Wait for the tournament to finish and face the winner? Move up in weight and face one of the top guys at 122? Kameda?
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Wait for the tournament to finish and face the winner? Move up in weight and face one of the top guys at 122? Kameda?
His personal choice is to be an undisputed champ at 118 first then move up.
But I heard his handlers want bigger dough north of that division.
Well we know from how long it took him to fight some decent opp after beating Darchinyan that he won't worry about waiting as long as it takes for those guys to become free.
They are his options. Really, I'd like to see him fight Kameda. The Bantam Tournament has produced close fights thus far and I think there could be a rematch or 2 between some of those guys. I'd rather not see him move up until he's had at least 1 more fight at Bantam.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I'd really like him to fight Kameda for sure, and maybe Agbeko if he comes through the Tournie as winner, not sure Mares deals with Donaires speed and power. Agbeko I'd say maybe takes Donaires shots better and keeps the pressure on.
Sweep up the division and then take the trip onward and upward. He has the frame to make it all the way up to lightweight IMO as long as long as its done steadily.
I told nonito to pick up titles in each division and then eventually face one of the featherweights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Preferably; Kameda, Rafa, Juanma/Gamboa.
Most people would likely say it can't be done but to earn legendary status he should try.
I would really like to see Nonito Donaire vs Hozumi Hasegawa soon.
I think a excellent move for Donaire would be to go all the way to 126lbs and take out Chris John.
he needs to clean out 118 that would be a way bigger statement than taking out the weakest champion at 126Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
JuanMa and then Nonitos heavy handsQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainI told nonito to pick up titles in each division and then eventually face one of the featherweights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Preferably; Kameda, Rafa, Juanma/Gamboa.
Most people would likely say it can't be done but to earn legendary status he should try.
damnnn id feel sorry for Rafael
He's already made that statement by taking out Montiel. Time to move on. He could jump ring in there with Lopez....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe needs to clean out 118 that would be a way bigger statement than taking out the weakest champion at 126Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
yea cause fighting a former 112 lb fighter is the same thing as beating up on a guy who is pretty much a full fledged lightweight, that's the problem with you, you think that by getting one belt or one big fight in a division means that he's automatically dominated the division, Pacquiao picked up a title at 135 and yet when you really look back at it he did JACK SHIT AT LIGHTWEGIHT, i think it's a hell of a lot more impressive to clean out a division then to jump nit picking weight classes and picking up belts more often then not against the weakest title holder in the division, which at 126 would be Chris John not Juanma LopezQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyHe's already made that statement by taking out Montiel. Time to move on. He could jump ring in there with Lopez....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe needs to clean out 118 that would be a way bigger statement than taking out the weakest champion at 126Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
It was a very short fight with Montiel and he can fight soon. A Moreno unification in the same night with Agbeko/Mares would be good. It would set up perfectly a fight between the winners, for the undisputed world champion.
What the fuk is up your arse? You offer nothing about what I think! If you read anything into my posts, you would know that I feel boxing should have a unified ranking system rather than the convoluted crap it now has. Any fighter who wants to be labeled a World Champion should unify the belts. Money and risk are a big influence in a fighter's career path so it's not only about being a world champion. The bigger money for Doniare is at 126. Sticking around at 118 will not bring him into the PPV level, unless his new fans boost his draw. John is a rung on the ladder setting up a major sanctioned card. I don't see how he jumps in there against Lopez or Gambo and it be a sanctioned fight. Although Arum has done it before. Where do you get lightweight from? neither Chris John nor Juanma Lopez have fought above 126.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea cause fighting a former 112 lb fighter is the same thing as beating up on a guy who is pretty much a full fledged lightweight, that's the problem with you, you think that by getting one belt or one big fight in a division means that he's automatically dominated the division, Pacquiao picked up a title at 135 and yet when you really look back at it he did JACK SHIT AT LIGHTWEGIHT, i think it's a hell of a lot more impressive to clean out a division then to jump nit picking weight classes and picking up belts more often then not against the weakest title holder in the division, which at 126 would be Chris John not Juanma LopezQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyHe's already made that statement by taking out Montiel. Time to move on. He could jump ring in there with Lopez....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe needs to clean out 118 that would be a way bigger statement than taking out the weakest champion at 126Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
