I know this must be old news but I remember Moorer was working with Freddy at the Wild Card and I thought he eventually was going to take over . Now I dont see him with Freddy or at all .Did they have a falling out. I missed what happened.
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I know this must be old news but I remember Moorer was working with Freddy at the Wild Card and I thought he eventually was going to take over . Now I dont see him with Freddy or at all .Did they have a falling out. I missed what happened.
Supposedly the thing with all the PED and steroid rumors going on in Freddies camp made Moorer decide to take a step back for a while until something was done be it verified or proven false
Thanks. So they didnt have big falling out.
Actually they did. Moorer had put a lot of trust into Roach. He had bought into the crap Roach was spitting. He was looking forward to taking over Roach's spot. And hopefully matching his success. Moorer was greatly shocked, disappointed and hurt to find out that Roach's success was due to chemicals injected by needle. Moorer wanted no part of the fraud known as the Wild Card gym.Quote:
Originally Posted by Landon
No the story I heard was he has gone off to another project called the HW factory where he and Oliver McCall train HW prospects in the hope of producing the next American HW champ. Apparently there was no hard feelings between him and Roach whatsoever!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseActually they did. Moorer had put a lot of trust into Roach. He had bought into the crap Roach was spitting. He was looking forward to taking over Roach's spot. And hopefully matching his success. Moorer was greatly shocked, disappointed and hurt to find out that Roach's success was due to chemicals injected by needle. Moorer wanted no part of the fraud known as the Wild Card gym.Quote:
Originally Posted by Landon
Moorer has always seemed a head case with a chip on shoulder
Very interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuNo the story I heard was he has gone off to another project called the HW factory where he and Oliver McCall train HW prospects in the hope of producing the next American HW champ. Apparently there was no hard feelings between him and Roach whatsoever!Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseActually they did. Moorer had put a lot of trust into Roach. He had bought into the crap Roach was spitting. He was looking forward to taking over Roach's spot. And hopefully matching his success. Moorer was greatly shocked, disappointed and hurt to find out that Roach's success was due to chemicals injected by needle. Moorer wanted no part of the fraud known as the Wild Card gym.Quote:
Originally Posted by Landon
I thought it was that Moorer didn't get along with the fighters and none of the fighters liked him, or so it was explained in one of the 24/7 episodes.
No doubt Moorer has always had his faults. But cheater wasn't one of them. He wanted no part of the Wild Card gym when he saw Roach inject Pac in the butt. Roach shooting Pac up with steroids afterwards also bothered him greatlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Yeh I can see where Moorer would be on shakey terms with Roach...or vice versa. consider things too shifty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseNo doubt Moorer has always had his faults. But cheater wasn't one of them. He wanted no part of the Wild Card gym when he saw Roach inject Pac in the butt. Roach shooting Pac up with steroids afterwards also bothered him greatlyQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Looks like Moorer has left the HW Factory. He's no longer listed as a trainer and this is the only article I can find where they even mention him as a trainer!
The Heavyweight Factory Begins Journey | The Heavyweight Factory
Also VD! Are you Floyd Mayweather :D
Hi im new to this so i want to ask you how to get into the classes or any info about getting into classes or having a trainer?
It was explained in one of the 24/7's that he told one of Pac's entourage to get the fuck out of a training session without realising it was someone Pac wanted there.
I reckon you need to dive on to the training board my friend. Someone like SCRAP i'm sure would send you in the right direction.....Quote:
Originally Posted by SABBY
As for Moorer, he seemed like quite an intense individual who probably needed his own room......
