FIGHTHYPE \\ JEFF MAYWEATHER: "LIL FLOYD DON'T GET THE SAME TREATMENT AS THE AVERAGE FIGHTER"
Interview with Jeff Mayweather about Floyd's "racist" rant and the perception of Floyd.
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FIGHTHYPE \\ JEFF MAYWEATHER: "LIL FLOYD DON'T GET THE SAME TREATMENT AS THE AVERAGE FIGHTER"
Interview with Jeff Mayweather about Floyd's "racist" rant and the perception of Floyd.
Any issues with the perception of Floyd come down to 1 reason....Floyd.
I think Floyd is a hell of a boxer, he's extremely skilled, but he's hand picked opponents his entire career and he acts like an asshole. Now Roberto Duran acted like an asshole, but he'd fight anyone anytime anywhere and because of that he took some ass whippings but he also earned a great deal of respect.
oh, and pacquiao doesn't "handpick" his opponents? :rolleyes:
Duran vs FMJ would be a good one, I know people are gonna be like floyd is gonna make him quit like Leonard did. Well everybody seems to forget the beating Duran put on Leonard the first fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Excellent point well made Lyle! CC!!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
PBF will NEVER be in the same league as Duran for that very reason, Duran had balls of steel, I doubt Floyd even has balls
Did I say ANYTHING about Pacquiao? I will point out that Floyd didn't fight Miguel Cotto or Antonio Margarito, could Floyd have beaten them, sure he'd have to be favored to, WOULD he have beaten them? We don't know because they never fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Would manny have beaten Casamayor, Raheem, or Campbell? Don't know because he never fought them....etc etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDid I say ANYTHING about Pacquiao? I will point out that Floyd didn't fight Miguel Cotto or Antonio Margarito, could Floyd have beaten them, sure he'd have to be favored to, WOULD he have beaten them? We don't know because they never fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
I don't think Pac would have beat the version of ODLH that Mayweather did to be fair!Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherWould manny have beaten Casamayor, Raheem, or Campbell? Don't know because he never fought them....etc etc etcQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongDid I say ANYTHING about Pacquiao? I will point out that Floyd didn't fight Miguel Cotto or Antonio Margarito, could Floyd have beaten them, sure he'd have to be favored to, WOULD he have beaten them? We don't know because they never fought.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
jonesjrmayweather you bring up fighters that Manny didn't fight and that's fair, but you can't say he never tested himself. Manny's obviously not got an 0 to protect and people will accuse Floyd of protecting that 0 (whether rightly or wrongly) given the people he has fought and not fought....its just a difference of opinions is all. Had Floyd fought Cotto instead of Hatton and won easy then people would complain about that. Floyd is getting the "Star treatment" from the fans, the fans want to see "The Star" fight the guy they think is dangerous....Pacquiao gets similar treatment from the Floyd fans so it's not like this isn't fair play.
I look at Floyd Mayweather like I saw Roy Jones Jr. in his prime, there are impressive guys out there he could pick off in a heartbeat, but for some reason he's not willing to do it and it's a shame that the boxing fan has to sit back and listen to his excuses OR listen to him slate the opponent he chose, fight them, and then come close to straining himself patting himself on the back for beating a fighter he had previously spent all his time trashing.....I mean Floyd sets himself up to be judged at a higher standard (as a boxer of course) because the fans will say "Well if that guy was so crap, then why the fuck did you waste all our time fighting him in the first place?"...he gets himself in trouble by talking too damn much. Pacquiao doesn't say much, but he is respectful I will say that and maybe people give him too much credit because they think every fighter he's getting in the ring with is the best version of that fighter....Floyd convinces you before the fight even happens that the opponent he's fighting is all washed up or has nothing for him and maybe it's just me, but Floyd markets that really well.
I am not a fan of Floyd's and yes Margarito was way out of line and he got deserved, a good old fashion ass whipping. The fact remains that sticks and stones break bones but we heal and move on. Floyd is a fighter and gets challenged often. He has hand picked opponents unnecessarily and yes words live on long after your ass whipping. Floyd might make a mistake in judgment and he gets his 0 wiped out by what thought was a sure thing. Maybe a proper ass whipping by a legitimate contender would at least color his story as a man willing to fight the best. Old opponents, small champions and washed up opponents is not the way and one more thing Mr. Mayweather the clock is ticking on your abilities so stop bitching and moaning and live up to your name and if you want that middle name Money then pick the phone and say,"Hello Manny, let's do it. Enough with the blood tests and name calling. Visit the square ring that will answer the questions because the fans are waiting. "Get out of the toilet there's a line of others waiting. Signed a true boxing fan.
