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Haye's version of why klitschko fight didn't happen
David Haye the pussy needs to stop talking and arrange a fight in my opinion. If he's not going after the best then he may aswell fight a bum like harrison.
YouTube - hayemaker's Channel
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Re: Haye's version of why klitschko fight didn't happen
Haye is on crack. The Klitschkos avoided Ruiz and Valuev ;D He earns more money then the Klitschko's ;D And then of course the fight got cancelled because they were locked into a TV deal.
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Haye running his mouth? I'm shocked and appalled.
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He sounds sad and desperate in all honesty. I mean it started out that he had this viscous bite and had people thinking he would jump to fight the Klitschko's for the bare bones but obviously that's not the case. I SWEAR there was a Haye quote to back this up too but I've never found it. Anyways, he's a sheep in wolf's clothing.
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amat
Haye is on crack. The Klitschkos avoided Ruiz and Valuev ;D He earns more money then the Klitschko's ;D And then of course the fight got cancelled because they were locked into a TV deal.
His last two fights did brilliant PPV numbers (for Britain). He made millions.
It's probably this very reason alone that an immediate fight with a Klit stopped making sense ;)
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LOL you haters are pathetic. The guy is allowed his say.
You can suck the klits bollox and believe absolutely everything they say and rubbish everything Haye says.
Personally. I listen to both sides of the story and MAKE MY OWN MIND UP, cuz I'm not a droid.
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That's fine Fenster. Do you think he makes more money then the Klitschko's? Because that's what he said.
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amat
That's fine Fenster. Do you think he makes more money then the Klitschko's? Because that's what he said.
I don't know what they make. Can you search their last couple of fights for me? Thanks.
Haye made a reported £5million for the Valuev fight.
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Hornfinger
LOL you haters are pathetic. The guy is allowed his say.
You can suck the klits bollox and believe absolutely everything they say and rubbish everything Haye says.
Personally. I listen to both sides of the story and MAKE MY OWN MIND UP, cuz I'm not a droid.
There are 2 subjects where you can not possible be subjective and this is one of them.
So are you satisfied with Haye's run at heavyweight too? Like Haye says he is? Wladimir Klitschko is the only good thing going in this awful, awful division. I think Haye sucks for not making good fights but to be fair, he's not the biggest fraud in the division. That's the older brother Vitali, who's fighting Sosnowski and Briggs makes Haye's resume look like Pacquiao's. I'll give Haye that, but Vitali doesn't have the same bark of Haye so he doesn't get anywhere near the flack he deserves.
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That's fine but he can't dictate terms at the end of the day Klits are the fighters at number 1 and 2 and the they are tied up with RTE, so easy deal 50/50 deal with the fight on RTE, Haye then looses all respect after that after saying him fighting Ruiz and Valuev is more credible than the brothers opponents, also the brothers have ducked Ruiz and Valuev.
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amat
That's fine Fenster. Do you think he makes more money then the Klitschko's? Because that's what he said.
I don't know what they make. Can you search their last couple of fights for me? Thanks.
Haye made a reported £5million for the Valuev fight.
Hahah you ass.
Well all I know is that when Wlad fought Tony Thompson they put them both on speedboats, drove them down a canal to a press conference where they said thousands were waiting. I don't know what he made for that fight but my guess is it was bank, if not Wlad is gettin more pussy just off that stunt alone.
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Haye's a bitch lol, he's actually trying to make his "resume" out to be better than either Klitschko?!? lmao, BITCH ADAMEK HAS A BETTER RESUME THEN YOU DO!!! hahaha fuck giving Pacquiao a drug test, they need to check David Haye for traces of narcotics or at the very least high alcohol count in his blood hahaha
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I'd also like to point out that when Bad Wlad calls out Haye, he does it with a videographer and he is very clear. Haye makes T-Shirts and shoots videos from the passenger seat of a car.
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amat
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Hornfinger
LOL you haters are pathetic. The guy is allowed his say.
You can suck the klits bollox and believe absolutely everything they say and rubbish everything Haye says.
Personally. I listen to both sides of the story and MAKE MY OWN MIND UP, cuz I'm not a droid.
There are 2 subjects where you can not possible be subjective and this is one of them.
