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Maybe not so much as a PPV attraction (but he is getting closer) but I mean more mainstream? I live in Western Canada, not a real hot bed for boxing (other than eastern Quebec) and I see links to Pacman articles on non mainstream news websites (msn, yahoo etc) and other sites that never give two spits about boxing. My youngest daughter, who does goes to school with a small minority of Filipinos classmates knows who he is and I've never said anything to her about boxing.
What do you think?
:rofmaoal: The thought is hilarious. Oscar would have all kinds of females literally throwing there panties at him. From all ages.
popularity wise, pacquiao wouldn't be able to sniff oscar's jockstrap and that's a fact. oh sure, pacquiao has oscar beat in the philippines because there aren't many sports stars there, but worldwide, oscar was ten times more popular than pacquiao.
Probably Oscar but I don't think it's that far a gulf in popularity if it's measured worldwide.
In the west Oscar of course is more popular because he's a western fighter, in the East Pac takes it and I don't think that's up for debate and no that's not just the Phillipines where he's popular. I vacationed in China and Japan last year around this time, after the Cotto fight and he was quite known there when I chatted up some locals and it went into the topic of sports. I seriously doubt Oscar would be more popular than Pacquiao in the East.
really, the only places it matters where a fighter is popular is in the western world. i'd say the united states, the UK, germany, france, italy etc...
Well you did say Pacquiao couldn't sniff Oscar's jock worldwide and that was a supposed "fact" and so I added the East, and it is considered to be worldwide.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
that idiot does two things, backpeddle or contradicts himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogWell you did say Pacquiao couldn't sniff Oscar's jock worldwide and that was a supposed "fact" and so I added the East, and it is considered to be worldwide.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Pac made Oscar more popular after he beat the shit out of him.
PSL,
sorry mate, it is what it is. pacquiao can never be as popular as oscar and you know it. at least not where it counts, in the U.S., UK, and europe in general. The chinese aren't much into boxing. in fact, the only asian country that really counts is japan because they're heavily into boxing and they've been the top dogs in asia since forever.
PSL,
damn, you sound mad cause pacquiao will never be as popular as your God. sorry :)
I would say Manny already is more popular than Oscar worldwide.Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
I guarantee he will go down in history as a far more important fighter than Oscar.
He will be remembered like we remember Henry Armstrong, Ray Robinson and Ali.
:vd: Oh boyQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Do you even know how many Japanese fighters fought outside of Japan this year? They only recognize WBA and WBC as legitimate international championship belt. Yeah, that's #1 boxing country in asia. :rolleyes:
PSL,
lookie here, the japanese have put more money into boxing than all the asian countries put together. they've produced more champions than any other asian country, fact. and isn't it shocking that even though japan doesn't recognize the IBF and WBO titles, they've still produced more countries in asia. how's that for domination! japan currently has better fighters overall than the philippines, thailand and south korea.
Sorry but no...
You guys realize that Oscar attended the Grammys the Oscars among other prestigious events?
Pac is the most popular boxer since ODLH and he is very well on his way to being up there.
If what we are talking about is popularity alone it's ODLH.
ODLH broke barriers in a lot of countries where boxing wasn't even taken into consideration.
Mick the Grammy's are American though, of course an American boxer will be more popular in America! Manny's global fanbase is rapdily growing however.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I'm would say it's a fair bet that Manny is more popular than Oscar across Asia and seeing as that continent holds well over half the entire world's population I reckon he wins.
What other boxer in the world could fight in a country not his own, against a fighter also not from that country and put on the biggest PPV fight of the year there?
Pac is massive. He may not go to the Grammy's but he does hang out with his country's president!
I don't think Manny is well known out here at all. In fact I have very rarely met anyone who knows anything about boxing out here and there is no coverage of boxing on the television anymore. Hatton/Pac was the last one I remember and I have had to use the internet to watch a fight ever since. If you were to mention a player in the premier league then everyones head will turn, but you mention Manny Pac and you will likely get a lot of clueless faces. Maybe it's different in other Asian countries, but it is certainly not the case that he is well known here.
They used to show big fights regularly out here so I would imagine that DLH was covered through his prime years and on that basis I would have to assume that DLH was the more popular of the two seeing as he was covered and Manny Pac hasn't been.
Personally, I prefer to watch Manny Pac fight. He is just far more dynamic and interesting to watch. Oscar is technically very good, but doesn't have that superhuman spark about him. A very good fighter, but just not my cup of tea. Having said that Manny Pac has been an aquired taste due to his opponent selection.
