Good interview,but I think Toney has taken way to many shots.
Would love him to beat Randy to shut Dana whits mouth.:mad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4Spg2vn-XM
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Good interview,but I think Toney has taken way to many shots.
Would love him to beat Randy to shut Dana whits mouth.:mad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4Spg2vn-XM
Great video. He sounds no more punchy than usual I thought it was a fun interview. Got to give credit to the interviewer, he handled James Toney far better than Jim Gray and Brian Kenney ever could :cool:
I'd love JT to do it, but I can still barely believe this fight is taking place, it's just such a bizarre matchup.
I have a feeling the fight will absolutely blow, Randy will get James on the ground and just lay on him until he quits.
I remember the Ali vs werestler fight from decades ago when the wrestler just sat on the floor and moved around on his ass like a crab. I worry it could be a similar debacle to that.
Hope I'm wrong though.
I just don't get why Toney didn't respond to the Oquendo fight by trying to get straight back in there and fighting a top 10 guy. Maybe he knew himself that he didn't have it anymore. But a NC against Rahman and then Oquendo. And then a year out and a fight against Greer and nothing more?
I just much prefer Toney the boxer. I am not into this UFC stuff at all. It just seems so vulgar. Not that boxing is the height of sophistication mind.
Toney always sounds like that these days. Has done so for a good decade now. He wouldn't make a very good English teacher. I do find him hilarious though.
He thinks he's guna beat Randy then have a title shot in boxing? What has he been smoking, usually Toney doesn't get to me but this time i truely hope he gets beaten up for three rounds :) Lucky im a Randy fan!
The thing is that Toney is now really quite old. I loved watching him fight, but you have to suspect he is away from boxing for a reason. You can't tell me EVERYONE is ducking the mighty Toney who has been beating up everybody in recent years.
Here is Joe Rogan's take on the fight.
What he says is so true, and also fucking hilarious ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2iqJPiggyc&feature=related
Hard to believe there was a time on this very forum where people shared their opinions IN PUBLIC, for all to see and read about how James 'Lights Out' Toney could beat and maube even KO Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I hope Toney wins this MMA fight, I know Dana White is out to prove that UFC is all super fantastic and different than boxing but let's face facts shall we, guys like Kimbo Slice chose MMA for a reason, boxing is nuanced and very specific and the slightest mistake can leave you out cold from a counter...in MMA there is chaos (mostly, the best fighters use strategy and stick to the science behind other martial arts) but mistakes even the big one aren't always punished and extremely flawed fighters can get lucky. I just hate the MMA stereotype and mentality, but I have grown to respect certain fighters.......all those guys punch like little girls though
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
You cant catch Brock Lesnar with a punch eh?
Well Shane Carwin did with ease and had Lesnar running away and cowering like someone whos never been punched!! Like a sissy biitch!!
Its because theer are so few genuine good boxers in the UFC that most mma fans think boxers would do nothing.
Chuck Liddell dominated for a few years with basic boxing. If Chuck Liddells wide slow punches can catch and drop Couture, Toneys certainly will!
Only very few MMA fighters do any proper boxing training, Arlovski was one and he looked very good as a striker but his chin is just shite!
Dont claim to know a lot about the UFC but Brock Lessler looked far from unbeatable in his last fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
As much as I love James Toney, he is going to be a senile, mumbling wreck in about 10 years. The differences in his speech from when he was a middleweight to now are unbeleivable. Doesnt even sound like the same person talking.
I've never been a James Toney fan. But then again, I'm not a UFC fan either, and I think Dana White's a jerk for trying to discredit boxing and pump up UFC. So it's a no-win situation personally for me. My wish would be for a simultaneous, devastating KO of both fighters, or.... for the A/C to break down and have only 3 fans left at the arena.
On second thought, it's not an important enough event for me to even worry about it. It probably won't even make ESPN.
This sounds good. Obviously theyre gonna talk James up but James is just such a crafty clever boxer that I cant wait to see the shock on coutures face when he cant get close to Toney because of those hands;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Swdk24M88
Alot of people think its a foregone conclusion but why isnt James capable of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmb446rzu-0
Tell me about it
I wouldn't put it past Toney at all. At the end of the day he is a real puncher (maybe not in boxing but definitely compared to those sissy shots in mma) and Couture has been caught with plenty of punches before off people who don't have one 5th of the striking skill of a top class boxer.
If Toney used his foot movement more I'd actually have a lot of money on him to win this fight, but the lack of foot movement will leave him open to a takedown. But at the same time the second Randy thinks about getting Macho and trying to throw a punch at Toney he WILL be countered and he will be hurt.
Someone like Roy Jones in his prime would be an ideal force for boxing to throw in IMO he hit damned hard had lightning reflexes and as he showed against Reggie Johnson when he floored him, can be stood a good distance from you one second then the next your on the floor and he's 10 feet away again, all because of a lazy jab that MMA fighters also use instead of feinting. Apparently those are feints according to the commentators lol.
