He's one of, if not the, best ref in the game, yet it seems like douchebags like Lawrence Cole and Joe Cortez get a disproportionate amount of high profile fights? What gives?
Can anyone remember the last championship fight Smoger reffed?
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He's one of, if not the, best ref in the game, yet it seems like douchebags like Lawrence Cole and Joe Cortez get a disproportionate amount of high profile fights? What gives?
Can anyone remember the last championship fight Smoger reffed?
IMO Smoger and Kenny Bayless are the two top refs around today, Weeks used to be high up on my list but lately he's been a bit flaky, and well don't get me started with Cortez, Cole, Nady, and Mercante Jr, they all are garbage
Smoger is an east coast referee. He'll do the big fights in Atlantic City or New York. But not the west coast ones. Which is why you don't seem him in fights that take place in Vegas or Los Angeles.
So the commissions/promoter prefer to hire regional refs rather than pay to fly in and accommodate those from a different part of the country?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
For someone that complains about a lack of correct grammar exhibited on these boards - you've had a mare, son ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
VD is correct. It's a regional thing.
When do I complain about grammar? I think I used it as an excuse to call HattontheHammer stupid once, but who among us wouldn't seize that kind of opportunity?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterFor someone that complains about a lack of correct grammar exhibited on these boards - you've had a mare, son ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
VD is correct. It's a regional thing.
I for one never needed an excuseQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHWhen do I complain about grammar? I think I used it as an excuse to call HattontheHammer stupid once, but who among us wouldn't seize that kind of opportunity?Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterFor someone that complains about a lack of correct grammar exhibited on these boards - you've had a mare, son ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
VD is correct. It's a regional thing.
Grammer is overrated. Fuct. And Smoger walks on clouds compared to Cortez.
Yea the states handle the refs and that's why you don't see him much. To be honest, I haven't seen him ref a title fight in a while. Pavlik-Taylor is the last one I can remember??? Johnson-Cloud too actually, I remember being pleased with that and he did a great job.
He's the best in the game, for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by amat
only fight i can remember that i think Smoger did a pretty poor job in was Trinidad/Hopkins
I agree with you. Nobody can argue that Bayless isn't a class act referee but Smoger is very underrated as well. These guys need to stay out of the way and referee when there's issues. Nobody is paying to see the referee, Bayless and Smoger seem to understand that fact. Cortez, Cole, and Nady seem like they are all attention hogging douchebags in and out of the ring.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
CFH is wrong. Dave Parris is arguably the best ref in the fight game.
Ricky?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Bayless is THE best ref in boxing. Smoger IMO is the closest to him. Cortez is just awful. I don't know how he keeps getting work in high profile fights. I don't remember the last fight he reffed where I didn't think he messed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
I had no clue that happensQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
As a tag team partner yeah he's the best. Who can forget the night he and Hatton teamed up to take out Kostya Tszyu?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Bayless is def. in the top along with Smoger.
I also have to mention my boy Raul Caiz Jr. I think he's climbing up the ranks...
Mitch Halpern RIP has been for me one of the best in recent times.
Ref's have to be licensed in the particular state that the fight it held. (which is not as easy as it seems). As noted above Smoger is official ref in several east cost states. Mills Lane and Richard Steel were licensed in Nevada, so you rarely saw them, if ever, ref an east cost fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHSo the commissions/promoter prefer to hire regional refs rather than pay to fly in and accommodate those from a different part of the country?Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Wow, I just did a google search and I didn't even know Mitch Halpern has been dead for over ten years!Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Seems like yesterday he was the 3rd man inside the ring for the biggest bouts.
I like Smoger too, but it's easier to get a good rep when you aren't reffing the biggest fights. I bet most of us can only think of a handful of fights where he was the referree compared to dozens with Cole and Cortez.
Let's remember Nick Clegg was Britains most popular politician six months ago. Now he's in government people are actually burning effigies of him and putting shit through his letterbox. He's now even been told by the police to stop cycling to work as he's likely to get killed.
Point is, the spotlight shines brightest on the biggest stage.
Sad but true...Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogWow, I just did a google search and I didn't even know Mitch Halpern has been dead for over ten years!Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Seems like yesterday he was the 3rd man inside the ring for the biggest bouts.
Smoger is probably the best ref after Bayless, but even he had a bit of a mare the other night when he didn't stop the Adamek-Maddalone fight sooner. I'd say Robert Byrd is also pretty damn good, although he made a bit of a bum call in stopping the Pirog-Jacobs fight too soon imo.
Really Jaz?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I think the Jacobs stoppage was gd. Your actually the 1st person that I know who thinks that. Shots like that can have a lasting effect. I think letting Jacobs fight on would have meant more punishment for him. You win some you lose some its how it goes.
I've never seen him get tense or pissed off. He's always cool, and I love the way he gives compasion to the loser everytime he call stoppage.
I think I phrased that badly in my rush to get off to training. It's not so much the stoppage but the way he wouldn't let him get up to try and beat it. I suspect Jacobs would have lost anyway but I think he deserved the right to try. I might be slightly biased as I've met him and he was a really cool guy, but I wanted him to have the chance. Saying that I also think he shouldn't have even been in the ring considering he was apparently crying in the dressing room beforehandQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickReally Jaz?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
I think the Jacobs stoppage was gd. Your actually the 1st person that I know who thinks that. Shots like that can have a lasting effect. I think letting Jacobs fight on would have meant more punishment for him. You win some you lose some its how it goes.
i seem to remember hearing that steve smoger was being discouraged from his role as a boxing ref because of the shady nature of the sport as it calls to question his crdeibility as a judge. anyone else remember hearing that?