It seems that Margarito beat Cotto worse that it appeared.
After putting in a great game effort against p4p 1 pacman, people refuse to give him any credit, because he attempted to cheat against SSM. Then those same people that will die before they ever let it go will fight to the death that he ABSOLUTELY cheated against Cotto because even though Cotto always had a suspect chin, bleeds easily, there's no way Cotto could even be beaten that way unless of course someone cheated. Those same anti-Margaritos rarely mention, his other fights. Especially the ones leading up to that Cotto fight. Williams, Johnson, Cintron. I woner why Cotto getting his ass handed to him by the smaller Pacman is more acceptable than the larger Margarito.
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El Kabong
I'm not saying I'm 100% certain Margarito cheated vs Cotto all I am saying is that #1 Margarito got caught with loaded wraps right before he fought Shane Mosley #2 Since getting caught with loaded wraps he hasn't competed at the same level as he did before he got caught #3 Its perfectly reasonable to figure that he COULD have been cheating in fights other than the Mosley fight and those fights don't HAVE to be the Cotto fight but the result of that fight does bring about these questions as before that fight Cotto was undefeated.
And don't hold your breath waiting for Margarito or his former trainer to tell the truth about when they have cheated in the past as it would jeopardize future fights and possibly have legal/civil repercussions in the court of law.
He's only had two fights since being beaten by shane. Wraps or not, Shane never let him throw that many punches so it was clearly a style he would have lost to anyway. And so he looked rusty after a year layoff..oh hell call the cops. Then he faces the p4p #1 and honestly looked every bit of the same but was just hammered to death by the best guy in the world. So that means he was cheating? That's absurd. The version of Marg that faced PACMAN would have beaten cotto again, and possibly other contenders at WW such as collazo, berto, or quintana.
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El Kabong
So you are 100% certain that Margarito only tried to cheat the 1 time?
Absolutely not...hell no. What am I saying is that I'm not going sit an boot strap everything to the mosely fight. That logic means that shane has always cheated, oscar, vargas, TIto was accused of dipping his wraps in ice water, RJJ took a legal substance that eventually became illegal. Floyd Mayweather supposedly uses lidocaine for his brittle hands, etc etc etc If one were to keep with that logic it would seem pretty dumb to watch the sport. Just as people believe one fight doesn't define a whole career. I think hey, Marg was caught, he paid for it, but whats with the overkill? Hell he was suspended, and took two serious ass whoopings after that attempt to cheat. What more do people want, for him to be banned? That's dumb because he didn't actually cheat.
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Pacquiao would have been down in excruciating pain with that perfect liver shot if he was hit with loaded glove. Margo was 17 lbs heavier too.
I strongly believe he cheated when he fought Cintron and Cotto.
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El Kabong
All I'm saying is that there's a distinct possibility he cheated especially given the time frame. Could be vs Cotto, could be vs Cintron, could be vs someone else but the possibility is there.
More disturbing is the possibility that Athletic Commissions didn't do their due diligence.
That's boxing for ya where incompetence, robberies, fixes, shadiness, everything goes. You name it boxing has it.
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Didn't Cotto himself say when the scandal first broke that his own father watched Margarito get his hands wrapped? Cotto said he couldn't have cheated.
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JonesJrMayweather
After putting in a great game effort against p4p 1 pacman, people refuse to give him any credit, (Credit for what? his fight proved nothing concerning loaded hand wraps) because he attempted to cheat against SSM. Then those same people that will die before they ever let it go will fight to the death that he ABSOLUTELY cheated against Cotto because even though Cotto always had a suspect chin, bleeds easily, there's no way Cotto could even be beaten that way unless of course someone cheated. Those same anti-Margaritos rarely mention, his other fights. Especially the ones leading up to that Cotto fight. Williams, Johnson, Cintron. I woner why Cotto getting his ass handed to him by the smaller Pacman is more acceptable than the larger Margarito.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt before 24/7 came along and other videos exposing his true nature. It has nothing to do with his ring performance. Have you heard the word "rehabilitation" Margarito has not shown that he understands the severity of using hand wraps. On the other hand, he has shown that his only concern is to escape punishment.
Imagine if he had gotten away with having loaded wraps and Mosley ended up with sever brain damage or had been killed. Like it or not kids watch him as a role model. Antics using bricks in your wraps is not something to joke about.
If he did use loaded wraps, he got away with using them through out his career, fights Pacquiao, and makes Millions. It's the wrong example of how to reach the big show.
