Why Floyd truly is an all time great

I was thinking this recently, we have seen so many 'great' fighters exposed. Devon Alexander's stock has fallen so far this weekend that some even think Amir Khan could beat him, Anderson Silva the world's greatest mixed martial artist was dominated for 4 rounds by a guy with a 28-10 record, Fedor was choked out and arm barred inside a couple minutes.

Yet Floyd never has a bad night. He's never lost a fight, never been knocked down or really troubled. Castillo aside on his worst ever night, nobody has got close to beating him.

I can't think of a single fighter in history who has fought the same level of competition he has and done as well.

In a funny way I watched Anderson Silva this weekend and then Devon Alexander, and thought to myself Floyd really is the shit...

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I was thinking this recently, we have seen so many 'great' fighters exposed. Devon Alexander's stock has fallen so far this weekend that some even think Amir Khan could beat him, Anderson Silva the world's greatest mixed martial artist was dominated for 4 rounds by a guy with a 28-10 record, Fedor was choked out and arm barred inside a couple minutes.

Yet Floyd never has a bad night. He's never lost a fight, never been knocked down or really troubled. Castillo aside on his worst ever night, nobody has got close to beating him.

I can't think of a single fighter in history who has fought the same level of competition he has and done as well.

In a funny way I watched Anderson Silva this weekend and then Devon Alexander, and thought to myself Floyd really is the shit...

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Pernell Whitaker dominated better fighters and made it look easy, he only started to struggle when he started taking drugs and he got old. He dominated great fighters like Azumah Nelson, Julio Cesar Chavez, pretty easy.

But yes i agree Floyd Mayweather Jr is the man, one of my favorite modern fighters he really is great to watch. Despite other people calling him "boring" i don't see it that way.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I was thinking this recently, we have seen so many 'great' fighters exposed. Devon Alexander's stock has fallen so far this weekend that some even think Amir Khan could beat him, Anderson Silva the world's greatest mixed martial artist was dominated for 4 rounds by a guy with a 28-10 record, Fedor was choked out and arm barred inside a couple minutes.

Yet Floyd never has a bad night. He's never lost a fight, never been knocked down or really troubled. Castillo aside on his worst ever night, nobody has got close to beating him.

I can't think of a single fighter in history who has fought the same level of competition he has and done as well.

In a funny way I watched Anderson Silva this weekend and then Devon Alexander, and thought to myself Floyd really is the shit...

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I don't know about that Mosley did have him on his way down in the second and then Mosley just mysteriously grabbed on to him and wrestled him for the rest of the round for some reason ???

I've been watching some old fights today, one of them was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjPAk...eature=related

Floyd used to be quite aggressive and stand there trading, he has glimpses of the Floyd today, the stance is coming along and the speed and accuracy is already there. He also looks bigger then than now, seemed to be much stockier then, which is odd as that was probably a lightweight fight.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I was thinking this recently, we have seen so many 'great' fighters exposed. Devon Alexander's stock has fallen so far this weekend that some even think Amir Khan could beat him, Anderson Silva the world's greatest mixed martial artist was dominated for 4 rounds by a guy with a 28-10 record, Fedor was choked out and arm barred inside a couple minutes.

Yet Floyd never has a bad night. He's never lost a fight, never been knocked down or really troubled. Castillo aside on his worst ever night, nobody has got close to beating him.

I can't think of a single fighter in history who has fought the same level of competition he has and done as well.

In a funny way I watched Anderson Silva this weekend and then Devon Alexander, and thought to myself Floyd really is the shit...

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I don't know about that Mosley did have him on his way down in the second and then Mosley just mysteriously grabbed on to him and wrestled him for the rest of the round for some reason ???

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Mosley didn't grab on shit, Mayweather stepped back and started countering Mosley with repeated right hands, even stunning him, Floyd recovered and took over the second half of the round, nothing fishy about it

Skill-wise there is no question that he is one of the greatest of all time. He's dominated virtually all of his big-name opponents. However, there are always going to be lingering questions about his resume and his choice of opposition, especially if he doesn't fight Pacquiao (regardless of the reasons behind it not happening).

I despise Floyd Mayweather's persona and his delays fighting Pac but you have no choice but to acknowledge he is simply a superior tactician. The guy is like liquid in the ring.

