Pac and Marquez are still about the same weight.

Just thought I would post this as over the last year are so some people seem to think Pac is using PED.

They just cant get there head round him moving up and looking stronger and just as fast, and many times me and people like Ono have stated he hasn't really put lots of weight on in reality.

On saturday night the time JMM entered the ring he weighed 145 lbs Pac a couple of weeks ago entered the ring at 148 lbs he could easily make Lighhtweight and a fight at 147 or 140 or 135 won't really matter if it happens they will besically be the same weight fight night, I think the only dvantage is Pac not having to strip or dehydrate but I honestly don't see it being a problem for him so If I was Roach just to shut the ahters up I would agree to watever weight ( we no this wont be the case, and the fight will happen at 147 if it does.) I honestly think if he lost to Dela Hoya he woud probably be still at 135 but that fight opened up alot of doors at 147 and around that weight.

Same case with Caballero and Litzau. They are 130 lber but entered the ring 144-145. Gee, they must be on PEDs too huh? Lol.

Anyways, If I was roach I will have Manny to go down at 135 and snatch JMM's belt for 5th lineal title. That'd be fucking orgasmic! (in non gay way). ;D

What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

psl,

the question is this, will pacquiao risk a loss to the man who manhandled him twice? no, i take that back, pacquiao isn't afraid of fighting anybody, it's his butt buddy freddie roach who handpicks all of pacquiao's "dangerous" foes. and did you notice that bob arum recently said there wouldn't be a third marquez fight but instead are leaning towards fighting shane mosley? true but unbelieveable. :o

are we having a peds discussion of a JMM v Pac fight discussion?

I think JMM is very very unlucky to have lost both those fights, if they had gone the other way pac would be less unlucky than JMM is if you get what i mean

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psl,

the question is this, will pacquiao risk a loss to the man who manhandled him twice? no, i take that back, pacquiao isn't afraid of fighting anybody, it's his butt buddy freddie roach who handpicks all of pacquiao's "dangerous" foes. and did you notice that bob arum recently said there wouldn't be a third marquez fight but instead are leaning towards fighting shane mosley? true but unbelieveable. :o

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Lol. If JMM manhandled Pac twice, then how come Juanita is the one who's crying for a third match? JMM is obviously horing and he's willing risk his life for it. Most fightfans want to see a competitive fight. Do you think we will see that in Pac-JMM 3? Do you think Pac fighting Mosely is more of a cakewalk than Pac fighting JMM for a third tme?

psl,

marquez is the only fighter who can give pacquiao fits. it's funny how pactardo fans never mention that the vast majority of pinoy sportswriters, philippine government officials and even your very own, nonito donaire thought marquez beat pacquiao in their rematch. most international boxing writers and U.S. boxing writers thought marquez beat pacquiao TWICE. and now you're saying marquez would be no match for pacquiao? don't be so ignorant. styles make fights and marquez has the perfect style to beat pacquiao. it's clearly becoming evident that team pacquiao is nothing more than a fraud and a fake. oh, sure, don't fight marquez cause he's old but they will fight mosley at 39 years old? besides, marquez isn't washed up like mosley. mosley is absolutely done as a legitimate championship fighter now. it's been evident that team pacquiao picks on fighters who will give them the least amount of resistance. and watch roach demand that mosley come in at a catchweight. it's bound to happen again. marquez is still a very formidable opponent for pacquiao. maybe that's why most of you pactardos don't want another marquez fight because if it wasn't for those corrupt judges, marquez would have beaten your anointed one twice.

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are we having a peds discussion of a JMM v Pac fight discussion?

I think JMM is very very unlucky to have lost both those fights, if they had gone the other way pac would be less unlucky than JMM is if you get what i mean

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JMM didn't lose both fights. 1 draw 1 loss. The more I read your posts the more I wonder if you have watched the fights. Ha. Its a pretty big one to get wrong considering how much you write about it.

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psl,

marquez is the only fighter who can give pacquiao fits. it's funny how pactardo fans never mention that the vast majority of pinoy sportswriters, philippine government officials and even your very own, nonito donaire thought marquez beat pacquiao in their rematch. most international boxing writers and U.S. boxing writers thought marquez beat pacquiao TWICE. and now you're saying marquez would be no match for pacquiao? don't be so ignorant. styles make fights and marquez has the perfect style to beat pacquiao. it's clearly becoming evident that team pacquiao is nothing more than a fraud and a fake. oh, sure, don't fight marquez cause he's old but they will fight mosley at 39 years old? besides, marquez isn't washed up like mosley. mosley is absolutely done as a legitimate championship fighter now. it's been evident that team pacquiao picks on fighters who will give them the least amount of resistance. and watch roach demand that mosley come in at a catchweight. it's bound to happen again. marquez is still a very formidable opponent for pacquiao. maybe that's why most of you pactardos don't want another marquez fight because if it wasn't for those corrupt judges, marquez would have beaten your anointed one twice.

