David Haye - Mormeck

Just like Skel's thread really, although it's to claim the opposite. I actually spotted this and mentioned it when the fight happened a few years ago.

Ok here's my claims: When Haye's legs went in the 4th and he went down, i proposed at the time that actually what happened was he stood on the advertising hoardings and slipped, and i've always believed that to be the case.

Now i've found this clip. Watch it in real time and it looks like a legitimate punch.

But then watch again.... (you'll have to keep pausing it at different times as it's quite difficult to get the still image of the shot missing Haye, and it's difficult to get the image of Haye stepping on the advertising board).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRT-o...eature=related

Pause it at 1:28 and 1:29 and you'll see that the big punch actually misses Haye by a whisker. You'' also notice him stand on the advertising board which is on the ring apron. You'll also notice how clear his eyes are when he receives his count.

After the fight Haye gave an interview where he said his legs just went, thinking he'd been tagged. For me this definitely explains it. I actually think he decided to go down because he felt his legs go, and Mormeck jumped on him. I think he went down to almost as a precaution.

Watch the video, and slow it down, and you'll see what i mean.....

It looked like a knockdown, that's the first time I've ever studied that one in more detail. Remember it live and have always thought his legs went from the punch.

Now I think it was a slip on the matt, bit still a knock down as he chose to drop down.

Maybe Haye is not chinny after all.

I still think he has sparked out written all over his chin still. That's why I still think Audley has a chance by KO.

I agree James, I think hid chin will fail him sooner rather than later. Audley I can't see it the guy is scared of his own shadow.

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I agree James, I think hid chin will fail him sooner rather than later. Audley I can't see it the guy is scared of his own shadow.

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Mate he's training in the mountains while Haye mooches about in London. The mountains! Got a beard and everything

He's getting in the zone. To land that one bomb needed.

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I agree James, I think hid chin will fail him sooner rather than later. Audley I can't see it the guy is scared of his own shadow.

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Mate he's training in the mountains while Haye mooches about in London. The mountains! Got a beard and everything

He's getting in the zone. To land that one bomb needed.

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Hahahahaha. The mountains?? He'll need a mountain to hide behind when he is sparked within 3!

That I can guarantee.

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Maybe Haye is not chinny after all.

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Look what a super middle weight journeyman did to him ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDgKTcJ4wI&NR=1

Looked legit from this angle though his back was turned. at time of clipping his lead left had yet to plant really. He had that 'rattled' look...legs straight after and jittery. Bigger thing may be that regardless...he was repeatedly open for right. Tiger cant change his stripes.

I do tend to think he is chinny and that's bad news for when he fights Wlad or Vitali. But i do also think even he doesn't know that he wasn't hurt from Mormeck's air shot. ;D

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Maybe Haye is not chinny after all.

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Look what a super middle weight journeyman did to him ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDgKTcJ4wI&NR=1

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That's what temple shots do, to be fair.

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Maybe Haye is not chinny after all.

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Look what a super middle weight journeyman did to him ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDgKTcJ4wI&NR=1

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That's what temple shots do, to be fair.

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You telling me that Nigel Benn could have done that to Mike Tyson!!

Regardless, Mock was the much smaller man naturally. Super middle is 28 pounds lower than Cruiser and that is Mocks natural weight:rolleyes:

Haye has been dropped or hurt alot of times and he hasnt really faced any big punchers yet. Neither Valuev, Ruiz, Barrett or Bonin are regarded as big punchers. Mock put him down, Thompson put him down, Mormeck put him down, Barrett put him down.

Im pretty sure that for all Harrisons misgivings that he can be regarded as a bigger puncher than all the above.

He has never gone over from a shot to the chin as a pro always a shot around the top of the head so why all the question marks over his chin is beyond me.

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He has never gone over from a shot to the chin as a pro always a shot around the top of the head so why all the question marks over his chin is beyond me.

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Guess you haven't seen him am footage dancing about after being hit on the chin. ;)

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He has never gone over from a shot to the chin as a pro always a shot around the top of the head so why all the question marks over his chin is beyond me.

