Re: Ali v Holmes documentary
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Watching Ali v Holmes documentary on ESPN and was interested in seeing Tim Witherspoon as Ali's sparring partner, also saw that Snowell, who was said to be Witherspoons friend. He was the gimp that became Tyson's friend and leech and infamously but a balloon in Tyson's eye to stop the swelling against Buster Douglas.
Also showed Holmes building his house and still with his wife, great man and champ.
Ali had a moustache in training and was slowing deteriorating physically, it was sad. they said he starting taking Thyroid tablets nearer the fight where he lost weight but also could not do more than 4 rounds or run. Very sad, reminding me of Shane v Pac Man in a weird way.
Do not know if anyone watched it but these were my thoughts.
Yeah I remember Snowell being there for the ALi camp. He already knew how to be a leech in 1980 and would do the same with Tyson in 1990.
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Most of Ali's camp were leeching off him too, do not buy into the fact they were looking after him. Angelo could have done more and pulled Ali out earlier.
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Ive wanted to see this for a while but I cant find it anywhere:(
Re: Ali v Holmes documentary
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Ive wanted to see this for a while but I cant find it anywhere:(
It was on ESPN classic recorded it but not had the chance to watch it until now.
It was like a boxing 24/7 but the film maker said none of the companies wanted to show it.
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the documentary was on 1 of the espn channels in the uk a little while back. i enjoyed it, holmes came across as a nice bloke.
Re: Ali v Holmes documentary
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armyash
the documentary was on 1 of the espn channels in the uk a little while back. i enjoyed it, holmes came across as a nice bloke.
Classic or 1 same thing. :)
You are right Larry did come across as a good person. did not rubbish Ali and did not realise but he was crying after he beat him in the dressing room.
Re: Ali v Holmes documentary
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Master
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armyash
the documentary was on 1 of the espn channels in the uk a little while back. i enjoyed it, holmes came across as a nice bloke.
Classic or 1 same thing. :)
You are right Larry did come across as a good person. did not rubbish Ali and did not realise but he was crying after he beat him in the dressing room.
meant one of ;)
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Anybody got a link to this documentary???
Sounds very interesting.
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Muhammad And Larry - Download
I found two links to it here, it took me a while to download it though. I thought Ali and Holmes both came out of the documentary looking like good people. Neither of them deserved to go through what they did.
The guy who said "because Ali's a Muslim he has a body of a 28 year old". I wanted to punch in the face the blood sucking leech! poor Ali had the body and reflexes of more like a 48 or 58 year old man by that point.
Re: Ali v Holmes documentary
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Mctaggert
Muhammad And Larry - Download
I found two links to it here, it took me a while to download it though. I thought Ali and Holmes both came out of the documentary looking like good people. Neither of them deserved to go through what they did.
The guy who said "because Ali's a Muslim he has a body of a 28 year old". I wanted to punch in the face the blood sucking leech! poor Ali had the body and reflexes of more like a 48 or 58 year old man by that point.
Yes I agree I guess that's what you call a loyal friend standing there watching your friend for years train for a fight he was not up to.
I was wondering could this Ali beat the Fraiser of that time?
Re: Ali v Holmes documentary
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Originally Posted by
Master
Watching Ali v Holmes documentary on ESPN and was interested in seeing Tim Witherspoon as Ali's sparring partner, also saw that Snowell, who was said to be Witherspoons friend. He was the gimp that became Tyson's friend and leech and infamously but a balloon in Tyson's eye to stop the swelling against Buster Douglas.
Also showed Holmes building his house and still with his wife, great man and champ.
Ali had a moustache in training and was slowing deteriorating physically, it was sad. they said he starting taking Thyroid tablets nearer the fight where he lost weight but also could not do more than 4 rounds or run. Very sad, reminding me of Shane v Pac Man in a weird way.
Do not know if anyone watched it but these were my thoughts.
It was earlier said by one of the people in that training camp and i've seen this on an Ali documentary but it slips my mind, but there was another fighter in Ali's camp I forget his name but he was a lightweight i believe. But he said when Ali tried to imply to him that they were Thyroid tablets, that he was very up front with Ali that he knew they were not thyroid tablets, they were L-dopa, which was used to treat parkinson's syndrome, because his father had used those kinds of pills so he is very familiar with them. So that it dawned on him that "my god this guy has parkinsons and is still fighting?"
That makes it even worse.
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I've heard this story so many times, but it still staggers me that Ali was granted a licence to fight.
He didn't require any neurological tests to decipher that he had a problem, anyone could see that the life & expression had diminished from his face & his speech was much quieter & slurred.
