What type of boxing fan ARE you?

I once posted a thread similar to this, where I attempted to define the different types of boxing fans. Thought it was an interesting and relevant subject, so here I go again:

“Objective Fan” – Probably the most credible type of fan, with little or no nationality preferences or biases. Likes or dislikes fighters based mostly on facts, such as: fighting style, skills, record, personality, heart, excitement factor, etc, etc. Can find and discuss flaws in his own liked fighters, as well as good qualities in his “not-so-liked” fighters.

“Nationalistic Fan” – Likes or dislikes fighters strictly based on nationality. If you’re Mexican, you like only Mexican fighters and discredit everybody else. Same if you’re Puerto Rican, Filipino, English, etc, etc. Will make the occasional exception, but it’s extremely rare. Will try to pass off nationalistic bias for boxing knowledge.

“Young Fan” – Knows little about boxing history, and thinks boxing was invented with the rise of Mike Tyson. Knows or cares nothing about the past fighters. They were from “before”, so they were obviously no good. Tends to be boring after a while, when it becomes obvious he doesn’t know about past fighters and, even worse… doesn’t care to know.

“Casual Fan” – Cares only about the heavyweights. Anybody below that is a pipsqueak and “why should I watch anything other than two elephants whaling at each other”. Will talk incessantly about Mike Tyson, Ali, Lennox Lewis, and others… but knows didly squat about any division below that, except for marquee names and/or media darlings, such as: ODLH, PBF, Pacquiao, etc.

“Bully Fan” – Is very opinionated, and drives home his opinions harshly. Woe to those who don’t agree, who then get cyber-abused, from the safety of the bully’s keyboard. Usually writes well, aggressively, and normally develops a following within the forum. Gets looked up to, or feared, or both. Can be combined with other types of fan.

“One-Man Fan” – Is fan of only one fighter. No one else exists. Can border on obsessive behavior. Fills the forum with incessant threads and posts about his favorite fighter, but very little else. Normally becomes quite boring to read, and is summarily ignored and ridiculed. Lashes out at every other fighter.

“Hater Fan” – Picks out certain fighters for intense dislike. Gives these fighters absolutely no credit whatsoever. Will go out of their way to instigate arguments and exchange insults with fans of these fighters that they hate.

Obviously, I feel obligated to rate myself (truthfully). So here goes: If I were to truthfully rate myself within these categories, it’d be something like…

60% - Objective
25% - Nationalistic
5% - Bully
10% - Hater

I may seem very nationalistic in some of my arguments, but I’ve long established my dislike for some Puerto Rican fighters (Camacho, Santos, Ruiz)…. while at the same time establishing being a fan of fighters from some rival countries (Duran, Barrera, Pacquiao, Pavlik). I’ve also found faults and criticized some of Cotto’s decisions, and have admitted to his weaknesses and shortcomings, just like I used to do with Tito.

By the same token, I’ve seen the gamut of fans here on this forum. The 100% nationalistics, the casuals, the bullies, the haters, and all different kinds of combinations.

How would you rate yourself?

I would like to think of myself as a "objective fan". I don't really have any favorite fighters, though there are some that I usually cheer for, and I think that nationalism plays very little role in that.

I don't know a ton about the history of the game as I only because a fan around 2006, so I guess I would have to consider myself a bit of an "adolescent fan", though I dislike that term...

I don't think I bully or hate too much, but some fighters and some fanbases do piss me off.

70% Objective
10% Nationalistic
15% Bully
5% Hater

lol

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Originally Posted by CFH

I would like to think of myself as a "objective fan". I don't really have any favorite fighters, though there are some that I usually cheer for, and I think that nationalism plays very little role in that.

I don't know a ton about the history of the game as I only because a fan around 2006, so I guess I would have to consider myself a bit of an "adolescent fan", though I dislike that term...
I don't think I bully or hate too much, but some fighters and some fanbases do piss me off.

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I fixed it, CFH.

:)

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

70% Objective
10% Nationalistic
15% Bully
5% Hater

lol

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Interesting stuff, Terrible. It'd be interesting to see how others rate themselves. It's hard to be brutally honest. I do admit to having a nationalistic streak, but I like to think it's tempered with Objective stuff. (LOL)

Nice thread...nice boxing fan classification too.

As a boxing fan i can be a combination of all the categories stated.One thing of me is that i watch boxing matches 3 days in a week and i find joy doing it especially if i watch the fights live.

Objective fan and 100% Pacquiao fan;D
been here since 2003;)

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Originally Posted by happytrip

Nice thread...nice boxing fan classification too.