So are you satisfied with Haye's run at heavyweight too? Like Haye says he is? Wladimir Klitschko is the only good thing going in this awful, awful division. I think Haye sucks for not making good fights but to be fair, he's not the biggest fraud in the division. That's the older brother Vitali, who's fighting Sosnowski and Briggs makes Haye's resume look like Pacquiao's. I'll give Haye that, but Vitali doesn't have the same bark of Haye so he doesn't get anywhere near the flack he deserves.
I accept what boxing is.
And you lot seem to conveiniently forget this whenever it suits you.
Boxing - two guys in the ring fighting is about 5% of actually what this sport is. The other 95% is people round negotiating tables and public propaganda.
What you have here is too sides telling the public what to believe and then taking sides accordingly. IMO the reality is that the fight wasn't made because of egos on both sides. OR it was decided that putting it off even longer would make for more money all round later on. No one's afraid of anyone however all want to make as much money as they can.
Weather he's done it with his fists or his mouth haye has got himself into a position where he is the biggest draw for the klits and I think he posses the piggest physical threat too.
The way the Heavy's are at the mo IMO you can't slag someone for fighting cack opposition without slagging someone else off for doing the same thing.
If haye was fighting briggs instead of fighting klit there would be uproar. But cuz klit is fighting briggs instead of haye its A OK. See what I'm saying? Probably not.
I'll damn haye and maybe moan about him when he actually announces his fight with audley not before. You see I dislike speculation. I prefer to wait and have facts.
I'll slag haye for not fighting the klits if he retires without fighting them. Not before.
I can be as objective as I like. and I will be.
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Hornfinger
If haye was fighting briggs instead of fighting klit there would be uproar. But cuz klit is fighting briggs instead of haye its A OK. See what I'm saying? Probably not.
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Obviously you enjoy talking to yourself. Like 75% of my post was about my venom towards Vitali fighting Briggs and Sosnowski. Can you read?
Anyways it's kind of stupid anyways because it's doubtful that professional fighters are scared of each other but Haye is the one with the mouth. Also he hasn't announced the Audley fight yet, he's not only fighting worse opponents then Wlad but he's also fighting less frequently. Awesome.
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amat
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Hornfinger
If haye was fighting briggs instead of fighting klit there would be uproar. But cuz klit is fighting briggs instead of haye its A OK. See what I'm saying? Probably not.
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Obviously you enjoy talking to yourself. Like 75% of my post was about my venom towards Vitali fighting Briggs and Sosnowski. Can you read?
Anyways it's kind of stupid anyways because it's doubtful that professional fighters are scared of each other but Haye is the one with the mouth. Also he hasn't announced the Audley fight yet, he's not only fighting worse opponents then Wlad but he's also fighting less frequently. Awesome.
Obviously your not used to people agreeing with you because of the amount of shit you usually spout. tit
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Hornfinger
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amat
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Hornfinger
LOL you haters are pathetic. The guy is allowed his say.
You can suck the klits bollox and believe absolutely everything they say and rubbish everything Haye says.
Personally. I listen to both sides of the story and MAKE MY OWN MIND UP, cuz I'm not a droid.
There are 2 subjects where you can not possible be subjective and this is one of them.
So are you satisfied with Haye's run at heavyweight too? Like Haye says he is? Wladimir Klitschko is the only good thing going in this awful, awful division. I think Haye sucks for not making good fights but to be fair, he's not the biggest fraud in the division. That's the older brother Vitali, who's fighting Sosnowski and Briggs makes Haye's resume look like Pacquiao's. I'll give Haye that, but Vitali doesn't have the same bark of Haye so he doesn't get anywhere near the flack he deserves.
I accept what boxing is.
And you lot seem to conveiniently forget this whenever it suits you.
Boxing - two guys in the ring fighting is about 5% of actually what this sport is. The other 95% is people round negotiating tables and public propaganda.
What you have here is too sides telling the public what to believe and then taking sides accordingly. IMO the reality is that the fight wasn't made because of egos on both sides. OR it was decided that putting it off even longer would make for more money all round later on. No one's afraid of anyone however all want to make as much money as they can.
Weather he's done it with his fists or his mouth haye has got himself into a position where he is the biggest draw for the klits and I think he posses the piggest physical threat too.