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Hahaa! "Philippine goverment officials" he says. Them against 80 million Filipinos, non-filipino, and official judges who thinks it was the right decision. The decision could have gone either way, kodus to both of them. But you have to understand that it's always hard to avoid controversy with a razor thin verdict like that.

True, styles make fights. But check this out though. Marquez, as great as he is, is no longer on the same level as Manny. If you don't see it that way, then you're a hater. Pac simply evolved into a juggernaut beyond the lightweight division. Pac would slauther him above 135.

Pac has won all fights he had over the 135-lb limit, all of which are against heavier and bigger opponents. In contrast, Marquez only has one showing beyond the lightweight limit and that was a losing, looking like shit against Floyd.

Both Pacquiao-Marquez fights can either be considered a robbery or a close one. For anyone who thinks that it's a robbery in Pac's favor, then they are talking BS and isn't even credible. It's such a close fight that it could have gone the other way. If Manny was just lucky to have been given the nod in the second fight, so be it. In close fights, someone is likely to end up lucky.

Milmascaras1, do you consider their fight to be a robbery? Because if not, then why do you even have to mention that so and so scored the fight in favor of one boxer? Those people that you mentioned are not even a good enough representation of the number of people who watched the fight.

psl,

so now you're calling me a "hater" because i still think marquez is as good or better than pacquiao? it's very interesting that here is pacquiao, supposedly the greatest fighter of all time, (according to pactards) and he won't fight the man who gave him the most trouble and schooled him? it tells you how bad the higher weight fighters are. or is it that marquez is just that good? PSL, name me one FAST and YOUNG fighter pacquiao has faced in the last 7-8 years? the one he did face was agapito sanchez and pacquiao wanted to quit because he was getting bullied. pacquiao even ducked joan guzman when pacquiao was at super featherweight and guzman was still a super bantamweight. that is humiliating. hell, even marquez traveled to the philippines and went up to pacquiao's face and told him he wanted a rematch in front of all of pacquiao's fans and all pacquiao could do is utter "uh, aa, i, wazzz, uh, aa, lucky". lol...marquez put his ass on the spot and pacquiao had one of those "wanna get away"? moments. call me a hater if you will just like every pactard fan who doesn't agree that he is the greatest of all time, but something is very fishy in the way team pacquiao does business. look, devon alexander, amir khan, andre berto and timothy bradley are all available but no, arum wants to fight the 39 year old mosley who looks like he's ready for the grave. until pacquiao starts fighting and beating prime, fast fighters, i will consider him a fraud and a fake. other websites have caught on to this fake flake.

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Just thought I would post this as over the last year are so some people seem to think Pac is using PED.

They just cant get there head round him moving up and looking stronger and just as fast, and many times me and people like Ono have stated he hasn't really put lots of weight on in reality.

On saturday night the time JMM entered the ring he weighed 145 lbs Pac a couple of weeks ago entered the ring at 148 lbs he could easily make Lighhtweight and a fight at 147 or 140 or 135 won't really matter if it happens they will besically be the same weight fight night, I think the only dvantage is Pac not having to strip or dehydrate but I honestly don't see it being a problem for him so If I was Roach just to shut the ahters up I would agree to watever weight ( we no this wont be the case, and the fight will happen at 147 if it does.) I honestly think if he lost to Dela Hoya he woud probably be still at 135 but that fight opened up alot of doors at 147 and around that weight.

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A good neutral ground would be 140. Since when Pac hydrates it would be around the 148 to 149 range. And also Marquez doesn't need to come in at 140, he could come in around his 134 to 135 range where he feels comfortable and then rehydrate to whatever he wants. I mean look at Pac he doesn't come in at the WW limit and comes in usually 2 to 3 pounds under the limit and rehydrates where he is comfortable.

To be honest, I think this fight should have happened a while back, it has lost a lot of it's luster. I hope Pac fights the winner of Bradley/Alexander instead or even Berto, you know some new blood.

neutral,

yes i do consider the 2nd pacquiao/marquez fight a robbery. it's funny how bob arum wanted to install one of his judges he handpicked to be a judge. something is very fishy. i had marquez winning easily by three points. FYI, knockdowns alone do not determine fights. it's who wins most of the rounds and marquez won at least 8 rounds.

Both of these dudes are great fighters in their own respect, no reason to deify one and downplay everything the other has done. I think a 3rd jmm fight would actually be a a bigger challenge for pac than mosley, who's on the clear downside of his career.

"Pac has won all fights he had over the 135-lb limit, all of which are against heavier and bigger opponents. In contrast, Marquez only has one showing beyond the lightweight limit and that was a losing, looking like shit against Floyd."