As a boxing fan i can be a combination of all the categories stated.One thing of me is that i watch boxing matches 3 days in a week and i find joy doing it especially if i watch the fights live.

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Three days a week is a pretty good rate. I'd like to watch more boxing, but I usually try for at least once a week. Watching fights live is a real treat. You don't get the replays and the different angles, but there's another kind of excitement that only comes from seeing the fight live.

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

Objective fan and 100% Pacquiao fan;D
been here since 2003;)

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You're what I call a TRUE forum veteran.

;D

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by happytrip

Nice thread...nice boxing fan classification too.

As a boxing fan i can be a combination of all the categories stated.One thing of me is that i watch boxing matches 3 days in a week and i find joy doing it especially if i watch the fights live.

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Three days a week is a pretty good rate. I'd like to watch more boxing, but I usually try for at least once a week. Watching fights live is a real treat. You don't get the replays and the different angles, but there's another kind of excitement that only comes from seeing the fight live.

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Here in the Philippines we have a regular boxing show on cable tv;3 times aweek.For big fights i go to Cebu or Manila.These big fights may come once in every 2 two months. I spend quite a sum to see big fights.

Through my years as a fan I've been in everyone of those phases...
Anyone who sits there and types that they have been one way all the time is lying.

As of today I've become about 90% Objective with about 10% Nationalistic. But I'm gradually breaking into the 90 percentile as sometimes I predict against my own.

So that's pretty much me...

Without a doubt. 100% Objective.

70% obejectve
20% hater
10% bully


I'm mainly an objective boxing fan, been watching boxing in early '90s, around RJJ's prime, then became hardcore around mid '90s and was a big DLH fanboy. Now I'm not a fanboy of any fighter. I can be somewhat opinionated with some things boxing related. And yes I do have a "hater" streak in me when it comes to certain fighters, like David Haye, Amir Khan, etc. You know the ones where they brag and boast and really hasn't establish themselves or avoids certain fights or has an easy ride up the boxing ladder.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

70% obejectve
20% hater
10% bully


I'm mainly an objective boxing fan, been watching boxing in early '90s, around RJJ's prime, then became hardcore around mid '90s and was a big DLH fanboy. Now I'm not a fanboy of any fighter. I can be somewhat opinionated with some things boxing related. And yes I do have a "hater" streak in me when it comes to certain fighters, like David Haye, Amir Khan, etc. You know the ones where they brag and boast and really hasn't establish themselves or avoids certain fights or has an easy ride up the boxing ladder.

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Bad thing to have. No need to hate on a fighter for no reason. It's one thing to critic a fighter. It's another thing to just bad mouth him for no apparent reason. It happens a lot to some of my personal favorites. Being the massive Pacquiao, Calzaghe fan I am it does sadden me to see them being attack on a regular basis. But there's nothing I can do about it but defend there good name while at the same time acknowledging some of the criticism is well deserved

I'm the sort of fan that likes a good match weather it be a brawl or a chess match between 2 guys. Don't matter to me if it's a massive PPV or two blokes fighting for change in the prize fighter.

I'm the sort of fan that doesn't take these silly forums or it's silly opinionated posters seriously at all.

I'm the sort of fan that has to see something to believe it

I'm the sort of fan that hates cheating of ANY kind

I'm the sort of fan that wants to see the sport cleaned up

I'm the sort of fan that thinks the sanctioning bodies should be scrapped

60% Objective
20% Casual
20% Nationistic

As much as I pay an interest to the older generation, I have to admit my knowledge of them is very little compared to modern fighters. I watch a lot of boxing though, will always watch at least 2 shows a week and all the fights in them.

an objective fan by far

I have backed the Brit boys in the past - Benn, Bruno, Hatton, now Haye etc.. but I have also disliked (a lot !) a good few Brit fighters too.

Have to admit I don't tune into Friday night fights to see the journeymen fighters etc.. - but will watch later if I hear there's been a good scrap and can take or leave the support bouts in fights (unless there's a 'one to watch for the future' type fighter on there I've heard about)

I keep an eye on the ratings in the Ring and am well aware who the main men out there are - but some I have yet to see in action if not shown in UK.

40% - Objective
25% - Nationalistic
15% - Bully
20% - Hater

I'm a long time boxing fan who shamelessly supports GBR whether good or shite and would not really hold back in order to get my point across however I am very cynical about boxing lately so I'm more biased to dislike qualities of modern boxing in a less than objective fashion.

I'd say i'm about 85% objective. I try to be 100% but sometimes it's hard when someone else is being a pure 'hater.'