The way the Heavy's are at the mo IMO you can't slag someone for fighting cack opposition without slagging someone else off for doing the same thing.
If haye was fighting briggs instead of fighting klit there would be uproar. But cuz klit is fighting briggs instead of haye its A OK. See what I'm saying? Probably not.
I'll damn haye and maybe moan about him when he actually announces his fight with audley not before. You see I dislike speculation. I prefer to wait and have facts.
I'll slag haye for not fighting the klits if he retires without fighting them. Not before.
I can be as objective as I like. and I will be.
I agree with this. The fight with either Wlad or Vitali (or both) will happen. For now, we have to put up with posturing. Haye's realised he can make millions fighting bums. Klitschko's already knew they could. Either fighter is capable of ending the other fighter's career, so it makes sense for both fighters to line their pockets before a possible final pay day. Both Klitschko's have cashed in on fighting guys who were no threat to them...or at least shouldn't have been. Haye wants a piece of that action, and fighting Ruiz and then Audley proves that.
That's what Boxing is. Least risk - most reward for the majority of the fighters out there. There's very few, if any throwbacks out there who will oblige all the hardcores by taking on the riskiest fight for the least amount of money.
And every single person on here would do the same. I don't know why i've quoted you. You already understand, but your post was the best platform for me to say my bit. ;D
Good post.
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I've already said what I think of Haye and his reluctance of fighting any Klit.
BTW, I also found it funny that the same people blasting Pacquiao for not making the fight with Mayweather are the same ones vigorously defending Haye not to make a fight with the Klits coming up with every excuse in the book.
Carry on.
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Agree with Hornfinger, boxers spend far more time hyping and promoting than they do fighting.
Rightly or wrongly, boxing is mostly about how much money you make, rather than who you fought. That's why this greed drives more money into the sport and fighters crave that more than the titles. Sad, but true.
We all know Haye should be offering to do this fight for free, I bet he even knows it, but all I translated from that was that money was more important to everyone than the fight itself. Apart from of course us the fans as we don't give a shit if Haye makes £5m or £6m, to us we just want the fights.
I can see exactly why he's doing this, I really can. That's why I don't think he's the biggest cunt in the world for dragging this all out, I can see the business sense in it. He just took the piss with the hardcore fans who he'd trash talked to and told lies to. The general public won't know or care of half of these videos.
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generalbulldog
I've already said what I think of Haye and his reluctance of fighting any Klit.
BTW, I also found it funny that the same people blasting Pacquiao for not making the fight with Mayweather are the same ones vigorously defending Haye not to make a fight with the Klits coming up with every excuse in the book.
Carry on.
I blasted pac for ducking a drug test. To my knowledge haye has not point blank been offered a drug test and refused. if he did do that you can bet your ass I'd be giving him as much shit.
I don't defend haye because as far as I'm concerned there is nothing to defend (at this moment in time).
But as I've always said you can't slam a fighter for fighting substandard opposition and then cheer on a guy who does exactly the same thing.
My point is there is no good guy and bad guy here.
Although that said marketing haye as the loud mouth bad guy and the klits as good guys is going to be good for business all round.
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Yes I get that boxers are about making money, that's a GOOD thing. However, when you talk an extraordinary amount of trash, say you're coming to the division and not even going to fuck around with the other contenders and then say you're happy with your resume of Barret, Valuev and Ruiz then you will be criticized. Just because he is out to make money doesn't make him immune to criticism, and we are only holding him to the standard that he promised us.
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amat
Yes I get that boxers are about making money, that's a GOOD thing. However, when you talk an extraordinary amount of trash, say you're coming to the division and not even going to fuck around with the other contenders and then say you're happy with your resume of Barret, Valuev and Ruiz then you will be criticized. Just because he is out to make money doesn't make him immune to criticism, and we are only holding him to the standard that he promised us.
Barret, ruiz and valuev ain't great. but really who else is there?
peter, arreola, briggs, tua, sosnowski, johnson, chagaev, povetkin, chambers, meehan.....
It's all much of a muchness. they're all fat and they're all cack
IMO there are four fighters at heavyweight, Haye, Ademek and the klits. If they ain't fighting each other they're fighting substandard oppo.
That is how I see it.