While this is true, has pac fought anyone as great and skilled as marquez at the heavier weights. Let's be honest all of the dudes he beat at the heavier weights were one loss removed from a severe beating(margo,cotto,hatton) or weight drained to hell(odlh).Saying that it's still a great accomplishment, if it wasn't everyone would be doing it, but he has yet to face someone at the bigger weights that's as skilled as marquez. If the fight is fought at 140 and no higher I think we see something similar to the two first matches, which were great fights due to two great warriors.

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psl,

marquez is the only fighter who can give pacquiao fits. it's funny how pactardo fans never mention that the vast majority of pinoy sportswriters, philippine government officials and even your very own, nonito donaire thought marquez beat pacquiao in their rematch. most international boxing writers and U.S. boxing writers thought marquez beat pacquiao TWICE. and now you're saying marquez would be no match for pacquiao? don't be so ignorant. styles make fights and marquez has the perfect style to beat pacquiao. it's clearly becoming evident that team pacquiao is nothing more than a fraud and a fake. oh, sure, don't fight marquez cause he's old but they will fight mosley at 39 years old? besides, marquez isn't washed up like mosley. mosley is absolutely done as a legitimate championship fighter now. it's been evident that team pacquiao picks on fighters who will give them the least amount of resistance. and watch roach demand that mosley come in at a catchweight. it's bound to happen again. marquez is still a very formidable opponent for pacquiao. maybe that's why most of you pactardos don't want another marquez fight because if it wasn't for those corrupt judges, marquez would have beaten your anointed one twice.

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Hahaa! "Philippine goverment officials" he says. Them against 80 million Filipinos, non-filipino, and official judges who thinks it was the right decision. The decision could have gone either way, kodus to both of them. But you have to understand that it's always hard to avoid controversy with a razor thin verdict like that.

True, styles make fights. But check this out though. Marquez, as great as he is, is no longer on the same level as Manny. If you don't see it that way, then you're a hater. Pac simply evolved into a juggernaut beyond the lightweight division. Pac would slauther him above 135.

Pac has won all fights he had over the 135-lb limit, all of which are against heavier and bigger opponents. In contrast, Marquez only has one showing beyond the lightweight limit and that was a losing, looking like shit against Floyd.

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You forgot the 80 million Filipinos, the government and officials not only helps Pac win his fights for engaging in a boxing conspiracy, they also help provide Pac with A-Side meth to make him invincible in the ring.:o:cool:

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are we having a peds discussion of a JMM v Pac fight discussion?

I think JMM is very very unlucky to have lost both those fights, if they had gone the other way pac would be less unlucky than JMM is if you get what i mean

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JMM didn't lose both fights. 1 draw 1 loss. The more I read your posts the more I wonder if you have watched the fights. Ha. Its a pretty big one to get wrong considering how much you write about it.

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yep dude you are right, you obviously are the voice of boxing

I bow to your amazingness

I'm not sure i have commented on JMM v Pac before tho, have I?

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psl,

marquez is the only fighter who can give pacquiao fits. it's funny how pactardo fans never mention that the vast majority of pinoy sportswriters, philippine government officials and even your very own, nonito donaire thought marquez beat pacquiao in their rematch. most international boxing writers and U.S. boxing writers thought marquez beat pacquiao TWICE. and now you're saying marquez would be no match for pacquiao? don't be so ignorant. styles make fights and marquez has the perfect style to beat pacquiao. it's clearly becoming evident that team pacquiao is nothing more than a fraud and a fake. oh, sure, don't fight marquez cause he's old but they will fight mosley at 39 years old? besides, marquez isn't washed up like mosley. mosley is absolutely done as a legitimate championship fighter now. it's been evident that team pacquiao picks on fighters who will give them the least amount of resistance. and watch roach demand that mosley come in at a catchweight. it's bound to happen again. marquez is still a very formidable opponent for pacquiao. maybe that's why most of you pactardos don't want another marquez fight because if it wasn't for those corrupt judges, marquez would have beaten your anointed one twice.

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Hahaa! "Philippine goverment officials" he says. Them against 80 million Filipinos, non-filipino, and official judges who thinks it was the right decision. The decision could have gone either way, kodus to both of them. But you have to understand that it's always hard to avoid controversy with a razor thin verdict like that.

True, styles make fights. But check this out though. Marquez, as great as he is, is no longer on the same level as Manny. If you don't see it that way, then you're a hater. Pac simply evolved into a juggernaut beyond the lightweight division. Pac would slauther him above 135.

Pac has won all fights he had over the 135-lb limit, all of which are against heavier and bigger opponents. In contrast, Marquez only has one showing beyond the lightweight limit and that was a losing, looking like shit against Floyd.

