How did you score the Khan vs Maidana fight ?
Just finished watching the Khan Maidana fight,what a fight great fight just wanted to ask how people scored the fight,i only had Khan up by 1 point,if Maidana didnt get a point off witch was a bit harsh IMO i have the fight a draw.
Round 1 Khan 10-8
Round 2 Khan 10-9
Round 3 Maidana 10-9
Round 4 Draw 10-10
Round 5 Khan 10-8 cause of the point off for Maidana
Round 6 Maidana 10-9
Round 7 Maidana 10-9
Round 8 Khan 10-9
Round 9 Khan 10-9
Round 10 Maidana 10-8 Dont care what anyone says Khan got his ass handed to him very lucky to last the round.
Round 11 Draw 10-10
Round 12 Maidana 10-9
So had it Khan 114 Maidana 113
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I didn't bother to score the fight, but felt Maidana was trailing by a fair margin going into the championship rounds because of the early KD, bogus point deduction and being outworked in too many of the early rounds. I thought Maidana was coming on fairly strong from the second half onwards and won the championship rounds. The 10th was definitely a 10-8 and Khan would have gone had Cortez not kept trying to seperate them.
I need to watch the fight again and will likely try to put a score to it tomorrow. Khan was the winner and he showed a lot of heart in seeing it through, but I think both fighters deserve a lot of credit for giving us a really gripping fight.
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I had Khan winning every single round apart from the 10th although I think a couple of the championship rounds might have been even.
The 10th was only a 10-9 round however as Khan heroically stayed on his feet in difficult circumstnaces.
The first round I gave to Khan 10-7 due to the knockdown and Maidana's bad sportsmanship in trying to sucker punch somebody touching gloves.
I gave Khan rounds 11 and 12 because Khan was very brave.
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I had Khan winning by 3 (thats giving a 10-8 to Maidana in tenth)
If it went down the stretch I never for one minute thought it would be Khan who would struggle
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I had it 8 rounds to 1 in favor of Khan after 9 rounds and gave Maidana the last 3 rounds.
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generalbulldog
I had it 8 rounds to 1 in favor of Khan after 9 rounds and gave Maidana the last 3 rounds.
I was sure Maidana won at least a couple of those early rounds. Definitely round 3. I'm downloading the fight now, I am curious to see if I see things differently.
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generalbulldog
I had it 8 rounds to 1 in favor of Khan after 9 rounds and gave Maidana the last 3 rounds.
I was sure Maidana won at least a couple of those early rounds. Definitely round 3. I'm downloading the fight now,
I am curious to see if I see things differently.
hahaha, just the idea that you might be prepared to change your mind on something ;D
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generalbulldog
I had it 8 rounds to 1 in favor of Khan after 9 rounds and gave Maidana the last 3 rounds.
I was sure Maidana won at least a couple of those early rounds. Definitely round 3. I'm downloading the fight now, I am curious to see if I see things differently.
Maidana won no more than 4 rounds in my eyes and that's being generous. And the punch stats would agree with me. Overall Khan connected at 273/603 at a 45% connect rate, Maidana at 156/767 at a 20% connect rate.
Amir Khan vs. Marcos Maidana - CompuBox Stats
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generalbulldog
I had it 8 rounds to 1 in favor of Khan after 9 rounds and gave Maidana the last 3 rounds.
I was sure Maidana won at least a couple of those early rounds. Definitely round 3. I'm downloading the fight now,
I am curious to see if I see things differently.
hahaha, just the idea that you might be prepared to change your mind on something ;D
;D
I am curious because I don't think I watched it from the most objective point of view. I was actually quite calm at the start and though the KD unnerved me, I thought 'just early days, stay calm'. However, by the time the point deduction came I was starting to rant at Cortez and then of course we had the 10th where I went mad and knocked over my chair. It was a good thing my wife had gone out as she wouldn't have been impressed by the language and the dramatics. I was jumping around and shouting at my monitor for fair parts of the fight.