I also think that Cotto was still decent for the Pac fight, that one loss didn't ruin him as a fighter. Pac beat him with more skill than I've seen in any of his recent fights, compare the technique he had then compared to Marg or Clottley, I was more impressed by that win that most of his recent wins.
You can't argue about the great unknowns, if your sentence has too many "ifs" then it clearly does not have enough substance for a decent argument.
Unfortunatley, nearly everything to do with both sides starts with an "if".
Equally as frustrating is that nearly all defences of Mr M or Mr P when their abilities get questioned is "but Mayweather/ Pac didn't fight/ hand picks/ weight drains/ etc etc" by pulling the other fighter into the argument. As if that is the answer, defending your man by slating someone else or dismissing their accomplishments.
Sad, but true.
it's really funny how mayweather haters say he's cherrypicked his opponents. while it may be true he has done that to an extent, it's also true that pacquiao has as well. consider these:
- TKO'd future a 38-1-1, prime Genaro Hernandez in 9.
- TKO9 a very in his prime, 35-1 Jesus Chavez.
- easily beat a prime Carlos Hernandez.
- destroyed an undefeated, 33-0 Diego Corrales.
- beat Jose Luis Castillo two times when Castillo was at his absolute best.
- defeated Jr. Middleweight Champion Oscar de la Hoya when Oscar wasn't dead drained.
- took Ricky Hatton's "0" from him and ruined him. he was never the same after mayweather got through with him.
- made Juan Manuel Marquez look terrible in winning a shutout decision. wasn't even close. this is the same marquez who BEAT pacquiao in their rematch and made pacquiao vow never to fight him again.
- beat a prime Zab Judah by UD12.
- made Shane Mosley his whipping boy for twelve rounds. this same Mosley came back to fight a very competitive fight against Sergio Mora.
i think concerning mayweather the fighter, there is definitely a double-double standard on this guy. people despise his persona because he's first and foremost, a businessman and he loves to "rattle the cage" to sell tickets. but there is a much quieter side of mayweather that people just refuse to see. when he's not promoting fights, he can be a very humble person at times.
Don't see how they're are similar at all. RJJ beat the best MW,- BHOP. Beat p4p number 1 or 2...depending on where they had him vs Sweet pea at that time. (toney) Then had 7 of the 8 Belts at LHW. The only people that many will name that RJJ didnt face where the the europeans. And the only reason those fights didnt happen was because of guys not willing to travel. RJJ was recognized as p4p 1 for many years and the odds on favorite in any of the those fights which means that he should have had the leverage in saying he preferred to fight in the states. None of it was as difficult as money splits. Just guys feeling like they didnt want to travel. The guy that had the 8th belt at LHW, DM, he flew to the states to watch RJJ fight Virgil Hill, so when they talked about the fight DM said he wasn't willing to travel. But why was he at the Hill fight? Because he after he saw that body shot, he decided to hide behind that excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Floyd on the other hand has no excuses for never unifying any division. It seems he's in good with WBC his whole career and the only strap he's cared about. I agree he should have beaten Cotto, Margarito, before they even fought each other. He should a faced shane earlier. I don't think there's ever been an excuse for floyd leaving so many names off his resume for whatever reason it is. RJJ fought everyone there was to fight that was willing to fight in the states.
I don't think Cotto is a viable opponent after two bad losses and the question about the hand wraps was never truly proven after the Margarito match. I have often made reference that I was not a Floyd fan but I always noted his great skills are being wasted in inactivity. The original thread is one of opinion and not substance because it addresses character and not the skills of the fighter but the verbal activities of the fans. Mr. Cotto's courage and skills are not in question either. He just needs a rest, time with his family and a break to count his blessings. If and when he comes back it is his choice, not the fans. As for substance, I was once part of this great sport even though the matches were on a dare, it made me appreciate the efforts fighters put forth for a living that has absolutely no guarantees. By the way I enjoy this sight and I never question anyone's substance because words live forever and everyone likes to be heard.
I've helped improve the accuracy of your PBF resume.;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Good interview honest and factual opinions, imagine if someone said Freddy should die from parkinsons! they'd be rightly crucified but pretty much nothing is of limit with the Mayweathers, I mean I thought it was mad how everyone said Mayweather was homophobic when fight fans have been calling him a fag for ages.