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amat
Yes I get that boxers are about making money, that's a GOOD thing. However, when you talk an extraordinary amount of trash, say you're coming to the division and not even going to fuck around with the other contenders and then say you're happy with your resume of Barret, Valuev and Ruiz then you will be criticized. Just because he is out to make money doesn't make him immune to criticism, and we are only holding him to the standard that he promised us.
It's a game. Without publicly chasing the Klitschko's, Haye wouldn't be the name on everyone's lips. He's creating publicity for himself and in doing so he's securing his financial future, and the more he wins and sells out arena's at heavyweight, the bigger say he'll have in contract negotiations with the Klitschko's. I understand the criticism, but people have to realise what he is doing, and they have to understand he was always going to do this.
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Hornfinger
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generalbulldog
I've already said what I think of Haye and his reluctance of fighting any Klit.
BTW, I also found it funny that the same people blasting Pacquiao for not making the fight with Mayweather are the same ones vigorously defending Haye not to make a fight with the Klits coming up with every excuse in the book.
Carry on.
I blasted pac for ducking a drug test. To my knowledge haye has not point blank been offered a drug test and refused. if he did do that you can bet your ass I'd be giving him as much shit.
I don't defend haye because as far as I'm concerned there is nothing to defend (at this moment in time).
But as I've always said you can't slam a fighter for fighting substandard opposition and then cheer on a guy who does exactly the same thing.
My point is there is no good guy and bad guy here.
Although that said marketing haye as the loud mouth bad guy and the klits as good guys is going to be good for business all round.
Now you're just dwelling on the semantics when you're mentioning the tests. Pacquiao was 1 guy you've criticized for not fighting Mayweather and another is Amir Khan. Yet on the other hand you've defended Haye tooth and nail for pulling this stunt. Didn't you call Khan a fraud and coward for not fighting the best 140 pound fighters? But on the other hand you're the first guy to step into these kinds of threads to defend Haye for not fighting the Klits.
How about a little bit more consistency? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
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I do wonder when he'll spout off something like "Having the WBA title is great, but I feel in order to be a true champion I need the British title"...probably after beating Audley I reckon. So then that would make his next 2 fights Audley Harrison and Derek Chisoria...maybe Tyson Fury will be ready after the Chisoria fight....it's saddly VERY realistic ;)
Yes Chicken Little LOOK AT WHO WLAD HAS FOUGHT they are all 10 times better than anyone you've set foot in the ring with! Ruiz and Valuev weren't in the mix because they were hiding behind Don King and the WBA's skirt.....JUST LIKE YOU ARE! What a cocksucking yellow bellied coward of a b*tch you are.....hell at this point I'd call him that to his face because lord knows he wouldn't do anything but talk or his back would suddenly go out.....I told you guys he had no stones, I hate it's come to this for all of you to believe me but fucking hell, he's still acting like beating poor old Enzo Maccarenelli is something to be proud of.
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generalbulldog
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Hornfinger
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generalbulldog
I've already said what I think of Haye and his reluctance of fighting any Klit.
BTW, I also found it funny that the same people blasting Pacquiao for not making the fight with Mayweather are the same ones vigorously defending Haye not to make a fight with the Klits coming up with every excuse in the book.
Carry on.
I blasted pac for ducking a drug test. To my knowledge haye has not point blank been offered a drug test and refused. if he did do that you can bet your ass I'd be giving him as much shit.
I don't defend haye because as far as I'm concerned there is nothing to defend (at this moment in time).
But as I've always said you can't slam a fighter for fighting substandard opposition and then cheer on a guy who does exactly the same thing.
My point is there is no good guy and bad guy here.
Although that said marketing haye as the loud mouth bad guy and the klits as good guys is going to be good for business all round.
Now you're just dwelling on the semantics when you're mentioning the tests. Pacquiao was 1 guy you've criticized for not fighting Mayweather and another is Amir Khan. Yet on the other hand you've defended Haye tooth and nail for pulling this stunt. Didn't you call Khan a fraud and coward for not fighting the best 140 pound fighters? But on the other hand you're the first guy to step into these kinds of threads to defend Haye for not fighting the Klits.
How about a little bit more consistency? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
No I've not defended haye. I just haven't lambasted him.