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JonesJrMayweather
After putting in a great game effort against p4p 1 pacman, people refuse to give him any credit, (Credit for what? his fight proved nothing concerning loaded hand wraps) because he attempted to cheat against SSM. Then those same people that will die before they ever let it go will fight to the death that he ABSOLUTELY cheated against Cotto because even though Cotto always had a suspect chin, bleeds easily, there's no way Cotto could even be beaten that way unless of course someone cheated. Those same anti-Margaritos rarely mention, his other fights. Especially the ones leading up to that Cotto fight. Williams, Johnson, Cintron. I woner why Cotto getting his ass handed to him by the smaller Pacman is more acceptable than the larger Margarito.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt before 24/7 came along and other videos exposing his true nature. It has nothing to do with his ring performance. Have you heard the word "rehabilitation" Margarito has not shown that he understands the severity of using hand wraps. On the other hand, he has shown that his only concern is to escape punishment.
Imagine if he had gotten away with having loaded wraps and Mosley ended up with sever brain damage or had been killed. Like it or not kids watch him as a role model. Antics using bricks in your wraps is not something to joke about.
If he did use loaded wraps, he got away with using them through out his career, fights Pacquiao, and makes Millions. It's the wrong example of how to reach the big show.
I mean the effort he put in surely should suggest that he doesn't need wrap to beat cotto. The same Margarito that fought Manny would stop cotto.
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If you had jut come off a win against Cotto, would you then chose a fight against Mosley to risk using loaded wraps for the 1st time? Je Crois Que nons :cool:
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JonesJrMayweather
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El Kabong
I'm not saying I'm 100% certain Margarito cheated vs Cotto all I am saying is that #1 Margarito got caught with loaded wraps right before he fought Shane Mosley #2 Since getting caught with loaded wraps he hasn't competed at the same level as he did before he got caught #3 Its perfectly reasonable to figure that he COULD have been cheating in fights other than the Mosley fight and those fights don't HAVE to be the Cotto fight but the result of that fight does bring about these questions as before that fight Cotto was undefeated.
And don't hold your breath waiting for Margarito or his former trainer to tell the truth about when they have cheated in the past as it would jeopardize future fights and possibly have legal/civil repercussions in the court of law.
He's only had two fights since being beaten by shane. Wraps or not, Shane never let him throw that many punches so it was clearly a style he would have lost to anyway. And so he looked rusty after a year layoff..oh hell call the cops. Then he faces the p4p #1 and honestly looked every bit of the same but was just hammered to death by the best guy in the world. So that means he was cheating? That's absurd. The version of Marg that faced PACMAN would have beaten cotto again, and possibly other contenders at WW such as collazo, berto, or quintana.
We don't know that at all, you are assuming way too much. The Magarito that faced Pacquiao didn't come forward even before Pacquiao landed anything with the same speed and recklessness that he did against Cotto who also hit him with big shots. I am not so sure what Margarito showed on Saturday would have changed whether he wore anything in his gloves or not, he didn't hit Pacquiao as many times as he hit Cotto. But we did see him hurt Manny to the body, but that could also be the size difference. That fight didn't prove anything in terms of how good Margarito still is. Manny was just too much better than him.
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Didn't Cotto himself say when the scandal first broke that his own father watched Margarito get his hands wrapped? Cotto said he couldn't have cheated.
I believe he said his Uncle had someone in the dressing room watching the wrapping HOWEVER that very same Uncle got fired for a reason and signs point to the Uncle not really doing his job being the reason he got fired.
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El Kabong
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Conrad
Didn't Cotto himself say when the scandal first broke that his own father watched Margarito get his hands wrapped? Cotto said he couldn't have cheated.
I believe he said his Uncle had someone in the dressing room watching the wrapping
HOWEVER that very same Uncle got fired for a reason and signs point to the Uncle not really doing his job being the reason he got fired.
During the cotto/pac 24/7 they said that it was because of personal disagreements that they fell out. Something about the uncle not allowing them to train in florida or something like that.
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JonesJrMayweather
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El Kabong
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Conrad
Didn't Cotto himself say when the scandal first broke that his own father watched Margarito get his hands wrapped? Cotto said he couldn't have cheated.
I believe he said his Uncle had someone in the dressing room watching the wrapping
HOWEVER that very same Uncle got fired for a reason and signs point to the Uncle not really doing his job being the reason he got fired.
During the cotto/pac 24/7 they said that it was because of personal disagreements that they fell out. Something about the uncle not allowing them to train in florida or something like that.
Well Cotto apparently had a physical altercation with him....I'm doubting it stemmed from where they wanted to train
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Margarito very likely had loaded wraps for Cotto and Cintron.
Cotto was busted up in the first round.
Cintron says he's never felt a punch the way that Margarito hit him. Cintron hasn't been stopped by anyone else, (Martinez should have been, but he still got up)
Loaded wraps did not help him throw 100+ punches a round or improve his chin, but it made him much more dangerous.
Loaded wraps is directly cheating, and you would know that your hands felt a little different.
