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It's actually one of the better match-ups for Maravilla out there right now. It's better than Andy Lee or Zbik in my opinion assuming that Dzinziruk's skill translates to 160. What do you guys think about this bout?
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HBO is coming correct with the match-ups this year, huh? Bradley-Alexander, Donaire-Montiel, and now, Martinez-Dzinziruk. Not a bad start.
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Good match-upQuote:
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Good for Martinez and Dzinziruk
Good for HBO
Good for true fight fans.
Many don't know Dzin but Martinez is not going with the low risk/cash reward approach.
Is it at 160 for Martinez title or 154 for Dzin title?
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Good for Martinez and Dzinziruk
Good for HBO
Good for true fight fans.
Many don't know Dzin but Martinez is not going with the low risk/cash reward approach.
Is it at 160 for Martinez title or 154 for Dzin title?
160.
Not a bad fight....I mean in truth right now not as if 160 is over loaded with talent...Certainly better then a fight with Lee....I like Andy as a fighter and he brings some excitement but in my personal opinion he would not only get picked apart by Sergio he would be embaressed and for some reason I don't think Andy is mentally strong enough to handle that right now
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Williams I, Cintron, Pavlik, Williams II, and now Dzinziruk. That's why Sergio deserves his p4p ranking.
Ant is right that this isn't a low risk/high reward fight. Dzinziruk is undefeated for a reason. He's a southpaw with one of the better jabs in boxing and he has great fundamentals. He'll be a challenge. Sergio better not take training lightly.
I gotta say from what I nknow of his habits through the grapevine and the times I visited his open workouts the guy is one of those who seems to always be in shape and uses camp as more or less the way to fine tune etc.....Good habit for fighters to carry with especially ones in their mid 30's.......Though he does come off as a bit arrogant and it is hard to decifer between him being confident and cocky......Quote:
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When have you visited his open workouts?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI gotta say from what I nknow of his habits through the grapevine and the times I visited his open workouts the guy is one of those who seems to always be in shape and uses camp as more or less the way to fine tune etc.....Good habit for fighters to carry with especially ones in their mid 30's.......Though he does come off as a bit arrogant and it is hard to decifer between him being confident and cocky......Quote:
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I was at one for the Williams 1 fight, 1 for the Pavlik fight I was at the one he did at the 2010 HOF weekend....The one at the 2010 HOF I spent most of his workout with Butes team while they watched him taking notes on himQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWhen have you visited his open workouts?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI gotta say from what I nknow of his habits through the grapevine and the times I visited his open workouts the guy is one of those who seems to always be in shape and uses camp as more or less the way to fine tune etc.....Good habit for fighters to carry with especially ones in their mid 30's.......Though he does come off as a bit arrogant and it is hard to decifer between him being confident and cocky......Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
That sounds nuts. Did Bute's team give any insights?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI was at one for the Williams 1 fight, 1 for the Pavlik fight I was at the one he did at the 2010 HOF weekend....The one at the 2010 HOF I spent most of his workout with Butes team while they watched him taking notes on himQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWhen have you visited his open workouts?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI gotta say from what I nknow of his habits through the grapevine and the times I visited his open workouts the guy is one of those who seems to always be in shape and uses camp as more or less the way to fine tune etc.....Good habit for fighters to carry with especially ones in their mid 30's.......Though he does come off as a bit arrogant and it is hard to decifer between him being confident and cocky......Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
On a side note his camp is not all that open to conversation to the press when it comes to his preperations plans etc....He also does some interesting things in his workouts especially during his in ring time....They set up lines in the ring using bungee chords....Now many fighters use a string in one direction or even in both from rope to rope to use as a way for ducking and head movement exercises...Martinez team uses 8 to 10 of them and he moves in circles ducking each one and if he touches one he starts all over pretty impressive because before he has time to do anything but stand upright he has to duck again I seen him do it for 6 rounds once non stop....I think it really contributes to his ability to fight with his hands so low at times.....
I know I'm gonna be in the minority but I think Dzinziruk could give Sergio major problems with that jab. If Sergio has no problem getting past that jab, then he will probably get the better of any inside fighting. Also Dzinzurik is way conservative with his defense, you wont see him opening up like PW did when he got caught. Gonna be a close one on the cards I predict.
Sergio Martinez is the man, and has become my favorite fighter over the last year. Just goes and does his business no matter what, fights anyone, and when he gets shafted doesn't even bitch about it and classy as hell in victory. Hope he gets to rake in the big cash after this fight tho,because he's one fighter that definitely deserves it. This is a big risk low reward fight tho but I don't think martinez will be underestimating dzin, don't see him as that guy.
That is very interesting, Daxx. Thanks for sharing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
They think that Sergio would be taylor made for him actually at this stage of Butes career....The low hands would play into Lucians speed even though Sergio is quicker they think because Bute can fight going backwards he would not have to be the aggressor...... at the same time they think since Bute is bigger and he can land big shots going backwards Martinez being the aggressor would only be more helpful and they would not have to play a cat and mouse game with him....On that note though what they say and what they really think are two different things.....All I can say for sure is I don't think I have seen one fighter study another so closely as Bute was with Martinez unless they either had a bout coming up or were in the same weight class....Bute studied Martinez timing more then anything.....Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratThat sounds nuts. Did Bute's team give any insights?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI was at one for the Williams 1 fight, 1 for the Pavlik fight I was at the one he did at the 2010 HOF weekend....The one at the 2010 HOF I spent most of his workout with Butes team while they watched him taking notes on himQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWhen have you visited his open workouts?Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnI gotta say from what I nknow of his habits through the grapevine and the times I visited his open workouts the guy is one of those who seems to always be in shape and uses camp as more or less the way to fine tune etc.....Good habit for fighters to carry with especially ones in their mid 30's.......Though he does come off as a bit arrogant and it is hard to decifer between him being confident and cocky......Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
IMO would be a good fight can't say who would win....Though If Bute had even the slightest stamina issue I would give the edge to Sergio....If they got into a slugging match I have to give Bute the advantage......For some reason I really do not see the fight coming off at all because there would be a bigger financial gain for Bute to fight Pascal.....and once the S6 is over the whole division opens up for big fights......Then again staranger things have happened.....
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I agree, he's definitely earned my respect and came a long way considering he was almost 20 years old before he started boxing, I'm very impressed with him and I think if he wins this one he should move to cotto possibly, and if a win in both he deserves a higher p4p ranking in my book, I love to see a south paw rise to a big status considering people tend to duck out of fighting them as has happened so many times with Paul Williams