I'm about 5% casual, in the sense that my interest has waned from what it was. It's mainly down to lack of coverage and inactivity of a lot of fighters.

I'm also probably around 10% nationalistic, but that's more down to the fact that English fighters are recieve more coverage in England, so it's easier to follow an English fighter throughout their career. I'm not blindly nationalistic. If there was an American fighter and an English fighter who receieved the same coverage over here from an early age, there'd be just as much chance i'd take to either fighter. Nationality wouldn't come into it.

Very cool thread!!

40% Objective
10% Nationalistic
5% Young
0% Casual
0% Bully
25% One Man Fan
20% Hater

I would be lying if i didn't admit that i have a touch of biasness when it comes to love and hated fighters... The way my mind works when it comes to boxing is i will purposly have a favorite fighter, and i will have my most hated fighter, and then i will be objective on everyone else...

Being passionate about a certain figher, and then hating another just adds a lot spice to being a fan of the sport... I will always live by this... I'm content with it...

I'm just a general fan of the sport as a whole. Not any particular fighter, country, style, race, weight division. Doesn't matter to me. Most of the time i really don't even care who wins, just a good fight. One round ko or 12 round decison, i like em all. Now football....that's a whole different story.

What type of fan would you consider a person who only watches fights between the top prospects and the elite only. A person who researches and does the history thing but never watches the regular fights or maybe worse yet never goes to watch a fight live?

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Without a doubt. 100% Objective.

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LMAO! VD, you're an old veteran... so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But let me go out on a limb here and venture that you're probably:

99% objective
1% bully?

;D :cool:

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Originally Posted by cnote111

Very cool thread!!

40% Objective
10% Nationalistic
5% Young
0% Casual
0% Bully
25% One Man Fan
20% Hater

I would be lying if i didn't admit that i have a touch of biasness when it comes to love and hated fighters... The way my mind works when it comes to boxing is i will purposly have a favorite fighter, and i will have my most hated fighter, and then i will be objective on everyone else...

Being passionate about a certain figher, and then hating another just adds a lot spice to being a fan of the sport... I will always live by this... I'm content with it...

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LOL... I like your honesty. In fact, sometimes we tend to be rather harsh in judging ourselves. Really, there's nothing wrong with being an avid fan of a specific fighter... and sometimes we tend to overlook certain shortcomings, and are more prone to forgive and excuse bad outings. Being a "hater" is the same way. I think very few of us can honestly say we've never just disliked a certain fighter, regardless of his good qualities in and/or out of the ring.

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Originally Posted by 0james0

60% Objective
20% Casual
20% Nationistic

As much as I pay an interest to the older generation, I have to admit my knowledge of them is very little compared to modern fighters. I watch a lot of boxing though, will always watch at least 2 shows a week and all the fights in them.

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Your honesty is admirable. But based on your description, I'd say you have some "Young Fan" in there as well. Since you DO have some interest in the older generation, I can suggest that you download or otherwise obtain some classics from years past, just so you can get a flavor of what people are talking about when they mention a Roberto Duran, a Sugar Ray Leonard, a Wilfredo Benitez... or even further back... a Sugar Ray Robinson, a Rocky Marciano, a Floyd Patterson. It gives you a different, and I think better, perspective.

I've been thinking about this more, was thinking last night while watching a Bruno classic show, showing his rise to the big time. I do try to get up to date with the oldies and have watched various highlight reels on all the old greats, but they just don't do it for me like the modern fights.

I appreciate what they have achieved, but they don't entertain me at all.

But I've only been a serious boxing fan for less than 10 years, so the young and casual is more right.

Just love boxing to be honest!

Watched loads last night, British Boxing Heroes, Mayweather vs Mosley and Mayweaher vs Marquez. Really need a super fight now though, everything has been a bit slow this year as fighters try to find the easiest fight to fill their one a year quota.

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Originally Posted by 0james0

I've been thinking about this more, was thinking last night while watching a Bruno classic show, showing his rise to the big time. I do try to get up to date with the oldies and have watched various highlight reels on all the old greats, but they just don't do it for me like the modern fights.

I appreciate what they have achieved, but they don't entertain me at all.

But I've only been a serious boxing fan for less than 10 years, so the young and casual is more right.

Just love boxing to be honest!

Watched loads last night, British Boxing Heroes, Mayweather vs Mosley and Mayweaher vs Marquez. Really need a super fight now though, everything has been a bit slow this year as fighters try to find the easiest fight to fill their one a year quota.

