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Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Boxing - Marquez-Morales in April?
I have to say, this is just as bad as Pacquiao fighting Mosley. At least Morales is coming off a win I suppose, but for me this is just a gimme to keep Marquez winning for Pacquiao. The fight is at 135.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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bzkfn
Boxing - Marquez-Morales in April?
I have to say, this is just as bad as Pacquiao fighting Mosley. At least Morales is coming off a win I suppose, but for me this is just a gimme to keep Marquez winning for Pacquiao. The fight is at 135.
Who promoting this fight?
Morales is not going to be so easy but I do believe JMM will win. But why this fight? This fight is not going to raise JMM stock any unless it's a fight of the year canny. JMM should be fight someone in the 140 division.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
I can't pretend that I am happy that this fight is coming off now. Five years ago, sure. But in 2010? Morales isn't at this kind of level any more and wasn't even when he first retired.
Just as I am critical of Pac/Mosley, I am critical of this fight too. A battle worn fighter against an experienced fighter who is still at the top of his division. It probably isn't the best way to go about getting Pac in the ring either. It is a valid point that unless Marquez actually shows something at 140 then why should Manny bother considering a fight with him. I have no issues with Marquez staying at 135, but if he is that hungry for Manny you would at least expect him to jump up one final weight for a couple of end of career fights and the possibility of a fight with Manny.
No, not a fight I can get excited about. I think Marquez stops Morales at this stage.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
bullshit fight in reality, same as Mosley/Pacquiao, i've not watch one fight of Morales' comeback and that's because i don't agree with it, he should be retired not clutching at what used to be, same as Barrera, Holyfield, etc.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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bzkfn
Boxing - Marquez-Morales in April?
I have to say, this is just as bad as Pacquiao fighting Mosley. At least Morales is coming off a win I suppose, but for me this is just a gimme to keep Marquez winning for Pacquiao. The fight is at 135.
Who promoting this fight?
Morales is not going to be so easy but I do believe JMM will win. But why this fight? This fight is not going to raise JMM stock any unless it's a fight of the year canny. JMM should be fight someone in the 140 division.
Golden Boy. I agree with every reply in this thread thus far.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Sorry just saw 135, can Morales make this weight? Why the hell did he fight Limond who is a 135 lb fighter at 147?
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.
A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Good points, Fightnews themselves don't mention any weight. Maybe this is Marquez testing out 140 then? Unless Morales has decided to train properly for a fight of this magnitude and move down to 135? All quite curious.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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GAME
Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.
A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.
Far from owned mate I thought that fight was a robbery.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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GAME
Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.
A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.
Far from owned mate I thought that fight was a robbery.
To have a close fight with David Diaz is as good as ownage. The point I was making is that Morales was far from his peak even back then so I cant see how he is going to have any chance in this fight at all.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.
A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.
Far from owned mate I thought that fight was a robbery.
To have a close fight with David Diaz is as good as ownage. The point I was making is that Morales was far from his peak even back then so I cant see how he is going to have any chance in this fight at all.
a fresher Soto had a "close" fight with Diaz, Morales won that fight against Diaz by AT LEAST 3 rounds plus the extra point for the 1st round knockdown, it wasn't close by any means, highway robbery
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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Good points, Fightnews themselves don't mention any weight. Maybe this is Marquez testing out 140 then? Unless Morales has decided to train properly for a fight of this magnitude and move down to 135? All quite curious.
Just to confirm this is at 135...
Juan Manuel Marquez-Erik Morales is Close For April 16 - Boxing News
They mention Morales will be able to challenge for a 4th divisional title. Unless someone is vacating a 140lb belt, then this must be at 135lbs.
Just to touch on what ElTerrible & GAME are talking about, I've had this conversation with ElTerrible quite a few times, and I had Morales a 9 rounds to 3 winner plus the knockdown in that fight with David Diaz. It wasn't even remotely close. That is truly one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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miles
Good points, Fightnews themselves don't mention any weight. Maybe this is Marquez testing out 140 then? Unless Morales has decided to train properly for a fight of this magnitude and move down to 135? All quite curious.
Just to confirm this is at 135...