The reason Liddel was able to land that punch was because Randy was unable to take Chuck down or force him to the cage. The one thing Chuck Liddel had in spades was a world class takedown defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Unfortunately James Toney cannot.
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Originally Posted by hitmandonnyThe reason Liddel was able to land that punch was because Randy was unable to take Chuck down or force him to the cage. The one thing Chuck Liddel had in spades was a world class takedown defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Unfortunately James Toney cannot.
The fight starts standing up. From the time the fight starts to whenever Couture decides to grapple with Toney, he will have to walk in like hes trying in that clip.
Its ok saying that Toney is just going to get taken down but who knows how to use distance better than Toney? A little side step here, a feint there. Then theres Toneys very sharp punches!
Cutoure doesnt really kick, he relies on his boxing and wrestling and hes getting on and probably slowing down. In fact, if Toney does pull the win off which I think he just might, then this is a genious move!
If it was the other way round and Couture was moving to boxing to fight Toney, do you think as many people would give Randy as much of a chance as Toney is getting here?
If Toney has any success here I think it proves that Boxers do have the better fundamentals for fighting and are more adaptable because they have learned the hardest parts already.
At some point in the fight, Rrandy is going to have to walk to James, like hes doing in the clip where he gets dropped by Liddell and James can easily match that. Its going to be embarrasing for MMA fans who are treating this as boxing v MMA because its all in Randys favour here. Id like to see a boxing match between the Two after Toney KO's Randy;D
James toney hasn't talked well since he was six. Win or loose this fight will gain no one anything and will probably be forgotten by the next weekend. So then what will be next, toney going after a kickboxing title, that's similar to boxing too. Won't care about that either. I will give toney props for being tough and not really being scared of anyone. Plus he's pretty fu&^%in funny. If he does happen to win then i feel sorry for those that are sick of hearing his mumbling, cause it will increase 100%.
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Originally Posted by Mar
Uhh... that would be me. Oh, but wait... I always either mute the TV or change the channel if he happens to stumble onto any sports show that I'm watching (which is not often). So... no worries.
;D
Toney will get owned.
Yup. He's going to get embarrassed in a major way. Couture might be shot, but he's nowhere near as shot as Toney and he's competing in his sport. I'd be amazed if Toney survived half a round.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
If Toney was fighting someone rubbish I'd give him a punchers chance, but Randy, although past it, was and still us one hell of an MMA fighter.
I just can't see Randy being stupid enough to stand there and box and I also see Toney being stupid enough to not try and box. It wouldn't suprise me if he comes out and tries a takedown.
[QUOTE=ross;893314]Yeah but to use boxing you have to remain on your feet. Chuck Liddell had INCREDIBLE takedown defense in his prime, and in the rare event he was taken down he had a great ability to scramble and pop up to his feet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
It remains to be seen whether Toney has these qualities...
That's the interesting thing about the whole bs boxing vs mma angle. If mma has taught us anything it is that it is more about the individual that the competing disciplines. This 41 year old James Toney vs 47 yearold Randy Couture...plain and simpleQuote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonnyThe reason Liddel was able to land that punch was because Randy was unable to take Chuck down or force him to the cage. The one thing Chuck Liddel had in spades was a world class takedown defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Unfortunately James Toney cannot.
The fight starts standing up. From the time the fight starts to whenever Couture decides to grapple with Toney, he will have to walk in like hes trying in that clip.
Its ok saying that Toney is just going to get taken down but who knows how to use distance better than Toney? A little side step here, a feint there. Then theres Toneys very sharp punches!
Cutoure doesnt really kick, he relies on his boxing and wrestling and hes getting on and probably slowing down. In fact, if Toney does pull the win off which I think he just might, then this is a genious move!
If it was the other way round and Couture was moving to boxing to fight Toney, do you think as many people would give Randy as much of a chance as Toney is getting here?
If Toney has any success here I think it proves that Boxers do have the better fundamentals for fighting and are more adaptable because they have learned the hardest parts already.
At some point in the fight, Rrandy is going to have to walk to James, like hes doing in the clip where he gets dropped by Liddell and James can easily match that. Its going to be embarrasing for MMA fans who are treating this as boxing v MMA because its all in Randys favour here. Id like to see a boxing match between the Two after Toney KO's Randy;D
I think Im leaning towards Toney in this fight. Ive seen Randy knocked out afew times by punches and he is yet to meet a striker like Toney who uses his hands better than anyone who has already knocked out Randy. Ive never seen James sparked.
Randy is an old man and can only have got worse since those defeats so unless he manages to get Toney down and keep him there I see it being lights out for Randy.
He's clear and concise in this video. In the 1st video in this thread, you need subtitles to understand what Toney was saying. Yeah he's punch drunk, there's no question about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thread Stealer