He trains like a madman, he stays in fighting shape 7 days a week, and virtually steamrolls every opponent.

If the size and time differences weren't so glaring I think the fantasy fight I'd like to see most, prime vs prime, would be a young and spry James Toney and Floyd.

It'd be a beautiful thing I think. A chess match on the highest level.

there is no doubt that mayweather jr. is an all-time great! his record speaks for itself. and i cannot stand those detractors who say he's never beaten anybody. look at his record and you will see his resume is top notch.

the fact that he's dominated all his opponents with the exception of the two castillo fights is truly remarkable. no active fighter today can make that claim!

Floyd is great ...manny is great. That's why that fight is so big.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I was thinking this recently, we have seen so many 'great' fighters exposed. Devon Alexander's stock has fallen so far this weekend that some even think Amir Khan could beat him, Anderson Silva the world's greatest mixed martial artist was dominated for 4 rounds by a guy with a 28-10 record, Fedor was choked out and arm barred inside a couple minutes.

Yet Floyd never has a bad night. He's never lost a fight, never been knocked down or really troubled. Castillo aside on his worst ever night, nobody has got close to beating him.

I can't think of a single fighter in history who has fought the same level of competition he has and done as well.

In a funny way I watched Anderson Silva this weekend and then Devon Alexander, and thought to myself Floyd really is the shit...

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I don't dispute Floyd has greatness, but try taking another look at his fight with Dela Hoya. Mosley already past his prime was able to hurt him. Think what damage he would have gotten from a prime Mosley who would run out of gas in the second round.

Floyd is especially selective of his opposition. Not that he wouldnt have beaten them but if Floyd had an off night and these guys had the night of there life he would have lost.

Hatton - Floyd didnt fight Hatton when he stopped at 140

Cotto/Margarito - Floyd didnt fight these guys when Cotto was unbeaten and Margarito was supposedly a monster.

This is part of the reason he gets no respect and maybe why he is unbeaten, at 140 and above he hasnt fought anyone unless they have shown some vulnerability.

Floyd will wait til Pac loses or is taken to the brink and than will fight him. Thats Floyd's MO.

how anybody can say with a straight face that mayweather jr.'s opponents have been weak is beyond me. it's not who he beat and when, it's how he beat them! like i said earlier, the only fighter who ever gave him massive fits is jose luis castillo and to some extent, zab judah, early on. his resume is impressive anyway you want to spin it:

genaro hernandez, 38-1-1 - HOFer and he just toyed with him!
angel manfredy, 25-2-1 - still a very good, tough fighter and won easily.
justin juuko, 33-2-1,
"goyo" vargas, 40-6-1
diego corrales, 33-0, destroyed corrales to unify titles.
carlos hernandez, 33-2-1 - as you can see, hernandez was still in his prime.
jesus chavez, 35-1 - ditto
jose luis castillo, 45-4-1/46-5-1 - two very hotly contested fights which mayweather managed to pull off.
victoriano sosa, 35-2-2 - good solid opponent in his prime.
philip n'dou, 31-1 - ditto
demarcus corley, 28-2-1 - ditto
arturo gatti, 39-6 - expected to win but not in the way he did it. absolutely awesome display!
sharmba mitchell, 56-4 - veteran was still dangerous.
zab judah, 34-3 - zab when still in his prime.
carlos baldomir, 43-9-6 - linear welterweight champion and toyed with him.
oscar de la hoya, 38-4 - beat de la hoya for jr. middleweight title. won easier than SD scores!
ricky hatton, 43-0 - took hatton's "0" and his heart away!
juan manuel marquez, 50-4-1 - expected to win but not that easy. masterful display after coming back from retirement.
shane mosley, 46-5 - got into trouble early on but regrouped and cruised the rest of the way.

anyone who thinks this isn't impressive is just a mayweather jr. hater. the man can box and he is truly the most accomplished fighter on the planet today.

Mayweather has arguably the best resume in the sport only pacmans compares as he also has an awesome resume. Floyd is pretty much the man! he has a lot of haters because he's the man and he's cocky and arrogant with it.

