lets say the fight happens, and by a freak punch Prescott wins again, how much does Khan's stock drop?
(IMO Khan stops him quick in a rematch)
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lets say the fight happens, and by a freak punch Prescott wins again, how much does Khan's stock drop?
(IMO Khan stops him quick in a rematch)
they may just be the old 'Prescott has Khan's number' argument. Remember reading something similar when Forrest beat Moseley.
I reckon Khan stops Prescott within 6 rounds in rematch
i wouldn't be shocked to see him get him out of there quickly eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
but IMO losing again to Prescott would be a big blow to Khan's career
definitely
probably why he doesn't seem in a rush to take it.
I never buy the old 'am out of his league now so pointless' argument . When a guy has knocked you clean out in 54 seconds it's an insult.
Khan, IMO, absolutely wastes Prescott in a rematch without hardly breaking sweat. When he fought Mitchell, once he'd been boxed well for 4 or 5 rounds he completely gave up all hope and idea. A now well schooled Khan beats him into submission inside 6 or 7 rounds.....
If Khan survives the first 3 or 4 rounds he should win easily. He'll probably even stop Prescott.
But if Prescott rushes him right form the opening bell, Khan could be in trouble. He is a much better fighter than the one that was knocked out, but he still looks awkward and off balance under pressure. When a guy is winging haymakers at you, the last thing you want to do is be off balance.
Khan is much more talented than Prescott. But he needs to careful.
i agree, but what do you think another loss to Prescott would do to Khan's career?Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
IMO it could really take a blow, seeing how the first loss put a lot of questions in his head, a lot of doubt to the point that he changed his entire corner, i don't know if he'd bounce back and capitalize on his full potential
I don't know to be honest. On one hand i feel it would obviously damage it, but on the other hand i understand that he will most probably get ko'd again at some stage of his career. He is a ticket seller, and i don't think that change too much for him in England. I don't know how he would be seen across the pond.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi agree, but what do you think another loss to Prescott would do to Khan's career?Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
IMO it could really take a blow, seeing how the first loss put a lot of questions in his head, a lot of doubt to the point that he changed his entire corner, i don't know if he'd bounce back and capitalize on his full potential
I suppose he is still very young, so even if he did get ko'd again by Prescott, i do feel he could come back. I don't think the question marks over his chin are ever going to go away to be honest. Should mean he will always be in exciting fights though.
well i mean his chin is better than most gave him credit, as seen against Maidana, but it's nowhere close to being solid lolQuote:
Originally Posted by onoI don't know to be honest. On one hand i feel it would obviously damage it, but on the other hand i understand that he will most probably get ko'd again at some stage of his career. He is a ticket seller, and i don't think that change too much for him in England. I don't know how he would be seen across the pond.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi agree, but what do you think another loss to Prescott would do to Khan's career?Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
IMO it could really take a blow, seeing how the first loss put a lot of questions in his head, a lot of doubt to the point that he changed his entire corner, i don't know if he'd bounce back and capitalize on his full potential
I suppose he is still very young, so even if he did get ko'd again by Prescott, i do feel he could come back. I don't think the question marks over his chin are ever going to go away to be honest. Should mean he will always be in exciting fights though.
If prescott beat Khan again especially if it was by KO I would piss my self laughing about ten times over.
I would love to see Miles reaction the next time Khan get's sparked. I think it would be similar to Jose MurinhoQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK3LP...eature=related
Amir Khan is getting overrated, he hasn't improved that greatly. He still has some serious defensive flaws, and he was rocked by Marcos Maidana early on, i think Breidis Prescott could easily win again.
All the great champions avenged defeats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
It is something I, personally, would want to finally put to bed.
He will be remembered for that defeat as much as he will be remembered for winning titles. It's a fact. When people think of Amir Khan, that 54 secs ko is what people first think of.
It will always be brought up, even for years to come - unless he takes a rematch, stops him quickly (which he would do within three rounds imo) and people could, with fair dues, say it was a fluke.
