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Bernard Hopkins: Black Fighters, We Are Built Differently - Boxing News
B-Hop talks about how black fighters are built differently and that most blacks are just athletic and he says that as a whole they are just more athletic and that other races have to work hard to get those attributes that blacks don't. He says it's called genetics.
Calz must have those genes too.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Pretty fair comments really. They can't swim though.
It's called practice. Police are racist, and if I was getting chased by the police I'd run too!Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
its actually true
there was a big study done on it, ill find something on it if i can
but athleticness was tested on different races from an early age right through to late teans
for instance black kids could run much faster than any other race at all ages
they have a lower body fat percent which seems to make the difference, but even when you take say 5 black kids and 5 exception white kids all with the same body fat percentage, the results are closer, but the black kids still run faster :)
didnt a study once find that black people have denser bone muscle structures to every other race therefore are more competitive in impact sports such as sprinting
Either way its a dumbfounded argument, the white race could claim its genetic advancements make it better allround athletes, asians could claim being mentally superior gives them advantages.
swings and roundabouts, whats more concerning is since getting his ass handed to him by calzaghe hopkins seems fixated on the whole issue of race
If Hopkins were white then the KKK would be asking him to open up The Philly branch of the clan.
Stupid comments again but it gets him press time.
To some extent what he mentions is true. African Americans and other blacks that can trace their lineage to West Africa have naturally lower body fat percentages and subtle differences in skeletal structure. This is why Jamaicans (apart from sprinting being ingrained in the culture) and other black sprinters can run sub 10 and a white male is yet to do it. They also have higher levels of testosterone.
On the other hand you won't see a black man do what Michael Phelps did at the Olympics either or dominate gymnastics.
Depends on the sport......certain physical traits may make some black boxers faster (more quick twitch muscle fibre) but at the end of the day boxing is equal opportunity and it's skills and other aspects (styles) that win you fights. The Jews and Italians no longer send the hundreds of contenders to the ring they once did, so circumstance plays a part too.
I really like Hopkins, an exceptional fighter. But if a white fighter or sportsman were to come out with similar comments he would be chastised for being an "Aryan!"
I've heard this before. To the posters who stated that they had read about this idea too, I have a question. Do you recall the explanations for why athletes with black (or West African) + white racial backgrounds compete on the same level with athletes with only black backgrounds? If the theory is true, why haven't athletes with solely West African backgrounds dominated?
There may be something to all this genetic talk though. With some exceptions, Ethiopians win every marathon and Northern Europeans win every heavy weight-lifting competition.
Athletes with solely West African backgrounds don't have the finances or resources to dominate the sports because they are mainly in Africa. Those are poor 3rd world nations there mainly. But there is another theory that if those same West Africans were given the same kind of training and resources in the west, they too would dominate athletics. But that's just a theory as of right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Yeah plus African Boxers always get robbed by the judges.
I haven't read the article but but I assume he's saying Black Athletes are the best?
If so, rubbish. They have their own qualities, same as everyone else.
Apparently Bernard wants to go out of his way to make sure everyone knows he's a dumbass. Bernard if all this race stuff is true then how do you explain Sergio Martinez, Manny Pacquiao, The Klitschko's, etc?
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But, there are West Africans with those resources in the states, UK and Europe. Do they fare any better than athletes of mixed ethnic backgrounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogAthletes with solely West African backgrounds don't have the finances or resources to dominate the sports because they are mainly in Africa. Those are poor 3rd world nations there mainly. But there is another theory that if those same West Africans were given the same kind of training and resources in the west, they too would dominate athletics. But that's just a theory as of right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Hopkins was generalising too much with that statement. Joshua Clottey is about as slow and immobile as you can get get and he is black. If he is refering to the Amercian slick style then he has a point that they are different and I think he was trying to justify the Pac statement he made about never beating a black fighter.
There is genetics and there is also environmental factors which go further than just race and skin colour. Studies found recently top swimmers have longer bodies and shorter legs which is generally a trait for specific groups. Altitude in Kenya means that they have greater endurance to running. White people sent to harsh terrains like South Africa and Australia produced their big Rugby player.
Can we all just stop listening to these guys's bullshit allready. Bernard and his black this and black that geeeezzzussss. None of us chose what color we were born and the way every race is fucking each other these days and making all kinds of mixes of kids everyone should just get used to it and screw all the race crap in any conversation. People bring race into issues when thier knowledge of the topic is lacking imo !!! No race fights, drives, writes, sings better than any other. Skill can be taught to any race. And yes i'm bable-ing on and acting like a know it all i know i hear it all the time. In reality i'm only about 50/50 on how right i am on any topic.
I'm telling you if pavlik or the klits came out next week and said same thing but replaced athletic with smarter they'd never be seen again...bhop's becoming obsessed with this shit.
Can't question Bernard's talent, but his mouth..leaves a fair bit to be desired.
His rants have been boring me for a while now to be honest.
What a ni......ncompoop. ;D
:rolleyes:...It is 2011 Bernard not 1960....The police hate everyone regardless of color....Hopkins has been talking the race shit for almost 2 decades now...The man has personal issues and for all his in ring accomplishments he has a small mindset....