Pac is also the man these guys should really sign up to punch one another in the face.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I was thinking this recently, we have seen so many 'great' fighters exposed. Devon Alexander's stock has fallen so far this weekend that some even think Amir Khan could beat him, Anderson Silva the world's greatest mixed martial artist was dominated for 4 rounds by a guy with a 28-10 record, Fedor was choked out and arm barred inside a couple minutes.

Yet Floyd never has a bad night. He's never lost a fight, never been knocked down or really troubled. Castillo aside on his worst ever night, nobody has got close to beating him.

I can't think of a single fighter in history who has fought the same level of competition he has and done as well.

In a funny way I watched Anderson Silva this weekend and then Devon Alexander, and thought to myself Floyd really is the shit...

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I don't dispute Floyd has greatness, but try taking another look at his fight with Dela Hoya. Mosley already past his prime was able to hurt him. Think what damage he would have gotten from a prime Mosley who would run out of gas in the second round.

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Mayweather has hardly been an active fighter though has he?

Besides, what Mosley did to Margarito was just about as impressive as anything else he's done his career. Granted, Margarito aint no De La Hoya, but it was the manner in which he destroyed Margarito that has to make it one of his best performances of his career. Besides, he was probably floating around the top 5 on most people's p4p lists.

I think if this fight happened a few years ago i think Floyd is more aggressive and puts the beat down.

Floyd is an all time great, but at what weight class?

147 prime v prime he loses to mosley and oscar..
135 again to mosley, but then losing doesn't disqualify him.

I also think RJJ dominated his competition far better than anyone in history that includes floyd....

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Originally Posted by Hunter

Floyd will wait til Pac loses or is taken to the brink and than will fight him. Thats Floyd's MO.

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Pac has been taken to the brink twice by Juan Manuel Marquez which many boxing experts, commentators, and fans even thought the desicion was not what they were expecting. Then his loss vs Erik Morales 1. Floyd could have jumped in there for a fight, somehow, he didn't:confused:.

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Pac is also the man these guys should really sign up to punch one another in the face

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Lol :D

WHy are people talking like Floyd only fights guys coming off loses? other than Zab recently who else has he fought coming of a loss? he just beat Mosley coming off one of his biggest wins.

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Originally Posted by piye

WHy are people talking like Floyd only fights guys coming off loses? other than Zab recently who else has he fought coming of a loss? he just beat Mosley coming off one of his biggest wins.

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Even then i'm sure the Zab fight was agreed even before Zab lost to Baldozar (as Sal calls him)

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I was thinking this recently, we have seen so many 'great' fighters exposed. Devon Alexander's stock has fallen so far this weekend that some even think Amir Khan could beat him, Anderson Silva the world's greatest mixed martial artist was dominated for 4 rounds by a guy with a 28-10 record, Fedor was choked out and arm barred inside a couple minutes.

Yet Floyd never has a bad night. He's never lost a fight, never been knocked down or really troubled. Castillo aside on his worst ever night, nobody has got close to beating him.

I can't think of a single fighter in history who has fought the same level of competition he has and done as well.

In a funny way I watched Anderson Silva this weekend and then Devon Alexander, and thought to myself Floyd really is the shit...

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I don't know about that Mosley did have him on his way down in the second and then Mosley just mysteriously grabbed on to him and wrestled him for the rest of the round for some reason ???

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Mosley didn't grab on shit, Mayweather stepped back and started countering Mosley with repeated right hands, even stunning him, Floyd recovered and took over the second half of the round, nothing fishy about it

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I don't know I think you need to rewatch that round there was clearly alot of holding mostly brought on by Mosley and Mayweather was not throwing anything while he was stunned.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I was thinking this recently, we have seen so many 'great' fighters exposed. Devon Alexander's stock has fallen so far this weekend that some even think Amir Khan could beat him, Anderson Silva the world's greatest mixed martial artist was dominated for 4 rounds by a guy with a 28-10 record, Fedor was choked out and arm barred inside a couple minutes.

Yet Floyd never has a bad night. He's never lost a fight, never been knocked down or really troubled. Castillo aside on his worst ever night, nobody has got close to beating him.

I can't think of a single fighter in history who has fought the same level of competition he has and done as well.

In a funny way I watched Anderson Silva this weekend and then Devon Alexander, and thought to myself Floyd really is the shit...