Juan Manuel Marquez-Erik Morales is Close For April 16 - Boxing News
They mention Morales will be able to challenge for a 4th divisional title. Unless someone is vacating a 140lb belt, then this must be at 135lbs.
Just to touch on what ElTerrible & GAME are talking about, I've had this conversation with ElTerrible quite a few times, and I had Morales a 9 rounds to 3 winner plus the knockdown in that fight with David Diaz. It wasn't even remotely close. That is truly one of the worst decisions I've ever seen.
No, I am in agreement. Morales beat Diaz quite clearly. It wasn't a particularly close fight, though it had its moments.
So, 135. Fair enough, but another gimme fight with no real intentions of pursuing Pacman. I will get off the Marquez crusade then. I wanted to see the fight, but seeing as Marquez is taking easy money fights too, then I cannot defend one fighter over the other.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Hate it. Marquez is very much on his a game while Morales has seen it pass him by long ago. I think Marquez will have his way and pin point all night, come about round 7,8 he'll really start to dislike doing it to a fellow great.
I've been one not terribly critical of Manny vs Mosley. While Mosley is not what he was he is far from getting dropped, staggered or just beaten up in any fashion over last few. He's been widely beaten by one of the premier guys in the sport, something Jmm can also say but even then he had him reeling, albeit for a moment. Mora? Who ever choose that 'style' for Shane should be slapped silly.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
I doubt Morales will make 135.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
This is sad and wrong on so many levels. This should not be allowed unless it is at welterweight. :)
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Bad fight, i think Marquez stops him in 8-9 rounds. This fight was made strictly on the money it can produce. It would do extremely well in Mexico if thats were they decide to have it. As far as him moving up to prove to Pacquiao that he deserves the fight, i think he realises he's not going to get that fight no matter what. And if he did it would be 2 years down the line, when he is much older. I have no problem with this fight as long as he goes on to fight Soto, or Guerrero at 135 after that. Or jumps up to 140 and fighs some of the guys up there.
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Morales is completely shot and will take a beating. Mid round TKO for Marquez.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Marquez is such a chicken shit for making this fight at 135lbs. At least he could have gone to 140. Morales could have given him some problems at 140lbs staying on the outside but at 135 he won't have any stamina. This fight will be over before the 6th round.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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GAME
Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.
A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.
I don't think this is a good fight now but I also don't think that Diaz owned Morales either!
Prime for prime I'd go with Erik but now he is a lot more shopworn of the 2 and will get beaten easily IMO.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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fan johnny
Marquez is such a chicken shit for making this fight at 135lbs. At least he could have gone to 140. Morales could have given him some problems at 140lbs staying on the outside but at 135 he won't have any stamina. This fight will be over before the 6th round.
ummm Morales himself said he wants a title at 135 and has mentioned he wanted Marquez
Marquez and chicken don't belong in the same sentence, you don't have a track record like his being a chicken shit, Morales is done and Marquez would school him at any weight at this point, if it was Morales in his prime than obviously he'd be my pick but it's far from that, and from what i've read he barely won his last fight at 140, Marquez is going to seriously hurt Morales, and the fact that this fight is even being made is a joke, but at least it's not as bad as Khan looking to fight the same Morales
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
JMM should win this fight, it would be a huge upset if Eric gets a W over JMM at this point of his career.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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GAME
Id be surprised if Morales could make 135. He got owned by Diaz at that weight years ago and has only got worse since. Marquez isnt going to prove anything in this fight but wants to cash in and get another faded name on his record.
A decade ago it would have been a good fight. Morales would give as good as he got and had the edge over Marquez IMO. Juan would try to slow it down but Erik could raise the tempo and win exchanges. Now though he would be too slow and weight drained. Marquez will do exactly what he wants when he wants and finish it in the middle rounds.
I don't think this is a good fight now but I also don't think that Diaz owned Morales either!
Prime for prime I'd go with Erik but now he is a lot more shopworn of the 2 and will get beaten easily IMO.
