ok so i dont know if this has been done before but the RJJ who beat ruiz vs todays haye who wins?
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ok so i dont know if this has been done before but the RJJ who beat ruiz vs todays haye who wins?
Love Roy but I think haye catches him and stops him
Thats how I would see it going as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448
Jones. Easily potshot the shit out of Haye for twelve rounds.
Same thoughts. Haye HASN'T beaten a decent HW yet. Jones Jr would dance around him and win all the rounds. Haye doesn't throw more than 30 punches a round, he wouldn't have worried Jones in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
I don't no miles, haye only needs one and he's very quick himself. Yeah rjj was capable of almost anything back in the day, but I see haye stopping him. I no alot a people don't like haye for his shenanagens, but if u look past that he's a damn good fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by milesSame thoughts. Haye HASN'T beaten a decent HW yet. Jones Jr would dance around him and win all the rounds. Haye doesn't throw more than 30 punches a round, he wouldn't have worried Jones in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
I don't get all these threads about "who would win between a prime RJJ and ...."
For me, a Prime RJJ would have beaten anyone. On his day, Roy is the best I've ever seen.
Case closedQuote:
Originally Posted by bzkfn
There's a difference between quick and Roy Jones quick. Haye might be able to pump his fastball at a good 90, 91 mph. Jones is throwing his at 100 plus.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448I don't no miles, haye only needs one and he's very quick himself. Yeah rjj was capable of almost anything back in the day, but I see haye stopping him. I no alot a people don't like haye for his shenanagens, but if u look past that he's a damn good fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by milesSame thoughts. Haye HASN'T beaten a decent HW yet. Jones Jr would dance around him and win all the rounds. Haye doesn't throw more than 30 punches a round, he wouldn't have worried Jones in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere's a difference between quick and Roy Jones quick. Haye might be able to pump his fastball at a good 90, 91 mph. Jones is throwing his at 100 plus.Quote:
Originally Posted by paddy448I don't no miles, haye only needs one and he's very quick himself. Yeah rjj was capable of almost anything back in the day, but I see haye stopping him. I no alot a people don't like haye for his shenanagens, but if u look past that he's a damn good fighterQuote:
Originally Posted by milesSame thoughts. Haye HASN'T beaten a decent HW yet. Jones Jr would dance around him and win all the rounds. Haye doesn't throw more than 30 punches a round, he wouldn't have worried Jones in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Fair comment
I think possibly the RJJ who beat ruiz would beat every heavyweight out there today except maybe vitali?
RJJ did beat a terrible heavyweight champ in ruiz- one of the worst of all time but then so did haye in his titlefight vs valuev.
The only reason RJJ dropped backdown in weight after winning title was cos there was no way he would of stepped in the ring with lennox lewis so it was pointless him staying at that weight.
RJJ makes him look stupid and wins every round imo
yeah i just cant see RJJ letting haye get close, think he would of peppered haye with shots all night winning unaminous decisionQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
If haye connects its all over.
To be fair a lot of people may say the same thing about RJJ... depending on how shite you think haye's chin is or not.
Haye is fast for a bigger guy... but for once I am in total agreement with VD (and on the subject of David Haye no less) Haye is fast... but I don't think I've seen anybody who wasn't as skinny as piss/punched with no pop punch as fast as RJJ in his prime.
Never seen anybody punch quite as fast with as much sting on their shots... not above middleweight anyways.
Haye is also fairly mobile... for a bigger guy, but again in terms of foot speed he isn't keeping up with Roy either.
Jones is my hero but even in his prime I think Haye would have the speed to catch him a couple of times and with the size difference and Hayes natural power, I think that would be it for Jones!
Haye wins easy, look what he did to Ruiz who came in good shape. Roy outboxed the slow heavyweight but Haye is way faster and better. Roy would not step in the ring with haye.
Haye smashed to bits the only heavyweight Roy ever fought. You need a rethink.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSame thoughts. Haye HASN'T beaten a decent HW yet. Jones Jr would dance around him and win all the rounds. Haye doesn't throw more than 30 punches a round, he wouldn't have worried Jones in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Haye has had the advantage in every one of his fights of being the faster guy. After being beaten to the punch by a faster Jones, Haye would start to mug, try to shrug it off and then wing a lot of heavy leather and use a weight advantage. A few rounds and Haye goes into a shell like a lot of Roy's other opponents. Haye telegraphs his shots too. Its not that Roy would have been too fast for Haye.... but that he would have been faster and too smart. Haye wouldn't have been a guy that Roy had to keep in the middle of the ring....Haye would be there voluntarily. If Monte Barrett could catch Haye... Roy would have cut him to pieces.
