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I think Khan beats them both @ 140.
I don't no man, would definately like to see it tho. I'd give the edge to Bradley, he's very bullish and determined, plus he's comfortable at 140, jmm is really untested at this weight. Would never rule out jmm tho. It's definately a valid fight if it does get made down the line.
its a fight id like to see
youd have to say bradley might be a bit big on strong but you never know
Yes he would. Infact, JMM would beat everyone at 140. Been saying that for months now. And that's because it's true.
I have to agree - JMM is the man to beat. The only thing against him is father time, and that could pop up at any time. I just think Marquez has too many answers for both Khan and Bradley, at least right now. Six months down the road though...could be a different story. But the JMM that whooped up on Katsidis has enough for either Bradley or Khan.
in my opinion Bradley is SHIT ,JMM would box his ears off
Bradley beats JMM at 140. JMM easily could have made a Bradley fight. The Morales fight wasn't signed before Bradley and Alexander had fought. Instead, JMM is fighting Morales, a really retarded choice of opponent. Bradley would walk through JMM's punches. What more does he have to do to gain some of your respect? He has taken the 0 from his last three opponents and went to England to beat Witter. He's the man to beat at 140.
I said it long ago...
JMM should have made the move to 140 last year right after the Diaz fight.
And attempt to capture that 4th title.
I said he beat's Devon & Khan but that Bradley would give him the best fight.
Now I think he can beat Bradley but Khans style/speed might pose the biggest problem for him...
Bradley is too convential step, punch, step, punch, block, punch.
I mean he has pressure and he can box.
But he has nothing special that's required to beat someone like JMM.
Apparently holding two titles means your shit nowadays, it's pretty funny how such a shit fighter can be undefeated.:rolleyes: I Would like to see JMM @ 140 , because he's only ever been near that against Floyd and he looked pretty powerless, but that was Floyd. At this point I got Bradley in a way better fight than the Alexander fight, because we all know JMM wont punk out, and will get off the canvas. Nobody gives Bradley any credit, he made Alexander miss alot of shots. Also JMM is 37, any day now he's gonna start to feel his age.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Exactly, I think Bradley is a poors man casamayor with less power and skills. I don't see Bradleys pressure being enough to beat JMM. I really think JMM would rule this whole division. Again I agree with you about Khan, I think Khans speed and power could upset JMM but I would expect JMM to beat him.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
My thinking is JMM will KO Bradley in the championship rounds. Bradley is an stalker, with good boxing skills. Skills in which he didn't use to much against Alexander. Which will make him predictable. I do see JMM getting knocked down but his recoup powers is like nobody else. A potential classic!!!
Bollocks. Not everyone. Mighty Mike would knock him out!Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Marquez beats Bradley? Uh ok. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Marquez is the better fighter. Of course he beats Bradley
Well yeah, goes without saying. You're just stating the obvious now ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnBollocks. Not everyone. Mighty Mike would knock him out!Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
YES. Abso-fooking-lutely!Quote:
Originally Posted by bzkfnBollocks. Not everyone. Mighty Mike would knock him out!Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Bradley and Alexander got enough credit, not just enough BUT they were overrated with bullshit statements like "This is what boxing needs, the best vs the best" ; "This is the best fight in boxing, two animals going against each other". :mad:
What animals what shit, why is Alexander the best, because he jabs from the elbow and lost (yeah clearly) to Kotelnik. Why is Bradley the best, because he reaches with every shot.
Of course JMM will feel the age (37 is VERY OLD for lower weight classes), but these American hyped up limited boxers are still very beatable for the skilled old man.
Going out on a limb, there... JR? :)
That's ONE bet I'd make with my eyes closed. Bradley's good.... JMM is an ATG.
I agree - but there's always that chance that Marquez has lost just enough of a step. I think he's still got some good fights in him though. He fights the inevitable just as hard as his opponents, which is just another reason he's as great as he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Marquez has been losing steps (so they say) since the John fight. It don't stop him from winningQuote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsI agree - but there's always that chance that Marquez has lost just enough of a step. I think he's still got some good fights in him though. He fights the inevitable just as hard as his opponents, which is just another reason he's as great as he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
JMM is always at his best when fighters come after him. When someone pushes the tempo (like I think Bradley would) with Marquez, Marquez responds everytime by pushing it even more. If I was Marquez I wouldnt try to add to many pounds come fight night. I see JMM schooling Bradley on the inside with a late stoppage.