No they didn't. There's a huge list of "great" fighters with unavenged losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by koppasAll the great champions avenged defeats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
It is something I, personally, would want to finally put to bed.
He will be remembered for that defeat as much as he will be remembered for winning titles. It's a fact. When people think of Amir Khan, that 54 secs ko is what people first think of.
It will always be brought up, even for years to come - unless he takes a rematch, stops him quickly (which he would do within three rounds imo) and people could, with fair dues, say it was a fluke.
Lets start with - Hopkins, Tyson, Pac, Marquez, Duran.. it's endless.
Well they should've then...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterNo they didn't. There's a huge list of "great" fighters with unavenged losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by koppasAll the great champions avenged defeats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
It is something I, personally, would want to finally put to bed.
He will be remembered for that defeat as much as he will be remembered for winning titles. It's a fact. When people think of Amir Khan, that 54 secs ko is what people first think of.
It will always be brought up, even for years to come - unless he takes a rematch, stops him quickly (which he would do within three rounds imo) and people could, with fair dues, say it was a fluke.
Lets start with - Hopkins, Tyson, Pac, Marquez, Duran.. it's endless.
;D ... well yeah I make you right. Call themselves great.. pfftQuote:
Originally Posted by koppasWell they should've then...Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterNo they didn't. There's a huge list of "great" fighters with unavenged losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by koppasAll the great champions avenged defeats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
It is something I, personally, would want to finally put to bed.
He will be remembered for that defeat as much as he will be remembered for winning titles. It's a fact. When people think of Amir Khan, that 54 secs ko is what people first think of.
It will always be brought up, even for years to come - unless he takes a rematch, stops him quickly (which he would do within three rounds imo) and people could, with fair dues, say it was a fluke.
Lets start with - Hopkins, Tyson, Pac, Marquez, Duran.. it's endless.
If Maidana had any idea how to throw a straight punch, there is no doubt he would of stopped ConQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswell i mean his chin is better than most gave him credit, as seen against Maidana, but it's nowhere close to being solid lolQuote:
Originally Posted by onoI don't know to be honest. On one hand i feel it would obviously damage it, but on the other hand i understand that he will most probably get ko'd again at some stage of his career. He is a ticket seller, and i don't think that change too much for him in England. I don't know how he would be seen across the pond.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi agree, but what do you think another loss to Prescott would do to Khan's career?Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
IMO it could really take a blow, seeing how the first loss put a lot of questions in his head, a lot of doubt to the point that he changed his entire corner, i don't know if he'd bounce back and capitalize on his full potential
I suppose he is still very young, so even if he did get ko'd again by Prescott, i do feel he could come back. I don't think the question marks over his chin are ever going to go away to be honest. Should mean he will always be in exciting fights though.
i'm not disputing the fact that Maidana had the power to stop him, just the fact is he had him out on his feet and didn't capitalize on it and that Khan had at least the resilience to make it out of the round, albeit completely in la la landQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseIf Maidana had any idea how to throw a straight punch, there is no doubt he would of stopped ConQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleswell i mean his chin is better than most gave him credit, as seen against Maidana, but it's nowhere close to being solid lolQuote:
Originally Posted by onoI don't know to be honest. On one hand i feel it would obviously damage it, but on the other hand i understand that he will most probably get ko'd again at some stage of his career. He is a ticket seller, and i don't think that change too much for him in England. I don't know how he would be seen across the pond.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesi agree, but what do you think another loss to Prescott would do to Khan's career?Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
IMO it could really take a blow, seeing how the first loss put a lot of questions in his head, a lot of doubt to the point that he changed his entire corner, i don't know if he'd bounce back and capitalize on his full potential
I suppose he is still very young, so even if he did get ko'd again by Prescott, i do feel he could come back. I don't think the question marks over his chin are ever going to go away to be honest. Should mean he will always be in exciting fights though.
Khan's days are numbered. Khan would shell Prescott in a rematch but who really cares.