Prime for prime I go for Erik too. The ownage statement was to say that if he couldnt beat Diaz back then then why would he be able to beat Marquez now. Whether he deserved to win or not he lost to a guy he would have smashed in his prime but I wish him well vs JMM and it would serve Marquez right if he lost for trying to pick on washed up leftovers. Same for Pac if he lost to Mosley. Never write greats off cuz they might just be able to pull off 1 last great win ( even though thats exactly what Im doing in writing off Mosley and Morales in their next fights )
Its true that all fighters have 1 last great win in them but Magarito was Shanes and Pac was Morales'. With Mexican pride on the line Morales will not go down easy though. Marquez will be in for the fight of his life even if Morales cant pull the trigger anymore he will certainly give it his all and leave it all in the ring. I dont expect him to sit it out winking in this one after 3 rounds. He will take Marquez to the trenches before he is done I and with a bit of luck fortune goes his way with a cut or something that puts Juan off his game and makes it a more competative fight. Hope we get to see it.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
I'm gonna pick Morales, just because nobody thinks he can win and I'll look like a genius if he does.:p
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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No Contest
I'm gonna pick Morales, just because nobody thinks he can win and I'll look like a genius if he does.:p
What if he loses? :-\
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Nobody will remember I said that. ;)
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
This fight is much, much worse than Pac - Mosley. Waaaay more of a mismatch. JMM is a bit past his best IMO, but Morales hasn't been a top-tier fighter for about five years.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
Morales is catching alot of flak, he hasn't lost on this comeback. Sometimes a year or two off is good for fighters, lets them rejuvinate, heal up. I just hope he trains to his fullest then I expect a good fight, but I know Marquez is gonna be pressing from the get go. Can Morales counter and move enough, I dunno...If Morales works his jab Marquez may have more problems than people wanna think. Ala Mayweather.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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No Contest
Morales is catching alot of flak, he hasn't lost on this comeback. Sometimes a year or two off is good for fighters, lets them rejuvinate, heal up. I just hope he trains to his fullest then I expect a good fight, but I know Marquez is gonna be pressing from the get go. Can Morales counter and move enough, I dunno...If Morales works his jab Marquez may have more problems than people wanna think. Ala Mayweather.
Morales does not have the resistance to take on the best fighters in the world today, he has only fought C level fighters so far in his comeback.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
This fight is wrong on all levels. JMM is still world class Morales is déclassé at this stage...
I'm hoping Morales doesn't get seriously hurt and retires but seriously I doubt it. Fighters like Morales have too much heart and need to be protected from themselves. I can't believe he's being licensed to take this beating.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
This fight should make a crap load of money and put fanny's ins seats due to the zealous Mexican following that will be turning out and tuning in... Nothing more nothing less..
100% business decesion.
All those groaning about this fight, tell me the last time JMM took a gimme fight???? (The sound of crickets will be pretty long on that question)
JMM deserves this fight and this pay day
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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This fight should make a crap load of money and put fanny's ins seats due to the zealous Mexican following that will be turning out and tuning in... Nothing more nothing less..
100% business decesion.
All those groaning about this fight, tell me the last time JMM took a gimme fight???? (The sound of crickets will be pretty long on that question)
JMM deserves this fight and this pay day
Did Margarito deserve a final payday is an obvious comparison to make and yet Manny thought he did.
At least Morales is a former great with no tainted scandals on his hands and nothing less than a will to fight.
I am not in favour of it though as I don't want to see Morales hurt. But if anyone deserves a payday, it is Marquez and shame on Manny for avoiding his toughest opponent.
That way the fans could have got something and the fighters too. All we have here is current fighters beating up on nostalgic past fighters. No fun in that really.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
The words Marquez and chicken shit have never occupied the same room. 135-140 it dont matter...Morales legs wont keep up with his heart, he'll be stationary.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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JT Rock
This fight should make a crap load of money and put fanny's ins seats due to the zealous Mexican following that will be turning out and tuning in... Nothing more nothing less..
100% business decesion.