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You forgot the 80 million Filipinos, the government and officials not only helps Pac win his fights for engaging in a boxing conspiracy, they also help provide Pac with A-Side meth to make him invincible in the ring.:o:cool:

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You mean the same Pacquiao with the severe case of Trypanophobia??????:o

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psl,

marquez is the only fighter who can give pacquiao fits. it's funny how pactardo fans never mention that the vast majority of pinoy sportswriters, philippine government officials and even your very own, nonito donaire thought marquez beat pacquiao in their rematch. most international boxing writers and U.S. boxing writers thought marquez beat pacquiao TWICE. and now you're saying marquez would be no match for pacquiao? don't be so ignorant. styles make fights and marquez has the perfect style to beat pacquiao. it's clearly becoming evident that team pacquiao is nothing more than a fraud and a fake. oh, sure, don't fight marquez cause he's old but they will fight mosley at 39 years old? besides, marquez isn't washed up like mosley. mosley is absolutely done as a legitimate championship fighter now. it's been evident that team pacquiao picks on fighters who will give them the least amount of resistance. and watch roach demand that mosley come in at a catchweight. it's bound to happen again. marquez is still a very formidable opponent for pacquiao. maybe that's why most of you pactardos don't want another marquez fight because if it wasn't for those corrupt judges, marquez would have beaten your anointed one twice.

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Hahaa! "Philippine goverment officials" he says. Them against 80 million Filipinos, non-filipino, and official judges who thinks it was the right decision. The decision could have gone either way, kodus to both of them. But you have to understand that it's always hard to avoid controversy with a razor thin verdict like that.

True, styles make fights. But check this out though. Marquez, as great as he is, is no longer on the same level as Manny. If you don't see it that way, then you're a hater. Pac simply evolved into a juggernaut beyond the lightweight division. Pac would slauther him above 135.

Pac has won all fights he had over the 135-lb limit, all of which are against heavier and bigger opponents. In contrast, Marquez only has one showing beyond the lightweight limit and that was a losing, looking like shit against Floyd.

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You forgot the 80 million Filipinos, the government and officials not only helps Pac win his fights for engaging in a boxing conspiracy, they also help provide Pac with A-Side meth to make him invincible in the ring.:o:cool:

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You mean the same Pacquiao with the severe case of Trypanophobia??????:o

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I don't know about that. All I know is that this A-side meth makes you invincible not only in the boxing ring but also on the battlefield of war. Punches and bullets have no effect.;):o

Lol, that A-side meth is crazy and who knows what they were thinking saying that.
But, that whole Pac needle phobia is crazy as well.

Back on topic, yes they are around the same weight Pac is obviously the sturdier of the two and he just doesn't seem to run out of steam these days..

Bob Arum NOW picking Shane Mosley as Pac’s next opponent doesn’t surprise me. Didn’t Shane Mosley asked for the fight years ago while he still had some gas left in the tank? I am surprised Bob Arum and Freddy Roach didn’t quickly ask Foreman for a fight after Cotto beat him.

As for Juanma vs Manny III, sure, even though Erik Morales beat him clearly and JMM gave Pac his most difficult challenge, the opposition that Manny has faced compared to Juanma may give Manny the edge on this one. Sure, Manny’s opponents may be going downhill, old, damaged goods, weight-drained, etc. Now that I think about it, JMM opposition is not a walk in the park either considering how they at least not passed their prime, downhill, damaged goods, etc.

Will there be random blood tests for this one? :rolleyes:

BTW, Pac's team did offered a 3rd fight to JMM in January of this year, JMM said he wanted 50/50 and OSDT up to the day of the fight. Well there you have it. At this stage only one name will get 50/50 and a OSDT. JMM a great fighter, but he ain't in the driver's seat to be making 50/50 demands and other stuff. That's like the UK making economic and political demands on China when they are in no position to.

Marquez Wanted 50-50 Split, Blood Tests For Pacquiao - Boxing News

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neutral,

yes i do consider the 2nd pacquiao/marquez fight a robbery. it's funny how bob arum wanted to install one of his judges he handpicked to be a judge. something is very fishy. i had marquez winning easily by three points. FYI, knockdowns alone do not determine fights. it's who wins most of the rounds and marquez won at least 8 rounds.

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Three points isn't even a robbery considering that scoring in boxing is subjective unless one fighter is clearly ahead in the rounds. But that is your opinon. Now, if you have said that you think JMM was ahead by eight points, then I can understand you to think it was a robbery.

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BTW, Pac's team did offered a 3rd fight to JMM in January of this year, JMM said he wanted 50/50 and OSDT up to the day of the fight. Well there you have it. At this stage only one name will get 50/50 and a OSDT. JMM a great fighter, but he ain't in the driver's seat to be making 50/50 demands and other stuff. That's like the UK making economic and political demands on China when they are in no position to.