Tito was doing it also, pretty much a proven fact. His Dad said they always wrapped the same way. It just wasn't as obvious, his was made into a cast by getting it wet.
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luvfightgame
Margarito very likely had loaded wraps for Cotto and Cintron.
Cotto was busted up in the first round.
Cintron says he's never felt a punch the way that Margarito hit him. Cintron hasn't been stopped by anyone else, (Martinez should have been, but he still got up)
Loaded wraps did not help him throw 100+ punches a round or improve his chin, but it made him much more dangerous.
Loaded wraps is directly cheating, and you would know that your hands felt a little different.
Tito was doing it also, pretty much a proven fact. His Dad said they always wrapped the same way. It just wasn't as obvious, his was made into a cast by getting it wet.
Look up the words "proven" and "fact" then come and repost.
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luvfightgame
Margarito very likely had loaded wraps for Cotto and Cintron.
Cotto was busted up in the first round.
Cintron says he's never felt a punch the way that Margarito hit him. Cintron hasn't been stopped by anyone else, (Martinez should have been, but he still got up)
Loaded wraps did not help him throw 100+ punches a round or improve his chin, but it made him much more dangerous.
Loaded wraps is directly cheating, and you would know that your hands felt a little different.
Tito was doing it also, pretty much a proven fact. His Dad said they always wrapped the same way. It just wasn't as obvious, his was made into a cast by getting it wet.
Stamina-wise it won't help that much, but I think you lose your fear of counter punches to an extent
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JonesJrMayweather
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luvfightgame
Margarito very likely had loaded wraps for Cotto and Cintron.
Cotto was busted up in the first round.
Cintron says he's never felt a punch the way that Margarito hit him. Cintron hasn't been stopped by anyone else, (Martinez should have been, but he still got up)
Loaded wraps did not help him throw 100+ punches a round or improve his chin, but it made him much more dangerous.
Loaded wraps is directly cheating, and you would know that your hands felt a little different.
Tito was doing it also, pretty much a proven fact. His Dad said they always wrapped the same way. It just wasn't as obvious, his was made into a cast by getting it wet.
Look up the words "proven" and "fact" then come and repost.
Agreed.
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no, Trinidad didn't use loaded wraps, the issue about his wraps in the Hopkins fight was, that the wrapping technique was illegal in NY, even Richardson said so in another interview, but it was legal in Vegas and pretty much every other state, Tito's dad would start wrapping lower on his wrist meaning he had less gauze and wrap on his actual knuckles, there was NEVER any accusation from Nazim Richardson that Trinidad or his corner used plaster
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ElTerribleMorales
no, Trinidad didn't use loaded wraps, the issue about his wraps in the Hopkins fight was, that the wrapping technique was illegal in NY, even Richardson said so in another interview, but it was legal in Vegas and pretty much every other state, Tito's dad would start wrapping lower on his wrist meaning he had less gauze and wrap on his actual knuckles, there was NEVER any accusation from Nazim Richardson that Trinidad or his corner used plaster
The accusation, which is an admission from his camp..... Was that he used, tape,gauze,tape. Then the accusation is that they dipped his hands in water before putting on the gloves. No plaster, just gauze and tape that would be harder after water dried.
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JonesJrMayweather
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luvfightgame
Margarito very likely had loaded wraps for Cotto and Cintron.
Cotto was busted up in the first round.
Cintron says he's never felt a punch the way that Margarito hit him. Cintron hasn't been stopped by anyone else, (Martinez should have been, but he still got up)
Loaded wraps did not help him throw 100+ punches a round or improve his chin, but it made him much more dangerous.
Loaded wraps is directly cheating, and you would know that your hands felt a little different.
Tito was doing it also, pretty much a proven fact. His Dad said they always wrapped the same way. It just wasn't as obvious, his was made into a cast by getting it wet.
Look up the words "proven" and "fact" then come and repost.
I know what they mean. Look up the interviews with Papa Trinidad that he says he always wrapped that way. Then you can repost.
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luvfightgame
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JonesJrMayweather
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luvfightgame
Margarito very likely had loaded wraps for Cotto and Cintron.
Cotto was busted up in the first round.
Cintron says he's never felt a punch the way that Margarito hit him. Cintron hasn't been stopped by anyone else, (Martinez should have been, but he still got up)
Loaded wraps did not help him throw 100+ punches a round or improve his chin, but it made him much more dangerous.
Loaded wraps is directly cheating, and you would know that your hands felt a little different.
Tito was doing it also, pretty much a proven fact. His Dad said they always wrapped the same way. It just wasn't as obvious, his was made into a cast by getting it wet.
Look up the words "proven" and "fact" then come and repost.
I know what they mean. Look up the interviews with Papa Trinidad that he says he always wrapped that way. Then you can repost.
If tito was loading his wraps, which fight was it that he was subsequently suspended?
