Saul Alvarez

Yeah, Saul Canelo Alvarez, his nickname Canelo means Cinnamon cause the dude's got red hair.
He's fighting Carlos Baldomir on the undercard to Mosely/Mora.

http://i53.tinypic.com/9rj29z.jpg

Fantastic technique and fundamentals, textbook stuff; he's been taught well.
Very aggressive but with composure and defense, very skillful slips with fast powerful counters with either hand.
Feints, flurries, combination punching. Jabs, hooks, uppercuts, straight rights, right crosses, upstairs, downstairs.
Patient, disciplined, always on-balance and in position to punch. Pressure, conditioning, strong like bull.

Methodically takes a man apart. Very professional looking jobs here.
At only 20 years old, the 5'9" Alvarez fights like a seasoned pro because he is a seasoned pro having turned pro at 15 years old.
You're seeing veteran tricks out of this kid.
Guy can fight at 147 or 154.
33 wins (25 KOs), no losses, 1 draw.


vs Brian Camechis (31 years old, 19 wins, 2 losses at the time)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb4bzGCUU90


vs Luciano Leonel Cuello (26 years old, 26 wins, 1 loss at the time)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07Qp2oxnhow


On the Mosley/Mora undercard this Saturday night, Saul Alvarez sure ain't gonna f*<k around for 12 rds with Carlos Baldomir to earn a decision; I think the durable Baldomir is gettin' stopped inside 8 rds by this 20 year old kid with Baldomir taking a helluva beating.
It's a good matchup as Alvarez' level of competition increases.
There's always the chance an old durable tough vet can take a young fella into deep waters and drown him, but Baldomir is not the man for the job.

At only 20 years old, I really hope this talented dude doesn't fall into the "too much too soon" category and have the resulting troubles: I really hope not.

They ought to try to get him in there with Clottey in the next year or two. That'd be a good name on his ledger.


The class difference in some guys just jumps out at you.

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I'm high on Alvarez as well, but I'm not so sure he'll stop Baldomir. His composure is not always the best he can be drawn into making mistakes, but his youth and his chin will help him through the day. Although I can't foresee any problems for Canelo in this fight, I still have some questions over his defensive prowess. And Baldomir if nothing else brings durability he can take a lot of punishment and still maintain into the final stanza.

Bottom line for me is he comes to fight and entertain and in that regard he'll never disappoint.

I thought Baldomir was in an old folks home in Argentina?

Greg you also say his chin will get him through, his chin got clocked by Cotto's tiny big bro, I am not sold on his chin one bit to be honest.

He will beat Baldomir because Baldomir is to old now and the last time I checked he couldn't make 147? So maybe after this fight he needs to step it up against a Quintana or Collazo type level fighter.

Edit that this fight is at 154, so fair enough step in the right direction. Wins this fight with Collazo at 154 would be a top fight to make.

I'm not sold on Alvarez at all really. He's exciting and what he has accomplished is impressive given his age, but his defense is lacking and I really think he'll fall short at the upper levels unless he seriously refines his game.

#1 He's a "Day Walker"...neither pro nor con, just a fact

#2 I like the way the guy fights, but I don't think is power is where HE thinks it is.

#3 He's better than JC Jr., has a better resume as well, so pros for actually testing himself a bit

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Originally Posted by skel1983

I thought Baldomir was in an old folks home in Argentina?

Greg you also say his chin will get him through, his chin got clocked by Cotto's tiny big bro, I am not sold on his chin one bit to be honest.

He will beat Baldomir because Baldomir is to old now and the last time I checked he couldn't make 147? So maybe after this fight he needs to step it up against a Quintana or Collazo type level fighter.

Edit that this fight is at 154, so fair enough step in the right direction. Wins this fight with Collazo at 154 would be a top fight to make.

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What happened from there? He recovered quickly and came back strong. To be fair Cotto may be small, but he hits harder than Baldomacarena.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

I thought Baldomir was in an old folks home in Argentina?

Greg you also say his chin will get him through, his chin got clocked by Cotto's tiny big bro, I am not sold on his chin one bit to be honest.

He will beat Baldomir because Baldomir is to old now and the last time I checked he couldn't make 147? So maybe after this fight he needs to step it up against a Quintana or Collazo type level fighter.

Edit that this fight is at 154, so fair enough step in the right direction. Wins this fight with Collazo at 154 would be a top fight to make.

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What happened from there? He recovered quickly and came back strong. To be fair Cotto may be small, but he hits harder than Baldomacarena.

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What happened there was he was in trouble against a lightweight, his chin looks anything but solid to me.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

I thought Baldomir was in an old folks home in Argentina?

Greg you also say his chin will get him through, his chin got clocked by Cotto's tiny big bro, I am not sold on his chin one bit to be honest.

He will beat Baldomir because Baldomir is to old now and the last time I checked he couldn't make 147? So maybe after this fight he needs to step it up against a Quintana or Collazo type level fighter.

Edit that this fight is at 154, so fair enough step in the right direction. Wins this fight with Collazo at 154 would be a top fight to make.