I think I need to see it again without the additional stresses and strains.
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I was half cut, but my overall impression was the Khan was comfortable on the cards and could afford to get on his bike for the Championship rounds. I probably wouldn't argue too much with Watt's card oddly enough. Was shocked when i heard the actual scores.
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ono
I was half cut, but my overall impression was the Khan was comfortable on the cards and could afford to get on his bike for the Championship rounds. I probably wouldn't argue too much with Watt's card oddly enough. Was shocked when i heard the actual scores.
I watched the HBO version, how did Watt score it?
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ono
I was half cut, but my overall impression was the Khan was comfortable on the cards and could afford to get on his bike for the Championship rounds. I probably wouldn't argue too much with Watt's card oddly enough. Was shocked when i heard the actual scores.
I watched the HBO version, how did Watt score it?
He had Khan six rounds up.
I had it like so -
Round 1 - Khan 10-8
Round 2 - Khan 10-9
Round 3 - Even 10-10
Round 4 - Khan 10-9
Round 5 - Khan 10-8 (Point deducted, unjustly)
Round 6 - Maidana 10-9
Round 7 - Maidana 10-9
Round 8 - Khan 10-9
Round 9 - Khan 10-9
Round 10 - Maidana 10-8
Round 11 - Even 10-10 (Maidana coming forward and Khan obviously still in trouble but Maidana hardly landed anything. I think some people forget the rounds should be scored in isolation, IE in scoring the 11th the 10th round should not enter thoughts)
Round 12 - Maidana 10-9
So, if my maths are right I had it 115 - 112 for Khan.
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Bilbo
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ono
I was half cut, but my overall impression was the Khan was comfortable on the cards and could afford to get on his bike for the Championship rounds. I probably wouldn't argue too much with Watt's card oddly enough. Was shocked when i heard the actual scores.
I watched the HBO version, how did Watt score it?
He had Khan six rounds up.
I had it like so -
Round 1 - Khan 10-8
Round 2 - Khan 10-9
Round 3 - Even 10-10
Round 4 - Khan 10-9
Round 5 - Khan 10-8 (Point deducted, unjustly)
Round 6 - Maidana 10-9
Round 7 - Maidana 10-9
Round 8 - Khan 10-9
Round 9 - Khan 10-9
Round 10 - Maidana 10-8
Round 11 - Even 10-10 (Maidana coming forward and Khan obviously still in trouble but Maidana hardly landed anything. I think some people forget the rounds should be scored in isolation, IE in scoring the 11th the 10th round should not enter thoughts)
Round 12 - Maidana 10-9
So, if my maths are right I had it 115 - 112 for Khan.
Excellent point ryanman. I also thought the 11th round wasn't at all bad for Khan. Maidana was coming forward, and Khan was moving backwards, but that wasn't the whole story of the round. Khan was the only fight who landed effectively in that round, rocking Maidana with combinations and then getting out of the way again. Maidana looked as exhausted and ready to go as Khan did.
The 12th round was similar too. Khan moved away the whole round, Maidana moved forward but landed nothing, then Amir lit him up in the final few seconds, in fact I thought he was going to floor Maidana.
Interestingly it was a similar story in the first Hopkins Taylor fight. In the championship rounds people only focused on what B Hop was doing with his come forward pressure, but Taylor was firing back with combinations to the body and landed more effectively off the back foot.
People definitely can be guilty of judging the momentum rather the round.
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I wasn't really scoring the fight, because i was enjoying it. When i watch a good action fight for the 1st time i don't bother scoring it, but as i recall.
I seem to remember Marco Maidana sweeping the championship rounds, with a 10-8 round in there somewhere. I also seem to remember him winning 2 rounds before the championship rounds aswell.
But with the point deduction and knockdown against Marcos Maidana, i have no bloody idea how it would work out mathematically at the moment. But i'd say Amir Khan won legitmately by a few points.