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I don't know about that Mosley did have him on his way down in the second and then Mosley just mysteriously grabbed on to him and wrestled him for the rest of the round for some reason ???

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Mosley didn't grab on shit, Mayweather stepped back and started countering Mosley with repeated right hands, even stunning him, Floyd recovered and took over the second half of the round, nothing fishy about it

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I don't know I think you need to rewatch that round there was clearly alot of holding mostly brought on by Mosley and Mayweather was not throwing anything while he was stunned.

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Lets clear this up nice and easily, here is the money shot.

Not really any holding from Mosley, at times he tries to smother Mayweathers arms a little to get some shots in while close. But not really holding.

The more I watch it, the less troubled Mayweather looks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhnRO9NeXFI&feature=related

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I was thinking this recently, we have seen so many 'great' fighters exposed. Devon Alexander's stock has fallen so far this weekend that some even think Amir Khan could beat him, Anderson Silva the world's greatest mixed martial artist was dominated for 4 rounds by a guy with a 28-10 record, Fedor was choked out and arm barred inside a couple minutes.

Yet Floyd never has a bad night. He's never lost a fight, never been knocked down or really troubled. Castillo aside on his worst ever night, nobody has got close to beating him.

I can't think of a single fighter in history who has fought the same level of competition he has and done as well.

In a funny way I watched Anderson Silva this weekend and then Devon Alexander, and thought to myself Floyd really is the shit...

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I don't know about that Mosley did have him on his way down in the second and then Mosley just mysteriously grabbed on to him and wrestled him for the rest of the round for some reason ???

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Mosley didn't grab on shit, Mayweather stepped back and started countering Mosley with repeated right hands, even stunning him, Floyd recovered and took over the second half of the round, nothing fishy about it

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I don't know I think you need to rewatch that round there was clearly alot of holding mostly brought on by Mosley and Mayweather was not throwing anything while he was stunned.

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Lets clear this up nice and easily, here is the money shot.

Not really any holding from Mosley, at times he tries to smother Mayweathers arms a little to get some shots in while close. But not really holding.

The more I watch it, the less troubled Mayweather looks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhnRO9NeXFI&feature=related

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The more I watch that video, the more I'm convinced that prime shane would have been tooooo much for floyd. At 135 or 147...way too strong. Floyd threw at the same time, got there first, and Mosley just went right through it only to hurt Floyd badly. Prime Mosley would have finished that fight in the second or third round....

Prime Mosley would have done well in that position but is Floyd in his prime? I don't think Prime Floyd gets caught with that shot

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Originally Posted by piye

Prime Mosley would have done well in that position but is Floyd in his prime? I don't think Prime Floyd gets caught with that shot

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If its prime mosley throwing that punch, it would or will have landed on anybody at some point during the night including prime floyd. Shane was too fast/explosive not to land on even the best defenders at some point during a fight. The only reason I don't consider floyd prime at the higher weights is because he doesn't use his legs as much and prefers to stand his ground. He was hit flush not because of age or diminishing reflexes, but because floyd thought he would catch shane in the middle of a wide overhand, which he did. He just didn't expect it to have little effect. Although it still wasn't flush, neither was the shot Shane landed.

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Originally Posted by piye

Prime Mosley would have done well in that position but is Floyd in his prime? I don't think Prime Floyd gets caught with that shot

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If its prime mosley throwing that punch, it would or will have landed on anybody at some point during the night including prime floyd. Shane was too fast/explosive not to land on even the best defenders at some point during a fight. The only reason I don't consider floyd prime at the higher weights is because he doesn't use his legs as much and prefers to stand his ground. He was hit flush not because of age or diminishing reflexes, but because floyd thought he would catch shane in the middle of a wide overhand, which he did. He just didn't expect it to have little effect. Although it still wasn't flush, neither was the shot Shane landed.

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Shane Mosley couldn't land jack on Winky Wright in 24 rounds, except when Winky Wright stupidly dropped his hands and let Shane Mosley hit him.

But i do agree prime for prime it would be a closer fight, i don't care what anyone says. Shane Mosley showed no stamina at all.

And people are overrating Floyd Mayweather Jr's performance a bit too much.

I mean except for his win over Antonio Margarito, who's not even legit i mean he looked like a pillow puncher in his last fight.