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What happened from there? He recovered quickly and came back strong. To be fair Cotto may be small, but he hits harder than Baldomacarena.

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To be honest i know Jose Cotto's KO record is better than average, but from what i've seen of him. He throws alot of punches but he doesn't hit that hard, in his war vs Juan Diaz he showed good workrate but not alot of power.

And as other's have said he's a former Lightweight, that was his first time fighting at Welterweight i believe. And he's a small Welterweight at that, so that is worrying for Saul Alvarez.

IMO Saul Alvarez is a goodish fighter at best, he's a decent all round boxer. But nothing stands out about him, but he could get better being only 20 years old. So maybe im being a bit harsh on him.

But we'll see what the future holds for him, Carlos Baldomir is a decent step up. He's pretty tough guy who's physically strong. But the smart money says Saul Alvarez will be technically too good, and be too youthful for the slower/older Carlos Baldomir. And he should win a clear 12 UD, in a competitive/exciting fight.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

I thought Baldomir was in an old folks home in Argentina?

Greg you also say his chin will get him through, his chin got clocked by Cotto's tiny big bro, I am not sold on his chin one bit to be honest.

He will beat Baldomir because Baldomir is to old now and the last time I checked he couldn't make 147? So maybe after this fight he needs to step it up against a Quintana or Collazo type level fighter.

Edit that this fight is at 154, so fair enough step in the right direction. Wins this fight with Collazo at 154 would be a top fight to make.

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What happened from there? He recovered quickly and came back strong. To be fair Cotto may be small, but he hits harder than Baldomacarena.

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What happened there was he was in trouble against a lightweight, his chin looks anything but solid to me.

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So you're saying his chin won't hold up to Baldomir's shots?

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Originally Posted by skel1983

I thought Baldomir was in an old folks home in Argentina?

Greg you also say his chin will get him through, his chin got clocked by Cotto's tiny big bro, I am not sold on his chin one bit to be honest.

He will beat Baldomir because Baldomir is to old now and the last time I checked he couldn't make 147? So maybe after this fight he needs to step it up against a Quintana or Collazo type level fighter.

Edit that this fight is at 154, so fair enough step in the right direction. Wins this fight with Collazo at 154 would be a top fight to make.

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What happened from there? He recovered quickly and came back strong. To be fair Cotto may be small, but he hits harder than Baldomacarena.

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What happened there was he was in trouble against a lightweight, his chin looks anything but solid to me.

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So you're saying his chin won't hold up to Baldomir's shots?

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No not at all, just the way you said his chin will see him through, I don't think his chin will get him through his youth pressure and output will. His chin will be no bearing against an old man like Baldomir who has not got heavy hands.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

I thought Baldomir was in an old folks home in Argentina?

Greg you also say his chin will get him through, his chin got clocked by Cotto's tiny big bro, I am not sold on his chin one bit to be honest.

He will beat Baldomir because Baldomir is to old now and the last time I checked he couldn't make 147? So maybe after this fight he needs to step it up against a Quintana or Collazo type level fighter.

Edit that this fight is at 154, so fair enough step in the right direction. Wins this fight with Collazo at 154 would be a top fight to make.

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What happened from there? He recovered quickly and came back strong. To be fair Cotto may be small, but he hits harder than Baldomacarena.

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What happened there was he was in trouble against a lightweight, his chin looks anything but solid to me.

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So you're saying his chin won't hold up to Baldomir's shots?

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No not at all, just the way you said his chin will see him through, I don't think his chin will get him through his youth pressure and output will. His chin will be no bearing against an old man like Baldomir who has not got heavy hands.

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But Alvarez is going to get hit, he always does, because his defense is horrible. You make it sound like he's got a glass jaw.

Alvarez' defense isn't horrible, you're on drugs !


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Alvarez' defense isn't horrible, you're on drugs !


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You're kidding right?

Alright....


....the kid's defense could be tightened up just a bit...



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there are many things to like about "canelo" alvarez. right now he's a super prospect but like all prospects, he still has many questions to answer which will be answered in the next couple of years. right now, he is mexico's number one boxing attraction, with apologies to marquez and all the other great fighters mexico currently has. like some boxing comentators said, he doesn't have the fastest hands, the best defense, the most power, the best techniques, but he does everything extremely well. but i think what sets canelo apart is his star appeal. just like de la hoya, who wasn't the best fighter in his prime (but a very good one), canelo brings star attraction to the boxing masses in mexico and to mexican-americans in the u.s..
i think the kid's going to get much better and time will tell whether he will be a great champion or just a good fighter, but the truth is this, nobody can deny his superstar appeal because he definitely has that.

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not sure whether it was through baldomir blowing out of steam early doors or alvarez just having unique punch power. But that was some KO


Boxingscene reporting that alvarez-hatton could well take place as early as december....DONT DO IT MATTY

another good experience fight for canelo.

