JMM or Mosley?
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JMM or Mosley?
I honestly didn't even watch both fights completely. I am interested in the forums opinion.
Has to be Mosley, because JMM lost every round, and Shane was able to hurt Floyd badly in the second round. To his credit I think JMM wasn't beat up as much, I think Floyd was landing much harder shots on Mosley because Shane drops that left and Floyd was nailing him with crosses.
I agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
HANDS DOWN Shane did better....Shane actually hurt Floyd, he hurt him badly too which probably ended up hurting Shane who kept looking for 1 clean shot to hurt Floyd again and when Floyd knows you're gunning for 1 punch he's going to tell you where to pick it up and where to drop it off, he's just too damn good on defense and counter punching unless you're Tommy Hearns and can "put the lights out" on somebody with 1 shot then you've got the wrong strategy vs Floyd.
People like Manny's chances because he is never satisfied landing just 1 big punch, he wants to bust you up a bit, using both hands and then get out of dodge and if he's able to actually impliment that vs Floyd he'll be in good shape.
JMM was in waaaay over his head, but Shane just got caught up in the moment and didn't stick to any game plan
Shane ofcourse. He won round 1 and 2 and rocked Floyd twice. JMM lost all rounds and got his butt flat on the canvas.
Not even up for debate. Only a fool would say Marquez did better after getting floored and losing every round.
Any dissenter of Floyd who watched both fights, I assure you jumped to their feet in that 2nd rd of the Mosley fight in gleeful anticipation of what could of been, and nearly was.
Wasn't even a seconds worth of that in the JMM fight. Easy peasy choice.
only time i saw Floyd hurt against Mosley was after the big right hand, other than that it was Floyd stunning Mosley a couple of times, as for the topic Mosley did better, but it makes no difference for 2 reasons IMO if he would have pressured a bit more Mayweather would have gotten the stoppage in both fights, and well if you're trying to use this as justification to Pacquiao picking Mosley over Marquez well styles make fights, based on their last 2 performances Mosley looked like crap (especially against Mora) and Marquez seemed to regain his form at 135, he's taken Pacquiao to hell twice (IMO beat Pacquiao twice) so there is no reason as to why Pacquiao shouldn't fight Marquez againQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Shane at least bothered Floyd for the first 2 rounds, JMM landed the occassional right hand but nothing else.
Come on....
Seriously? This isn't even up for debate.
Its not really up for debate MIck. I didn't completely watch both fights so I wanted to know who did better by not having to watch it. Looks like a UD for Mosley right now, I got my answer. Thanks everyone :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
i wonder if a pacquiao fan started this thread? Hmmm!!! let's see, with pacquiao's decision to fight a washed up mosley and now that all the backlash is coming boxing fans all over the world, now this clown is trying to justify why a mosley/pacquiao fight makes more sense than fighting marquez? is this guy delusional? anybody with a brain would tell you mosley did better than marquez vs. mayweather jr. but everybody will also tell you mosley is washed up while marquez is still going strong at 37 yo. besides, mosley doesn't have the right style to bother pacquiao like marquez does. simple as that! pacquiao wants to make money fighting fighters that will give him the least resistance.
Ohh I see...Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainIts not really up for debate MIck. I didn't completely watch both fights so I wanted to know who did better by not having to watch it. Looks like a UD for Mosley right now, I got my answer. Thanks everyone :thumb:Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Well yeah, PBF pitched a shut out vs. JMM.
SSM won 2 rds.
I voted JMM ;D
I was about to do that, just to fxck with everyone lolQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Mosely has a punchers chance, Marquez has shitty chance. Mosely definitely.
Always did find it funny how some clowns claim to be true hardcore boxing fans and not just drooling groupies of a particular fighter. Yet at the same didn't watch 2 fights involving 3 of boxings biggest names (p4p fighters at that). Cuz the fighter he calls Master wasn't involved in it. Fucking hilarious. True boxing fan alright.
I think a few weeks ago I had admitted I haven't followed boxing as much. I think it was the p4p ranking thread i created. Although I haven't seen much fights the past year or so I do read who wins and try my best to keep up. What can I say - I got a job to do and a family to raise and I lack time for boxing lately. If you like I will admit you are a bigger boxing fan then I am if it makes you feel better ;) See VD we are friends, you just dont know it yet :spit: :smilie_pinoc:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Can we delete the 2nd round. I think for being at least two weight classes over his head Jmm had some good points,and right was getting there at times. Worse is Mosley showed he could physically damage Mayweather early and then settled in,trying to match speed....couldn't duplicate shite. Damn sobriety and I'll rewatch but with exception of 2nd and getting put on his ass...Jmm did just as well :p Thats like saying "it would have been a great flight if the plane wouldnt have crashed" Yeh.
I actually think Marquez did better.
Alright Mosley had one good round but then was dominated the rest of the fight and pretty much settled into his beating getting busted up.
Marquez though never stopped attacking, and went through every single plan A-Z against Floyd, and kept trying to bring it to him. I think Marquez did better because he never stopped trying and kept wanting to bring it, and even at the times Mayweather looked on the verge of completely dominating him Marquez would always try to come back and respond with something.
Compare that to Mosley who got beat so badly he just settled into it like a child who doesn't see the point in grabbing the belt anymore and decided to spend his time smack talking and loading up for one right hand, and i'll take Marquez's performance any day of the week.