What has Shane Mosley done recently ? he was outboxed by Miguel Cotto although it was close Shane Mosley looked past his best.

He had a good performance against Luis Collazo in 2007, but Luis Collazo broke his left hand in the 2nd round. So thats really in doubt how good Shane Mosley could of done had that not happened. Considering Luis Collazo was landing his left hand up until that point. And then couldn't use it for the rest of the fight.

He struggled badly with Ricardo Mayorga, and looked shot until the last round.

I mean in all honesty i don't think Shane Mosley has looked at his peak since 2001, and his performances since the 1st Vernon Forrest fight have been very shaky, infact i think he's only really had two good performances since 2002, one against a very faded Fernando Vargas, and one against Luis Collazo who broke his hand.

Certainly not the same Shane Mosley, who had great stamina and a two fisted lightning attack who outpointed ODLH in 2000, or beat Wilfredo Rivera in a great war back in 1999.

That's one of the reasons I'm looking forward to Mosleys next fight, just to guage where that stamina is.

I've watched a few old Mosley fights recently and I must admit I forgot just how brilliant he was. Fast, strong and durable.

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Prime Mosley would have done well in that position but is Floyd in his prime? I don't think Prime Floyd gets caught with that shot

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If its prime mosley throwing that punch, it would or will have landed on anybody at some point during the night including prime floyd. Shane was too fast/explosive not to land on even the best defenders at some point during a fight. The only reason I don't consider floyd prime at the higher weights is because he doesn't use his legs as much and prefers to stand his ground. He was hit flush not because of age or diminishing reflexes, but because floyd thought he would catch shane in the middle of a wide overhand, which he did. He just didn't expect it to have little effect. Although it still wasn't flush, neither was the shot Shane landed.

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Shane Mosley couldn't land jack on Winky Wright in 24 rounds, except when Winky Wright stupidly dropped his hands and let Shane Mosley hit him.

But i do agree prime for prime it would be a closer fight, i don't care what anyone says. Shane Mosley showed no stamina at all.

And people are overrating Floyd Mayweather Jr's performance a bit too much.

I mean except for his win over Antonio Margarito, who's not even legit i mean he looked like a pillow puncher in his last fight.

What has Shane Mosley done recently ? he was outboxed by Miguel Cotto although it was close Shane Mosley looked past his best.

He had a good performance against Luis Collazo in 2007, but Luis Collazo broke his left hand in the 2nd round. So thats really in doubt how good Shane Mosley could of done had that not happened. Considering Luis Collazo was landing his left hand up until that point. And then couldn't use it for the rest of the fight.

He struggled badly with Ricardo Mayorga, and looked shot until the last round.

I mean in all honesty i don't think Shane Mosley has looked at his peak since 2001, and his performances since the 1st Vernon Forrest fight have been very shaky, infact i think he's only really had two good performances since 2002, one against a very faded Fernando Vargas, and one against Luis Collazo who broke his hand.

Certainly not the same Shane Mosley, who had great stamina and a two fisted lightning attack who outpointed ODLH in 2000, or beat Wilfredo Rivera in a great war back in 1999.

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Go back and watch the winky fights esp the second, Shane was hammering him with hooks around his guard, that's why wink dropped his hands to prove he couldn't be hurt by shane. The second fight was very competitive, very. The mayorga fight, didn't shane win by kayo?

Also both fights were at 154, mayorga was 174 in the ring so shane was basically fighting a LHW and still scored a kayo. Winky was also bigger than shane and eventually went up to 170 for a bhop fight. So the game naturally smaller man lost to winky the guy who whitewashed tito, argubly beat Bhop, and def beat MW champ JT. Point is Shane landed on Winky too and shane at 154 was not prime. Floyd vs Winky at 154 would have yielded the same result, a win for winky over a smaller good man.

Shane KO'd Mayorga with about 3 seconds left in round 12, the bell went and Mayorga couldn't make the count!

Dramatic!