And it's not semantics at all. theres a whole world of difference between
'i'll fight you if/when the money is right'
and
'i'll only fight you if I don't have to have a steroid test so I can carry on cheating'
Haye's never turned down the klit fight because he wasn't allowed an nfair advantage in the ring.
The only common ground here is one of the fighters in question wasn't allowed by his opponant to have an unfair advantage in the ring or round the negotiating table. And you're pissed about that!?
I'm for an even playing field and a fair transparent sport. Obviously these are things that you find distastful. I don't think that's something to be proud of.
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Yes I did. Like I said earlier theres no difference between fighting valuev, ruiz and barrett and fighting peter, arreola, briggs, tua, sosnowski, johnson, chagaev, povetkin, chambers, meehan or any other bum.
Haye didn't get KO'ed avoid a rematch and instead fight some bum for a title and instead of taking legit opposition or giving a rematch to his conquorer he looked for the easiest fights possible against non punchers.
Haye beat the legit WBA champ and then went to the negotiating table with the Klits. In my view thats a big difference. But you're going to ignore that.
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Let's go step by step here and just explain to me where I get this wrong
1. Chicken Little calls out Wladimir IN PUBLIC 2008
2. Wladimir says "let's fight" and gives Chicken Little a contract
3. Chicken Little SIGNS the contract
4. Setanta goes bankrupt/The back "injury" and Chicken Little pulls out of the fight
5. Vitali offers the VERY SAME contract to Chicken Little (Fall of 2009)
6. Chicken Little declares the rematch clauses rediculous and fights Valuev
7. Wladimir calls out Chicken Little and offers a 50/50 contract (and just for the benefit of the doubt Hornfinger I'll use a qualifier) or closer to 50/50 with NO rematch clauses (2010)
8. Chicken Little is now more than likely going to fight Audley Harrison instead.
So please explain to me how you can not take several digs at Chicken Little for his actions in trying to make this fight happen. For a guy who plans to retire in about a year (2 tops) he has no sense of urgency in making this fight a reality.
Face the facts Chicken Little doesn't want the fight.
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El Kabong
Let's go step by step here and just explain to me where I get this wrong
1. Chicken Little calls out Wladimir IN PUBLIC 2008
2. Wladimir says "let's fight" and gives Chicken Little a contract
3. Chicken Little SIGNS the contract
4. Setanta goes bankrupt/The back "injury" and Chicken Little pulls out of the fight
5. Vitali offers the VERY SAME contract to Chicken Little (Fall of 2009)
6. Chicken Little declares the rematch clauses rediculous and fights Valuev
7. Wladimir calls out Chicken Little and offers a 50/50 contract (and just for the benefit of the doubt Hornfinger I'll use a qualifier) or closer to 50/50 with NO rematch clauses (2010)
8. Chicken Little is now more than likely going to fight Audley Harrison instead.
So please explain to me how you can not take several digs at Chicken Little for his actions in trying to make this fight happen. For a guy who plans to retire in about a year (2 tops) he has no sense of urgency in making this fight a reality.
Face the facts Chicken Little doesn't want the fight.
Of course he does. 2 more years equals probably 4 fights. Surely you should judge him after those 2 years have elapsed...
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....I just checked the Chicken Little facebook page, his "fans" aren't taking kindly to the reality of an Audley Harrison fight and even they have called the dude out for being a coward and not fighting Wladimir.
But of course there are still the diehards out there saying stuff like "Those Klitschko's just won't come to terms" and "Well he's only had a couple heavyweight fights, he needs a few more to prepare for the Klitschkos"....I think the guy is just full of shit I mean he doesn't want either Klitschko brother AND he and his trainer are already ducking Ruslan Chagaev due to the whole hepatitus issue (the same Ruslan Chagaev that Wlad fought and dominated on short notice and despite Ruslan having hepatitus).
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El Kabong
Let's go step by step here and just explain to me where I get this wrong
1. Chicken Little calls out Wladimir IN PUBLIC 2008
2. Wladimir says "let's fight" and gives Chicken Little a contract
3. Chicken Little SIGNS the contract
4. Setanta goes bankrupt/The back "injury" and Chicken Little pulls out of the fight
5. Vitali offers the VERY SAME contract to Chicken Little (Fall of 2009)
6. Chicken Little declares the rematch clauses rediculous and fights Valuev
7. Wladimir calls out Chicken Little and offers a 50/50 contract (and just for the benefit of the doubt Hornfinger I'll use a qualifier) or closer to 50/50 with NO rematch clauses (2010)
8. Chicken Little is now more than likely going to fight Audley Harrison instead.
So please explain to me how you can not take several digs at Chicken Little for his actions in trying to make this fight happen. For a guy who plans to retire in about a year (2 tops) he has no sense of urgency in making this fight a reality.