Great point - and right on the money. You know sooner or later he's gotta get too old for the game, though. With him, I'd put my money on later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMarquez has been losing steps (so they say) since the John fight. It don't stop him from winningQuote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsI agree - but there's always that chance that Marquez has lost just enough of a step. I think he's still got some good fights in him though. He fights the inevitable just as hard as his opponents, which is just another reason he's as great as he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Marquez is such a great boxer he couldnt win one round against Floyd. :-X He's a brawler more than boxer once he get hit he goes into brawl mode.
I think Bradley takes the ud i mean jmm been having wars with Daiz and Kat. Bradley to me is better then both of them and has a very rough um up style i think he while out work him.
Marquez can't beat Father Time. But he'll adjust to him. Similar to what Hopkins be doing. But with more activityQuote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsGreat point - and right on the money. You know sooner or later he's gotta get too old for the game, though. With him, I'd put my money on later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseMarquez has been losing steps (so they say) since the John fight. It don't stop him from winningQuote:
Originally Posted by bcollinsI agree - but there's always that chance that Marquez has lost just enough of a step. I think he's still got some good fights in him though. He fights the inevitable just as hard as his opponents, which is just another reason he's as great as he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Quick question vd do you see a outcome with Bradley winning just wondering dude.
Marquez does have a DQ loss in his career. So a Bradley win ain't 100% impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr140
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Originally Posted by No Contest
I think Marquez IS a great boxer. You forget, he was woefully undersized for someone like Floyd. No fair judging him on that fight alone. He's more what you call a boxer-puncher. He can definitely box, with quite an arsenal of punches... good with both hands... but he can brawl when the situation calls for it. JMM is just a tremendously skilled veteran who knows what it takes to win a fight, and the resourcefulness to be able to do it.
I can't believe people are actually favoring Marquez over Bradley. Did you watch Marquez not being able to land anything on mayweather? Well Bradley has a really hard defense to crack, he's much faster than Marquez, and he has a great stylistic advantage over jmm. There is not much a guy like jmm can do against this style because he comes straight forward, and that's why he could not circumvent floyd's jab, and why bradley would out box jmm on the outside. Not enough angles and jmm doesn't have any punches that extend his reach without forcing him off balance. It would be a fun fight though.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Too bad they'll never meet. I'd be happy to steal... er... I mean...make a bet with you.
;)
Bradley has a hard defense to crack? Since when? Did you miss Kendall Holt twice floor Bradley? Holt pretty much gave Bradley the fight by refusing to throw punches. A problem Marquez does not have. Not to mention Holt's offense pretty much consists of one punch. He doesn't have the arsenal Marquez has. Marquez can throw every punch in the book. He'll dissect Bradley without much trouble. If Mayweather or the juiced up Pacquiao couldn't stop Marquez. Than Bradley can't eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
One thing we can all agree on is that it's a much better fight than Morales at 140. That's for sure.
No doubt about that.
I know, Morales is gonna make him look like an amateur.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Morales TKO 10 BradleyQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
He wasn't effective when mayweather came at him, it's different having a walk you down type fighter and timothy BradleyQuote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
Coming at you. First off he doesn't slowly plod in like katsidis or juan Diaz did. I like them both, but they allowed Juan Manuel Marquez to line them up and tee off on them coming in. A guy who just keeps his hands up and exhibits not upper body movement will be picked apart by JMM. But Bradley like Hopkins doesn't just come in wide open even if it almost looks that way. He is actually very hard to hit when he's coming in and he has really good defensive skills. He may get wild at times but that's usually when he has broken his opponent in that moment and they can't return with anything because they are fully in defensive mode.
There is like a huge difference between Mayweather and Bradley. I'll give you Katsidis. But Diaz was never a plodding type fighter. Take away the huge dome on Bradley and you got a pretty similar style between Bradley and Diaz. And we all know how Marquez handled Diaz. Bottom line is this. I like Bradley. He's grown on me a little. He's a fine fighter. Very good actually. But Marquez is a great fighter. He's also smarter than Bradley. There is nothing Bradley can come at him with that he hasn't already seen and dealt with.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethHe wasn't effective when mayweather came at him, it's different having a walk you down type fighter and timothy BradleyQuote:
Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan
Coming at you. First off he doesn't slowly plod in like katsidis or juan Diaz did. I like them both, but they allowed Juan Manuel Marquez to line them up and tee off on them coming in. A guy who just keeps his hands up and exhibits not upper body movement will be picked apart by JMM. But Bradley like Hopkins doesn't just come in wide open even if it almost looks that way. He is actually very hard to hit when he's coming in and he has really good defensive skills. He may get wild at times but that's usually when he has broken his opponent in that moment and they can't return with anything because they are fully in defensive mode.
