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i was watching ringside tonight & there was an interview with vitali & they showed highlights of the lewis vitali fight, now i always remembered that uppercut lewis hit vitali with & still cant believe vitali didnt go down from it, now if vitali can take that punch i just cant see haye hurting him.
opionions?
I don't think people are saying haye would knock vitali out, at least I hope not, because that's a little out in left field.. I think they're saying vitali is slowing down, he's close to 40, has been injury prone, however the chin is still there. Perhaps they think haye could win a decision over 12 by being quicker and fresh, but I don't even see that happening.
theres no reason haye couldnt knock him out
he rocked valuev who has the hardest head in boxing history by miles
haye could have bigger 1 punch power than lewis
im not saying he will im just saying he could
There is no reason he couldn't KO Vitali, I mean anything could happen, most just doubt it would happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
That statement about Valuev is pure opinion
I HIGHLY doubt he has better 1 punch KO power than Lennox Lewis
im not reading it kabong
its probly a whole load of haye hating jibber jabber anyway
I think the biggest reason is the concept of in order of being able to beat someone, you would have to step in the ring with them...
Vitali may have slowed but his chin is sterdy however I am sure he can get cut and certainly injured which is Hayes only hope.
I thought exactly that when watching ringside. What an upercut! But he got stronger from there.............
WTF? Says who you? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Prime Vitali woul demolish Haye, Herbie Hide style. Now he still does a job on him.
Haye has a better chance at Vitali than Wlad IMO. Vitali's old and fragile.
Are they fighting?
I don't think Haye would go out to KO Vitali. I think he would be cagey and try and pick him off using his speed advantage. As far as NOT being able to?? Haye has the power to KO anyone in the world I guarantee that but Vitali has one hell of a chin, though I do doubt that it's still as good as it was when he fought Lennox.
I think Haye WOULD beat Vitali at this stage BUT prime Vitali would have been a different matter. Vitali has visibly declined a lot over the last 18 months and that was clear when he fought Sosnowski. The man who made the comeback vs Peter would have destroyed Albert way quicker than that and looked much better doing it.
I think Haye knows Vitali is in decline and if he decides to be a man after he destroys the Fraudster and actually fight a Klit, he will go for him before Wlad.
Well he's yet to fight a heavyweight that's younger than 36 so that last part may very well be true. IMO it's still a big ask for the guy because Vitali doesn't have to rely on punching power the KO's he has acheived are great and all but he can still score on any fighter out there. I know Vitali has slowed, but I think the Sosnowski fight is a bit deceptive. No he's not the guy that "harpooned" Kirk Johnson or that demolished Danny Williams, but he can still hurt any heavyweight in the world. I think his power has suffered because he doesn't sit down on all his punches like he used to, he's going to land some pretty hard but he's not going to shoot right hands like the one he caught Lennox Lewis with in the 2nd round of their fight....that was a humdinger (I think even Lennox would agree to that)Quote:
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:) yep says meQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983WTF? Says who you? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Prime Vitali woul demolish Haye, Herbie Hide style. Now he still does a job on him.
Vital would be favourite but with the hate that is around haye i cant really believe anyones opinion isnt influenced
i admit haye is a cock, he has a chance tho, vitali is old and haye is fast and very powerful
Haye has a glass chin mate that's where I come to my conclusion. ;) All the way back to his am days whered he was put on his pants many a time, Vitali might be old still to powereful for Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44:) yep says meQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983WTF? Says who you? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Prime Vitali woul demolish Haye, Herbie Hide style. Now he still does a job on him.
Vital would be favourite but with the hate that is around haye i cant really believe anyones opinion isnt influenced
i admit haye is a cock, he has a chance tho, vitali is old and haye is fast and very powerful
I was also on about Valuev having the hardest head in the history of boxing? Well who the fuck has he fought? Valuev would be ktfo by all the top boys in the history of the heavyweight divsion.
have you seen his head? it may or may not be the hardest but it looks like it should beQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Haye has a glass chin mate that's where cometo my conclusion. ;) All the way bac to his am days whered he was put on his pants many a time, Vitali might be old still to powereful for Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44:) yep says meQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983WTF? Says who you? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Prime Vitali woul demolish Haye, Herbie Hide style. Now he still does a job on him.