Genaro Hernandez wasn't in his prime, but it was still a good win regardless for Floyd Mayweather Jr's coming out party.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Do you really count the JMM fight ? JMM looked bloated and had no business at Welterweight. He's pushing his luck at Lightweight, he's best weight was at Featherweight. It was a total mismatch and never should of happened, it's just JMM is too much of warrior for his own good at times.
Sergio Mora ? are you kidding me ? Sergio Mora is goodish at best, and i thought Shane Mosley looked bad in the fight, and his only good performance in years was against Antonio Margarito, who was destroyed mentally before the fight which was his own fault, because he's cheating S.O.B. But still my point stands.
Mayweather is a loud mouth pussy I hate him! Pacquiao needs 2 show mw how 2 be humble respected balls of steel, plus the pacman can sing lol wot a legend! Got serious man love 4 that guy :) the fight needs 2 happen now b4 both there gloves get hung up! Give us what we want! Come on pacquiao :)
I believe this guy :lol: to be one of those that Jeff is speaking. I'll bet he didnt even read the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razorsharp
An obvious alt, (IMO).Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherI believe this guy :lol: to be one of those that Jeff is speaking. I'll bet he didnt even read the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razorsharp
Alright the Filipino has got some or should I say plenty of fan boys who happens to land in this forum. But man if you were really a purist and ain't a fan boy you wouldn't even pay attention to 'em like you said how he didn't even read the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherI believe this guy :lol: to be one of those that Jeff is speaking. I'll bet he didnt even read the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razorsharp
I thought Pacquiao just have a larger fan base unlike Floyd. A large bin would mean there can be more empty cans who has a computer and internet connection and would have a high probability of landing in this forum after googleing "PACQUIAO".
I also thought big Floyd, Roger and Jeff Mayweather are all empnty cans these days. Quite frankly I think Floyd doesn't need a trainer, his father or his uncles in his career. An average trainer could have made him the greatest fighter of this era. :-\
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Originally Posted by the_PRODIGYAlright the Filipino has got some or should I say plenty of fan boys who happens to land in this forum. But man if you were really a purist and ain't a fan boy you wouldn't even pay attention to 'em like you said how he didn't even read the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherI believe this guy :lol: to be one of those that Jeff is speaking. I'll bet he didnt even read the article.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razorsharp
I thought Pacquiao just have a larger fan base unlike Floyd. A large bin would mean there can be more empty cans who has a computer and internet connection and would have a high probability of landing in this forum after googleing "PACQUIAO".
I also thought big Floyd, Roger and Jeff Mayweather are all empnty cans these days. Quite frankly I think Floyd doesn't need a trainer, his father or his uncles in his career. An average trainer could have made him the greatest fighter of this era. :-\
Have you ever seen Floyd senior fight? He's directly responsible for Floyd's style, without his teachings Floyd wouldn't be as good as he is. I also believe that he could easily train a fighter to beat Floyd. It's easy to say that floyd doesn't need a trainer when he's so good, because we haven't seen him in a fight where he's being constantly tested. I remember the first Castillo fight, where he was constantly asking his corner's advice. All fighters need a second pair of eyes on their fights to help them see things that they might not be able to see, and to help them adjust very quickly.
And not enough fighters have the smarts or the faith in their corner to ask "What do I do?" and then the skill and courage to follow through with that advice. I will give Floyd mad props for that he's a very smart fighter which he probably doesn't get enough credit for, most people get impressed by his talent, but he's very smart, very cagey too for such a slick fighter.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Got this from another Forum.
Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.
yeah i think Pac fought most of those that he should at Welterweights. Pac fought all that Matters at 126-130. The only question should only be at 135 having only David Diaz in there.
In hindsight he can be more than forgiven for that, although I think he still makes 135 comfortably and if the Floyd fight falls through again I think he should drop down and fight JMM there providing he beats Katsidis this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Got this from another Forum.
Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.
yeah i think Pac fought most of those that he should at Welterweights. Pac fought all that Matters at 126-130. The only question should only be at 135 having only David Diaz in there.
Everyone seems to be sayin jmm is goin to beat katsidis! Now in his prime I think he would but he's had his day, and katsidis has the heart of a lion and is goin to rush him! Think it's goin to be a 6th round knockout, and I think pacquiao v katsidis would be an awesome match up! But what do I know I stumbled across this forum on google lol
People are saying it because it's happened before, Juan Diaz done it pretty comfortably. And as i said in the other thread if Juan Diaz can do it, JMM will do it. Michael Katsidis has got slightly overrated for beating Kevin Mitchell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razorsharp
I mean he's exciting and likeable fighter, but JMM is a master counter puncher. And yes JMM has showed some age as of late, but he's still a very good top fighter. And based on his last fight i still think he has enough to beat someone like Michael Katsidis.