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Its his bodys resiliance to taking punches in general that is in question not over which part of his anatomy exactly, makes him turn to jelly;D

Listen to when he goes back to the corner, he asks Adam Booth "what shot was it"

I clearly remember that from the night.

I never realised this was a point of contention. Definitely a slip... those stupid adverts!
How many times has a fighter slipped in the middle of the ring on those big ol adverts only to have more adverts round the fucking edge too!!

But seriously, Haye slipped, got tagged in a real situation and just took a simple knee.

He may or may not of immediately recalled exactly what had happened but its of no consequence ;)

Has anyone ever missed with an overhand right against Haye?

Legit knockdown in the legal sense, sure he slipped, but no protest from him, so................

We all know Haye is chinny. That is not the question really that we need an answer to. IMO the draining of his body he was doing going into CW fights was ridiculous. At the start of his training camps he weighs around 230lbs, so making 200lbs is losing 30lbs and he is never fat so it is taking a lot out of anyones body to make that kind of weight.

I remember Evander being rocked plenty and struggling like hell in his first fight with Qawi at CW, but when he moved upto HW and stopped having to make weight his chin and even more so his ability recover seemed to improve, this could be the same for Haye, we will have to see. The supposed KD to Barrett CANNOT be counted, whether or not a punch was landed (Hayes head never moved with the shot if you watch carefully and both his feet are sliding forward) he certainly was not hurt and if something did land it was due to his lack of balance that he ended up on the floor.

I don't think for one minute he has a great chin but one thing he has shown is he can get hurt, recover and KO an opponent. That is a decent thing to have. EVERYONE goes down and everyone gets hurt, it's how you react to it that counts and Hayes one defeat taught him a hell of a lot IMO. He put all his eggs in one basket vs Thompson and gassed himself then when he got hurt he had nothing left to recover with, he has not made the same mistake since and his defence is getting much better too. Mormeck is a great example of the fact that Haye is not afraid to take a knee if need be whereas some fighters will stand through a bombardment rather than take a knee and get seriously hurt.

Anyway apparently he is looking awesome in training and has been knocking the fuck out of Tony Thompson in sparring. That's what I like to hear, can't wait to see Audley unconcious now ;D

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Maybe Haye is not chinny after all.

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Look what a super middle weight journeyman did to him ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDgKTcJ4wI&NR=1

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That's what temple shots do, to be fair.

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You telling me that Nigel Benn could have done that to Mike Tyson!!

Regardless, Mock was the much smaller man naturally. Super middle is 28 pounds lower than Cruiser and that is Mocks natural weight:rolleyes:

Haye has been dropped or hurt alot of times and he hasnt really faced any big punchers yet. Neither Valuev, Ruiz, Barrett or Bonin are regarded as big punchers. Mock put him down, Thompson put him down, Mormeck put him down, Barrett put him down.

Im pretty sure that for all Harrisons misgivings that he can be regarded as a bigger puncher than all the above.

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i agree dude hes been down a few times

barrett never put him down tho

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Listen to when he goes back to the corner, he asks Adam Booth "what shot was it"

I clearly remember that from the night.

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Like he didn't remember a shot landing? Or because the 'shot' rattled him so much he just doesn't remember it?

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Listen to when he goes back to the corner, he asks Adam Booth "what shot was it"

I clearly remember that from the night.

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Like he didn't remember a shot landing? Or because the 'shot' rattled him so much he just doesn't remember it?

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Either.

Something buzzed him otherwise he wouldn't have took a count. I've never seen a slipped fighter stay down for a count.

(this is a funny topic considering nothing came of the knockdown/slip ;D)

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Listen to when he goes back to the corner, he asks Adam Booth "what shot was it"

I clearly remember that from the night.

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Like he didn't remember a shot landing? Or because the 'shot' rattled him so much he just doesn't remember it?

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Either.

Something buzzed him otherwise he wouldn't have took a count. I've never seen a slipped fighter stay down for a count.

(this is a funny topic considering nothing came of the knockdown/slip ;D)

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I know. It was Skel's thread that made me think of it.