I think the 31 year old prime Ruiz, Jones beat might of been a little bit better than the 38 shot Ruiz, Haye beatQuote:
Originally Posted by FensterHaye smashed to bits the only heavyweight Roy ever fought. You need a rethink.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSame thoughts. Haye HASN'T beaten a decent HW yet. Jones Jr would dance around him and win all the rounds. Haye doesn't throw more than 30 punches a round, he wouldn't have worried Jones in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Roy is one of my favorites, but I don't see him not getting knocked out. He was getting caught by punches by that time in his career, and Haye would be almost as fast and hits way harder than Roy. He would be fast enough to catch Roy, and he uses a jab which Roy doesn't do overly well, except against Ruiz and Pazienza. Either way I think Roy gets stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamGB
It would have never happened. Not that Roy was a puss (and hypothetically he shouldn't have taken any stick for not wanting to fight a guy like Haye) but he wouldn't have wanted to deal with a big heavyweight with speed like Haye's. Ruiz was the perfect mark. Some power but plodding, slow, and not extremely active.
Haye knocks him out.
Haye smashed to bits an ancient semi-retired version of a never particularly good Ruiz. It was a little bit like Calzaghe beating up on an ancient Roy Jones Jr. Ruiz was a shot fighter, but unlike Jones was never particularly good to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHaye smashed to bits the only heavyweight Roy ever fought. You need a rethink.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSame thoughts. Haye HASN'T beaten a decent HW yet. Jones Jr would dance around him and win all the rounds. Haye doesn't throw more than 30 punches a round, he wouldn't have worried Jones in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Haye hasn't won a meaningful fight at HW IMO, I really think Holyfield beat Valuev far more impressively than Haye did.
Right, so using your logic Roy has never fought a decent heavyweight either, so considering he's a 5'10, natural lightheavyweight who is totally unproven at heavyweight, it's stretching it a bit to think he could deal with a 6'3, naturally 30lbs heavier KO artist.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHaye smashed to bits an ancient semi-retired version of a never particularly good Ruiz. It was a little bit like Calzaghe beating up on an ancient Roy Jones Jr. Ruiz was a shot fighter, but unlike Jones was never particularly good to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHaye smashed to bits the only heavyweight Roy ever fought. You need a rethink.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSame thoughts. Haye HASN'T beaten a decent HW yet. Jones Jr would dance around him and win all the rounds. Haye doesn't throw more than 30 punches a round, he wouldn't have worried Jones in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Haye hasn't won a meaningful fight at HW IMO, I really think Holyfield beat Valuev far more impressively than Haye did.
I mean if Lou DelValle can floor Roy then imagine what happens if Haye hits him. Frightening. Roy will be unconcious from a semi-clip. It's just logical. Fact.
The heavyweight version of Roy Jones would not be able to beat Haye. I know people think Haye is a waste of space, but he would beat Roy. Haye is a more natural heavyweight and would eventually catch Roy.
The Jones Jr of several years ago was able to beat Ruiz without breaking a sweat. It's a possibility that Jones gets knocked out, but it's also quite possible that Jones outworks him for a decision. I am not sold on Haye as a HW and the Jones of yesteryear was quicker and seldom took a flush shot. Not saying your wrong as this is boxing, but Jones with all his speed and movement would be a tough fight for Haye.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterRight, so using your logic Roy has never fought a decent heavyweight either, so considering he's a 5'10, natural lightheavyweight who is totally unproven at heavyweight, it's stretching it a bit to think he could deal with a 6'3, naturally 30lbs heavier KO artist.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesHaye smashed to bits an ancient semi-retired version of a never particularly good Ruiz. It was a little bit like Calzaghe beating up on an ancient Roy Jones Jr. Ruiz was a shot fighter, but unlike Jones was never particularly good to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterHaye smashed to bits the only heavyweight Roy ever fought. You need a rethink.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesSame thoughts. Haye HASN'T beaten a decent HW yet. Jones Jr would dance around him and win all the rounds. Haye doesn't throw more than 30 punches a round, he wouldn't have worried Jones in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fightfan
Haye hasn't won a meaningful fight at HW IMO, I really think Holyfield beat Valuev far more impressively than Haye did.
I mean if Lou DelValle can floor Roy then imagine what happens if Haye hits him. Frightening. Roy will be unconcious from a semi-clip. It's just logical. Fact.
One fight at heavyweight against Ruiz, does not make you a good heavyweight. A snail could make Ruiz look quick.
Haye has only a few fights against mediocre heavyweights himself. He isn't even a fully sized heavyweight as his weigh in against Harrison showed. Beating a couple of journey men and winning a paper belt against the worst champ does not make Haye a good HW. We are all dismissing Jones based on what has happened since he went back down after trimming the muscle against Ruiz. Before then Jones Jr was still the best fighter in the world. Haye is not as quick as Jones and has stamina issues. Jones would pot shot and move and frustrate Haye. Sure, Haye might get lucky and spark him out, but few people landed clean on Jones back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master