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Originally Posted by piye

Prime Mosley would have done well in that position but is Floyd in his prime? I don't think Prime Floyd gets caught with that shot

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If its prime mosley throwing that punch, it would or will have landed on anybody at some point during the night including prime floyd. Shane was too fast/explosive not to land on even the best defenders at some point during a fight. The only reason I don't consider floyd prime at the higher weights is because he doesn't use his legs as much and prefers to stand his ground. He was hit flush not because of age or diminishing reflexes, but because floyd thought he would catch shane in the middle of a wide overhand, which he did. He just didn't expect it to have little effect. Although it still wasn't flush, neither was the shot Shane landed.

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Shane Mosley couldn't land jack on Winky Wright in 24 rounds, except when Winky Wright stupidly dropped his hands and let Shane Mosley hit him.

But i do agree prime for prime it would be a closer fight, i don't care what anyone says. Shane Mosley showed no stamina at all.

And people are overrating Floyd Mayweather Jr's performance a bit too much.

I mean except for his win over Antonio Margarito, who's not even legit i mean he looked like a pillow puncher in his last fight.

What has Shane Mosley done recently ? he was outboxed by Miguel Cotto although it was close Shane Mosley looked past his best.

He had a good performance against Luis Collazo in 2007, but Luis Collazo broke his left hand in the 2nd round. So thats really in doubt how good Shane Mosley could of done had that not happened. Considering Luis Collazo was landing his left hand up until that point. And then couldn't use it for the rest of the fight.

He struggled badly with Ricardo Mayorga, and looked shot until the last round.

I mean in all honesty i don't think Shane Mosley has looked at his peak since 2001, and his performances since the 1st Vernon Forrest fight have been very shaky, infact i think he's only really had two good performances since 2002, one against a very faded Fernando Vargas, and one against Luis Collazo who broke his hand.

Certainly not the same Shane Mosley, who had great stamina and a two fisted lightning attack who outpointed ODLH in 2000, or beat Wilfredo Rivera in a great war back in 1999.

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Go back and watch the winky fights esp the second, Shane was hammering him with hooks around his guard, that's why wink dropped his hands to prove he couldn't be hurt by shane. The second fight was very competitive, very. The mayorga fight, didn't shane win by kayo?

Also both fights were at 154, mayorga was 174 in the ring so shane was basically fighting a LHW and still scored a kayo. Winky was also bigger than shane and eventually went up to 170 for a bhop fight. So the game naturally smaller man lost to winky the guy who whitewashed tito, argubly beat Bhop, and def beat MW champ JT. Point is Shane landed on Winky too and shane at 154 was not prime. Floyd vs Winky at 154 would have yielded the same result, a win for winky over a smaller good man.

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I don't know why your debating with me to be honest, im agreeing with you that Shane Mosley is past his prime. Yet your trying to defend he isn't im not really sure where your coming from bro.

The 2nd Winky Wright fight wasn't any real different to the 1st fight, except Shane Mosley was more spirited. But points wise it was still a pretty wide loss like 8 rounds to 4.

Ricardo Mayorga was only fighting once a year, and was destroyed by ODLH, i don't think anyone really excepted Shane Mosley to struggle that much i know i sure didn't. His accuracy was a bit all over the place, and he was only fighting in spurts.

Something a prime Shane Mosley never done, and as i said except for the last round it wasn't a good performance and to be honest i thought he looked shot.

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Prime Mosley would have done well in that position but is Floyd in his prime? I don't think Prime Floyd gets caught with that shot

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If its prime mosley throwing that punch, it would or will have landed on anybody at some point during the night including prime floyd. Shane was too fast/explosive not to land on even the best defenders at some point during a fight. The only reason I don't consider floyd prime at the higher weights is because he doesn't use his legs as much and prefers to stand his ground. He was hit flush not because of age or diminishing reflexes, but because floyd thought he would catch shane in the middle of a wide overhand, which he did. He just didn't expect it to have little effect. Although it still wasn't flush, neither was the shot Shane landed.

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Shane Mosley couldn't land jack on Winky Wright in 24 rounds, except when Winky Wright stupidly dropped his hands and let Shane Mosley hit him.

But i do agree prime for prime it would be a closer fight, i don't care what anyone says. Shane Mosley showed no stamina at all.

And people are overrating Floyd Mayweather Jr's performance a bit too much.

I mean except for his win over Antonio Margarito, who's not even legit i mean he looked like a pillow puncher in his last fight.