Khan should stop him, hes matured a lot since his loss. Prescott got lucky no doubt, if they cant agree for a fight with Murray then it's a keep busy fight for Khan and he will redeem his brutal KO loss, no harm in that.
:vd: Yes of course it was luck. Prescott wasn't really trying to hit him. He was just swinging his arms for the fuck of it. Con just happened to run into his fist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Always amazes me how people can say one fighter got lucky when he knocks out another fighter. How the fuck is it luck? Isn't that why there swinging? To like, you know? Knock the muthafukka out?
I really hope Khan does fight Prescott before a unification with the winner of this weekends fight but it's whether or not he has got the demons out of his head. I think he is still a tad frightened of Prescott even though he has beaten better fighters since that shocking defeat!
He doesn't need Prescott and unless I've missed something what exactly has Prescott done since except be exposed as a one trick pony and over rated puncher ??? These guys are going in two total and opposite directions and only scenario I can see him fighting a Prescott would be if he was starched again by someone. On rare occasion the best thing to happen to a hyped and pushed product is to get ceremoniously taken down a notch for all to see at a still very green stage.
I agree in this case, but a fighter can get lucky. Take Micahel Sprott's KO of Audley a few years back. Twas a sweet as fuck shot, but Sprott had his head down, was looking at his feet and swinging for the fuck of it. The fact it landed on Audley's temple was a complete stroke of luck, because no way was his aim to land on that spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Yes of course it was luck. Prescott wasn't really trying to hit him. He was just swinging his arms for the fuck of it. Con just happened to run into his fist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Always amazes me how people can say one fighter got lucky when he knocks out another fighter. How the fuck is it luck? Isn't that why there swinging? To like, you know? Knock the muthafukka out?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
HAHAHA! Nice one! ;D
I think it might take longer but that Prescott would get to him again.
lets not also forget that the stoppage was slighlty controversial and there are strong cases to agrue it was slightly premature with Khan able to continue.
rematch
True. Same can be said of the Hatton-Pacquiao fight. Hatton was robbed. FACT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
I am assuming this was posted tongue in cheek.
No way he was flopping around at nine, he got up but fell backwards. It was a legit stoppage. Did I just fall for it or you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestNo way he was flopping around at nine, he got up but fell backwards. It was a legit stoppage. Did I just fall for it or you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Khan did well to ever get up from that punch, seeing as it "could have dropped an elephant";D
To be fair that's where Colombians get their power from. Urango, Torres and Prescott all punch elephants. All the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestNo way he was flopping around at nine, he got up but fell backwards. It was a legit stoppage. Did I just fall for it or you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Khan did well to ever get up from that punch, seeing as it "could have dropped an elephant";D
Haha that's funny, and seriously just made me think; I don't ever recall seeing a Colombian fighter who didn't have at least respectable punching power, if nothing else. A lot of them obviously hit like trucks. Weird little piece of genetics there, the archetypal Colombian fighter is seemingly this lanky heavy handed potential spoiler type of guy. Lots of little upsets here and there where one will stop a touted young guy, but I can't think of any who've really stuck around and made noise? Or had any decent fundamentals to speak of? A solid resume? Makes you wonder if a more prosperous amatuer program in Colombia etc. would even matter, strikes me they are just by and large these freaky glass cannons:confused:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair that's where Colombians get their power from. Urango, Torres and Prescott all punch elephants. All the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestNo way he was flopping around at nine, he got up but fell backwards. It was a legit stoppage. Did I just fall for it or you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Khan did well to ever get up from that punch, seeing as it "could have dropped an elephant";D
It must be to do with the progression/amatuer system over there. I can think of similar examples which occur in other sports, where nationality seems to shape an athletes strengths and weaknesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHaha that's funny, and seriously just made me think; I don't ever recall seeing a Colombian fighter who didn't have at least respectable punching power, if nothing else. A lot of them obviously hit like trucks. Weird little piece of genetics there, the archetypal Colombian fighter is seemingly this lanky heavy handed potential spoiler type of guy. Lots of little upsets here and there where one will stop a touted young guy, but I can't think of any who've really stuck around and made noise? Or had any decent fundamentals to speak of? A solid resume? Makes you wonder if a more prosperous amatuer program in Colombia etc. would even matter, strikes me they are just by and large these freaky glass cannons:confused:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair that's where Colombians get their power from. Urango, Torres and Prescott all punch elephants. All the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestNo way he was flopping around at nine, he got up but fell backwards. It was a legit stoppage. Did I just fall for it or you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Khan did well to ever get up from that punch, seeing as it "could have dropped an elephant";D
For example, football in England...