We have a Black President, we have many Blck judges, movie stars, police, athletes etc....The time for hoses on the crowds are over....And if this is so true and he is using this in terms of fighters then why is it MMA has more White and Asain superstars then Black?....If I was to say it is because black MMA fighters???.......
WTF do I give a shit about it all anyhow....When the discussion involves Mongolian Hispanics I guess I can really chime in :p....I was on the Bradley/Alexander confrence call and one guy actually asked them if this is a fight that they are taking to help the African American race?.......Bradley was speechless then replied I am American I wasn't born in Africa and Alexander just ignored the question and gave an answer about something totally different....This is just stir up the pot nonsense
Hopkins likes to talk, skilled a shell but I think he just loves the sound of his voice at times.
Well Coming out of poorer working class backgrounds usually helps people to become physically stronger. With this now changing and people from my background becoming more and more successful in other areas this is becoming less and less true.
Great fighters are built differently!!!
I'm not so sure that black fighters are built differently, boxing is very different to sprinting. It's more about how you train and execute a plan and that is why Calzaghe beat him fairly easily despite the knockdown and the rather pale hue. I'm not really outraged by Hopkins comments either. I am quite comfortable viewing him as a racist, I'm kind of used to it. No big deal.
another example of an uneducated guy who makes millions from a sport , then has to open his mouth on subjects he know zero about , stick to punching bernard you fucking idiot.
and yes if a white guy said similer hed be rasist
He's not as dumb as he thinks we are. Mosleys thanking him all the way to the bank...oh and Hopkins is a fine fighter....but he is also a partner in a little thing called GBProductions. How many manny mentions were there ?!
In fairness though...somewhere in Indiana Larry Byrd is throwing furniture!!! And Jimmy The Greek is yelling "I TOLD YA SO" :-X
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
LOL! so true. When i was young and in buddy league baseball, my team had a pool party at my house. One of my african american friends on the team gets up on the diving board ready to jump in, and my dad asks him " You can swim cant you". he responds " ya ya". He jumps in and immedietly starts to panic and sank a few feet under water, my dad had to jump in (overalls and all) after him. True story.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
True they can't swim the black guys who i have done swim tests with in the army usually fail!
i know black lads who do no running never lift weights and are still ripped :confused:
Oh... Hopkins will be spewing his ignorant bullshit for years to come. Face it... he's a street-raised punk who's done time. He has no skills other than fighting. He sees his time in the limelight coming to an end. What ELSE is he going to do? He's gonna whatever he can to steal that spotlight... THAT'S what he's going to do. Fortunately, time will continue to pass, and Hopkins' moronic comments will begin to fade away from the public press until he's just ranting and raving on the local street corner, to anyone willing to listen.
I think genetics has everything to do with aptitude. Still, there are desirable and undeisrable mind/body types in every race with paring making all the difference. After that it's enviroment and development.
Race has someting to do with something or we would all look the same. It's why I believe in creation and not evolution. We were created equally not identically.
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Its much to simple to say 'blacks are more athletic'.
There are some measurable physical differences between ethnic groups (though 'American Blacks' is a pretty broad group, relative to kenyan/ethiopeans).
Different groups have different advantages. As has been noted above, the same ethnic groups do not dominate both marathon running, sprinting (these two are quite different parts of africa) and shot put.
The more a sport is a pure expression of one capability (endurance, explosive power, maximum strength, etc.) the more we should expect to see it dominated by one ethnic group at the top.
Boxing is not a pure expression of one capability. It is first and foremost a skill sport, and on the physical side demands strength, explosiveness, aerobic conditioning, anaerobic conditioning, reach, solid bone structure, skin that doesn't tear easily, etc. etc. No group is the best in all areas.
It is somewhat interesting to consider whether these qualities are at the margin zero sum (i.e. things like % fast vs. slow twitch muscle) or whether its simply a matter of different groups having different adaptations to different extents. If it is simply a matter of some good genetic adaptations, then some mixed ethnicity kid in the future may hit the jackpot, having west african explosiveness and natural muscle mass with eastern european maximal strength and a polynesian head and I don't know what else. But I suspect there will always be tradeoffs. To some extent different styles may play up a given groups advantages.
Blacks have a higher ratio of fast twitch Fighters than whites.
I also heard black fighters have darker skin than whites. It's mind bottling! Whats next B-Hop discovers Mexicans are built different than whites?
Boxing is not a team sport or a other group anyone can think of. It is an individual sport and about the individuals abilities and skills.
I agree with Bhop a bit, there are a lot more athletic blacks than other race. It is likely that they are built different. Maybe sports suites their quality. I grew up knowing more Blacks that played and where good at sports than any other race. I also think it does have a lot to do with environment and development. For example: I live inn South Seattle where there are less whites but more Blacks who are more into sports and are better athletes than the Blacks in North Seattle where there are more Whites and the Blacks there are not as into sports and not as good athletes.
I think basketball and football are the two main sport Blacks are good at. Those two sports happen to be very popular and it suites there size and skills more so than other race. If other sports such as Hockey, Soccer or MMA where more popular then we would likely not look at Black Americans as athletic race.