http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Lkr...eature=related
Probably his second biggest win. Makes me a lil nervous for PAC.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Lkr...eature=related
Probably his second biggest win. Makes me a lil nervous for PAC.
That was a long, long time ago.
the Martinez of today would beat stop Margarito in about 6 rounds, if he could beat up guys like Pavlik and Williams he'd eat up manos de lleso easilyQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
that's why i'm perplexed why most everyone thinks pacquiao will beat margarito easily! margarito is no joke. sure he got destroyed by mosley but shane is more powerful than pacquiao. besides, how many true pressure fighters has pacquiao fought in his career, aside from ricky hatton? conventional wisdom would think pacquiao with his superior handspeed and footwork beats margarito easily but sometimes fights don't come out like their supposed to! margarito is a danger to pacquiao not only because of his height and reach, but because he just keeps coming and coming at you. whether or not he had loaded gloves against cotto is debatable but cotto through everything at margarito but the kitchen sink and margarito kept coming. that's gotta be deflating and disheartening to a fighter. one thing about margarito, he's going to fall behind because he's very patient and doesn't panic. but at around the 5th or 6th round, he's going to come after pacquiao with alot of pressure and we'll be able to see how pacquiao handles that pressure. i think pacquiao should be a solid favorite to beat margarito by decision but i also think margarito is a very live underdog who, if pacquiao makes any mistakes, tony will make him pay dearly for them!
I can't argue with that. Realistically you have a great point.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
a martinez/margarito rematch would be much closer than most people think. first, both martinez and margarito are at their physical prime. sure martinez has improved alot but you can also say that about tony as well. martinez is the better boxer but margarito is going to be there in his face from the get go. i don't think martinez can seriously hurt margarito so that's going to weigh heavily against him because margarito is going to go straight in and pressure martinez like in their first fight. if there ever was a rematch, my allegiance would slightly go to martinez. i absolutely love this guy (no, not like that way) but i love his warrior heart. i also happen to like margarito as well because although he has many shortcomings, he usually comes out on top because of his relentless pressure and perserverance.
if Pavlik (a huge middleweight who was in his face) wasn't able to do much to Martinez, i doubt very much that Margarito (who never looked good above 147, and without his loaded gloves) would even trouble him, Martinez arguably won against Williams, the same Williams that beat the shit out of Margarito for all but one roundQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
I think that's a fair post, but IMO the only reason Pacquiao - Margarito might be competitive is because of the massive size difference between the two. Pacquiao is a far superior fighter in nearly every aspect of the game and Margarito might be well on his way to shot at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
i for one don't think kelly pavlik is much of a pressure fighter, at least not on the level of margarito. not saying margarito would beat him cause he can't, but margarito for one, throws probably more than double the punches pavlik does. i think most of you are dangerously underestimating margarito in his fight with pacquiao. the fact that he's always fought against fleeter, faster opponents tells you something about his desire and toughness. if pacquiao gives him, margarito, too much respect, he'll be in trouble. the way to beat margarito is by outboxing him and not letting him get set, because once he gets going, he's very hard to stop, just ask miguel cotto!
just in, Margarito found new sponsors for the Pacquiao fight
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:lol::lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
yes, the beating Cotto got from Margacheato was on loaded gloves..Cotto's lumps on that fight looked like he was punched by something as hard as CONCRETE...;DQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
jolz,
can you absolutely prove he had loaded gloves when he destroyed cotto?
he was not caught at that fight, but seeing the damage to cotto it can't be done with a normal glove. IMO the beating that cotto took from margo was worse than the one that Pacquiao gave him. oh, I foresee it. You will say Pacquiao is on roids. and I will bring your question back to you: can you absolutely prove that pacquiao is using ROIDS?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Can you prove he didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
When asked about the loaded gloves for Shane, Margarito responded that he didn't know his gloves were loaded and he said that responsibility goes to his trainer (which strangely he failed to fire for a long time after he was caught). Well, if he didn't know his trainer loaded his gloves for that fight, what makes you think he didn't know his trainer loaded his gloves for any other fight? The problem for Margarito is that now every single fight he has ever fought with that trainer is tarnished.
And the one time he was caught with loaded gloves and so was forced to fight fair...he was bodied by an underdog 38 year old that had LOST to Cotto within the previous last year. Coincidence? Personally, I think not. At the least it makes you wonder, doesn't it?
I agree......but there are also still those that think OJ was innocent too.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratCan you prove he didn't?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
When asked about the loaded gloves for Shane, Margarito responded that he didn't know his gloves were loaded and he said that responsibility goes to his trainer (which strangely he failed to fire for a long time after he was caught). Well, if he didn't know his trainer loaded his gloves for that fight, what makes you think he didn't know his trainer loaded his gloves for any other fight? The problem for Margarito is that now every single fight he has ever fought with that trainer is tarnished.
And the one time he was caught with loaded gloves and so was forced to fight fair...he was bodied by an underdog 38 year old that had LOST to Cotto within the previous last year. Coincidence? Personally, I think not. At the least it makes you wonder, doesn't it?
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Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Not gonna fool myself twice into thinking it will be a fight. Margarito is an Arum fighter, like Clottey was an Arum fighter, he isn't gonna beat Pacquiao and it probably won't be much of a contest. Long as Arum can keep fooling fans with the "support the guy mayweather is ducking" while he puts up fights to the point people will accept ANTONIO MARGARITO as an opponent. Why people aren't on Pacquiao or Arums back for not fighting Bradley or Williams who have both openly called out Pacquiao is unbelievable. Bradley and Williams have said they will fight Pacquiao but Arum said no free rides and those guys won't fill arenas. Why is everyone instead of bashing Arum hanging onto his every word like its the gospel truth because he promotes a fighter they like.
Sometimes I think only Mayweather gets flack for doing things that these promoters are blatantly doing. At least Mosley being a Golden Boy fighter is highly ranked and on p4p lists while Margarito is in boxing hell right now.
Why not fight Bradley or fight Williams is my question and why are people just going to accept Margarito as an opponent?
The only reason this crap keeps happening is because fans accept it for their fighters benefit and its crap like this and promotions like this that is killing boxing. Dibella said it best when he said 'we screwed up our own sport' and fans aren't helping it by supporting crap like what Arum is doing. You are gonna have a guy who just one fight ago was busted for having plaster in his gloves that people say should never fight again about to fight on one of the biggest PPV cards against arguably either the p4p 1 or 2 fighter in the world. How can 'fans' of the sport support that?