Generally speaking, English footballers tend to be technically inferior to a lot of other European players. When i say 'English footballers' i generally mean the players who have made it as professional players. Technical ability in England isn't as easy to notice when you consider the playing conditions in junior and amateur football. Other factors become more important, such as strength and speed.
I know it's unrelated to boxing and i'm not even sure myself where i'm going with this point. ;D
But yeah i agree with your assessment of generic Colombian fighters. I guess if they weren't boxers they'd be drug dealers anyway ;D
That's not really a fair example though. Regardless of technicality, the English are obviously to small and weak to be good football players. Their strength and speed is only relative to people who share inferior genetics. :lickish:Quote:
Originally Posted by onoIt must be to do with the progression/amatuer system over there. I can think of similar examples which occur in other sports, where nationality seems to shape an athletes strengths and weaknesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHaha that's funny, and seriously just made me think; I don't ever recall seeing a Colombian fighter who didn't have at least respectable punching power, if nothing else. A lot of them obviously hit like trucks. Weird little piece of genetics there, the archetypal Colombian fighter is seemingly this lanky heavy handed potential spoiler type of guy. Lots of little upsets here and there where one will stop a touted young guy, but I can't think of any who've really stuck around and made noise? Or had any decent fundamentals to speak of? A solid resume? Makes you wonder if a more prosperous amatuer program in Colombia etc. would even matter, strikes me they are just by and large these freaky glass cannons:confused:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair that's where Colombians get their power from. Urango, Torres and Prescott all punch elephants. All the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestNo way he was flopping around at nine, he got up but fell backwards. It was a legit stoppage. Did I just fall for it or you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Khan did well to ever get up from that punch, seeing as it "could have dropped an elephant";D
For example, football in England...
Generally speaking, English footballers tend to be technically inferior to a lot of other European players. When i say 'English footballers' i generally mean the players who have made it as professional players. Technical ability in England isn't as easy to notice when you consider the playing conditions in junior and amateur football. Other factors become more important, such as strength and speed.
I know it's unrelated to boxing and i'm not even sure myself where i'm going with this point. ;D
But yeah i agree with your assessment of generic Colombian fighters. I guess if they weren't boxers they'd be drug dealers anyway ;D
Joel Julio and Antonio Pitalua are others that come to mindQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHaha that's funny, and seriously just made me think; I don't ever recall seeing a Colombian fighter who didn't have at least respectable punching power, if nothing else. A lot of them obviously hit like trucks. Weird little piece of genetics there, the archetypal Colombian fighter is seemingly this lanky heavy handed potential spoiler type of guy. Lots of little upsets here and there where one will stop a touted young guy, but I can't think of any who've really stuck around and made noise? Or had any decent fundamentals to speak of? A solid resume? Makes you wonder if a more prosperous amatuer program in Colombia etc. would even matter, strikes me they are just by and large these freaky glass cannons:confused:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair that's where Colombians get their power from. Urango, Torres and Prescott all punch elephants. All the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestNo way he was flopping around at nine, he got up but fell backwards. It was a legit stoppage. Did I just fall for it or you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Khan did well to ever get up from that punch, seeing as it "could have dropped an elephant";D
Edison Miranda too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
But Sprott was still swing to hit something. His intentions were still to hurt or knock Harrison out.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI agree in this case, but a fighter can get lucky. Take Micahel Sprott's KO of Audley a few years back. Twas a sweet as fuck shot, but Sprott had his head down, was looking at his feet and swinging for the fuck of it. The fact it landed on Audley's temple was a complete stroke of luck, because no way was his aim to land on that spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Yes of course it was luck. Prescott wasn't really trying to hit him. He was just swinging his arms for the fuck of it. Con just happened to run into his fist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Always amazes me how people can say one fighter got lucky when he knocks out another fighter. How the fuck is it luck? Isn't that why there swinging? To like, you know? Knock the muthafukka out?