What has Shane Mosley done recently ? he was outboxed by Miguel Cotto although it was close Shane Mosley looked past his best.

He had a good performance against Luis Collazo in 2007, but Luis Collazo broke his left hand in the 2nd round. So thats really in doubt how good Shane Mosley could of done had that not happened. Considering Luis Collazo was landing his left hand up until that point. And then couldn't use it for the rest of the fight.

He struggled badly with Ricardo Mayorga, and looked shot until the last round.

I mean in all honesty i don't think Shane Mosley has looked at his peak since 2001, and his performances since the 1st Vernon Forrest fight have been very shaky, infact i think he's only really had two good performances since 2002, one against a very faded Fernando Vargas, and one against Luis Collazo who broke his hand.

Certainly not the same Shane Mosley, who had great stamina and a two fisted lightning attack who outpointed ODLH in 2000, or beat Wilfredo Rivera in a great war back in 1999.

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Go back and watch the winky fights esp the second, Shane was hammering him with hooks around his guard, that's why wink dropped his hands to prove he couldn't be hurt by shane. The second fight was very competitive, very. The mayorga fight, didn't shane win by kayo?

Also both fights were at 154, mayorga was 174 in the ring so shane was basically fighting a LHW and still scored a kayo. Winky was also bigger than shane and eventually went up to 170 for a bhop fight. So the game naturally smaller man lost to winky the guy who whitewashed tito, argubly beat Bhop, and def beat MW champ JT. Point is Shane landed on Winky too and shane at 154 was not prime. Floyd vs Winky at 154 would have yielded the same result, a win for winky over a smaller good man.

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I don't know why your debating with me to be honest, im agreeing with you that Shane Mosley is past his prime. Yet your trying to defend he isn't im not really sure where your coming from bro.

The 2nd Winky Wright fight wasn't any real different to the 1st fight, except Shane Mosley was more spirited. But points wise it was still a pretty wide loss like 8 rounds to 4.

Ricardo Mayorga was only fighting once a year, and was destroyed by ODLH, i don't think anyone really excepted Shane Mosley to struggle that much i know i sure didn't. His accuracy was a bit all over the place, and he was only fighting in spurts.

Something a prime Shane Mosley never done, and as i said except for the last round it wasn't a good performance and to be honest i thought he looked shot.

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No, I understand that you were agreeing, just think you were a little harsh on the winky performance saying shane didn't land "JACK SHIT" that's a stretch...and the second fight was 114-114, 115-113, 115-113..very close fight...

As much as I hate and despise him, he's one of the great fighters but to be considered among the elite of the elite in the scale of history and in the pantheon, he needs 2-3 big wins against big names in their primes to raise up his sometimes questionable roster. At the moment, based on the opposition, Pacquiao should be ahead of him in the list of the all time greats imho.

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Prime Mosley would have done well in that position but is Floyd in his prime? I don't think Prime Floyd gets caught with that shot

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If its prime mosley throwing that punch, it would or will have landed on anybody at some point during the night including prime floyd. Shane was too fast/explosive not to land on even the best defenders at some point during a fight. The only reason I don't consider floyd prime at the higher weights is because he doesn't use his legs as much and prefers to stand his ground. He was hit flush not because of age or diminishing reflexes, but because floyd thought he would catch shane in the middle of a wide overhand, which he did. He just didn't expect it to have little effect. Although it still wasn't flush, neither was the shot Shane landed.

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Shane Mosley couldn't land jack on Winky Wright in 24 rounds, except when Winky Wright stupidly dropped his hands and let Shane Mosley hit him.

But i do agree prime for prime it would be a closer fight, i don't care what anyone says. Shane Mosley showed no stamina at all.

And people are overrating Floyd Mayweather Jr's performance a bit too much.

I mean except for his win over Antonio Margarito, who's not even legit i mean he looked like a pillow puncher in his last fight.

What has Shane Mosley done recently ? he was outboxed by Miguel Cotto although it was close Shane Mosley looked past his best.

He had a good performance against Luis Collazo in 2007, but Luis Collazo broke his left hand in the 2nd round. So thats really in doubt how good Shane Mosley could of done had that not happened. Considering Luis Collazo was landing his left hand up until that point. And then couldn't use it for the rest of the fight.