Face the facts Chicken Little doesn't want the fight.
Of course he does. 2 more years equals probably 4 fights. Surely you should judge him after those 2 years have elapsed...
#1 For Chicken Little 2 years equals 2 fights
#2 Chicken Little and his manager Henny Penny are already discussing ducking Ruslan Chagaev so I doubt he's aiming for a fight with either Klitschko.
I'll judge him RIGHT FUCKING NOW because it's been 2 years since he first called Wlad out and what's happened? Has the fight gotten closer to happening? Has Chicken Little grown a pair yet? NO he's still a little b*tch and even his (now former) fans are calling him out for it and rightfully so, they should be outraged.
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speculate speculate speculate.
i'll just wait and see what happens thanks very much.
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Hornfinger
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generalbulldog
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Hornfinger
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generalbulldog
I've already said what I think of Haye and his reluctance of fighting any Klit.
BTW, I also found it funny that the same people blasting Pacquiao for not making the fight with Mayweather are the same ones vigorously defending Haye not to make a fight with the Klits coming up with every excuse in the book.
Carry on.
I blasted pac for ducking a drug test. To my knowledge haye has not point blank been offered a drug test and refused. if he did do that you can bet your ass I'd be giving him as much shit.
I don't defend haye because as far as I'm concerned there is nothing to defend (at this moment in time).
But as I've always said you can't slam a fighter for fighting substandard opposition and then cheer on a guy who does exactly the same thing.
My point is there is no good guy and bad guy here.
Although that said marketing haye as the loud mouth bad guy and the klits as good guys is going to be good for business all round.
Now you're just dwelling on the semantics when you're mentioning the tests. Pacquiao was 1 guy you've criticized for not fighting Mayweather and another is Amir Khan. Yet on the other hand you've defended Haye tooth and nail for pulling this stunt. Didn't you call Khan a fraud and coward for not fighting the best 140 pound fighters? But on the other hand you're the first guy to step into these kinds of threads to defend Haye for not fighting the Klits.
How about a little bit more consistency? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
No I've not defended haye. I just haven't lambasted him.
And it's not semantics at all. theres a whole world of difference between
'i'll fight you if/when the money is right'
and
'i'll only fight you if I don't have to have a steroid test so I can carry on cheating'
Haye's never turned down the klit fight because he wasn't allowed an nfair advantage in the ring.
The only common ground here is one of the fighters in question wasn't allowed by his opponant to have an unfair advantage in the ring or round the negotiating table. And you're pissed about that!?
I'm for an even playing field and a fair transparent sport. Obviously these are things that you find distastful. I don't think that's something to be proud of.
KHAN ISSUE
Yes I did. Like I said earlier theres no difference between fighting valuev, ruiz and barrett and fighting peter, arreola, briggs, tua, sosnowski, johnson, chagaev, povetkin, chambers, meehan or any other bum.
Haye didn't get KO'ed avoid a rematch and instead fight some bum for a title and instead of taking legit opposition or giving a rematch to his conquorer he looked for the easiest fights possible against non punchers.
Haye beat the legit WBA champ and then went to the negotiating table with the Klits. In my view thats a big difference. But you're going to ignore that.
From media reports Pacquiao has accepted the Mayweather deal even supposedly up to the day of the fight on drug tests, so it's a moot point to say he doesn't want to get tested. And by the way it's a straw man argument to say I condone drug cheating in boxing.
On Khan, you can't talk shit on fighters not fighting the best and then defend Haye for doing the same thing. Sure Khan didn't rematch the guy who ko him but neither has Haye. Like I've said, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Haye is doing the same shit that Khan has, you know avoiding the top guys of his division that can beat him and taking gimme fights.
And Haye, he talked shit constantly about the Klits for 2 years. It's time to step up already.