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I sympathize with you. If you go back VERY far in time, I also don't get much out of seeing the old style boxers. Especially with some of the old boxing rules. For instance, while I admit someone like Jack Dempsey was a boxing icon in his time, I've watched some old fight clips of his, and I also don't get much out of it. Boxing has evolved, just like any other sport... so it's not really fair to dismiss these earlier stages. However, having said that, I think you'd find the classics of the 1980's VERY entertaining. There was a sort of "golden era" in boxing back then, and some very very good fights were made.

i've been accused to being a "racist" among other things by seemingly by some over-sensitive fans on this site. i've been told that i only like mexican fighters and that i'm this and that, yada yada yada. the truth is this, i'm a big boxing fan of mexican boxers AND non-mexican boxers. and i'm not going to apologize to anyone that i'm also somewhat nationalistic when it comes to boxing. anyone on this board who says otherwise is just kidding themselves.

when chris arreola battled tomasz adamek a few months ago, i was undeniably behind adamek. i'm a big fan of his and he happens to be polish. why is that? why did i root for adamek and not arreola? because i'm not a racist like i'm been branded here. for example, my favorite "non-mexican" fighters are:

yonnhy perez - colombia
vic darchinyan - armenia
michael katsidid - australia
timothy bradley - usa
marcos rene maidana - argentina
joel casamayor - cuba
floyd mayweather jr. - usa
shane mosley - usa
ricky hatton - england
miguel angel cotto - puerto rico
kermit cintron - puerto rico
sergio gabriel martinez - argentina
kelly pavlik - usa
lucian bute - romania
andre ward - usa
mikkel kessler - denmark
arthur abraham - armenia
carl froch - england
edison miranda - colombia
jermain taylor - usa
chad dawson - usa
klitschko brothers - ukraine
tomasz adamek - poland

one more thing, the reason i put down results whenever a mexican fighter fights a filipino fighter is because they, the filipinos wanted very badly to have this "rivalry". i personally don't think there is any "rivalry" because of the one sidedness between the two countries. maybe not on this site but in many other sites, they compare themselves to mexicans in everything. be it beauty pageants, boxing, etc...it seems as if they've got this obsession with mexicans.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

I once posted a thread similar to this, where I attempted to define the different types of boxing fans. Thought it was an interesting and relevant subject, so here I go again:

“Objective Fan” – Probably the most credible type of fan, with little or no nationality preferences or biases. Likes or dislikes fighters based mostly on facts, such as: fighting style, skills, record, personality, heart, excitement factor, etc, etc. Can find and discuss flaws in his own liked fighters, as well as good qualities in his “not-so-liked” fighters.

“Nationalistic Fan” – Likes or dislikes fighters strictly based on nationality. If you’re Mexican, you like only Mexican fighters and discredit everybody else. Same if you’re Puerto Rican, Filipino, English, etc, etc. Will make the occasional exception, but it’s extremely rare. Will try to pass off nationalistic bias for boxing knowledge.

“Young Fan” – Knows little about boxing history, and thinks boxing was invented with the rise of Mike Tyson. Knows or cares nothing about the past fighters. They were from “before”, so they were obviously no good. Tends to be boring after a while, when it becomes obvious he doesn’t know about past fighters and, even worse… doesn’t care to know.

“Casual Fan” – Cares only about the heavyweights. Anybody below that is a pipsqueak and “why should I watch anything other than two elephants whaling at each other”. Will talk incessantly about Mike Tyson, Ali, Lennox Lewis, and others… but knows didly squat about any division below that, except for marquee names and/or media darlings, such as: ODLH, PBF, Pacquiao, etc.

“Bully Fan” – Is very opinionated, and drives home his opinions harshly. Woe to those who don’t agree, who then get cyber-abused, from the safety of the bully’s keyboard. Usually writes well, aggressively, and normally develops a following within the forum. Gets looked up to, or feared, or both. Can be combined with other types of fan.

“One-Man Fan” – Is fan of only one fighter. No one else exists. Can border on obsessive behavior. Fills the forum with incessant threads and posts about his favorite fighter, but very little else. Normally becomes quite boring to read, and is summarily ignored and ridiculed. Lashes out at every other fighter.

“Hater Fan” – Picks out certain fighters for intense dislike. Gives these fighters absolutely no credit whatsoever. Will go out of their way to instigate arguments and exchange insults with fans of these fighters that they hate.