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ono
I was half cut, but my overall impression was the Khan was comfortable on the cards and could afford to get on his bike for the Championship rounds. I probably wouldn't argue too much with Watt's card oddly enough. Was shocked when i heard the actual scores.
I watched the HBO version, how did Watt score it?
Think it was 116-110.
What was Hbo's?
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ono
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Bilbo
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ono
I was half cut, but my overall impression was the Khan was comfortable on the cards and could afford to get on his bike for the Championship rounds. I probably wouldn't argue too much with Watt's card oddly enough. Was shocked when i heard the actual scores.
I watched the HBO version, how did Watt score it?
Think it was 116-110.
What was Hbo's?
114-111 I think. He gave Amir the 11th. He also gave Maidana a 10-8 round 10, as did all three of the judges. I know one judge gave Amir the 12th round too.
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ono
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Bilbo
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ono
I was half cut, but my overall impression was the Khan was comfortable on the cards and could afford to get on his bike for the Championship rounds. I probably wouldn't argue too much with Watt's card oddly enough. Was shocked when i heard the actual scores.
I watched the HBO version, how did Watt score it?
Think it was 116-110.
What was Hbo's?
114-111 I think. He gave Amir the 11th. He also gave Maidana a 10-8 round 10, as did all three of the judges. I know one judge gave Amir the 12th round too.
I think i probably had it somewhere in the middle of those 2.
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Round 1 - Khan 10-8
Round 2 - Khan 10-9
Round 3 - Maidana 10-9
Round 4 - Khan 10-9
Round 5 - Khan 10-8 (bullshit though)
Round 6 - Maidana 10-9
Round 7 - Maidana 10-9
Round 8 - Khan 10-9
Round 9 - Khan 10-9
Round 10 - Maidana 10-8
Round 11 - Maidana 10-9
Round 12 - Maidana 10-9
113-112 Khan. This is actually closer than I thought it was originally and suggests that the point deduction was significant. Also if Cortez hadn't of kept jumping in in the 10th Maidana may have been able to force a stoppage or at least force multiple KD's. Khan should have been warned or docked for the excessive holding. If you are going to be firm on an elbow that didn't even land, then you should also be firm on extremely blatant clinching. Cortez is only firm against his least favoured fighter and 'fair' to the other.
Once again poor officiating has made it's mark on what should have just been a fun fight.
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Funny that one judge would have had Maidana winning if it wasn't for the 10-8 round against him where Cortez took that point. Also some of your scorecards reflect that too. But outside of that all I'm hearing is praise for Khan outboxing and outhearting him. Interesting. Still need to catch this damn fight :)
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Round 1 - Khan 10-8
Round 2 - Khan 10-9
Round 3 - Maidana 10-9
Round 4 - Khan 10-9
Round 5 - Khan 10-8 (bullshit though)
Round 6 - Maidana 10-9
Round 7 - Maidana 10-9
Round 8 - Khan 10-9
Round 9 - Khan 10-9
Round 10 - Maidana 10-8
Round 11 - Maidana 10-9
Round 12 - Maidana 10-9
113-112 Khan. This is actually closer than I thought it was originally and suggests that the point deduction was significant. Also if Cortez hadn't of kept jumping in in the 10th Maidana may have been able to force a stoppage or at least force multiple KD's. Khan should have been warned or docked for the excessive holding. If you are going to be firm on an elbow that didn't even land, then you should also be firm on extremely blatant clinching. Cortez is only firm against his least favoured fighter and 'fair' to the other.
Once again poor officiating has made it's mark on what should have just been a fun fight.
What are you talking about Khan hardly held at all! Come on Miles look at the shellacking he suffered in the 10th round, he took flush punch after flush punch and barely held at all.
In the 11th and 12th rounds he circled and kept away until he got his legs back, what is wrong with that exactly?
