YouTube - Pacquiao - Margarito HBO 24/7: Episode 1 - (Part 1 of 2)
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After watching that Margo's 5/1 looking better by the day!!
But saying that I think HBO have cleverly edited the show so people don't think this will be as one sided as most think.
Definitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Marg isn't the same fighter he was - and he won't have plaster in his gloves this time.
Manny by comfortable UD.
Judging from Marg's sparring clips, he's too slow... too stiff... too steady. Pac's sparring mates are 3x faster than marg.
But ofcourse, that's just my observation from 24/7 first part video. Everything is different under the lights.
Margo imo is close to being a shot fighter, a one sided ud for Pac at the very least, a late stoppage is also very possible.
Marg has never been about his speed, I bet he was wearing plaster in his fight with Cotto, but he was hitting Cotto almost as much as Manny and all his speed was able to do, and he was doing more damage to Cotto IMO, but that could have been illegal wraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Either way I think Manny wins, but not because of Marg's speed as much as its about Manny being... him, but he needs to be careful and stay of the ropes, and to do so he must arrive in the best shape of his life.
I thought it was an interesting enough episode. I still believe this could well be a more difficult fight for Pac than many are expecting. Margarito seems up for this and he clearly has no distractions. The same can't really be said for Manny, but clearly Manny is favourite and rightly so.
I wasn't impressed with Pacs team revealing that there a window on the testing. Still seven days, that's not exactly the same as what Mosley allowed himself to go through.
The drug testing that Mosley and Mayweather went through stopped at 18 days I believe. So Pac saying 7 days is more than enough of a compromise imo. Unless Taeth has an expert in his gym that has a PHD in Bio-chemistry that says that in 7 days you can juice without being detected, I think it's more than enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Can't help but think they are gonna keep trying to make out like Pac 'isn't totally focussed' or 'his training isn't going as well as he'd like' to make it seem like Marg has a REAL chance of winning and that it's a fair match up. It's only this morning that Roach has come out and said "Khan has been punching the shit out of Pac" in sparring. All this after Roach told him he would lose in eight rounds after "watching your two last fights".
All seems a bit false to me but I could be wrong.
You can't juice within 7 days and not have it detected. Whether or not it's enough time to cycle off something you've been taking for weeks and have it not show up because after 7 days it's out of your system is another story.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogThe drug testing that Mosley and Mayweather went through stopped at 18 days I believe. So Pac saying 7 days is more than enough of a compromise imo. Unless Taeth has an expert in his gym that has a PHD in Bio-chemistry that says that in 7 days you can juice without being detected, I think it's more than enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Fuck if it was about taking something for 7 days or 18 days or whatever then let him... because a weeks worth of gear wouldn't do shit.
I can see this fight just being Pac-Clottey part II tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by koppas
Ditto.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBI can see this fight just being Pac-Clottey part II tbhQuote:
Originally Posted by koppas
So... umm... the Mayweather-Mosely drug test was a total useless bullshit then.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGBYou can't juice within 7 days and not have it detected. Whether or not it's enough time to cycle off something you've been taking for weeks and have it not show up because after 7 days it's out of your system is another story.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogThe drug testing that Mosley and Mayweather went through stopped at 18 days I believe. So Pac saying 7 days is more than enough of a compromise imo. Unless Taeth has an expert in his gym that has a PHD in Bio-chemistry that says that in 7 days you can juice without being detected, I think it's more than enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Fuck if it was about taking something for 7 days or 18 days or whatever then let him... because a weeks worth of gear wouldn't do shit.
Right?
Your hilarious, well actually you're retarded, but even a 14 day cut off should be fine. I know they didn't take blood from Mayweather and Mosley in the last couple of weeks, it was more the fact that they could have at any time that matters. There are things that you can use the day before that won't show up in a drug test, but in terms of steroids, I doubt you would see any gains, especially because Manny rests that last week, at most it would allow his body to recover a little faster. I doubt anyone could out cardio Mayweather if it's an EPO type substance, he is so economical and trains so hard that it shouldn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogThe drug testing that Mosley and Mayweather went through stopped at 18 days I believe. So Pac saying 7 days is more than enough of a compromise imo. Unless Taeth has an expert in his gym that has a PHD in Bio-chemistry that says that in 7 days you can juice without being detected, I think it's more than enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I could see Mayweather however using the fact that Mayweather-Mosley did comparatively better than Manny in his last two fights in terms of money generated that he probably wants to get that entire psychological advantage in negotiations. We will see what happens. More likely than not Floyd needs a break again, and he will fight Pacquiao if he isn't in jail next year.
So hey where is this magical gym of yours homie? You know the one with wallstreet financial experts, neurologists, bio-chemists, and what other fucking expert you got in that gym?Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethYour hilarious, well actually you're retarded, but even a 14 day cut off should be fine. I know they didn't take blood from Mayweather and Mosley in the last couple of weeks, it was more the fact that they could have at any time that matters. There are things that you can use the day before that won't show up in a drug test, but in terms of steroids, I doubt you would see any gains, especially because Manny rests that last week, at most it would allow his body to recover a little faster. I doubt anyone could out cardio Mayweather if it's an EPO type substance, he is so economical and trains so hard that it shouldn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogThe drug testing that Mosley and Mayweather went through stopped at 18 days I believe. So Pac saying 7 days is more than enough of a compromise imo. Unless Taeth has an expert in his gym that has a PHD in Bio-chemistry that says that in 7 days you can juice without being detected, I think it's more than enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I could see Mayweather however using the fact that Mayweather-Mosley did comparatively better than Manny in his last two fights in terms of money generated that he probably wants to get that entire psychological advantage in negotiations. We will see what happens. More likely than not Floyd needs a break again, and he will fight Pacquiao if he isn't in jail next year.
Like I've said, everyone is a fucking expert on the internet on any subject because they read a few online articles. ;)
Agreed! Because Manny was such a huge favourite I think they had to come up with stories of distractions otherwise people will know its a walkover and wont bother buying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by koppasDefinitely.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983
Marg isn't the same fighter he was - and he won't have plaster in his gloves this time.
Manny by comfortable UD.
Fact is Margarito is in for a thrashing. Speed kills in boxing and it will be the key in the heavyweight title fight earlier that night too. The big guys are too slow and the speedsters can come in and out with their power punches. Audley and Tony need them to stand still in order to stand a chance.
Margarito couldnt adjust vs Mosley. He was losing but stuck with his gamplan which led to a KO defeat. He will no doubt get outboxed in this one early too but will stubbornly stick to it and thats when Pac will have Tony walking into massive flush power shots and one of those will take him out in the mid to late rounds depending how bad Tony wants it. Pac will have to have a real bad off night if he were to lose to a slow plodding Margarito. No doubt the Mexican will show heart but these two are in different leagues. Most of the boxing community will want to see Tony get another beating for using the illegal wraps and thats what they'll get on the 13th.
... Hard to see how anyone cannot like manny. Reguardless of who you think he can or can't beat