Just their weight... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
If he fights JMM again even at 135, it's going to be said that Manny cherry picked Floyd's leftovers that Floyd fought JMM before Manny. And that Manny fought a old washed up fighter while Floyd fought a better version of JMM. Fact.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuIn hindsight he can be more than forgiven for that, although I think he still makes 135 comfortably and if the Floyd fight falls through again I think he should drop down and fight JMM there providing he beats Katsidis this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Got this from another Forum.
Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.
yeah i think Pac fought most of those that he should at Welterweights. Pac fought all that Matters at 126-130. The only question should only be at 135 having only David Diaz in there.
Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogIf he fights JMM again even at 135, it's going to be said that Manny cherry picked Floyd's leftovers that Floyd fought JMM before Manny. And that Manny fought a old washed up fighter while Floyd fought a better version of JMM. Fact.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuIn hindsight he can be more than forgiven for that, although I think he still makes 135 comfortably and if the Floyd fight falls through again I think he should drop down and fight JMM there providing he beats Katsidis this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Got this from another Forum.
Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.
yeah i think Pac fought most of those that he should at Welterweights. Pac fought all that Matters at 126-130. The only question should only be at 135 having only David Diaz in there.
I see it the other way around. Juan was Pac's leftover for Floyd (FACT!;)). Floyd fought a slow and bloated Juan after he cheated him on the scale. And Manny fought a fresh and comfy Juan... TWICE!
Imo, Floyd wouldn't even dare go down to JMM's 135 comfort zone. But Manny would, and could win it.
That fight has passed imo. Pac needs to fight the winner of Bradley/Alexander or Berto. I would prefer the winner of Bradley/Alexander because whoever wins that fight is a top 7 or 8 fighter in the game that's also undefeated. I know Roach is saving the winner for Khan, but Manny is his bread and butter in that stable of fighters, Manny's interest should be looked at first not Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogIf he fights JMM again even at 135, it's going to be said that Manny cherry picked Floyd's leftovers that Floyd fought JMM before Manny. And that Manny fought a old washed up fighter while Floyd fought a better version of JMM. Fact.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuIn hindsight he can be more than forgiven for that, although I think he still makes 135 comfortably and if the Floyd fight falls through again I think he should drop down and fight JMM there providing he beats Katsidis this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Got this from another Forum.
Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.
yeah i think Pac fought most of those that he should at Welterweights. Pac fought all that Matters at 126-130. The only question should only be at 135 having only David Diaz in there.
I see it the other way around. Juan was Pac's leftover for Floyd (FACT!). Floyd fought a slow and bloated Juan after he cheated him on the scale. And Manny fought a fresh and comfy Juan... TWICE!
Imo, Floyd wouldn't dare go down to JMM's 135 comfort zone. But Manny would, and could win it.
That would put Roach on a tough situation. Cuz Khan is supposedly his next star pupil. But you know what. I've had enough with Pacquiao circus fights already. If Pac-May negotiation fails again, I don't mind seeing Manny clean up 140 after he fights Berto.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogThat fight has passed imo. Pac needs to fight the winner of Bradley/Alexander or Berto. I would prefer the winner of Bradley/Alexander because whoever wins that fight is a top 7 or 8 fighter in the game that's also undefeated. I know Roach is saving the winner for Khan, but Manny is his bread and butter in that stable of fighters, Manny's interest should be looked at first not Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogIf he fights JMM again even at 135, it's going to be said that Manny cherry picked Floyd's leftovers that Floyd fought JMM before Manny. And that Manny fought a old washed up fighter while Floyd fought a better version of JMM. Fact.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuIn hindsight he can be more than forgiven for that, although I think he still makes 135 comfortably and if the Floyd fight falls through again I think he should drop down and fight JMM there providing he beats Katsidis this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Got this from another Forum.
Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.
yeah i think Pac fought most of those that he should at Welterweights. Pac fought all that Matters at 126-130. The only question should only be at 135 having only David Diaz in there.
I see it the other way around. Juan was Pac's leftover for Floyd (FACT!). Floyd fought a slow and bloated Juan after he cheated him on the scale. And Manny fought a fresh and comfy Juan... TWICE!