And how is blatently throwing an elbow not a foul? Were ther roles reversed you would be arguing for a harsher treatment of the filthy Amir and his fouling elbows, his disgusting low life tactic of throwing a punch when his respectful opponent was trying to touch gloves etc.
Maidana totally deserved to get a point docked. It's boxing, trying to elbow somebody in the face is considered bad sportsmanship.
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Round 1 - Khan 10-8
Round 2 - Khan 10-9
Round 3 - Maidana 10-9
Round 4 - Khan 10-9
Round 5 - Khan 10-8 (bullshit though)
Round 6 - Maidana 10-9
Round 7 - Maidana 10-9
Round 8 - Khan 10-9
Round 9 - Khan 10-9
Round 10 - Maidana 10-8
Round 11 - Maidana 10-9
Round 12 - Maidana 10-9
113-112 Khan. This is actually closer than I thought it was originally and suggests that the point deduction was significant. Also if Cortez hadn't of kept jumping in in the 10th Maidana may have been able to force a stoppage or at least force multiple KD's. Khan should have been warned or docked for the excessive holding. If you are going to be firm on an elbow that didn't even land, then you should also be firm on extremely blatant clinching. Cortez is only firm against his least favoured fighter and 'fair' to the other.
Once again poor officiating has made it's mark on what should have just been a fun fight.
What are you talking about Khan hardly held at all! Come on Miles look at the shellacking he suffered in the 10th round, he took flush punch after flush punch and barely held at all.
In the 11th and 12th rounds he circled and kept away until he got his legs back, what is wrong with that exactly?
And how is blatently throwing an elbow not a foul? Were ther roles reversed you would be arguing for a harsher treatment of the filthy Amir and his fouling elbows, his disgusting low life tactic of throwing a punch when his respectful opponent was trying to touch gloves etc.
Maidana totally deserved to get a point docked. It's boxing, trying to elbow somebody in the face is considered bad sportsmanship.
I'm surprised that you said all that and made no comment about my scorecard. It would have been a draw had the point not been taken away and that isn't quite the fight I originally saw despite being biased in favour of Maidana. I am quite aware most others have it a little wider for Khan though. But not by much.
Some of that holding was ridiculous and I don't just mean clinching, but also the bizarre attempts to put 2 hands around Maidana's head. He was also pushing the head down and hitting a lot. He was warned continually, but that was as far as Cortez would go. It is an ugly thing and I would like more fighters to be penalised for it. As it stands fighters seem to get away with it a lot these days.
If the elbow had actually hit Khan and hurt him in some way then for sure I would be totally for the deduction, but as it stands Khan wasn't even hit with anything. Cortez took a bit of a knock, but a warning would have sufficed. You don't take points for a first low blow, so why take points for an elbow that didn't even hit a fighter? It is ridiculous.
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g3org3
Just finished watching the Khan Maidana fight,what a fight great fight just wanted to ask how people scored the fight,i only had Khan up by 1 point,if Maidana didnt get a point off witch was a bit harsh IMO i have the fight a draw.
Round 1 Khan 10-8
Round 2 Khan 10-9
Round 3 Maidana 10-9
Round 4 Draw 10-10
Round 5 Khan 10-8 cause of the point off for Maidana
Round 6 Maidana 10-9
Round 7 Maidana 10-9
Round 8 Khan 10-9
Round 9 Khan 10-9
Round 10 Maidana 10-8 Dont care what anyone says Khan got his ass handed to him very lucky to last the round.
Round 11 Draw 10-10
Round 12 Maidana 10-9
So had it Khan 114 Maidana 113
I had Khan by 2, i think.
1: Khan 10-8
2: Khan 10-9
3: Maidana 10-9
4: Maidana 10-9
5: Khan 10-8
6: Maidana 10-9
7: Maidana 10-9
8: Khan 10-9
9: Khan 10-9
10 Maidana 10-8
11: Khan 10-9
12 : 10-10
Basically had the knock down and the deduction winning the fight for Khan.