I said no names and wasn't necessarily talking about you. The post must of really hit home and forced you to look in the mirror. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI think a few weeks ago I had admitted I haven't followed boxing as much. I think it was the p4p ranking thread i created. Although I haven't seen much fights the past year or so I do read who wins and try my best to keep up. What can I say - I got a job to do and a family to raise and I lack time for boxing lately. If you like I will admit you are a bigger boxing fan then I am if it makes you feel better ;) See VD we are friends, you just dont know it yet :spit: :smilie_pinoc:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
And just cuz we were family and you were calling me dad for 2 whole weeks till the blood tests cleared me at which point I went into your moms purse, stoled her food stamps and than went into your room and took the 12 cents your whole family pitched in to give you for your birthday before leaving in the middle of the night don't mean we can't be cool. We cool.
I think I am the only one here who didn't watch these two fights, plus I started the thread. Sure you didn't mention any names but you basically had the figure pointed at me :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI said no names and wasn't necessarily talking about you. The post must of really hit home and forced you to look in the mirror. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI think a few weeks ago I had admitted I haven't followed boxing as much. I think it was the p4p ranking thread i created. Although I haven't seen much fights the past year or so I do read who wins and try my best to keep up. What can I say - I got a job to do and a family to raise and I lack time for boxing lately. If you like I will admit you are a bigger boxing fan then I am if it makes you feel better ;) See VD we are friends, you just dont know it yet :spit: :smilie_pinoc:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
And just cuz we were family and you were calling me dad for 2 whole weeks till the blood tests cleared me at which point I went into your moms purse, stoled her food stamps and than went into your room and took the 12 cents your whole family pitched in to give you for your birthday before leaving in the middle of the night don't mean we can't be cool. We cool.
I assure you that was merely a coincidence. Nothing moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI think I am the only one here who didn't watch these two fights, plus I started the thread. Sure you didn't mention any names but you basically had the figure pointed at me :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI said no names and wasn't necessarily talking about you. The post must of really hit home and forced you to look in the mirror. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI think a few weeks ago I had admitted I haven't followed boxing as much. I think it was the p4p ranking thread i created. Although I haven't seen much fights the past year or so I do read who wins and try my best to keep up. What can I say - I got a job to do and a family to raise and I lack time for boxing lately. If you like I will admit you are a bigger boxing fan then I am if it makes you feel better ;) See VD we are friends, you just dont know it yet :spit: :smilie_pinoc:Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
And just cuz we were family and you were calling me dad for 2 whole weeks till the blood tests cleared me at which point I went into your moms purse, stoled her food stamps and than went into your room and took the 12 cents your whole family pitched in to give you for your birthday before leaving in the middle of the night don't mean we can't be cool. We cool.
You two voted for JMM. LmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI was about to do that, just to fxck with everyone lolQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Actually I think we are right ;D everyone else is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::You two voted for JMM. LmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI was about to do that, just to fxck with everyone lolQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Mosley did way better than marquez only because of that 2nd round heart pounding scare he gave to floyd fans.
Apart from the one moment Mosley landed on Floyd he got completely thrashed throughout. Marquez got pretty much the same but I think he was a little more competitive. So I voted Marquez but only just.
Strangely, a good argument could be made that Hatton did better than either of them. :o
good point ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Hatton vs JMM at 140 would of be good.
juanma marquez would have given ricky hatton a nice boxing lesson like he gave katsidis and stopped him late as well.
I love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
if Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
agree
thats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
juan diaz tried to bully him and he got KO'd. michael katsidis tried the same thing and look what it got him. any come forward fighter like diaz, katsidis and yes, even pacquiao would play into the hands of the counterpunching marquez. and marquez just isn't a counterpuncher, he's also a fighter that puts together beautiful combinations. ricky hatton would have gotten utterly frustrated and KO'd in the late rounds as marquez would have taken his time to dismantle the gritty brit.
mosley purely on the basis he hurt mayweather in the 2nd round which isnt really enough but JMM didnt really do anything of any merit due to lack of size, speed and style
ummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
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ummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck Hatton[/QUOTE]
Why are people giving Pacquiao crap if he fights Marquez at 147 if he steps into the ring against Kastidis at 145?
Actually you are right I forgot JMM did weigh in at 145, therfor he shouldnt have any problem leaving 135 and fighting at 140.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesummm did you not watch the Katsidis fight? Marquez was at 145 lbs on fight night, he didn't look any slower and his timing was definitely not off, he would wreck HattonQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius Rainthats if JMM is himself at 140. If his timing is off and he is slowed by the extra weight, ricky could bully him for 12 rounds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesif Pacquiao was able to counter Hatton the way he did, Marquez would have done it just the same, only difference is he would have taken his time doing it and stopped Hatton a bit later around the 8th or 9th, no doubt in my mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI love Katsidis but Ricky Hatton did make Koysta quit. I dont know about JMM being able to school ricky and stop him at 140. JMM has never even fought at that weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
What I am trying to tell you is Hatton may look shit now but Katsidis and Juan Diaz are a level below Ricky and the fact that Ricky is bigger and stronger.
JMM whooped Diaz and Katsidis that doesn't mean he'll do the same to Hatton. Different animal Ricky is/was.