He struggled badly with Ricardo Mayorga, and looked shot until the last round.

I mean in all honesty i don't think Shane Mosley has looked at his peak since 2001, and his performances since the 1st Vernon Forrest fight have been very shaky, infact i think he's only really had two good performances since 2002, one against a very faded Fernando Vargas, and one against Luis Collazo who broke his hand.

Certainly not the same Shane Mosley, who had great stamina and a two fisted lightning attack who outpointed ODLH in 2000, or beat Wilfredo Rivera in a great war back in 1999.

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Go back and watch the winky fights esp the second, Shane was hammering him with hooks around his guard, that's why wink dropped his hands to prove he couldn't be hurt by shane. The second fight was very competitive, very. The mayorga fight, didn't shane win by kayo?

Also both fights were at 154, mayorga was 174 in the ring so shane was basically fighting a LHW and still scored a kayo. Winky was also bigger than shane and eventually went up to 170 for a bhop fight. So the game naturally smaller man lost to winky the guy who whitewashed tito, argubly beat Bhop, and def beat MW champ JT. Point is Shane landed on Winky too and shane at 154 was not prime. Floyd vs Winky at 154 would have yielded the same result, a win for winky over a smaller good man.

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I don't know why your debating with me to be honest, im agreeing with you that Shane Mosley is past his prime. Yet your trying to defend he isn't im not really sure where your coming from bro.

The 2nd Winky Wright fight wasn't any real different to the 1st fight, except Shane Mosley was more spirited. But points wise it was still a pretty wide loss like 8 rounds to 4.

Ricardo Mayorga was only fighting once a year, and was destroyed by ODLH, i don't think anyone really excepted Shane Mosley to struggle that much i know i sure didn't. His accuracy was a bit all over the place, and he was only fighting in spurts.

Something a prime Shane Mosley never done, and as i said except for the last round it wasn't a good performance and to be honest i thought he looked shot.

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No, I understand that you were agreeing, just think you were a little harsh on the winky performance saying shane didn't land "JACK SHIT" that's a stretch...and the second fight was 114-114, 115-113, 115-113..very close fight...

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Well i agree it probably was a bit harsh, and i admit i haven't seen the fight in awhile, but as i remember it Shane Mosley was more spirited. But he was still being frustrated with Winky Wright's jab and tight guard. I don't remember him having much success upstairs, i believe he went to the body more ? but scoring wise i didn't think it was that close, in all honesty i thought Winky Wright was a clear 4 points winner but that's subjective.

If Shane couldn't KO him I don't know who can!

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Mayweather is naturally gifted and he has discipline and there have been others that dominated fighters better than him with speed and power but this is today and I can't stand him but objectively speaking for now only one fighter has a chance and they are really playing hardball with money and drug tests but Floyd is talented, no doubt.

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The Mighty Mike would KO him.

So now it's Chad Dawson the latest to be shown up.

It's a bit sad really, for me you look at the current P4P rankings and their might as well be a chasm seperating Floyd from the rest.

Manny has looked sensational in recent fights, but I can't overlook his KO losses, his defeat to Morales and his rather dubious wins over Marquez.

And no other fighter comes close of course.

For me Floyd is the only fighter who has that 'mystique' of being an invincible fighter, the others are just 'very good'.

Maybe Andre Ward can win the Super Six in style and make a name for himself as a true p4p star. I'm not that excited about any of the others though.....

I haye to admit it (sp and pun intended ;)) but Wlad has that same air of invincibility about him. However he has had it for years and years.

Floyd is an ATG without a doubt, just needs a couple more career defining fights to end his legacy.

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I haye to admit it (sp and pun intended ;)) but Wlad has that same air of invincibility about him. However he has had it for years and years.

Floyd is an ATG without a doubt, just needs a couple more career defining fights to end his legacy.

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He won't be getting one unless he goes to MW, because he's going to kick the shit out of pacman if they fight (pacman who IMO is good but will be severely exposed against floyd)...and floyd waited until all the guys he could have beaten lost to someone else when they were there for him to claim...

Cotto, Maragarito, clottey, Williams, a younger mosley and oscar, KT, Hatton at 140...

I thought he could have been as great as RJJ, but the opponents he left on the table were right in the states and fights could have easily been made...