I actually think he just felt his legs go at the same time a punch brushed him. Obviously without realising he had stepped on an advertising board he could have assumed he was hurt. Mormeck saw the reaction and jumped on him. Has me wondering if Haye just went down to gather his sense. Sounds odd typing it, but things happen fast in the ring. Like you say, it matters little. We all know he'll go over if either Klit tags him. ;D

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Maybe Haye is not chinny after all.

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Look what a super middle weight journeyman did to him ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDgKTcJ4wI&NR=1

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That's what temple shots do, to be fair.

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You telling me that Nigel Benn could have done that to Mike Tyson!!

Regardless, Mock was the much smaller man naturally. Super middle is 28 pounds lower than Cruiser and that is Mocks natural weight:rolleyes:

Haye has been dropped or hurt alot of times and he hasnt really faced any big punchers yet. Neither Valuev, Ruiz, Barrett or Bonin are regarded as big punchers. Mock put him down, Thompson put him down, Mormeck put him down, Barrett put him down.

Im pretty sure that for all Harrisons misgivings that he can be regarded as a bigger puncher than all the above.

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i agree dude hes been down a few times

barrett never put him down tho

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Good old Eric never lets us down does he go have a look a my thread and tell me that wasnt a knockdown.;)

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Maybe Haye is not chinny after all.

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Look what a super middle weight journeyman did to him ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDgKTcJ4wI&NR=1

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That's what temple shots do, to be fair.

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You telling me that Nigel Benn could have done that to Mike Tyson!!

Regardless, Mock was the much smaller man naturally. Super middle is 28 pounds lower than Cruiser and that is Mocks natural weight:rolleyes:

Haye has been dropped or hurt alot of times and he hasnt really faced any big punchers yet. Neither Valuev, Ruiz, Barrett or Bonin are regarded as big punchers. Mock put him down, Thompson put him down, Mormeck put him down, Barrett put him down.

Im pretty sure that for all Harrisons misgivings that he can be regarded as a bigger puncher than all the above.

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i agree dude hes been down a few times

barrett never put him down tho

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Good old Eric never lets us down does he go have a look a my thread and tell me that wasnt a knockdown.;)

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ive seen it plenty of times, ok it could be judged as a knockdown, a little harsh but it could

the thing is we are talking about people hurting haye in this thread and whether or not it was a knockdown he wasnt hurt on that occasion

yes he has been hurt before but not then

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Maybe Haye is not chinny after all.

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Look what a super middle weight journeyman did to him ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDgKTcJ4wI&NR=1

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That's what temple shots do, to be fair.

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You telling me that Nigel Benn could have done that to Mike Tyson!!

Regardless, Mock was the much smaller man naturally. Super middle is 28 pounds lower than Cruiser and that is Mocks natural weight:rolleyes:

Haye has been dropped or hurt alot of times and he hasnt really faced any big punchers yet. Neither Valuev, Ruiz, Barrett or Bonin are regarded as big punchers. Mock put him down, Thompson put him down, Mormeck put him down, Barrett put him down.

Im pretty sure that for all Harrisons misgivings that he can be regarded as a bigger puncher than all the above.

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i agree dude hes been down a few times

barrett never put him down tho

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Good old Eric never lets us down does he go have a look a my thread and tell me that wasnt a knockdown.;)

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ive seen it plenty of times, ok it could be judged as a knockdown, a little harsh but it could

the thing is we are talking about people hurting haye in this thread and whether or not it was a knockdown he wasnt hurt on that occasion

yes he has been hurt before but not then

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How is it harsh judging it as a knockdown? He clearly gets knocked down it doesn't matter if he was hurt or not, the fact is he went down, and I dont care what the thread is about you were the first to go off course with..

"barrett never put him down tho"

But he clearly did as shown in the other thread.

remember only finding out about this fight a week before it happened and being amazed that it literally got no airtime in the UK

mormeck dominated early doors, the knockdown was harsh on haye due to getting tangled in the ropes but it still had to be counted as a genuine knockdown. Hayes comeback was immense. He went into that round with a clear plan in mind and it worked to perfection

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Maybe Haye is not chinny after all.

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Look what a super middle weight journeyman did to him ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDgKTcJ4wI&NR=1

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That's what temple shots do, to be fair.