How can you say compare Holt to Marquez? Just by trying to say one guy did this, then everyone can. Look at how Zab Judah caught Mayweather often early in their fight. Like Holt he has a good power, he's very fast and he actually quite a good pure boxer. If JMM tried to box with Holt on the outside he would get picked apart. Holt is faster, he hits harder, and he has the reach advantage, but he folds mentally after awhile when he is being pressured just like Zab Judah. As soon as you figure out the method to encapsulate them then they are done. They don't have that adjustment great boxers make to win fights. But besides Kendall Holt who has reached Bradley with regularity? Nobody, because he actually does have a really good defense despite the fact he pressures his opponent. This isn't about race as much as style, but african american's generally have a long style where they learn to really get an effective long jab. Mexican's try more to box with solid fundamentals and combinations on the inside, they don't lunge or use a lot of upper body movement, they stick to the basics and use their fundamental skills and their great determination to beat opponents. THe problem they have against african americans who fight with the style I am talking about is that they can't get around the jab, and they aren't used to facing a guy who slips a lot and use a lot of slips coming in, probably because that african-american slick style doesn't exist as much in the smaller weight classes because there aren't very many elite african-american's down at those weight classes. Now JMM is probably the pennacle of the mexican style, nobody has had more technique and determination than he does, but this is just a style he can't overcome. If he has a target then he can compete with anyone that isn't too big, but Timothy use way too much movement(both with his body and feet), and like FLoyd's style it will freeze JMM offense. He won't know what to do because he doesn't encounter this style enough, and his style is poorly equipped to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBradley has a hard defense to crack? Since when? Did you miss Kendall Holt twice floor Bradley? Holt pretty much gave Bradley the fight by refusing to throw punches. A problem Marquez does not have. Not to mention Holt's offense pretty much consists of one punch. He doesn't have the arsenal Marquez has. Marquez can throw every punch in the book. He'll dissect Bradley without much trouble. If Mayweather or the juiced up Pacquiao couldn't stop Marquez. Than Bradley can't eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Timothy Bradley doesn't fight exactly like Mayweather, he doesn't have the build or speed to do so, but he is very elusive and he's adapts incredibly well like Floyd does, but he doesn't need to be as good as Floyd to beat a guy like JMM who is at such a big disadvantage stylistically. And he is nothing like Juan Diaz, who takes punches off his arms and tries to outwork you, if you think they are a basically the same fighter then I am going to let you believe that and stop messaging on this because it just wasting both of our time because besides pressure they are completely different which is why Timothy has been so much more successful.
They don't. But Marquez does. He's done it plenty of times before in his career. Judah and Holt ain't great fighters. Marquez is. Bradley is a good fighter. But he ain't great. Maybe he will be one day. But he ain't now. I know what your saying about blacks and there style. But if I remember correctly Marquez took the heart and made quit a African American fighter who employed a jab. Was tall. And liked to move around the ring. Knock Derrick Gainer all you want. But don't tell me he doesn't employ the African American style your talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow can you say compare Holt to Marquez? Just by trying to say one guy did this, then everyone can. Look at how Zab Judah caught Mayweather often early in their fight. Like Holt he has a good power, he's very fast and he actually quite a good pure boxer. If JMM tried to box with Holt on the outside he would get picked apart. Holt is faster, he hits harder, and he has the reach advantage, but he folds mentally after awhile when he is being pressured just like Zab Judah. As soon as you figure out the method to encapsulate them then they are done. They don't have that adjustment great boxers make to win fights. But besides Kendall Holt who has reached Bradley with regularity? Nobody, because he actually does have a really good defense despite the fact he pressures his opponent. This isn't about race as much as style, but african american's generally have a long style where they learn to really get an effective long jab. Mexican's try more to box with solid fundamentals and combinations on the inside, they don't lunge or use a lot of upper body movement, they stick to the basics and use their fundamental skills and their great determination to beat opponents. THe problem they have against african americans who fight with the style I am talking about is that they can't get around the jab, and they aren't used to facing a guy who slips a lot and use a lot of slips coming in, probably because that african-american slick style doesn't exist as much in the smaller weight classes because there aren't very many elite african-american's down at those weight classes. Now JMM is probably the pennacle of the mexican style, nobody has had more technique and determination than he does, but this is just a style he can't overcome. If he has a target then he can compete with anyone that isn't too big, but Timothy use way too much movement(both with his body and feet), and like FLoyd's style it will freeze JMM offense. He won't know what to do because he doesn't encounter this style enough, and his style is poorly equipped to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBradley has a hard defense to crack? Since when? Did you miss Kendall Holt twice floor Bradley? Holt pretty much gave Bradley the fight by refusing to throw punches. A problem Marquez does not have. Not to mention Holt's offense pretty much consists of one punch. He doesn't have the arsenal Marquez has. Marquez can throw every punch in the book. He'll dissect Bradley without much trouble. If Mayweather or the juiced up Pacquiao couldn't stop Marquez. Than Bradley can't eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Timothy Bradley doesn't fight exactly like Mayweather, he doesn't have the build or speed to do so, but he is very elusive and he's adapts incredibly well like Floyd does, but he doesn't need to be as good as Floyd to beat a guy like JMM who is at such a big disadvantage stylistically. And he is nothing like Juan Diaz, who takes punches off his arms and tries to outwork you, if you think they are a basically the same fighter then I am going to let you believe that and stop messaging on this because it just wasting both of our time because besides pressure they are completely different which is why Timothy has been so much more successful.