Vital would be favourite but with the hate that is around haye i cant really believe anyones opinion isnt influenced
i admit haye is a cock, he has a chance tho, vitali is old and haye is fast and very powerful
I was also on about Valuev having the hardest head in the history of boxing? Well who the fuck has he fought? Valuev would be ktfo by all the top boys in the history of the heavyweight divsion.
im not sure haye does have a glass jaw,
The only times (off the top of my head) he has really been hurt is against thompson and mormeck and i reckon the thompson KD was more that he was completely knackered and a bit weight drained against mormeck
its not excuses for him coz, despite being english, he int my favourite boxer i just dont think the evidence is conclusive of that
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Originally Posted by erics44have you seen his head? it may or may not be the hardest but it looks like it should beQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Haye has a glass chin mate that's where cometo my conclusion. ;) All the way bac to his am days whered he was put on his pants many a time, Vitali might be old still to powereful for Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44:) yep says meQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983WTF? Says who you? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Prime Vitali woul demolish Haye, Herbie Hide style. Now he still does a job on him.
Vital would be favourite but with the hate that is around haye i cant really believe anyones opinion isnt influenced
i admit haye is a cock, he has a chance tho, vitali is old and haye is fast and very powerful
I was also on about Valuev having the hardest head in the history of boxing? Well who the fuck has he fought? Valuev would be ktfo by all the top boys in the history of the heavyweight divsion.
im not sure haye does have a glass jaw,
The only times (off the top of my head) he has really been hurt is against thompson and mormeck and i reckon the thompson KD was more that he was completely knackered and a bit weight drained against mormeck
its not excuses for him coz, despite being english, he int my favourite boxer i just dont think the evidence is conclusive of that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSyXRe57SCU
1.12 of this video falling about like a new born girrafe at light heavyweight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY9PlQTHkyU
Here he is doing a little dance v career super middlewieght Lolenga Mock
i ant seen the first one before and dont remember the second
you put forward a nice argument tho
im still on sure, vitali can band and could probably put anyone away with the right punch
and like i said would definately be the favourite, dont you think hayes combination of speed and power should give vital a test? even more so than anything he has before? (appart from lewis obviously)
I don't think Haye will beat him and I am not certain his power will do any damage, like Drago said Lewis landed a few bombs on Vitali and he didn't flinch, I think the age facotr maybe coes into it but I just can't see Haye doing it, both of them are too big for Haye imo, if they ever happen I will be cheering Haye on but it is a big task to beat any of the brothers.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
The punch that Corey Sanders landed when he fought Vitali (which was like a flush left hook from Gerry Cooney) persuades me that Vitali could take any punch Haye could throw and not go down. Haye would have to land several big shots to get close to knocking him out. By then Vitali may have already exposed Hayes glass jaw and done the job.
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Originally Posted by Mctaggert
i dont think anyone would suggest that vitali wouldnt be the favourite
but do you think haye could have the skills to give vitali more of a fight than his other opponents have?
Yeah, I think Haye is a class above anyone either of the Klitchko's have fought for some time. It just worries me how untested Haye is against a big heavyweight puncher. Haye certainly has the speed and movement to catch Viltali, but I am unsure if he can finish him off.
cant remember that one will have to have a look on youtubeQuote:
Originally Posted by Mctaggert
yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by Mctaggert
i dont think anyone would suggest that vitali wouldnt be the favourite
but do you think haye could have the skills to give vitali more of a fight than his other opponents have?
in my opinion, haye wouldn't go toe-to-toe against vitali anyway b/c knocking him out would be a long shot. he'd try to box and move and take a decision. same thing adamek would do.
I may remind you that Vitali has never been behind on the scoredcards at the end of any of his fights. Sure Chicken Little is fast on his feet, but Vitali is 6'8, he's got a good reach, he's got a very awkward style...I don't see anyone outpointing him. That would be the smart way to go but it doesn't mean it's an easy wayQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
If Vitali handed Sanders and LEwis best bombs without flinching.... there is no doubt that a fight with Haye would be for him like an all you can eat Chinese buffet. Plus, with his size and reach, you can bet that Haye won't have many chances to land anything flush on him. Strength wise, if Barrett and the two other guys in the videos above have been able to rock Haye bad with their shots, imagine what Vitali with a knock out ratio over 97% will do to his body when he'll start to land his bombs. It'll just be a systematical and methodic breakdown
arrrgg i read the first 3 or 4 words of el kabongs post then
so haye has done the smart thing got everyone hyped abt him by saying how much he wants to fight the brothers then says cant come to a contractual agreemantQuote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
well done haye
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Originally Posted by Nameless
Wtf is this Barrett rocking Haye? It didnt happen.
barrett rocked haye with a shot when he was on the floorQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Wtf is this Barrett rocking Haye? It didnt happen.
8 mins 40 sec into clip;D
Yeah that annoys me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Wtf is this Barrett rocking Haye? It didnt happen.
Ruiz did take Haye for a tumble though. In a non gay way.
if vitali falls on haye he wil kill the poor chapQuote:
Originally Posted by J da BombaYeah that annoys me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Wtf is this Barrett rocking Haye? It didnt happen.
Ruiz did take Haye for a tumble though. In a non gay way.