Is Donaire on PEDs? He openly admits to having Victor Conte in his corner.

Like I've said he openly admits to having Victor Conte supply him with all kinds of stuff. Conte was connected to Mosley, Barry Bonds, Marion Jones and so many athletes that doped up.

It doesn't look good when you're climbing the weights and knocking guys out left and right and being associated with someone notorious as Conte.

When you knowingly associate with someone as notorious as Conte, Donaire shouldn't be surprised many people will question his performances. That's all I'm saying.

Doesn't Andre Ward work with Conte too?

Nice bait thread GB ;D

Yeah...until he fails a test, any suspicion is suspicious.

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Doesn't Andre Ward work with Conte too?

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And some fans are suspicious of Ward too. All I'm saying is that Conte is notorious for supplying top athletes with PEDs. I don't think that's even up for debate.

And in this era of extreme skepticism. Wouldn't it be wise to avoid that?

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Yeah...until he fails a test, any suspicion is suspicious.

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Shane Mosley never failed a drug test also.

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And some fans are suspicious of Ward too. All I'm saying is that Conte is notorious for supplying top athletes with PEDs. I don't think that's even up for debate.

And in this era of extreme skepticism. Wouldn't it be wise to avoid that?

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Is he that stupid to repeat the same crime after paying heavy fine and serving 4 months in prison?

He said here's my arm bring on the needle. He obviously isnt worried about getting tested. Just give him props, he is pretty big for that weight, and put some stank on that perfect connection, same shot that took out Darchinyan.

If they are injecting anything into him it's helium imo. The must have to put lead weights in his boots when he fights to stop him floating away.

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He said here's my arm bring on the needle. He obviously isnt worried about getting tested. Just give him props, he is pretty big for that weight, and put some stank on that perfect connection, same shot that took out Darchinyan.

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Yeah. I saw that VTR too. He said something like "here's my arm and vein, 24/7, take my blood".

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He said here's my arm bring on the needle. He obviously isnt worried about getting tested. Just give him props, he is pretty big for that weight, and put some stank on that perfect connection, same shot that took out Darchinyan.

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Yeah. I saw that VTR too. He said something like "here's my arm and vein, 24/7, take my blood".

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Did he say it with a squeaky voice?

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Yeah...until he fails a test, any suspicion is suspicious.

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Shane Mosley never failed a drug test also.

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Yep - and many other elite fighters have never failed a test either. Does that mean they're using PEDs? Just because they perform well? If Montiel had won, would you have accused him of PED use? It's quite pointless, really.

You can point fingers at any boxer you like. In this era where drugs can be tailor made to beat the test, you should just go ahead and assume every fighter is on PEDs. That makes the most sense.

Seriously g'bulldog... you sound like Mayweather Sr. version 2.0! LOL. Eat crow and pay your respect, it'll make you feel better!

Hope Montiel is OK. When someone retires, if that the case here, they need all their faculties intact for their loved ones.

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He said here's my arm bring on the needle. He obviously isnt worried about getting tested. Just give him props, he is pretty big for that weight, and put some stank on that perfect connection, same shot that took out Darchinyan.

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Yeah. I saw that VTR too. He said something like "here's my arm and vein, 24/7, take my blood".

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Did he say it with a squeaky voice?

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Lol. I really can't tell. He was wearing jet fighter pilot mask.

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Yeah...until he fails a test, any suspicion is suspicious.

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Shane Mosley never failed a drug test also.

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Yep - and many other elite fighters have never failed a test either. Does that mean they're using PEDs? Just because they perform well? If Montiel had won, would you have accused him of PED use? It's quite pointless, really.

You can point fingers at any boxer you like. In this era where drugs can be tailor made to beat the test, you should just go ahead and assume every fighter is on PEDs. That makes the most sense.

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Montiel doesn't associate with someone as notorious as Conte. Here's Shane Mosley's disposition. He knowingly took EPO to boost his performance. Mosley didn't fail any test. He also hooked up with Conte.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JMIB7g1mq0

Victor Conte has now switched to the side of law enforcement, helping out on the detection/prevention and designing ways to combat these bad practices. Haha!

Donaire's choice of Conte as his strength and conditioning coach is radical to some degree, but likewise commendable in his giving the "sorrowful" a second chance... a redemption of some sort if you will.

Unfortunately, Donaire in doing so likewise can easily be an easy prey for the wagging and, misappropriated tongue!

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Yeah...until he fails a test, any suspicion is suspicious.

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Shane Mosley never failed a drug test also.

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Yep - and many other elite fighters have never failed a test either. Does that mean they're using PEDs? Just because they perform well? If Montiel had won, would you have accused him of PED use? It's quite pointless, really.

You can point fingers at any boxer you like. In this era where drugs can be tailor made to beat the test, you should just go ahead and assume every fighter is on PEDs. That makes the most sense.

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Montiel doesn't associate with someone as notorious as Conte. Here's Shane Mosley's disposition. He knowingly took EPO to boost his performance. Mosley didn't fail any test. He also hooked up with Conte.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JMIB7g1mq0

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Please stop. It's pathetic.