Imo, Floyd wouldn't dare go down to JMM's 135 comfort zone. But Manny would, and could win it.
But what about Khan though?... Should he move up to 147?... Will he be willing to find a new trainer and fight Manny too?... Hmm...:headscratch::cwm13::scratchchin: I don't know.
Roach has had success before Manny came into his gym, but it was that Filipino fighter that really put Roach out there being well known, also Manny's career is winding down. So Roach should know that who is his bread and butter and that beating the winner of Bradley/Alexander would only enhance Manny and his legacy, for I expect the winner of Bradley/Alexander to go on and do big things even if they were to lose to Manny.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::That would put Roach on a tough situation. Cuz Khan is supposedly his next star pupil. But you know what. I've had enough with Pacquiao circus fights already. If Pac-May negotiation fails again, I don't mind seeing Manny clean up 140 after he fights Berto.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogThat fight has passed imo. Pac needs to fight the winner of Bradley/Alexander or Berto. I would prefer the winner of Bradley/Alexander because whoever wins that fight is a top 7 or 8 fighter in the game that's also undefeated. I know Roach is saving the winner for Khan, but Manny is his bread and butter in that stable of fighters, Manny's interest should be looked at first not Khan.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogIf he fights JMM again even at 135, it's going to be said that Manny cherry picked Floyd's leftovers that Floyd fought JMM before Manny. And that Manny fought a old washed up fighter while Floyd fought a better version of JMM. Fact.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuIn hindsight he can be more than forgiven for that, although I think he still makes 135 comfortably and if the Floyd fight falls through again I think he should drop down and fight JMM there providing he beats Katsidis this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Got this from another Forum.
Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.
yeah i think Pac fought most of those that he should at Welterweights. Pac fought all that Matters at 126-130. The only question should only be at 135 having only David Diaz in there.
I see it the other way around. Juan was Pac's leftover for Floyd (FACT!). Floyd fought a slow and bloated Juan after he cheated him on the scale. And Manny fought a fresh and comfy Juan... TWICE!
Imo, Floyd wouldn't dare go down to JMM's 135 comfort zone. But Manny would, and could win it.
But what about Khan though?... Should he move up to 147?... Will he be willing to find a new trainer and fight Manny too?... Hmm...:headscratch::cwm13::scratchchin: I don't know.
Khan on the other hand, may have a Wlad Klitschko type of career. Meaning all world skills but chinny as hell and may even dominate 1 division, also Khan may even 1 day appear in most people's p4p list, but I don't see atg status in him.
dont be shocked if mayweather noe signs to fight cotto, now that cotto's a spent force money will fight and beat him and tell us all cotto was the p4p best
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Originally Posted by miron_langQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Got this from another Forum.
Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.
That is pretty cool.
If boxing was that black and white.
Pacquiao fought Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito.
Floyd fought Shane.
Where was Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito in their career and standings at the time Pacquiao fought him, and where was Shane in standings when Floyd fought him. It could be argued that Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito were at a lesser standing when Pacquiao fought them, then Shane was when Floyd fought him.
Meaning ranking or gameness?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by miron_langQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Got this from another Forum.
Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.
That is pretty cool.
If boxing was that black and white.
Pacquiao fought Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito.
Floyd fought Shane.
Where was Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito in their career and standings at the time Pacquiao fought him, and where was Shane in standings when Floyd fought him. It could be argued that Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito were at a lesser standing when Pacquiao fought them, then Shane was when Floyd fought him.
ranking wise and position in boxing at the time the fights went down.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherMeaning ranking or gameness?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by miron_langQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Got this from another Forum.
Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.
That is pretty cool.
If boxing was that black and white.
Pacquiao fought Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito.
Floyd fought Shane.
Where was Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito in their career and standings at the time Pacquiao fought him, and where was Shane in standings when Floyd fought him. It could be argued that Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito were at a lesser standing when Pacquiao fought them, then Shane was when Floyd fought him.
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Originally Posted by Majestyranking wise and position in boxing at the time the fights went down.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherMeaning ranking or gameness?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
Originally Posted by miron_langQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Got this from another Forum.
Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.
That is pretty cool.
If boxing was that black and white.
Pacquiao fought Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito.
Floyd fought Shane.
Where was Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito in their career and standings at the time Pacquiao fought him, and where was Shane in standings when Floyd fought him. It could be argued that Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito were at a lesser standing when Pacquiao fought them, then Shane was when Floyd fought him.