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You telling me that Nigel Benn could have done that to Mike Tyson!!

Regardless, Mock was the much smaller man naturally. Super middle is 28 pounds lower than Cruiser and that is Mocks natural weight:rolleyes:

Haye has been dropped or hurt alot of times and he hasnt really faced any big punchers yet. Neither Valuev, Ruiz, Barrett or Bonin are regarded as big punchers. Mock put him down, Thompson put him down, Mormeck put him down, Barrett put him down.

Im pretty sure that for all Harrisons misgivings that he can be regarded as a bigger puncher than all the above.

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i agree dude hes been down a few times

barrett never put him down tho

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Good old Eric never lets us down does he go have a look a my thread and tell me that wasnt a knockdown.;)

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ive seen it plenty of times, ok it could be judged as a knockdown, a little harsh but it could

the thing is we are talking about people hurting haye in this thread and whether or not it was a knockdown he wasnt hurt on that occasion

yes he has been hurt before but not then

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How is it harsh judging it as a knockdown? He clearly gets knocked down it doesn't matter if he was hurt or not, the fact is he went down, and I dont care what the thread is about you were the first to go off course with..

"barrett never put him down tho"

But he clearly did as shown in the other thread.

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haye was on his way down barrett caught him and he sat down barrett then hit him whilst down

as i remember it (i could be wrong) it wasnt ruled as a knockdown, the ref didnt count he took a point from barrett

i would happily accept it to this discussion tho if haye had of been hurt because thats what the discussion is about

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haye was on his way down barrett caught him and he sat down barrett then hit him whilst down

as i remember it (i could be wrong) it wasnt ruled as a knockdown, the ref didnt count he took a point from barrett

i would happily accept it to this discussion tho if haye had of been hurt because thats what the discussion is about

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More than likely. ;D

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haye was on his way down barrett caught him and he sat down barrett then hit him whilst down

as i remember it (i could be wrong) it wasnt ruled as a knockdown, the ref didnt count he took a point from barrett

i would happily accept it to this discussion tho if haye had of been hurt because thats what the discussion is about

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More than likely. ;D

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you seem to be lightening up dude

i bet the happy Koppas is much nicer than the angry one :)

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you seem to be lightening up dude

i bet the happy Koppas is much nicer than the angry one :)

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To be fair, it was an open goal. I just had to tap it in. ;)

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Maybe Haye is not chinny after all.

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Look what a super middle weight journeyman did to him ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDgKTcJ4wI&NR=1

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That's what temple shots do, to be fair.

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You telling me that Nigel Benn could have done that to Mike Tyson!!

Regardless, Mock was the much smaller man naturally. Super middle is 28 pounds lower than Cruiser and that is Mocks natural weight:rolleyes:

Haye has been dropped or hurt alot of times and he hasnt really faced any big punchers yet. Neither Valuev, Ruiz, Barrett or Bonin are regarded as big punchers. Mock put him down, Thompson put him down, Mormeck put him down, Barrett put him down.

Im pretty sure that for all Harrisons misgivings that he can be regarded as a bigger puncher than all the above.

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i agree dude hes been down a few times

barrett never put him down tho

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Good old Eric never lets us down does he go have a look a my thread and tell me that wasnt a knockdown.;)

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ive seen it plenty of times, ok it could be judged as a knockdown, a little harsh but it could

the thing is we are talking about people hurting haye in this thread and whether or not it was a knockdown he wasnt hurt on that occasion

yes he has been hurt before but not then

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How is it harsh judging it as a knockdown? He clearly gets knocked down it doesn't matter if he was hurt or not, the fact is he went down, and I dont care what the thread is about you were the first to go off course with..

"barrett never put him down tho"

But he clearly did as shown in the other thread.

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haye was on his way down barrett caught him and he sat down barrett then hit him whilst down

as i remember it (i could be wrong) it wasnt ruled as a knockdown, the ref didnt count he took a point from barrett

i would happily accept it to this discussion tho if haye had of been hurt because thats what the discussion is about

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No Barrett knocked him down, go have a look at the thread about 10 threads down. ;)

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Maybe Haye is not chinny after all.