Marquez Wanted 50-50 Split, Blood Tests For Pacquiao - Boxing News

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Same time most people said they wanted OST for a fight with Pacquiao.
GBP said any fighter they promote would demand that against Pacquiao, some how Arum refuses to do any work with GBP now:confused:
Top Rank and the people surrounding Manny are a joke, a complete joke.

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Bob Arum NOW picking Shane Mosley as Pac’s next opponent doesn’t surprise me. Didn’t Shane Mosley asked for the fight years ago while he still had some gas left in the tank? I am surprised Bob Arum and Freddy Roach didn’t quickly ask Foreman for a fight after Cotto beat him.

As for Juanma vs Manny III, sure, even though Erik Morales beat him clearly and JMM gave Pac his most difficult challenge, the opposition that Manny has faced compared to Juanma may give Manny the edge on this one. Sure, Manny’s opponents may be going downhill, old, damaged goods, etc. Now that I think about it, JMM opposition is not a walk in the park either considering how they at least not passed their prime, downhill, damaged goods, etc.

Will there be random blood tests for this one? :rolleyes:

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I don't agree with Bob Arum trying to match Pacquiao with Mosley but I agree with random blood test. Should they also check in the blood test the presence of urine?;D

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BTW, Pac's team did offered a 3rd fight to JMM in January of this year, JMM said he wanted 50/50 and OSDT up to the day of the fight. Well there you have it. At this stage only one name will get 50/50 and a OSDT. JMM a great fighter, but he ain't in the driver's seat to be making 50/50 demands and other stuff. That's like the UK making economic and political demands on China when they are in no position to.

Marquez Wanted 50-50 Split, Blood Tests For Pacquiao - Boxing News

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Same time most people said they wanted OST for a fight with Pacquiao.
GBP said any fighter they promote would demand that against Pacquiao, some how Arum refuses to do any work with GBP now:confused:
Top Rank and the people surrounding Manny are a joke, a complete joke.

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Quite a few people on this site said Pacquiao was scared of JMM and didn't want a 2nd fight till years later or a 3rd fight. 2nd fight offered for early '05, it was turned down to fight 2 bums and Chris John for 30k after their 1st fight. 3rd fight offered this year and also turned down. JMM should know who has the bigger leverage in negotiations and who is the bigger draw, it ain't JMM. Great fighter, but he doesn't have the clout to demand 50/50 money split and OSDT.

Let's take Mayweather, he got paid something like 8 million for fighting Baldomir the lineal champ at 147 while Baldomir got paid around 1 million. Mayweather also dictated ring and glove size.You know why that is? Because Mayweather is the bigger draw and star, not Baldomir.

BTW other fighters that didn't care about those rumors of A-side meth and would have fought Pac were Bradley and Mosley, although at the time Mosley was about to fight Berto before the earthquake in Haiti put an end to that match.

I agree, Marquez shouldn't be asking for a 50/50 deal.
The thing about Mosley, he would love to have a chance against Pacquiao because he knows "anything goes".
And Bradley, good for him for not demanding it.
Though IMO, why wouldn't you want to have a fighter have OST if you have nothing to hide either, unless you are making completely unmatched paycheck and exposure.
And have something to prove.

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What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

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How many times as Marquez fought above 135? Is it me or was his only foray above 135 against Mayweather? If his only loss is against Floyd Mayweather above 135, could it be that his presumed ineffectiveness above 135 has been exaggerated? Maybe it's just he faced a better fighter in Mayweather. Maybe Marquez potentially could be effective above 135.

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What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

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How many times as Marquez fought above 135? Is it me or was his only foray above 135 against Mayweather? If his only loss is against Floyd Mayweather above 135, could it be that his presumed uneffectiveness above 135 has been exaggerated? Maybe it's just he faced a better fighter in Mayweather. Maybe Marquez potentially could be effective above 135.

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Personally I don't he is that effective above 135, but as I said he aint fighting no Welterweight in Pac he is fghting a man that comes in fight night weighing the same as the majority of 135 fighters.


I think Pac would be bad for him at this time in his career.

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What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

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How many times as Marquez fought above 135? Is it me or was his only foray above 135 against Mayweather? If his only loss is against Floyd Mayweather above 135, could it be that his presumed uneffectiveness above 135 has been exaggerated? Maybe it's just he faced a better fighter in Mayweather. Maybe Marquez potentially could be effective above 135.

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You're right his only fight above lightweight was against Mayweather. Maybe the contracted weight shouldn't be as much of an issue, taking into account the fight night weights skel put up showing there isn't much difference between the two, and the possibility you raised that JMM's ineffectiveness above 135 may be exaggerated?