Larry Holmes also showed what am amiable guy he is & what a class act he is after all.
Larry's wife said that it was as if Larry had dropped off the face of the Earth, as nobody talked about him any more.
Poor Larry has always lived in Ali's shadow & even now, when he gets some limelight, it's about his fight with Ali.
Re: Ali v Holmes documentary
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Master
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armyash
the documentary was on 1 of the espn channels in the uk a little while back. i enjoyed it, holmes came across as a nice bloke.
Classic or 1 same thing. :)
You are right Larry did come across as a good person. did not rubbish Ali and did not realise but he was crying after he beat him in the dressing room.
I'll look out for this. Only thing is, though i respect he was a great fighter, every time i've come across Larry Holmes he always seemed to come across as a bit of a tit. I once saw him being interviewed and when he was asked about Ali he just wanted to talk about how much better he was and how he would have beaten Ali at any point.
I will definitely look out for this though, hopefully it can change my view on this great champion.
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rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
Master
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armyash
the documentary was on 1 of the espn channels in the uk a little while back. i enjoyed it, holmes came across as a nice bloke.
Classic or 1 same thing. :)
You are right Larry did come across as a good person. did not rubbish Ali and did not realise but he was crying after he beat him in the dressing room.
I'll look out for this. Only thing is, though i respect he was a great fighter, every time i've come across Larry Holmes he always seemed to come across as a bit of a tit. I once saw him being interviewed and when he was asked about Ali he just wanted to talk about how much better he was and how he would have beaten Ali at any point.
I will definitely look out for this though, hopefully it can change my view on this great champion.
Holmes is very bitter. He also downplay and tried to diminish George Forman's accomplishments in the sport.
It's funny you mentioned it, because I remember I saw this video yesterday and Holmes is talking bad about Foreman's accomplishment. He's basically downplaying Foreman being the oldest HW champ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zobQcUAKohA
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generalbulldog
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rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
armyash
the documentary was on 1 of the espn channels in the uk a little while back. i enjoyed it, holmes came across as a nice bloke.
Classic or 1 same thing. :)
You are right Larry did come across as a good person. did not rubbish Ali and did not realise but he was crying after he beat him in the dressing room.
I'll look out for this. Only thing is, though i respect he was a great fighter, every time i've come across Larry Holmes he always seemed to come across as a bit of a tit. I once saw him being interviewed and when he was asked about Ali he just wanted to talk about how much better he was and how he would have beaten Ali at any point.
I will definitely look out for this though, hopefully it can change my view on this great champion.
Holmes is very bitter. He also downplay and tried to diminish George Forman's accomplishments in the sport.
It's funny you mentioned it, because I remember I saw this video yesterday and Holmes is talking bad about Foreman's accomplishment. He's basically downplaying Foreman being the oldest HW champ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zobQcUAKohA
Hasn't Holmes always been bitter about Foreman because Foreman wouldn't get in the ring with him? To an extent I think that is understandable. I think Holmes was a very good champion in his own right, but he definitely has a bit of a chip on his shoulder about not getting the same kind of recognition that other fighters of the 70's recieved. He was right inbetween that golden period and the advent of Tyson.
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miles
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generalbulldog
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rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
armyash
the documentary was on 1 of the espn channels in the uk a little while back. i enjoyed it, holmes came across as a nice bloke.
Classic or 1 same thing. :)
You are right Larry did come across as a good person. did not rubbish Ali and did not realise but he was crying after he beat him in the dressing room.
I'll look out for this. Only thing is, though i respect he was a great fighter, every time i've come across Larry Holmes he always seemed to come across as a bit of a tit. I once saw him being interviewed and when he was asked about Ali he just wanted to talk about how much better he was and how he would have beaten Ali at any point.
I will definitely look out for this though, hopefully it can change my view on this great champion.
Holmes is very bitter. He also downplay and tried to diminish George Forman's accomplishments in the sport.
It's funny you mentioned it, because I remember I saw this video yesterday and Holmes is talking bad about Foreman's accomplishment. He's basically downplaying Foreman being the oldest HW champ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zobQcUAKohA
Hasn't Holmes always been bitter about Foreman because Foreman wouldn't get in the ring with him? To an extent I think that is understandable. I think Holmes was a very good champion in his own right, but he definitely has a bit of a chip on his shoulder about not getting the same kind of recognition that other fighters of the 70's recieved. He was right inbetween that golden period and the advent of Tyson.
