAT IS IT YOU AND EVERY ONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM CAN'T SEEM TO GRASP ABOUT THE FOLLOWING CONCEPT!?
HERE IT IS AGAIN...
THE ONLY REASON WHY 'THERE ISN'T A SHRED OF PROOF' IS CUZ HE REFUSED TO TAKE THE TEST. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON. IT IS DOWN TO THE ATHLETE TO PROVE HE IS CLEAN.
Until pac proves he's clean i'm going to regard him as a cheating bastard that should be struck from the sport. he is no better than margarito.
PAC started at 106 when he was 17 years old, and his heaviest weigh in is 145 against clottey. That's 14 years and 39 pounds. Forget weight classes focus on the weight.
If that's not enough let's go by age. Pac when he was 19 fought at 113. 113(19yrs) to 145(31yrs) is 32 pounds in 12 years. When Floyd he fought at 119(19yrs old) and 150 (30yrs old) that's 31 pounds in a shorter time. Both without a shred of fat.
It could be argued that floyd only knew he'd be clean against mosley because he came up with the idea to avoid suspicion himself and the mosley fight was a test to see how he'd do without his roids before facing PACMAN, but his camp has been very quiet since the mosley fight, possibly because without his roids he was almost kayoed by a 39 year old that hadn't fought in 15 months.
Secondly, you mean Pac has been the only fighter allowed to enter the ring without being tested for all those fights? Wow, didn't know that...