All those groaning about this fight, tell me the last time JMM took a gimme fight???? (The sound of crickets will be pretty long on that question)
JMM deserves this fight and this pay day
You have an irish flag but your are obviously not from Ireland or Britain because fanny means something different over here;D
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
This is a crappy fight. I agree with everyone on this thread that is posting as much. I don't agree that Marquez hasn't taken a gimme in a while. I thought his last two opponents were pretty much gimme fights. Kastidis is a warrior and he fought Marquez after losing his brother, but outside of Sydney, no one in their right mind thought he had a chance in that fight. And Diaz v. Marquez II was a completely gimme fight to get Marquez back in the win column after being dominated from pillar to pillar by Floyd. To me, this is his third fight where he is fighting an opponent that has little to no chance at winning and where he isn't challenging himself. There were many other fights that I would have rather seen him take. Soooo many. Berto, Bradley/Alexander, Khan, Soto, Rios, and I mean that is just the beginning.
All that said, it's not like Marquez hasn't earned this. He has. Same way Pacquiao and Cotto have. If they want to take uncompetitive fights simply for the money, they've earned it. But, it doesn't mean we have to be happy about their choices.
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Re: Juan Manuel Marquez vs. Erik Morales close for April 16th 2011, MGM Grand
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The words Marquez and chicken shit have never occupied the same room. 135-140 it dont matter...Morales legs wont keep up with his heart, he'll be stationary.
It matters to Morales. He hasn't fought below 140 in his last 3 fights. He does not need an additional disadvantage to what he already has.
I think this fight may be at JMM's terms since Morales should be the one desperate for this fight. Even at 140, I think Marquez wins this one so why not go for the higher weight to test himself and bring himself closer to a fight with Manny. If this fight is at 135, then it appears that he has relinguish his desire for that third fight.
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The words Marquez and chicken shit have never occupied the same room. 135-140 it dont matter...Morales legs wont keep up with his heart, he'll be stationary.
It matters to Morales. He hasn't fought below 140 in his last 3 fights. He does not need an additional disadvantage to what he already has.
I think this fight may be at JMM's terms since Morales should be the one desperate for this fight. Even at 140, I think Marquez wins this one so why not go for the higher weight to test himself and bring himself closer to a fight with Manny. If this fight is at 135, then it appears that he has relinguish his desire for that third fight.
Jmms a nice guy but it's not about doing favors for your opponent. 5 lbs either way on a past it fighter is lipstick on a pig. Marquez was out of his weight class and at least out weighed by 8-10 lbs unofficialy vs Mayweather. How much more testing does he need.
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The words Marquez and chicken shit have never occupied the same room. 135-140 it dont matter...Morales legs wont keep up with his heart, he'll be stationary.
It matters to Morales. He hasn't fought below 140 in his last 3 fights. He does not need an additional disadvantage to what he already has.
I think this fight may be at JMM's terms since Morales should be the one desperate for this fight. Even at 140, I think Marquez wins this one so why not go for the higher weight to test himself and bring himself closer to a fight with Manny. If this fight is at 135, then it appears that he has relinguish his desire for that third fight.
Jmms a nice guy but it's not about doing favors for your opponent. 5 lbs either way on a past it fighter is lipstick on a pig. Marquez was out of his weight class and at least out weighed by 8-10 lbs unofficialy vs Mayweather. How much more testing does he need.
I don't see the fight at 140 as JMM doing Erik a favor but rather giving himself the chance for a fight with Pacquiao. If he gave up on making that third fight, then he can fight at 135 anytime he wants.
The fight with Mayweather is above 140 and we know that he looked crap in that fight. We haven't seen him fight between 136 - 140 hence it would help if he gets tested in that weight division.
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Spicoli
The words Marquez and chicken shit have never occupied the same room. 135-140 it dont matter...Morales legs wont keep up with his heart, he'll be stationary.
It matters to Morales. He hasn't fought below 140 in his last 3 fights. He does not need an additional disadvantage to what he already has.
I think this fight may be at JMM's terms since Morales should be the one desperate for this fight. Even at 140, I think Marquez wins this one so why not go for the higher weight to test himself and bring himself closer to a fight with Manny. If this fight is at 135, then it appears that he has relinguish his desire for that third fight.
Jmms a nice guy but it's not about doing favors for your opponent. 5 lbs either way on a past it fighter is lipstick on a pig. Marquez was out of his weight class and at least out weighed by 8-10 lbs unofficialy vs Mayweather.
How much more testing does he need.
He was outclassed by the BEST fighter in the world. That does not mean he can't be effective above at 147 or moreso at 140. Right?