Obviously, I feel obligated to rate myself (truthfully). So here goes: If I were to truthfully rate myself within these categories, it’d be something like…

60% - Objective
25% - Nationalistic
5% - Bully
10% - Hater

I may seem very nationalistic in some of my arguments, but I’ve long established my dislike for some Puerto Rican fighters (Camacho, Santos, Ruiz)…. while at the same time establishing being a fan of fighters from some rival countries (Duran, Barrera, Pacquiao, Pavlik). I’ve also found faults and criticized some of Cotto’s decisions, and have admitted to his weaknesses and shortcomings, just like I used to do with Tito.

By the same token, I’ve seen the gamut of fans here on this forum. The 100% nationalistics, the casuals, the bullies, the haters, and all different kinds of combinations.

How would you rate yourself?

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Difficult. I try to be objective, but at the same time I suppose I am a 'young fan' who doesnt know as much as other people, but can somtimes be abit forward with my opinions. I am pretty much completely anti-nationalistic to the point of being a 'hater fan' to almost all British fighters.

errr

50% Objective
25% 'young fan' (I wouldnt say I dont care about older fighters)
0% nationalistic
20% hater (to counter-act the above)
5% Bully


Can you be nationalistic to a nation that isn't your own?

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

I once posted a thread similar to this, where I attempted to define the different types of boxing fans. Thought it was an interesting and relevant subject, so here I go again:

“Objective Fan” – Probably the most credible type of fan, with little or no nationality preferences or biases. Likes or dislikes fighters based mostly on facts, such as: fighting style, skills, record, personality, heart, excitement factor, etc, etc. Can find and discuss flaws in his own liked fighters, as well as good qualities in his “not-so-liked” fighters.

“Nationalistic Fan” – Likes or dislikes fighters strictly based on nationality. If you’re Mexican, you like only Mexican fighters and discredit everybody else. Same if you’re Puerto Rican, Filipino, English, etc, etc. Will make the occasional exception, but it’s extremely rare. Will try to pass off nationalistic bias for boxing knowledge.

“Young Fan” – Knows little about boxing history, and thinks boxing was invented with the rise of Mike Tyson. Knows or cares nothing about the past fighters. They were from “before”, so they were obviously no good. Tends to be boring after a while, when it becomes obvious he doesn’t know about past fighters and, even worse… doesn’t care to know.

“Casual Fan” – Cares only about the heavyweights. Anybody below that is a pipsqueak and “why should I watch anything other than two elephants whaling at each other”. Will talk incessantly about Mike Tyson, Ali, Lennox Lewis, and others… but knows didly squat about any division below that, except for marquee names and/or media darlings, such as: ODLH, PBF, Pacquiao, etc.

“Bully Fan” – Is very opinionated, and drives home his opinions harshly. Woe to those who don’t agree, who then get cyber-abused, from the safety of the bully’s keyboard. Usually writes well, aggressively, and normally develops a following within the forum. Gets looked up to, or feared, or both. Can be combined with other types of fan.

“One-Man Fan” – Is fan of only one fighter. No one else exists. Can border on obsessive behavior. Fills the forum with incessant threads and posts about his favorite fighter, but very little else. Normally becomes quite boring to read, and is summarily ignored and ridiculed. Lashes out at every other fighter.

“Hater Fan” – Picks out certain fighters for intense dislike. Gives these fighters absolutely no credit whatsoever. Will go out of their way to instigate arguments and exchange insults with fans of these fighters that they hate.

Obviously, I feel obligated to rate myself (truthfully). So here goes: If I were to truthfully rate myself within these categories, it’d be something like…

60% - Objective
25% - Nationalistic
5% - Bully
10% - Hater

I may seem very nationalistic in some of my arguments, but I’ve long established my dislike for some Puerto Rican fighters (Camacho, Santos, Ruiz)…. while at the same time establishing being a fan of fighters from some rival countries (Duran, Barrera, Pacquiao, Pavlik). I’ve also found faults and criticized some of Cotto’s decisions, and have admitted to his weaknesses and shortcomings, just like I used to do with Tito.

By the same token, I’ve seen the gamut of fans here on this forum. The 100% nationalistics, the casuals, the bullies, the haters, and all different kinds of combinations.

How would you rate yourself?

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Difficult. I try to be objective, but at the same time I suppose I am a 'young fan' who doesnt know as much as other people, but can somtimes be abit forward with my opinions. I am pretty much completely anti-nationalistic to the point of being a 'hater fan' to almost all British fighters.

errr

50% Objective
25% 'young fan' (I wouldnt say I dont care about older fighters)
0% nationalistic
20% hater (to counter-act the above)
5% Bully


Can you be nationalistic to a nation that isn't your own?