Personally this fight appeals to me, though I'd rather it at 140 as I think its a weight both fighters can make without issue and its in-between the 2 weights they're both campaigning at now. For me this fight appeals more than most other possible fights for Pacquiao right now because of the style match up and history between the two, JMM's skill hasn't been diminishing lately and I think he'd still cause Pacquiao problems. It'd certainly be interesting and if a Mayweather fight isn't made next - which IMO is highly unlikely - then I'd like to see the trilogy

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Over the last 4 years Pac's on the night weights have increased by a total of 5lbs, but in that period of time he's fought in 5 different weight classes. He weighed in at 144lbs against Morales in 06, and weighed in at 149 against Clottey. That's the lowest and the highest he's gone.

When Pacquiao and Marquez fought in 08, Pacquiao had a 4lb advantage on the night.

As for Marquez being ineffective at 135, i can only point to the fact that he's actually stopped Katsidis, Diaz and Casamayor at 135. People talk about the competitiveness of the fights as an indicator of Marquez not being solid at that weight, but i think that is more down to how he has chosen to fight. Toe to toe mainly, and it's worked because he has stopped all 3 opponents. When he ventured above 135 he fought Mayweather. Mayweather is exceptional. I'd give Marquez a great shot at anyone at 140.

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Bob Arum NOW picking Shane Mosley as Pac’s next opponent doesn’t surprise me. Didn’t Shane Mosley asked for the fight years ago while he still had some gas left in the tank? I am surprised Bob Arum and Freddy Roach didn’t quickly ask Foreman for a fight after Cotto beat him.

As for Juanma vs Manny III, sure, even though Erik Morales beat him clearly and JMM gave Pac his most difficult challenge, the opposition that Manny has faced compared to Juanma may give Manny the edge on this one. Sure, Manny’s opponents may be going downhill, old, damaged goods, etc. Now that I think about it, JMM opposition is not a walk in the park either considering how they at least not passed their prime, downhill, damaged goods, etc.

Will there be random blood tests for this one? :rolleyes:

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I don't agree with Bob Arum trying to match Pacquiao with Mosley but I agree with random blood test. Should they also check in the blood test the presence of urine?;D

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First time I hear a Filipino agree with blood tests, interesting :). Hey! Let JMM drink all the urine he wants! I'm tempted to donate some of mine to give him a boost:cool:.

JMM asking for a 50/50 is a bit too much. I agreed with Floyd asking for more and later 50/50 but now, I think the bigger draw is Manny after his recent exciting fights. So now Bob Arum doesn't want any blood tests, eh? :rolleyes:

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What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

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Over the last 4 years Pac's on the night weights have increased by a total of 5lbs, but in that period of time he's fought in 5 different weight classes. He weighed in at 144lbs against Morales in 06, and weighed in at 149 against Clottey. That's the lowest and the highest he's gone.

When Pacquiao and Marquez fought in 08, Pacquiao had a 4lb advantage on the night.

As for Marquez being ineffective at 135, i can only point to the fact that he's actually stopped Katsidis, Diaz and Casamayor at 135. People talk about the competitiveness of the fights as an indicator of Marquez not being solid at that weight, but i think that is more down to how he has chosen to fight. Toe to toe mainly, and it's worked because he has stopped all 3 opponents. When he ventured above 135 he fought Mayweather. Mayweather is exceptional. I'd give Marquez a great shot at anyone at 140.

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Thank you, perfect post. Marquez makes incredibly exciting fights and while I don't think he should venture above 135 (I don't like guys chasing fights at other weights, I'd rather them just clean up 1 division and stay there) to say Pac would slaughter him is just....foolish. Pacquiao is not that much of a different fighter at the higher weights he's just fighting different guys. Marquez is always going to give Pacquiao fits, always!

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Bob Arum NOW picking Shane Mosley as Pac’s next opponent doesn’t surprise me. Didn’t Shane Mosley asked for the fight years ago while he still had some gas left in the tank? I am surprised Bob Arum and Freddy Roach didn’t quickly ask Foreman for a fight after Cotto beat him.

As for Juanma vs Manny III, sure, even though Erik Morales beat him clearly and JMM gave Pac his most difficult challenge, the opposition that Manny has faced compared to Juanma may give Manny the edge on this one. Sure, Manny’s opponents may be going downhill, old, damaged goods, etc. Now that I think about it, JMM opposition is not a walk in the park either considering how they at least not passed their prime, downhill, damaged goods, etc.

Will there be random blood tests for this one? :rolleyes:

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I don't agree with Bob Arum trying to match Pacquiao with Mosley but I agree with random blood test. Should they also check in the blood test the presence of urine?;D

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First time I hear a Filipino agree with blood tests, interesting :). Hey! Let JMM drink all the urine he wants! I'm tempted to donate some of mine to give him a boost:cool:.