Just comfort VD. He needs a shoulder to cry on right now.

I think Donaire has made a career mistake with Conte. For a smart man, I think Conte is kinda stupid.

What Conte has done is use a "smart ass way" for the body to produce EPO it wouldn't otherwise produce naturally. It's semantics. Those that are against the use of unnatural elements in the games will go after him to outlaw the tents, masks and the like.

Personally, I believe EPO's real power is the placebo effect. It doesn't give a fighter more skills, power, speed or punch resistance and the only time anyone can put up a tangible argument in a contests outcome, is if stamina is involved.

So the thing is when they take the blood sample, the profile will show unnatural levels of EPO in the blood which is a the red flag for further testing to look for synthetic drugs. however since the method of over producing the EPO was through tricking the boding, there is no synthetic EPO to find. Thus there is no PED's in Donaire's system.

I think he's doing the B-Side Meth. ;D

I think he knows the risk being associated with Conte, and he know as well that his fellow filipino is being suspected of the A-Side. He knows these risks; he know too well that this issue is being talked alot at the moment, so if he's dirty it will come out before he even earn his first million.

But as he said, he's offering his arm for testing anytime. So, I guess his next opponent can request the test with no issues.

IMO, he's okay.

surley if donaire was using drugs of this kind Conte is the last person hed get invloved with, purley because it invites suspicion. Personally id want to keep it on the low if it were me and i was using PEDs ... having someone like Conte brings attention to the subject

his clean

In my view, Donaire did something truly beautiful saturday night, it blew me away for sure. I think we should start appreciating these guys for what they are. The speed and power truly mocks all. Obviously there's more to it than that, but it stands out above the crowd.

Guys like Pacquiao, Mayweather, Martinez and Donaire for me have the speed combined with power that the majority of people just can't stay in there with. This PED thing needs to be dropped unless guys test positive before or after fights. Simple as.

I actually thought Dirrell had the speed and power gifts to fall in the above category, if only he aplied himself better. If he wasn't such a chicken, David Haye could maybe drop into that category for me too.

I'm not going to give the opinion that Donaire is on something. But I'm also not going to say Bulldog is wrong for noting suspicion about suspicious hiring. Donaire brought in a guy in who is a known, proven, and convicted PED distributor. To make matters worse after Conte got out of prison he openly admitted and somewhat explained how he could beat today's testing and how dopers stay ahead of the testing. People have to stop being naive or sleeping on how relevant, readily available, and nearly rampant PEDs are in sports. Even amateur sports. Having said that...its jumping the gun to assume Donaire is on something illegal because of Conte. But its foolish to discredit the suspicion as to turn a blind eye.

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I'm not going to give the opinion that Donaire is on something. But I'm also not going to say Bulldog is wrong for noting suspicion about suspicious hiring. Donaire brought in a guy in who is a known, proven, and convicted PED distributor. To make matters worse after Conte got out of prison he openly admitted and somewhat explained how he could
beat today's testing and how dopers stay ahead of the testing. People
have to stop being naive or sleeping on how relevant, readily
available, and nearly rampant PEDs
are in sports. Even amateur sports.
Having said that...its jumping the
gun to assume Donaire is on
something illegal because of Conte.
But its foolish to discredit the
suspicion as to turn a blind
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If they are injecting anything into him it's helium imo. The must have to put lead weights in his boots when he fights to stop him floating away.

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well at least he is a talented.. and will make weight..

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surley if donaire was using drugs of this kind Conte is the last person hed get invloved with, purley because it invites suspicion. Personally id want to keep it on the low if it were me and i was using PEDs ... having someone like Conte brings attention to the subject

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conte does bring out the best in his athletes.. :/

i think most high level athletes are using drugs to enhance their performances.

sometimes its to help get over an injury. sometimes its to help get by a specific opponent. sometimes its all the time.

the drugs are designed to stay ahead of the testing methods...by the time the testing catches up with any given drug, most of the top level athletes have moved onto a newer undetectable one.

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Well, I think we have to ask the Mayweathers about their opinion on this -- perhaps they have something to say about Philippine-made a-side meth that makes bullets bounce off the skin..

how many of Conte's athletes have failed while they were still with him? When they left him they always failed..


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I forget what fight it was i was watching, i believe it was bertos last fight where conte said Berto was low in some things etc etc and he had him on a good diet......i couldn't stop laughing, especially how much more muscular berto looked....i say most guys are juicing, shit look at evander holyfield getting roids shipped to "evan fields" ..comical really....pacqiou is easy to accuse as well because his coach is on steroids for his health, amongst many others....shanes decline, jones decline, can be attributed to lack of steroid use..truth is....we have no fucking idea...mayweather could be the biggest jucier of them all ...but we wont know

Nonito on PEDS. Not sure about that. I remember before a fight (I think it was before the Montiel fight) how he looked to the cameras and said something like “You can check my blood anytime, 365 days of the year, no problem, I am not afraid” while he slapped his arm. I was surprised how he is Filipino and still didn’t care to say that knowing how Pac and his team have been reluctant to take the tests.