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Good breakdown. To answer your question, I would probably say "no", although as often happens, there are exceptions to every categorization. You see... to me, a nationalistic fan normally assigns "fan points" to a fighter from his/her country right off the bat just for being from that same country. And there's a lot of pride involved. This is where the rivalries come into play. For instance, English fans are very proud of their boxing heritage, and probably feel a certain rivalry when a fighter of theirs faces off against a fighter from the U.S., for instance. Another example is the Puerto Rico - Mexico rivalry. Lately you also have the Mexico - Phillipines rivalry. Nationalistic fans will support and get emotionally involved in a fight, especially a championship fight, between a fighter of "theirs" and a fighter from a rival country.

However...... that's not to say that you can't "adopt" a country and become nationalistic, to a degree, toward fighters from that country.

titofan,

the biggest and greatest boxing rivalry is between mexico and puerto rico. it's compared to the yankees/redsox, steelers/raiders, cowboys/redskins. and by the way, puerto rico leads mexico by the score of:

puerto rico - 62-48-1

now, that's a real rivalry!!!

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Originally Posted by milmascaras1

i've been accused to being a "racist" among other things by seemingly by some over-sensitive fans on this site. i've been told that i only like mexican fighters and that i'm this and that, yada yada yada. the truth is this, i'm a big boxing fan of mexican boxers AND non-mexican boxers. and i'm not going to apologize to anyone that i'm also somewhat nationalistic when it comes to boxing. anyone on this board who says otherwise is just kidding themselves.

when chris arreola battled tomasz adamek a few months ago, i was undeniably behind adamek. i'm a big fan of his and he happens to be polish. why is that? why did i root for adamek and not arreola? because i'm not a racist like i'm been branded here. for example, my favorite "non-mexican" fighters are:

yonnhy perez - colombia
vic darchinyan - armenia
michael katsidid - australia
timothy bradley - usa
marcos rene maidana - argentina
joel casamayor - cuba
floyd mayweather jr. - usa
shane mosley - usa
ricky hatton - england
miguel angel cotto - puerto rico
kermit cintron - puerto rico
sergio gabriel martinez - argentina
kelly pavlik - usa
lucian bute - romania
andre ward - usa
mikkel kessler - denmark
arthur abraham - armenia
carl froch - england
edison miranda - colombia
jermain taylor - usa
chad dawson - usa
klitschko brothers - ukraine
tomasz adamek - poland

one more thing, the reason i put down results whenever a mexican fighter fights a filipino fighter is because they, the filipinos wanted very badly to have this "rivalry". i personally don't think there is any "rivalry" because of the one sidedness between the two countries. maybe not on this site but in many other sites, they compare themselves to mexicans in everything. be it beauty pageants, boxing, etc...it seems as if they've got this obsession with mexicans.

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IMO, it only just came from your mouth. But why include Filipinos here? You can bash Filipinos on other sites that you are pertaining to. Shallow enough, just because Filipinos are talking about rivalry with Mexicans is enough reason to post insults against Filipinos. Show some little love dude.
I think the greatest example of Mexican obsession is you..lol

The main reason why you are called a "racist" is because you love to bash Filipinos and Filipino fighters.

see thread:
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...rld-title.html

But kidding aside, there is no need to bash other races in order to be called a boxing fan.


Typical boxing fans are NUTHUGGERS (most are annoying though).

Real boxing fans follow the boxing WORLD, yes WORLD, not just Filipino, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Ghanaian, or boxing on a specific country only. And also not only focus on one division, but in every division (strawweight to heavyweight)

milmascaras1 always insinuates that FILIPINOS only know Pacquiao, I think he is wrong here.
He can boast that Mexico has produced more world champions than Filipinos, yes that is correct and there is nothing to argue about that. Mexico is a great boxing country. And there is nothing to hate about Mexico. But he's got every reason to bash Filipinos.

Even Oscar Larios was touched when he once visited the Philippines during the WBC Convention in November 2007 because of the adoration and applause he received from Filipinos. Even Juan Manuel Marquez was applauded when he visited the Philippines.

But I got to love milmascaras1's list of favorite fighters.

But you can't force him to admire Filipino fighters though. ;D

jolz,

i read your comments and i must say you are a very down to earth person. seriously! and by the way, i don't hate filipinos. i know alot of filipinos who are good friends of mine. maybe it was my fault that i was generalizing all filipinos because of some bad apples and i admit i was wrong. and i must say that i believe filipino fighters are very tough, valiant warriors, just like mexicans, puerto ricans, americans, cubans, etc...those guys don't have quit in them and i admire their toughness. they might be small in stature but i believe they are second to none when it comes to fighting. and another thing, when pacquiao first came unto the boxing scene with a thunder when he destroyed marco barrera in 2003, i was also a fan of his. but because of his fans, i soon started disliking him. really, i admire the man because he's one of the very few worldwide superstars who are still down to earth and won't let fame corrupt him. oh and by the way, i am an avid follower of filipino boxing. i follow all of their fights and have a database of all their world champions in history! so Jolz, hopefully we can have civil and intelligent conversations from now on. mabuhay ka!