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Look what a super middle weight journeyman did to him ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFDgKTcJ4wI&NR=1

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That's what temple shots do, to be fair.

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You telling me that Nigel Benn could have done that to Mike Tyson!!

Regardless, Mock was the much smaller man naturally. Super middle is 28 pounds lower than Cruiser and that is Mocks natural weight:rolleyes:

Haye has been dropped or hurt alot of times and he hasnt really faced any big punchers yet. Neither Valuev, Ruiz, Barrett or Bonin are regarded as big punchers. Mock put him down, Thompson put him down, Mormeck put him down, Barrett put him down.

Im pretty sure that for all Harrisons misgivings that he can be regarded as a bigger puncher than all the above.

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i agree dude hes been down a few times

barrett never put him down tho

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Good old Eric never lets us down does he go have a look a my thread and tell me that wasnt a knockdown.;)

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ive seen it plenty of times, ok it could be judged as a knockdown, a little harsh but it could

the thing is we are talking about people hurting haye in this thread and whether or not it was a knockdown he wasnt hurt on that occasion

yes he has been hurt before but not then

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How is it harsh judging it as a knockdown? He clearly gets knocked down it doesn't matter if he was hurt or not, the fact is he went down, and I dont care what the thread is about you were the first to go off course with..

"barrett never put him down tho"

But he clearly did as shown in the other thread.

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haye was on his way down barrett caught him and he sat down barrett then hit him whilst down

as i remember it (i could be wrong) it wasnt ruled as a knockdown, the ref didnt count he took a point from barrett

i would happily accept it to this discussion tho if haye had of been hurt because thats what the discussion is about

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No Barrett knocked him down, go have a look at the thread about 10 threads down. ;)

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whats the thread called?

haye v barrett by any chance? :)

i watched the vid again on the thread and I havent seen anything different. Yes you could say he hit him in the head and he went down

its insignificant tho, it wasnt ruled a knockdown, haye was off ballance almost already on his way down, and he wasnt hurt

my initial statement which you picked up on in this thread was a reaction to someone else who said something along the lines of haye has a glass jaw because he has been knocked down by him him him and him

and i dont think the barrett knockdown was truely representative

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i watched the vid again on the thread and I havent seen anything different. Yes you could say he hit him in the head and he went down

its insignificant tho, it wasnt ruled a knockdown, haye was off ballance almost already on his way down, and he wasnt hurt

my initial statement which you picked up on in this thread was a reaction to someone else who said something along the lines of haye has a glass jaw because he has been knocked down by him him him and him

and i dont think the barrett knockdown was truely representative

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Well if that's the case surely it can't be registered as a KD. It's a little known fact that referees are there to make judgement calls and how hard of an impact the punch was to determine if it was a KD or not.

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Yes you could say he hit him in the head and he went down

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i watched the vid again on the thread and I havent seen anything different. Yes you could say he hit him in the head and he went down

its insignificant tho, it wasnt ruled a knockdown, haye was off ballance almost already on his way down, and he wasnt hurt

my initial statement which you picked up on in this thread was a reaction to someone else who said something along the lines of haye has a glass jaw because he has been knocked down by him him him and him

and i dont think the barrett knockdown was truely representative

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Well if that's the case surely it can't be registered as a KD. It's a little known fact that referees are there to make judgement calls and how hard of an impact the punch was to determine if it was a KD or not.

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clever boy is back :)

he didnt tho dude, it was not ruled a knockdown

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i watched the vid again on the thread and I havent seen anything different. Yes you could say he hit him in the head and he went down

its insignificant tho, it wasnt ruled a knockdown, haye was off ballance almost already on his way down, and he wasnt hurt

my initial statement which you picked up on in this thread was a reaction to someone else who said something along the lines of haye has a glass jaw because he has been knocked down by him him him and him

and i dont think the barrett knockdown was truely representative

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Well if that's the case surely it can't be registered as a KD. It's a little known fact that referees are there to make judgement calls and how hard of an impact the punch was to determine if it was a KD or not.

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clever boy is back :)

he didnt tho dude, it was not ruled a knockdown

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