Then that's Holmes fault. He shouldn't have started his pro career so late as in 1973 and was still fighting bums until 1978. By that time Ali and Frazier were both shot fighters and Foreman was already retired the 1st time and Shavers and Norton were seriously on the decline along with very good contenders like Chuvalo and Quarry either retired or were done. Holmes is the same age as Foreman both born in 1949 but yet Foreman started his career in the 1960s and fought every top HW out there in the 70s.
And let's be honest now, while Holmes is a very good champ he wouldn't have come out of that HW era unscathed and undefeated if he started his career the same time as Foreman and fought the same opposition as he did. If Holmes wants to be bitter then maybe he should look at himself first instead of talking bad about other fighters like Foreman, ALi, Tyson, Holyfield, Marciano. For it was he that started his career at 24 and still fought bums until the age of 29 in the late 70s. Maybe that's why he's not so remembered.
Re: Ali v Holmes documentary
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generalbulldog
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miles
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Originally Posted by
generalbulldog
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Originally Posted by
rjj tszyu
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Originally Posted by
Master
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Originally Posted by
armyash
the documentary was on 1 of the espn channels in the uk a little while back. i enjoyed it, holmes came across as a nice bloke.
Classic or 1 same thing. :)
You are right Larry did come across as a good person. did not rubbish Ali and did not realise but he was crying after he beat him in the dressing room.
I'll look out for this. Only thing is, though i respect he was a great fighter, every time i've come across Larry Holmes he always seemed to come across as a bit of a tit. I once saw him being interviewed and when he was asked about Ali he just wanted to talk about how much better he was and how he would have beaten Ali at any point.
I will definitely look out for this though, hopefully it can change my view on this great champion.
Holmes is very bitter. He also downplay and tried to diminish George Forman's accomplishments in the sport.
It's funny you mentioned it, because I remember I saw this video yesterday and Holmes is talking bad about Foreman's accomplishment. He's basically downplaying Foreman being the oldest HW champ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zobQcUAKohA
Hasn't Holmes always been bitter about Foreman because Foreman wouldn't get in the ring with him? To an extent I think that is understandable. I think Holmes was a very good champion in his own right, but he definitely has a bit of a chip on his shoulder about not getting the same kind of recognition that other fighters of the 70's recieved. He was right inbetween that golden period and the advent of Tyson.
Then that's Holmes fault. He shouldn't have started his pro career so late as in 1973 and was still fighting bums until 1978. By that time Ali and Frazier were both shot fighters and Foreman was already retired the 1st time and Shavers and Norton were seriously on the decline along with very good contenders like Chuvalo and Quarry either retired or were done. Holmes is the same age as Foreman both born in 1949 but yet Foreman started his career in the 1960s and fought every top HW out there in the 70s.
And let's be honest now, while Holmes is a very good champ he wouldn't have come out of that HW era unscathed and undefeated if he started his career the same time as Foreman and fought the same opposition as he did. If Holmes wants to be bitter then maybe he should look at himself first instead of talking bad about other fighters like Foreman, ALi, Tyson, Holyfield, Marciano. For it was he that started his career at 24 and still fought bums until the age of 29 in the late 70s. Maybe that's why he's not so remembered.
Good post.
I'd never realised they were so close in age. It's probably like you say because he fought nobodies for so long whilst Foreman was blowing people like Frazier, Norton and Lyle etc away and that era was truly great, whereas Holmes only started to fight the best out there when the cream had gone. I do think Foreman would have KO'd Holmes too, whether they fought in the 70's or the 90's.
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No body knocks out a prime Holmes. Larry would have beaten George in the late 70's if George was fighting and the late 90's.
Re: Ali v Holmes documentary
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Originally Posted by
Mctaggert
Muhammad And Larry - Download
I found two links to it here, it took me a while to download it though. I thought Ali and Holmes both came out of the documentary looking like good people. Neither of them deserved to go through what they did.
The guy who said "because Ali's a Muslim he has a body of a 28 year old". I wanted to punch in the face the blood sucking leech! poor Ali had the body and reflexes of more like a 48 or 58 year old man by that point.
Hi mate
Thanks for the link
I downloaded one of the links but as I open it it says I need to download somthing for the sound.
Any ideas???
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Larry Holmes has a right to bitch, he's the Rodney Dangerfield of Boxing..no respect I tell ya. They even had Cooney come into the ring second, like he was the fricken champ...my opinion:Holmes gives Foreman a boxing lesson. Just like Shavers.
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Holmes should have retired after beating Mercer, he got real respect schooling the undefeated gold medalist.