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titofan,

the biggest and greatest boxing rivalry is between mexico and puerto rico. it's compared to the yankees/redsox, steelers/raiders, cowboys/redskins. and by the way, puerto rico leads mexico by the score of:

puerto rico - 62-48-1

now, that's a real rivalry!!!

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I agree 100%. I'm a huge sports fan, of many sports. In football, for instance, (American, that is)... I'm a Steeler fan and I intensely dislike the Dallas Cowboys. When they play each other, I get pretty psyched up. But for sheer excitement and the kind of rivalry that gets your heart pumping at 100 mph, NOTHING beats a championship fight between a Puerto Rican and a Mexican fighter. And it's been that way for many, many years. One thing we can both boast about is having a magnificent and storied boxing past (and present). And looking forward to many more years of the same intense rivalry.

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jolz,

i read your comments and i must say you are a very down to earth person. seriously! and by the way, i don't hate filipinos. i know alot of filipinos who are good friends of mine. maybe it was my fault that i was generalizing all filipinos because of some bad apples and i admit i was wrong. and i must say that i believe filipino fighters are very tough, valiant warriors, just like mexicans, puerto ricans, americans, cubans, etc...those guys don't have quit in them and i admire their toughness. they might be small in stature but i believe they are second to none when it comes to fighting. and another thing, when pacquiao first came unto the boxing scene with a thunder when he destroyed marco barrera in 2003, i was also a fan of his. but because of his fans, i soon started disliking him. really, i admire the man because he's one of the very few worldwide superstars who are still down to earth and won't let fame corrupt him. oh and by the way, i am an avid follower of filipino boxing. i follow all of their fights and have a database of all their world champions in history! so Jolz, hopefully we can have civil and intelligent conversations from now on. mabuhay ka!

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OK bro..You can bash nuthuggers..;)
You cannot dislike the man himself. He is more humble than most of Pacfans. I can say you are a real boxing fan because you follow every fight. And my bad, I am always infuriating you with my comments. Boxing is brotherhood..;)

jolz,

indeed, boxing is a brotherhood. today i was looking at the results from the philippines at BOXREC and they had a really huge card somewhere where they showcased some really promising prospects. right now philippine boxing is virtually at a standstill but it looks like you guys have some pretty good young prospects coming up.

these guys are really young and it would be foolish for their managers to pit them against competition they are not ready for. this rushing filipino prospects has been going on since pacquiao came unto the scene and it's practically ruined some prospects like rey bautista and a.j. banal and a few others. these managers are looking for the next pacquiao but there can only be one pacquiao.

yeah, mexico has alot of super prospects as well. you can say mexico's boxing is at a standstill even with 9 champions but wait until their prospects are ready. it's going to be exciting because if these prospects are brought up correctly and not too fast, many of them are going to be world champions.

as far as following every fight, that's almost true! lol...i've got a lot of time on my hands and i like to do research and i have loads of statistics on boxing, baseball, football, world cup soccer etc...

mabuhay ka pare!

titofan,

yes indeed, puerto rico/mexico rivalry is tops in boxing. but do you know what bewilders me? how can puerto rico produce so many quality world champions with such a miniscule population as compared to other densely populated countries? it's really amazing!

years ago i had a black friend who was from new york and she told me that her dad made her carry a knife to school every day because she was always getting into fights with puerto ricans. she even told me that if whenever there was a fight, 9 times out of 10 it involved a puerto rican.

that's why you guys are so good at boxing cause you're fightin' mofo's!!1 ;D

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titofan,

yes indeed, puerto rico/mexico rivalry is tops in boxing. but do you know what bewilders me? how can puerto rico produce so many quality world champions with such a miniscule population as compared to other densely populated countries? it's really amazing!

years ago i had a black friend who was from new york and she told me that her dad made her carry a knife to school every day because she was always getting into fights with puerto ricans. she even told me that if whenever there was a fight, 9 times out of 10 it involved a puerto rican.

that's why you guys are so good at boxing cause you're fightin' mofo's!!1 ;D

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LOL... yeah, Puerto Ricans in NY by and large give the rest of us a bad rap (or maybe a good one, depending how you look at it). But seriously... I think the reason for the disproportionate number of great champions coming out of an island with such a miniscule population (in comparison with other boxing powers) is that we have what I would call a spectacular boxing development program. You go to just about any town on the island, and you'll find fights being held at local gyms, where you'll see amazing young talent. Just the other day I was discussing with a friend at work how the future looks promising for more P.R. champions, based on the young talent coming up through the ranks these days.