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WOW

not sure whether it was through baldomir blowing out of steam early doors or alvarez just having unique punch power. But that was some KO


Boxingscene reporting that alvarez-hatton could well take place as early as december....DONT DO IT MATTY

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I agree. Great fight for Saul in that he'll gain some exposure to fans outside of Mexico and score a reasonable pay day. Bad fight for Hatton. On the other hand, Hatton has looked better in recent fights. Hasn't he?

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another good experience fight for canelo.

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Agreed. Although he was the favorite going into it, he passed the test with flying colors. Baldomir said he's never been hit like that before, which is saying something. Keep Alvarez away from movers and big punchers. Other than Hatton, what's another good opponent for him at this stage?

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WOW

not sure whether it was through baldomir blowing out of steam early doors or alvarez just having unique punch power. But that was some KO


Boxingscene reporting that alvarez-hatton could well take place as early as december....DONT DO IT MATTY

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I agree. Great fight for Saul in that he'll gain some exposure to fans outside of Mexico and score a reasonable pay day. Bad fight for Hatton.

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another good experience fight for canelo.

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Agreed. Although he was the favorite going into it, he passed the test with flying colors. Baldomir said he's never been hit like that before, which is saying something. Keep Alvarez away from movers and big punchers. Other than Hatton, what's another good opponent for him at this stage?

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a fight at 147 against someone like Lujan, Karass, Abregu, or Alfonso Gomez would be interesting

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WOW

not sure whether it was through baldomir blowing out of steam early doors or alvarez just having unique punch power. But that was some KO


Boxingscene reporting that alvarez-hatton could well take place as early as december....DONT DO IT MATTY

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I agree. Great fight for Saul in that he'll gain some exposure to fans outside of Mexico and score a reasonable pay day. Bad fight for Hatton.

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Originally Posted by milmascaras1

another good experience fight for canelo.

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Agreed. Although he was the favorite going into it, he passed the test with flying colors. Baldomir said he's never been hit like that before, which is saying something. Keep Alvarez away from movers and big punchers. Other than Hatton, what's another good opponent for him at this stage?

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he`d have hatton out of there within 6 long gruleing rounds

just carry on with what he is doing in the states right now staying on the big bills against 3rd/4th tier opponents.

No need whatsoever to do anything silly just yet

a fight with either abregu, lujan, karass or gomez would be very interesting.

vs. abregu - i see this as a total war. what abregu lacks in boxing skills he more than makes up in grit and power. the guy is one tough sob. not to mention that he also punches hard. very difficult but winnable fight for canelo. could go either way.

vs. lujan - another very tough argentine! a few years ago lujan would have been a serious danger for canelo but i think he's lost something. still, very tough and physical fight for the youngster, canelo. slight edge to canelo.

vs. jesus soto karass - i think this guy is the weakest of the four possible canelo opponents. i see canelo giving him a boxing lesson then ko'ing him late.

vs. gomez - gomez may not have the power to hurt canelo but he can frustrate him because of his improved solid skills and solid chin. still, if canelo is right, he should beat gomez because of gomez' lack of ko power.

conclusion - i think abregu would be the tougher opponent for canelo out of the four. lujan the most physical and gomez the most technical.

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WOW

not sure whether it was through baldomir blowing out of steam early doors or alvarez just having unique punch power. But that was some KO


Boxingscene reporting that alvarez-hatton could well take place as early as december....DONT DO IT MATTY

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I agree. Great fight for Saul in that he'll gain some exposure to fans outside of Mexico and score a reasonable pay day. Bad fight for Hatton.

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Originally Posted by milmascaras1

another good experience fight for canelo.

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Agreed. Although he was the favorite going into it, he passed the test with flying colors. Baldomir said he's never been hit like that before, which is saying something. Keep Alvarez away from movers and big punchers. Other than Hatton, what's another good opponent for him at this stage?

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he`d have hatton out of there within 6 long gruleing rounds

just carry on with what he is doing in the states right now staying on the big bills against 3rd/4th tier opponents.

No need whatsoever to do anything silly just yet

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He would have Hatton out of there in 3 short swift rounds. ;)

This kid may look like some giant Howdy Doody puppet with a violent streak or Ralph mouth but he is going to be explosive as long as he lasts . Enjoy the ride!! He's made good progress but his offense is carrying his defensive lapses... that jab was potent and quick. He is built like a truck and he is so blocky that I see some wars for him in future, doesn't look the swiftest boxing outta trouble and has a fighters mentality as he asserts power, focused combos off thick base. So young he should settle at 154 and though it would be two up & comers possibly ruining one another a hellish fan friendly scrap would be Angulo, style wise. Should get some decent scalps at 147 quickly. I think if he fought Hatton they would be peeling poor Ricky off of the bottom of Canelos boots in that one. Gomez too. You have to have chin, respect in your punch and the gonads to sit in long enough to get it off or your in for a long night with this tempermental Ginger.

I was looking for something, and came across this.

Sometimes I even amaze myself...

http://imageshack.us/a/img515/1240/boxingsmiley.gif

Good find literally. Miss skel. Alvarez has a sold chin and defence has improved.

Yep, like bradguy had a crystal ball...;)