I don't think he is as popular and well known as Oscar at the moment.. It doesn't mean he NEVER can be... He could still have 4 or 5 fights left and god knows who they could be.... If he beat Mayweather, he'd get a bit more main stream media....Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
But as ODLH's nickname suggests, he was the Golden Boy of boxing.. He came from the spiritual heart of boxing, Mexico, he was handsome, he released and album, and he was around in the Era where Tyson and Lennox Lewis and some of the other big draw boxers were still fighting at the top.... Boxing didn't have MMA and other combat sports to compete with, so I think boxing in general was more popular and followed and respected back then..
So for Oscar to be at the top of boxing during that time and known as the P4P #1, as well as having mass appeal because of his looks and charisma, that is really hard to top...
But then, Oscar as much as boxing people would like to believe, was never as popular as Tyson....
The fact is, right now, I could talk to some friends of mine who like sport but have never really followed boxing,,, and they will absolutely know Mike Tyson... They mayyyy have heard the name ODLH before but not be hugely familiar with him. They most likely WON'T know Pac, and will have never even heard of a Floyd Mayweather or Roy Jones...
I think it's really only in the last 2 years that Manny Pacquiao has gained a high profile which expands outside boxing circles... Who knows how much that could grow over the rest of his career and beyond...
So I agree DLH was more popular over the majority of the world and people who pay any attention to boxing, and probably still has a more recognized name...
But know one can "KNOW" he'll never be as popular as ODLH... Including you and PSL.... It's a very hard thing to measure.. But I'm from a country that LOVES it's sport, but boxing is far from most sports people's minds,,, so I get a reasonable indication of how far a boxer's popularity reaches when people have heard of a certain fighter and not another...
And from that perspective, Pac isn't quite there yet... Hell, Danny Green is more well known and popular here... But we Australia is included in the world to, which was the original question..
And really who knows what fights he'll be in before his career ends, or drama, or publicity, or whatever, which could expand the Manny Pacquiao brand...
I think that's it right there...Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Unless of course Manny beats Floyd or gets big in politics then he will leave Oscar behind.
Outside of the Philippines not yet.
If it had been the 80's or 90's when boxing was the mainstream full contact combat sports, maybe Pacquiao can outdo ODLH, but today in the advent of UFC , MMA and other martial arts sports i don't think he will be more popular than ODLH was.
They are the no. 1 boxing country in Asia. They have more champs overall than any other country in the region and also has a very long history.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL::::vd: Oh boyQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
Do you even know how many Japanese fighters fought outside of Japan this year? They only recognize WBA and WBC as legitimate international championship belt. Yeah, that's #1 boxing country in asia. :rolleyes:
Not yet, but they care enough to have 2 gold medalists in the '08 summer Olympics, and their Super HW won the silver, along with their welterweight representative winning bronze. Boxing in China may be in it's infancy but even the Duva's recognize the potential and have already gotten involved. American boxing promoter Dino Duva brings China to the ringQuote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
And why do you even think Arum, King, and yes Oscar himself is interested in the Chinese market? Maybe because it is the no. 2 economy in the world and also because boxing is a major growing sport and has just established the Chinese Boxing Association.Boxing in China To Boom: Nation Hails its 60th Birthday - Boxing News
As far as longevity no way. Oscar was spoon fed and in massive spotlight during & straight out of Olympics and every single fight was televised. Manny vs Oscar was about Manny catapulting off the Oscar name into different fame bracket and marketing as much if not more then it was about skill vs skill viable boxer. Manny has hit massive western world stride off it and it's great to see for sport but Oscars on another level long term.
@generalbulldog
IMO i guess Thailand has more solid champions than Japan if talking asia in the past 10 or 15 years. well it could be debated.
Yes chinese has potential still too young for the sport no solid history regarding boxing, well they got silver and even Gold, like Audley Harisson had.;D
Well ODLH also attended events in Spain, Germany, Mexico and Australia that I can recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMick the Grammy's are American though, of course an American boxer will be more popular in America! Manny's global fanbase is rapdily growing however.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I'm would say it's a fair bet that Manny is more popular than Oscar across Asia and seeing as that continent holds well over half the entire world's population I reckon he wins.
What other boxer in the world could fight in a country not his own, against a fighter also not from that country and put on the biggest PPV fight of the year there?
Pac is massive. He may not go to the Grammy's but he does hang out with his country's president!
ODLH was the poster child for boxing. I think Diz hit it dead on with his post and Spicoli sealed the deal.
Pac was catapulted to another bracket after he fought ODLH.
Spot on Spicoli...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Its a shame but unless the normal media outlets pick up on a storyline and run with it the general public know little about all of the greats.
Look at Ali, Oscar cant surpass him, Ali has generations of fans pulled in by media backing outside of boxing circles who have bought into his story.
In one decades time many of Alis fans will have died along with him and I doubt the new born ones will know or be told of him. Mannys general popularity could grow yet in areas outside of boxing, I wouldn't write him off just yet. If the media buy into his as yet unwritten story.He is cashed up,smart,and he is compassionate and giving, I think big things will happen around him for years to come.