To be fair VD, I think Roach takes a 'see no evil, hear no evil' approach to what his fighters do. I think he's aware that some guys may do it, but he simply sees it as his job to train them, the rest of it is their responsibility. Also before all the Pac-lovers get in a twist, I think this can be demonstrated by how he handled the James Toney thing, where Roach even said he suspected he was on something, but didn't say anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseActually they did. Moorer had put a lot of trust into Roach. He had bought into the crap Roach was spitting. He was looking forward to taking over Roach's spot. And hopefully matching his success. Moorer was greatly shocked, disappointed and hurt to find out that Roach's success was due to chemicals injected by needle. Moorer wanted no part of the fraud known as the Wild Card gym.Quote:
Originally Posted by Landon
The fact that Pac didn't want a test made a lot of eyebrows to raise. Sure, it doesn't mean neither prove that he took something but to clear the air, he should have taken the test straight away. Now to accuse him without space room for interpretation of being a Peds user is quite exaggerate too and there is something to keep in mind: Him and Floyd have quite boosted egos and seem to like when things work their way, more or less, if I recall, at the end, Pac was ok with bloodtest 10 days prior to the fight but not more. Though I think it should be anytime, it was starting to look reasonable, especially if a test can be made after the fight. I could imagine Manny thinking: "who are you to tell me what to do and not do?" and refusing some of the terms solely on that. As for Roach, I am 100% convinced that he's not juicing his athletes but adopt a politics like the one Jaz mentioned, his job is to train and boost his fighter to the limit, the rest is not of his resort.
From what I understand Moorer just did not get on very well with the boxers in the gym.
Moorer has always been a stroppy type of guy so it comes as no supprise.
You can put up with stroppy boxers because they at the end of the day is what boxing is all about but stroppy co trainers you can do with out.
I heard that roach was shagging moorers wife so moorer started spiking the boxers tea with roids to try and get roach in trouble, roaches fighters started performing better so he and moorer made up and moorer got a pay rise. Then the drugs scandal came out and a stresssed roach started shagging moorers wife again this time roided up himself, moorer decided to find a new job and a new wife
Yep. Manny had Roach canned Moorer's ass for that. That "V.I.P. person" that Moorer kicked out of the building was governor Chavet Singson - a rumored gambling lord and a mass murderer in P.I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
He's the guy with the glasses...
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/...aluarte(2).jpghttp://www.examiner.com/images/blog/...iao_chavit.jpghttp://lh6.ggpht.com/_wcP8TwyjUMs/SU...E/PC063805.JPG
I can clearly see why Pacquiao would want someone like that around him..................Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Yep. Manny had Roach canned Moorer's ass for that. That "V.I.P. person" that Moorer kicked out of the building was governor Chavet Singson - a rumored gambling lord and a mass murderer in P.I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
Dude on the left is Pac's flag bearer. His name is Crisostomo Aquino - he supplies high power guns and ammo. He got involved with Ampatuan (warlord clan) massacre. Arms dealer: I thought I was on the side of the good guys - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos He's now cleared with that scandal.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheepI can clearly see why Pacquiao would want someone like that around him..................Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Yep. Manny had Roach canned Moorer's ass for that. That "V.I.P. person" that Moorer kicked out of the building was governor Chavet Singson - a rumored gambling lord and a mass murderer in P.I.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bomp
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:i...C00754.jpg&t=1http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:R...004/b7.jpg&t=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHdE_zXV-u0
These guys were seen in 24/7...
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/2453/37936723.jpg
http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/558/pac.jpg
I used the word "rumored" and "cleared" btw :-X.
Of course he didn't. It would of been stupid of him. When junkies get arrested there dealer don't go around saying "he got the stuff me. Yes I'm the one who gave it to him". Roach is just preaching from the drug dealer handbook he keeps where his bible use to be. And he's following one of there main rules. Deny involvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinTo be fair VD, I think Roach takes a 'see no evil, hear no evil' approach to what his fighters do. I think he's aware that some guys may do it, but he simply sees it as his job to train them, the rest of it is their responsibility. Also before all the Pac-lovers get in a twist, I think this can be demonstrated by how he handled the James Toney thing, where Roach even said he suspected he was on something, but didn't say anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseActually they did. Moorer had put a lot of trust into Roach. He had bought into the crap Roach was spitting. He was looking forward to taking over Roach's spot. And hopefully matching his success. Moorer was greatly shocked, disappointed and hurt to find out that Roach's success was due to chemicals injected by needle. Moorer wanted no part of the fraud known as the Wild Card gym.Quote:
Originally Posted by Landon