I assume that there is nothing i can say that would change your mind. but still here goes :)
Shane Mosley went inactive for 16 Months before fighting Floyd and he is 38 yrs old. Inactivity somewhat affect old fighters dont you think. That;s why he looks completely shot againts Floyd.
now you compare this with Cotto and Margarito? Lets leave Clottey out this for a while
Cotto has already beaten a younger version of Mosley :confused: and he lost only to the man Pacquiao also beat in Margarito.
and you say Clottey, Cotto and Margarito is lesser in standing compared to a mosley that was defeated by Cotto?? id say WTF??!!
Cotto beat Mosley :o
Shane beat Margarito
Pac beat Cotto, Margarito and Clottey
Floyd beat Shane
and you conclude
Floyds victory over Shane is greater that Pac's victory over Cotto, Margarito and Clottey :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Majesty
You must be out of you mind :p Can you rationalize that?
And let's not forget how poor Mosley looked against Mora too. He hasn't beaten a top fighter in over 2 years now and is pushing 40. The Mora fight confirmed what the Mayweather fight had us thinking. If Mosley had come back beating up Mora, then that would have reflected positively on Mayweather's showing. As it stands Mosley has looked relatively shot twice in a row after having a long lay off.
Can I rationalize it?Quote:
Originally Posted by miron_langQuote:
Originally Posted by Majestyranking wise and position in boxing at the time the fights went down.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherMeaning ranking or gameness?Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyQuote:
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Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Got this from another Forum.
Pac fought Cotto, Clottey and Margarito
Margarito fought Cotto, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Cotto fought Margarito, Clottey, Shane and Pac
Clottey fought Cotto, Margarito and Pac
Shane fought Cotto, Margarito, and Floyd
Floyd fought Shane.
That is pretty cool.
If boxing was that black and white.
Pacquiao fought Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito.
Floyd fought Shane.
Where was Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito in their career and standings at the time Pacquiao fought him, and where was Shane in standings when Floyd fought him. It could be argued that Cotto, Clottey, and Margarito were at a lesser standing when Pacquiao fought them, then Shane was when Floyd fought him.
I assume that there is nothing i can say that would change your mind. but still here goes :)
Shane Mosley went inactive for 16 Months before fighting Floyd and he is 38 yrs old. Inactivity somewhat affect old fighters dont you think. That;s why he looks completely shot againts Floyd.
now you compare this with Cotto and Margarito? Lets leave Clottey out this for a while
Cotto has already beaten a younger version of Mosley :confused: and he lost only to the man Pacquiao also beat in Margarito.
and you say Clottey, Cotto and Margarito is lesser in standing compared to a mosley that was defeated by Cotto?? id say WTF??!!
Cotto beat Mosley :o
Shane beat Margarito
Pac beat Cotto, Margarito and Clottey
Floyd beat Shane
and you conclude
Floyds victory over Shane is greater that Pac's victory over Cotto, Margarito and Clottey :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by Majesty
You must be out of you mind :p Can you rationalize that?
Sure. Cotto was at a lesser standing because he'd already lost to Margarito and looked very crappy against Clottey and took a lot of punishment and was in danger of losing that fight too. Margarito was last seen getting knocked out by Mosley, and upon coming off suspension looked very bad in his comeback fight.
Mosley was coming off a win against Margarito at 147 at a time when Margarito was the guy at 147 and the lineal champ. I think we can both agree that Margarito after he beat Cotto became the lineal champ at 147. Mosley knocked him out, thus making him the lineal champ.
You could say Mosley had a long layoff, but Mosley hadn't fought in 18 months, but at the same time Mayweather had only fought once since 2007.
So I can rationalize that Mosley was at a higher standing when Floyd fought him, than Cotto or Margarito was when Pacquiao fought them.
Those are my thoughts anyway.
And I'm not talking about who Mosley looked crap against afterwards I'm talking about the standing they were at when Floyd fought them. Because it wasn't like Mosley looked terrible leading up to the fight. In fact the last time Mosley had been in the ring he looked absolutely dominant and beastly against Margarito. And he was the man and the lineal champ at 147.
Cotto was coming off a knockout loss, and a crappy performance he was busted up against Clottey, Margarito was coming off a knockout loss and another crappy performance.
So Shane looked a lot less weak, and was at a higher standing going into the fight with Mayweather, than Cotto and Margarito were going in against Pacquiao.
That's my thoughts.