I think history will remember Manny Pacquiao far more than De La HoyaQuote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickWell ODLH also attended events in Spain, Germany, Mexico and Australia that I can recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMick the Grammy's are American though, of course an American boxer will be more popular in America! Manny's global fanbase is rapdily growing however.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I'm would say it's a fair bet that Manny is more popular than Oscar across Asia and seeing as that continent holds well over half the entire world's population I reckon he wins.
What other boxer in the world could fight in a country not his own, against a fighter also not from that country and put on the biggest PPV fight of the year there?
Pac is massive. He may not go to the Grammy's but he does hang out with his country's president!
ODLH was the poster child for boxing. I think Diz hit it dead on with his post and Spicoli sealed the deal.
Pac was catapulted to another bracket after he fought ODLH.
Spot on Spicoli...Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I would tend to agree with that and i wouldn't be surprised of Pacquiao-Mayweather (admitting it happens) could have more PPV than Mayweather-DLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMick the Grammy's are American though, of course an American boxer will be more popular in America! Manny's global fanbase is rapdily growing however.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I'm would say it's a fair bet that Manny is more popular than Oscar across Asia and seeing as that continent holds well over half the entire world's population I reckon he wins.
What other boxer in the world could fight in a country not his own, against a fighter also not from that country and put on the biggest PPV fight of the year there?
Pac is massive. He may not go to the Grammy's but he does hang out with his country's president!
I find it funny that people equate "popularity" to what is accomplished just in the ring. While that certainly may hold true for boxing/sports fans...an even bigger component of what makes an athlete incredibly popular outside of the realm of their particular sport...is how they are marketed. How you are marketed comes down to basically two things aside from your sport specific skill. it comes down to your persona and looks. How easily marketable can an athlete be...can their look/personality SELL things or get people who are normally not interested that particular sport to get excited about the athlete and the products they endorse. There have been just a handful of athletes that have had that tremendous cross over appeal. People like David Beckham and Michael Jordan come immediately to mind. Those are athletes that almost anyone...whether here in the states or in Africa...will instantly recognize. Not only because of their on field accomplishments, but as much for how widely marketed they are (commercials, endorsements, clothing, etc.). In boxing, it is particularly rare to find superstars with that kind of cross over appeal. Oscar and Sugar Ray Leonard (to a lesser extent)...are the boxers in the last two decades that have attained that kind of popularity. Pac certainly is popular among boxing fans and is obviously a supersar in his hometown. But he is nowhere close to being a global superstar. He simply cannot be marketed the same way as someone like Oscar. Not now and probably not ever.
Pacquiao will have to wear thong and fishnet stockings to match Oscar's popularity. :-X
fuck, Nameless is agreeing with me...I change my mind :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by NamelessI would tend to agree with that and i wouldn't be surprised of Pacquiao-Mayweather (admitting it happens) could have more PPV than Mayweather-DLH.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMick the Grammy's are American though, of course an American boxer will be more popular in America! Manny's global fanbase is rapdily growing however.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I'm would say it's a fair bet that Manny is more popular than Oscar across Asia and seeing as that continent holds well over half the entire world's population I reckon he wins.
What other boxer in the world could fight in a country not his own, against a fighter also not from that country and put on the biggest PPV fight of the year there?
Pac is massive. He may not go to the Grammy's but he does hang out with his country's president!
I think Pac is more known in Asia then Oscar is, I dont think that is up for debate. In america I think Oscar is still up there but their fight gave Pac more popularity then it gave Oscar. Oscar was more popular going into the fight but Pac putting on that kind of performance infront of millions of fans and people who knew Oscar. Those who knew Oscar now know Pac.
I dont get how some are saying pac is only big in the Philippines? Not only does the Philippines take pride in Pac but so does many of the other countries in ASIA. MMA have always been big in ASIA and if you follow the MMA world, many will mention boxing only because of guess who -> PACMAN!
I think anybody who gets a visit from a man like Denzel Washington is pretty damn special. ;D
Brilliant... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
I can just about lock this thread up after this post.
Very well put...
For the record Oscar De La Hoya has NEVER been a household name in Britain. None of my nonboxing friends will have a clue who he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickBrilliant... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
I can just about lock this thread up after this post.
Very well put...
He's huge in America, and may well be in Spanish speaking countries to that share a heritage with Mexico I don't know. But globally (in britain at least) he's not even close to a Mike Tyson or Roberto Duran or an Ali imo.
the main reason why pacquiao is like God-like in his country is because they don't have any sports stars there! if the philippines had multiple megasports stars, do you think he'd be as popular as he is now? of course he wouldn't. those poor people, until now, had nobody to cheer for. it's good that pacquiao arrived in the philippines because that was basically a dead country, sports wise.
here in the U.S., we can pick from hundreds of sports stars in baseball, hockey, football, boxing, basketball and others. boxing isn't a mainstream sport here anymore. boxers like mike tyson, muhammad ali, oscar, sugar ray leonard are household names and pacquiao will never have the popularity of these four boxers. the only ones who know pacquiao here are boxing fans and his filipino fans. maybe pacquiao is more recognized in asia, big deal! the U.S. is the mecca of boxing and this is where popularity counts the most because this is where the biggest fans live and where the boxing money is.