You're right, he was...I was just looking at it from the other angle that sometimes a fighter lands a punch that they didn't necessarily mean to. The fact that it knocked the guy out had some degree of luck involved. I agree though, the term "lucky punch" is used far too loosely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBut Sprott was still swing to hit something. His intentions were still to hurt or knock Harrison out.Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnI agree in this case, but a fighter can get lucky. Take Micahel Sprott's KO of Audley a few years back. Twas a sweet as fuck shot, but Sprott had his head down, was looking at his feet and swinging for the fuck of it. The fact it landed on Audley's temple was a complete stroke of luck, because no way was his aim to land on that spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Yes of course it was luck. Prescott wasn't really trying to hit him. He was just swinging his arms for the fuck of it. Con just happened to run into his fist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Always amazes me how people can say one fighter got lucky when he knocks out another fighter. How the fuck is it luck? Isn't that why there swinging? To like, you know? Knock the muthafukka out?
Haha fair point ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingThat's not really a fair example though. Regardless of technicality, the English are obviously to small and weak to be good football players. Their strength and speed is only relative to people who share inferior genetics. :lickish:Quote:
Originally Posted by onoIt must be to do with the progression/amatuer system over there. I can think of similar examples which occur in other sports, where nationality seems to shape an athletes strengths and weaknesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingHaha that's funny, and seriously just made me think; I don't ever recall seeing a Colombian fighter who didn't have at least respectable punching power, if nothing else. A lot of them obviously hit like trucks. Weird little piece of genetics there, the archetypal Colombian fighter is seemingly this lanky heavy handed potential spoiler type of guy. Lots of little upsets here and there where one will stop a touted young guy, but I can't think of any who've really stuck around and made noise? Or had any decent fundamentals to speak of? A solid resume? Makes you wonder if a more prosperous amatuer program in Colombia etc. would even matter, strikes me they are just by and large these freaky glass cannons:confused:;DQuote:
Originally Posted by onoTo be fair that's where Colombians get their power from. Urango, Torres and Prescott all punch elephants. All the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross:vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestNo way he was flopping around at nine, he got up but fell backwards. It was a legit stoppage. Did I just fall for it or you serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Khan did well to ever get up from that punch, seeing as it "could have dropped an elephant";D
For example, football in England...
Generally speaking, English footballers tend to be technically inferior to a lot of other European players. When i say 'English footballers' i generally mean the players who have made it as professional players. Technical ability in England isn't as easy to notice when you consider the playing conditions in junior and amateur football. Other factors become more important, such as strength and speed.
I know it's unrelated to boxing and i'm not even sure myself where i'm going with this point. ;D
But yeah i agree with your assessment of generic Colombian fighters. I guess if they weren't boxers they'd be drug dealers anyway ;D
no doubt he was but fair play to him he did KTFO amir khan but it was a lucky win in the sense that it wont ever happen again if they did fight. khan needed a brutal wake up call like that to show he wasnt invincible and has khan not improved dramatically since being with freddy and being stopped? i think so. khan prescott ever fight again khan would knock him out and prove that on that night prescott was lucky in beating him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise:vd: Yes of course it was luck. Prescott wasn't really trying to hit him. He was just swinging his arms for the fuck of it. Con just happened to run into his fist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
Always amazes me how people can say one fighter got lucky when he knocks out another fighter. How the fuck is it luck? Isn't that why there swinging? To like, you know? Knock the muthafukka out?