A year or so ago I did some research on the number of historical world champions from the different countries, and compared it to the populations of those countries. And while the boxing powers you'd expect are near the top of the list: (U.S., Mexico, England, Venezuela), little Puerto Rico was far and away at the top of that list (champions divided by population, that is). Obviously in terms of sheer number of historical world champions, the U.S. and Mexico and #1 and #2, respectively.

titofan,

indeed, puerto rico is per capita boxing's cream of the crop!

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I once posted a thread similar to this, where I attempted to define the different types of boxing fans. Thought it was an interesting and relevant subject, so here I go again:

“Objective Fan” – Probably the most credible type of fan, with little or no nationality preferences or biases. Likes or dislikes fighters based mostly on facts, such as: fighting style, skills, record, personality, heart, excitement factor, etc, etc. Can find and discuss flaws in his own liked fighters, as well as good qualities in his “not-so-liked” fighters.

“Nationalistic Fan” – Likes or dislikes fighters strictly based on nationality. If you’re Mexican, you like only Mexican fighters and discredit everybody else. Same if you’re Puerto Rican, Filipino, English, etc, etc. Will make the occasional exception, but it’s extremely rare. Will try to pass off nationalistic bias for boxing knowledge.

“Young Fan” – Knows little about boxing history, and thinks boxing was invented with the rise of Mike Tyson. Knows or cares nothing about the past fighters. They were from “before”, so they were obviously no good. Tends to be boring after a while, when it becomes obvious he doesn’t know about past fighters and, even worse… doesn’t care to know.

“Casual Fan” – Cares only about the heavyweights. Anybody below that is a pipsqueak and “why should I watch anything other than two elephants whaling at each other”. Will talk incessantly about Mike Tyson, Ali, Lennox Lewis, and others… but knows didly squat about any division below that, except for marquee names and/or media darlings, such as: ODLH, PBF, Pacquiao, etc.

“Bully Fan” – Is very opinionated, and drives home his opinions harshly. Woe to those who don’t agree, who then get cyber-abused, from the safety of the bully’s keyboard. Usually writes well, aggressively, and normally develops a following within the forum. Gets looked up to, or feared, or both. Can be combined with other types of fan.

“One-Man Fan” – Is fan of only one fighter. No one else exists. Can border on obsessive behavior. Fills the forum with incessant threads and posts about his favorite fighter, but very little else. Normally becomes quite boring to read, and is summarily ignored and ridiculed. Lashes out at every other fighter.

“Hater Fan” – Picks out certain fighters for intense dislike. Gives these fighters absolutely no credit whatsoever. Will go out of their way to instigate arguments and exchange insults with fans of these fighters that they hate.

Obviously, I feel obligated to rate myself (truthfully). So here goes: If I were to truthfully rate myself within these categories, it’d be something like…

60% - Objective
25% - Nationalistic
5% - Bully
10% - Hater

I may seem very nationalistic in some of my arguments, but I’ve long established my dislike for some Puerto Rican fighters (Camacho, Santos, Ruiz)…. while at the same time establishing being a fan of fighters from some rival countries (Duran, Barrera, Pacquiao, Pavlik). I’ve also found faults and criticized some of Cotto’s decisions, and have admitted to his weaknesses and shortcomings, just like I used to do with Tito.

By the same token, I’ve seen the gamut of fans here on this forum. The 100% nationalistics, the casuals, the bullies, the haters, and all different kinds of combinations.

How would you rate yourself?

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How could i FORGET? What a serious oversight on my part! I forgot one very important type of fan in my original post......

"Business Fan" - Cares more about PPV numbers and how much money so and so makes than about the actual fights. Actually rates fighters not on wins and losses, but on how many millions he made on his last PPV.

My bad.
Personally, this is probably the LAST type of fan I would ever be. You see... I'm that rare breed of fan that could give a rat's ass about the business logistics of boxing, at least when it gets taken to the extreme. Don't get me wrong. There's nothing wrong about building your way toward a big fight, and not having two rising young talents meet too soon. No problem whatsoever. BUT... when this gets taken to the extreme that then fighters blatantly duck each other in the name of money, it stinks.