This is very interesting about Oscar not being a household name there. Considering that Britain has a very good history in boxing and this is where modern boxing originated.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboFor the record Oscar De La Hoya has NEVER been a household name in Britain. None of my nonboxing friends will have a clue who he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickBrilliant... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
I can just about lock this thread up after this post.
Very well put...
He's huge in America, and may well be in Spanish speaking countries to that share a heritage with Mexico I don't know. But globally (in britain at least) he's not even close to a Mike Tyson or Roberto Duran or an Ali imo.
Boxing really isn't that big over here any more sadly. The two overseas fighters that everybody knows are Tyson and Holyfield. Then it would be Leonard, Hagler, Duran and Hearns.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogThis is very interesting about Oscar not being a household name there. Considering that Britain has a very good history in boxing and this is where modern boxing originated.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboFor the record Oscar De La Hoya has NEVER been a household name in Britain. None of my nonboxing friends will have a clue who he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickBrilliant... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by zhubin
I can just about lock this thread up after this post.
Very well put...
He's huge in America, and may well be in Spanish speaking countries to that share a heritage with Mexico I don't know. But globally (in britain at least) he's not even close to a Mike Tyson or Roberto Duran or an Ali imo.
De La Hoya, Jones Jr, Hopkins are not really big names. Actually Hopkins and Jones Jr are better known over here as they fought Calzaghe.
Pacqauio isn't a big name either to be fair. You go down the average high street and ask people who Oscar and Manny are. Not many will have a clue. EVERYONE will know who Tyson is.
Oh and Ali of course, and Foreman, possibly Frazier.
Sugar Ray Robinson is less well known than any of those heavyweight guys.
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Originally Posted by milmascaras1
i feel like you are looking down at filipinos. pac isnt the only one who had brought pride to the philippines.
Bowler Rafael "Paeng" Nepomuceno, for being the "Greatest Filipino Athlete of All Time", "Athlete of the Century", and "International Bowling Athlete of the Millennium"; for receiving the prestigious International Olympic Committee (IOC) President's Trophy; for winning over 100 tournaments, including four World Cups and two other prestigious international titles; for winning an Asiad gold medal; and for still being an active player
Shooter Jethro "the Jet" Dionisio, for being considered the world's fastest shooter and for being a six-time world champion in pistol shooting; and for still being an active player
Billiard player Efren "Bata" Reyes, for being declared as the best billiard player of all time; for winning the World 8-Ball championship five times; for clinching the 1999 World 9-Ball title; for winning over 100 international tournaments; and for still being an active player
the philippines also has the best pool players in the world.
there are tons of athletes here in the philippines that is doing great worldwide.
now going back to the topic, pac is not as popular as odlh. looks plays a huge factor too and pac is nowhere near as handsome as odlh.
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mnmc10Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
i feel like you are looking down at filipinos. pac isnt the only one who had brought pride to the philippines.
Bowler Rafael "Paeng" Nepomuceno, for being the "Greatest Filipino Athlete of All Time", "Athlete of the Century", and "International Bowling Athlete of the Millennium"; for receiving the prestigious International Olympic Committee (IOC) President's Trophy; for winning over 100 tournaments, including four World Cups and two other prestigious international titles; for winning an Asiad gold medal; and for still being an active player
Shooter Jethro "the Jet" Dionisio, for being considered the world's fastest shooter and for being a six-time world champion in pistol shooting; and for still being an active player
Billiard player Efren "Bata" Reyes, for being declared as the best billiard player of all time; for winning the World 8-Ball championship five times; for clinching the 1999 World 9-Ball title; for winning over 100 international tournaments; and for still being an active player
the philippines also has the best pool players in the world.
there are tons of athletes here in the philippines that is doing great worldwide.
now going back to the topic, pac is not as popular as odlh. looks plays a huge factor too and pac is nowhere near as handsome as odlh.
When Oscar lost his fans were still behind him. They still loved him and his haters still hated him. When Pac loses you will see a drop big time. Especially on this forum and many other forums where Pac Land obsessions rave an rant on the internet. Most of his fans will diminish and 20yrs from now he will just be like Barry Bonds with a huge asterisk.....if not for roids...for beating people on there way out. Maybe a *Catch Weight / Weight Drain Asterisk. (: Can't wait to see his little lovers come to his defense in about 30 seconds lol