Derrick Gainer was a boxer, not a fighter. THe difference between guys like Judah, Holt, Gainer, Michael Nunn to a certian extent, is that they were just boxers, and one dimensional in that regard. Mayweather, Hopkins, Whitaker, Leonard, RJJ, and he's not in their league yet but timothy bradley can do it all. We've seen Marquez do small changes, but nothing like he would need to beat Bradley because he might change his timing or distance in a fight, but he doesn't change angles or his style. If you are one dimensional even as a great athlete, and I don't mean even that you can only box or punch, but a guy that can do either one at any moment. If you box-punch all the time like a guy like Meldrick Taylor or Miguel Cotto then there is a chance that when they fight a guy who can walk through their punches that they will be in big trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThey don't. But Marquez does. He's done it plenty of times before in his career. Judah and Holt ain't great fighters. Marquez is. Bradley is a good fighter. But he ain't great. Maybe he will be one day. But he ain't now. I know what your saying about blacks and there style. But if I remember correctly Marquez took the heart and made quit a African American fighter who employed a jab. Was tall. And liked to move around the ring. Knock Derrick Gainer all you want. But don't tell me he doesn't employ the African American style your talking aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by TaethHow can you say compare Holt to Marquez? Just by trying to say one guy did this, then everyone can. Look at how Zab Judah caught Mayweather often early in their fight. Like Holt he has a good power, he's very fast and he actually quite a good pure boxer. If JMM tried to box with Holt on the outside he would get picked apart. Holt is faster, he hits harder, and he has the reach advantage, but he folds mentally after awhile when he is being pressured just like Zab Judah. As soon as you figure out the method to encapsulate them then they are done. They don't have that adjustment great boxers make to win fights. But besides Kendall Holt who has reached Bradley with regularity? Nobody, because he actually does have a really good defense despite the fact he pressures his opponent. This isn't about race as much as style, but african american's generally have a long style where they learn to really get an effective long jab. Mexican's try more to box with solid fundamentals and combinations on the inside, they don't lunge or use a lot of upper body movement, they stick to the basics and use their fundamental skills and their great determination to beat opponents. THe problem they have against african americans who fight with the style I am talking about is that they can't get around the jab, and they aren't used to facing a guy who slips a lot and use a lot of slips coming in, probably because that african-american slick style doesn't exist as much in the smaller weight classes because there aren't very many elite african-american's down at those weight classes. Now JMM is probably the pennacle of the mexican style, nobody has had more technique and determination than he does, but this is just a style he can't overcome. If he has a target then he can compete with anyone that isn't too big, but Timothy use way too much movement(both with his body and feet), and like FLoyd's style it will freeze JMM offense. He won't know what to do because he doesn't encounter this style enough, and his style is poorly equipped to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseBradley has a hard defense to crack? Since when? Did you miss Kendall Holt twice floor Bradley? Holt pretty much gave Bradley the fight by refusing to throw punches. A problem Marquez does not have. Not to mention Holt's offense pretty much consists of one punch. He doesn't have the arsenal Marquez has. Marquez can throw every punch in the book. He'll dissect Bradley without much trouble. If Mayweather or the juiced up Pacquiao couldn't stop Marquez. Than Bradley can't eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by Taeth
Timothy Bradley doesn't fight exactly like Mayweather, he doesn't have the build or speed to do so, but he is very elusive and he's adapts incredibly well like Floyd does, but he doesn't need to be as good as Floyd to beat a guy like JMM who is at such a big disadvantage stylistically. And he is nothing like Juan Diaz, who takes punches off his arms and tries to outwork you, if you think they are a basically the same fighter then I am going to let you believe that and stop messaging on this because it just wasting both of our time because besides pressure they are completely different which is why Timothy has been so much more successful.
I think JMM is a terrific fighter, but a guy with substance with Bradley's style and skill will beat him almost everytime. He is just poorly equipped if a guy jab effective and move, not just JMM but almost all mexican fighters are. It's not an insult its just how styles work.