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speculate speculate speculate.
i'll just wait and see what happens thanks very much.
Yeah you'll be doing a lot of waiting ;D....it's not speculation, Chicken Little called Wlad out before he even got into the freaking division...you just can't (unless you're Charlie Zelenoff) talk that type of shit and then decline to fight when offered a chance....that is utter bullcrap.
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The thing that bugs me most about Haye is him trying to build up his resume at HW. He fought a journeyman in Barrett, the weakest of the belt holders in Valuev (a guy even an ancient Holyfield did better against), then fought a Ruiz who is ancient and was never particularly good anyway. And now Audley Harrison? Sorry, but Haye is a joke if he wants to talk about his resume in a superior kind of way. It's an average HW resume and there are a dozen better fights to be made than Harrison.
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He's talking drivel like most of the time, but heck the public won't really know the difference and for all they know valuev and ruiz were killer beasts in the ring who would have decapitated a prime tyson. Haye is a lot of talk with little substance.
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I had to stop at the point where he invoked Ruiz as validation :lolhaha: Literally spooked the dog I laughed so loud . I'm thinking he was out having some drinks,had a discussion and heard some critacism...then popped in the suv and did some damage control as he knows the announcement of next opponent will draw some " :tumbleweed: " What a flipping daytime diva he is. In no position to make demands on established champions....put your pomp-pride in your pocket...secure the fight...shut mouth then throw fists...prove your point. Done!
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I had to stop at the point where he invoked Ruiz as validation :lolhaha: Literally spooked the dog I laughed so loud . I'm thinking he was out having some drinks,had a discussion and heard some critacism...then popped in the suv and did some damage control as he knows the announcement of next opponent will draw some " :tumbleweed: " What a flipping daytime diva he is. In no position to make demands on established champions....put your pomp-pride in your pocket...secure the fight...shut mouth then throw fists...prove your point. Done!
If only boxing was that simple
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Re: Haye's version of why klitschko fight didn't happen
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Yes I get that boxers are about making money, that's a GOOD thing. However, when you talk an extraordinary amount of trash, say you're coming to the division and not even going to fuck around with the other contenders and then say you're happy with your resume of Barret, Valuev and Ruiz then you will be criticized. Just because he is out to make money doesn't make him immune to criticism, and we are only holding him to the standard that he promised us.
It's a game. Without publicly chasing the Klitschko's, Haye wouldn't be the name on everyone's lips. He's creating publicity for himself and in doing so he's securing his financial future, and the more he wins and sells out arena's at heavyweight, the bigger say he'll have in contract negotiations with the Klitschko's. I understand the criticism, but people have to realise what he is doing, and they have to understand he was always going to do this.
I realize what he's doing but because of this I will be criticizing him. Fair enoough right?
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Holyfield has called Haye out. I think he might just accept if Evander cancels his fight in November. I know this is still not an acceptable fight as Evander is way too old and should have retired after the Lewis fights IMO, but it is certainly better than Haye vs Harrison, and of all the jokes that make up the American HW scene Evander is by far in the best shape. Problem is Haye might just get more credit than he deserves if he fights and beats Evander, as it is a name that everyone in the world knows and although everyone knows he is very old, the everyday man in the street would find this fight easier to relate to due to the glory days of Holyfield being the last time boxing was truly great.
HOLYFIELD WANTS HIS DAY WITH HAYE - mirror.co.uk
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amat
Yes I get that boxers are about making money, that's a GOOD thing. However, when you talk an extraordinary amount of trash, say you're coming to the division and not even going to fuck around with the other contenders and then say you're happy with your resume of Barret, Valuev and Ruiz then you will be criticized. Just because he is out to make money doesn't make him immune to criticism, and we are only holding him to the standard that he promised us.
It's a game. Without publicly chasing the Klitschko's, Haye wouldn't be the name on everyone's lips. He's creating publicity for himself and in doing so he's securing his financial future, and the more he wins and sells out arena's at heavyweight, the bigger say he'll have in contract negotiations with the Klitschko's. I understand the criticism, but people have to realise what he is doing, and they have to understand he was always going to do this.
I realize what he's doing but because of this I will be criticizing him. Fair enoough right?
Yeah it's fair enough to offer criticism, but some people are going way over the top with it.