JMM asking for a 50/50 is a bit too much. I agreed with Floyd asking for more and later 50/50 but now, I think the bigger draw is Manny after his recent exciting fights. So now Bob Arum doesn't want any blood tests, eh? :rolleyes:

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Just a thought! What if urine actually works as a masking agent? I heard of stranger things happening.

I actually think for Roach isn't putting too much thought into it, to say Pac fights everyone at the 147 limit. It is only advantageous against the much larger fighters. What difference does it make for the smaller fighter or for Pacquiao to make a weight 140-147? JMM would just have the same training advantage as Pac, not having to dehydrate, Right? JMM doesn't have to pack on the weight because Pac ain't coming in any larger. The other 140 lb fighters just have less weight to knock off as well. So really it's kind of a stupid statement.

I think Mosley has lost some of his draw but that is just a thought. Obviously Arum don't think he has and that is why Mosley is Pacquiao's the first alternative. It's anyone guess who the biggest draw for Pacquiao is outside of Mayweather. JMM, Berto or Martinez. Khan or JCC Jr might be the next biggest draws. Who knows, they all have appeal one way or another.

I read someone write Arum is a joke. That is just stupid. Arum knows how to promote a fight. That is exactly why he is a hall of fame promoter. He may not be likable, but he is far from being a joke. Arum makes money in boxing, the same way Don king knows how to make money in boxing.

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Bob Arum NOW picking Shane Mosley as Pac’s next opponent doesn’t surprise me. Didn’t Shane Mosley asked for the fight years ago while he still had some gas left in the tank? I am surprised Bob Arum and Freddy Roach didn’t quickly ask Foreman for a fight after Cotto beat him.

As for Juanma vs Manny III, sure, even though Erik Morales beat him clearly and JMM gave Pac his most difficult challenge, the opposition that Manny has faced compared to Juanma may give Manny the edge on this one. Sure, Manny’s opponents may be going downhill, old, damaged goods, etc. Now that I think about it, JMM opposition is not a walk in the park either considering how they at least not passed their prime, downhill, damaged goods, etc.

Will there be random blood tests for this one? :rolleyes:

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I don't agree with Bob Arum trying to match Pacquiao with Mosley but I agree with random blood test. Should they also check in the blood test the presence of urine?;D

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First time I hear a Filipino agree with blood tests, interesting :). Hey! Let JMM drink all the urine he wants! I'm tempted to donate some of mine to give him a boost:cool:.

JMM asking for a 50/50 is a bit too much. I agreed with Floyd asking for more and later 50/50 but now, I think the bigger draw is Manny after his recent exciting fights. So now Bob Arum doesn't want any blood tests, eh? :rolleyes:

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Just don't allow JMM to drink those urine less than 12 hrs before the fight. I don't want him to be throwing up all those urine on Pac :puke:.

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are we having a peds discussion of a JMM v Pac fight discussion?

I think JMM is very very unlucky to have lost both those fights, if they had gone the other way pac would be less unlucky than JMM is if you get what i mean

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JMM didn't lose both fights. 1 draw 1 loss. The more I read your posts the more I wonder if you have watched the fights. Ha. Its a pretty big one to get wrong considering how much you write about it.

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Ha

yep dude you are right, you obviously are the voice of boxing

I bow to your amazingness

I'm not sure i have commented on JMM v Pac before tho, have I?

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"The Voice", I like that. Unfortunately that I am not. You can still bow though.

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What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

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Over the last 4 years Pac's on the night weights have increased by a total of 5lbs, but in that period of time he's fought in 5 different weight classes. He weighed in at 144lbs against Morales in 06, and weighed in at 149 against Clottey. That's the lowest and the highest he's gone.

When Pacquiao and Marquez fought in 08, Pacquiao had a 4lb advantage on the night.

As for Marquez being ineffective at 135, i can only point to the fact that he's actually stopped Katsidis, Diaz and Casamayor at 135. People talk about the competitiveness of the fights as an indicator of Marquez not being solid at that weight, but i think that is more down to how he has chosen to fight. Toe to toe mainly, and it's worked because he has stopped all 3 opponents. When he ventured above 135 he fought Mayweather. Mayweather is exceptional. I'd give Marquez a great shot at anyone at 140.

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Who said Marquez was ineffective at 135? (:-\)

I don't think Marquez will be ineffective at 140 or above. I'd back him against certain world-class fighters at those weights.

However, even allowing for the interesting weight comparison, I think Pac has improved (surprised people think he hasn't. just the experience alone of slaughtering much bigger world-class fighters must have done wonders for him) and looks much more solid up in weight. I wouldn't hesitate in backing him over Marquez now.

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Same case with Caballero and Litzau. They are 130 lber but entered the ring 144-145. Gee, they must be on PEDs too huh? Lol.

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And that's a typical answer from someone who has ABSOLUTLEY NO clue about modern steroids, their uses and their effects.

I wonder if caballero and Ltizau would run screaming from a blood test....

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are we having a peds discussion of a JMM v Pac fight discussion?

I think JMM is very very unlucky to have lost both those fights, if they had gone the other way pac would be less unlucky than JMM is if you get what i mean

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JMM didn't lose both fights. 1 draw 1 loss. The more I read your posts the more I wonder if you have watched the fights. Ha. Its a pretty big one to get wrong considering how much you write about it.

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yep dude you are right, you obviously are the voice of boxing

I bow to your amazingness

I'm not sure i have commented on JMM v Pac before tho, have I?

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"The Voice", I like that. Unfortunately that I am not. You can still bow though.

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youre not??

but you even knew that JMM didnt loose both fights to pac

youre just messing arent you? I know The Voice when i see him... hear him... read him or whatever

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What were their weights, come fight night, the other two times? I think Marquez should be 2-0 but at 140 or above i'll back Pac to stop him.

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Over the last 4 years Pac's on the night weights have increased by a total of 5lbs, but in that period of time he's fought in 5 different weight classes. He weighed in at 144lbs against Morales in 06, and weighed in at 149 against Clottey. That's the lowest and the highest he's gone.

When Pacquiao and Marquez fought in 08, Pacquiao had a 4lb advantage on the night.

As for Marquez being ineffective at 135, i can only point to the fact that he's actually stopped Katsidis, Diaz and Casamayor at 135. People talk about the competitiveness of the fights as an indicator of Marquez not being solid at that weight, but i think that is more down to how he has chosen to fight. Toe to toe mainly, and it's worked because he has stopped all 3 opponents. When he ventured above 135 he fought Mayweather. Mayweather is exceptional. I'd give Marquez a great shot at anyone at 140.

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Who said Marquez was ineffective at 135? (:-\)

I don't think Marquez will be ineffective at 140 or above. I'd back him against certain world-class fighters at those weights.

However, even allowing for the interesting weight comparison, I think Pac has improved (surprised people think he hasn't. just the experience alone of slaughtering much bigger world-class fighters must have done wonders for him) and looks much more solid up in weight. I wouldn't hesitate in backing him over Marquez now.

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Agreed.

Consider this - who would you favor in fights between Marquez and Pac's recent opponents (Clottey at 147, Cotto at 147, Hatton at 140)?

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Bob Arum NOW picking Shane Mosley as Pac’s next opponent doesn’t surprise me. Didn’t Shane Mosley asked for the fight years ago while he still had some gas left in the tank? I am surprised Bob Arum and Freddy Roach didn’t quickly ask Foreman for a fight after Cotto beat him.

As for Juanma vs Manny III, sure, even though Erik Morales beat him clearly and JMM gave Pac his most difficult challenge, the opposition that Manny has faced compared to Juanma may give Manny the edge on this one. Sure, Manny’s opponents may be going downhill, old, damaged goods, etc. Now that I think about it, JMM opposition is not a walk in the park either considering how they at least not passed their prime, downhill, damaged goods, etc.

Will there be random blood tests for this one? :rolleyes:

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I don't agree with Bob Arum trying to match Pacquiao with Mosley but I agree with random blood test. Should they also check in the blood test the presence of urine?;D

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First time I hear a Filipino agree with blood tests, interesting :). Hey! Let JMM drink all the urine he wants! I'm tempted to donate some of mine to give him a boost:cool:.

JMM asking for a 50/50 is a bit too much. I agreed with Floyd asking for more and later 50/50 but now, I think the bigger draw is Manny after his recent exciting fights. So now Bob Arum doesn't want any blood tests, eh? :rolleyes:

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Just a thought! What if urine actually works as a masking agent? I heard of stranger things happening.

I actually think for Roach isn't putting too much thought into it, to say Pac fights everyone at the 147 limit. It is only advantageous against the much larger fighters. What difference does it make for the smaller fighter or for Pacquiao to make a weight 140-147? JMM would just have the same training advantage as Pac, not having to dehydrate, Right? JMM doesn't have to pack on the weight because Pac ain't coming in any larger. The other 140 lb fighters just have less weight to knock off as well. So really it's kind of a stupid statement.

I think Mosley has lost some of his draw but that is just a thought. Obviously Arum don't think he has and that is why Mosley is Pacquiao's the first alternative. It's anyone guess who the biggest draw for Pacquiao is outside of Mayweather. JMM, Berto or Martinez. Khan or JCC Jr might be the next biggest draws. Who knows, they all have appeal one way or another.

I read someone write Arum is a joke. That is just stupid. Arum knows how to promote a fight. That is exactly why he is a hall of fame promoter. He may not be likable, but he is far from being a joke. Arum makes money in boxing, the same way Don king knows how to make money in boxing.

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It doesn't. The end. ;D