you say he beat Montiel so should just move on, then say a guy should unify all the belts, all you do is contradict yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWhat the fuk is up your arse? You offer nothing about what I think! If you read anything into my posts, you would know that I feel boxing should have a unified ranking system rather than the convoluted crap it now has. Any fighter who wants to be labeled a World Champion should unify the belts. Money and risk are a big influence in a fighter's career path so it's not only about being a world champion. The bigger money for Doniare is at 126. Sticking around at 118 will not bring him into the PPV level, unless his new fans boost his draw. John is a rung on the ladder setting up a major sanctioned card. I don't see how he jumps in there against Lopez or Gambo and it be a sanctioned fight. Although Arum has done it before. Where do you get lightweight from? neither Chris John nor Juanma Lopez have fought above 126.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea cause fighting a former 112 lb fighter is the same thing as beating up on a guy who is pretty much a full fledged lightweight, that's the problem with you, you think that by getting one belt or one big fight in a division means that he's automatically dominated the division, Pacquiao picked up a title at 135 and yet when you really look back at it he did JACK SHIT AT LIGHTWEGIHT, i think it's a hell of a lot more impressive to clean out a division then to jump nit picking weight classes and picking up belts more often then not against the weakest title holder in the division, which at 126 would be Chris John not Juanma LopezQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyHe's already made that statement by taking out Montiel. Time to move on. He could jump ring in there with Lopez....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe needs to clean out 118 that would be a way bigger statement than taking out the weakest champion at 126Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Donaire has already headlined ppv events and with the amount of attention 118 has been getting by Showtime i don't think it would be hard to sell a PPV
John is just the other guy at 126, Lopez and Gamboa are the only two that really matter in that weight class and if you look and Lopez and his structure he could easily be competing at 135, same as how you can look at Donaire and say he shouldn't be anywhere near 112 instead he should be 10 lbs north of there
I didn't make a contradiction. Don't combine my replies and rewrite them to make new statements and you will be less confused. Doing that takes the statements out of context. Re-read the italicized statement and apply it to your first response. The statements in bold should help you to comprehend what you incorrectly say I think. The bold italicized statements are part of the basis for why I think Donaire should move on to the 126 division and followed by additional clarification statements. I realize this is a bit too complex for you but I don't feel like spending the time to dumb it down any further.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou say he beat Montiel so should just move on, then say a guy should unify all the belts, all you do is contradict yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWhat the fuk is up your arse? You offer nothing about what I think! If you read anything into my posts, you would know that I feel boxing should have a unified ranking system rather than the convoluted crap it now has. Any fighter who wants to be labeled a World Champion should unify the belts. Money and risk are a big influence in a fighter's career path so it's not only about being a world champion. The bigger money for Doniare is at 126. Sticking around at 118 will not bring him into the PPV level, unless his new fans boost his draw. John is a rung on the ladder setting up a major sanctioned card. I don't see how he jumps in there against Lopez or Gambo and it be a sanctioned fight. Although Arum has done it before. Where do you get lightweight from? neither Chris John nor Juanma Lopez have fought above 126.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea cause fighting a former 112 lb fighter is the same thing as beating up on a guy who is pretty much a full fledged lightweight, that's the problem with you, you think that by getting one belt or one big fight in a division means that he's automatically dominated the division, Pacquiao picked up a title at 135 and yet when you really look back at it he did JACK SHIT AT LIGHTWEGIHT, i think it's a hell of a lot more impressive to clean out a division then to jump nit picking weight classes and picking up belts more often then not against the weakest title holder in the division, which at 126 would be Chris John not Juanma LopezQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyHe's already made that statement by taking out Montiel. Time to move on. He could jump ring in there with Lopez....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe needs to clean out 118 that would be a way bigger statement than taking out the weakest champion at 126Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Donaire has already headlined ppv events and with the amount of attention 118 has been getting by Showtime i don't think it would be hard to sell a PPV
John is just the other guy at 126, Lopez and Gamboa are the only two that really matter in that weight class and if you look and Lopez and his structure he could easily be competing at 135, same as how you can look at Donaire and say he shouldn't be anywhere near 112 instead he should be 10 lbs north of there
hahaha whatever dude really, all you do is talk out of your ass, probably cause 99% of the time you're busy sucking on guys like Donaire or Pacquiaos dick hahaha :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyI didn't make a contradiction. Don't combine my replies and rewrite them to make new statements and you will be less confused. Doing that takes the statements out of context. Re-read the italicized statement and apply it to your first response. The statements in bold should help you to comprehend what you incorrectly say I think. The bold italicized statements are part of the basis for why I think Donaire should move on to the 126 division and followed by additional clarification statements. I realize this is a bit too complex for you but I don't feel like spending the time to dumb it down any further.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou say he beat Montiel so should just move on, then say a guy should unify all the belts, all you do is contradict yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWhat the fuk is up your arse? You offer nothing about what I think! If you read anything into my posts, you would know that I feel boxing should have a unified ranking system rather than the convoluted crap it now has. Any fighter who wants to be labeled a World Champion should unify the belts. Money and risk are a big influence in a fighter's career path so it's not only about being a world champion. The bigger money for Doniare is at 126. Sticking around at 118 will not bring him into the PPV level, unless his new fans boost his draw. John is a rung on the ladder setting up a major sanctioned card. I don't see how he jumps in there against Lopez or Gambo and it be a sanctioned fight. Although Arum has done it before. Where do you get lightweight from? neither Chris John nor Juanma Lopez have fought above 126.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea cause fighting a former 112 lb fighter is the same thing as beating up on a guy who is pretty much a full fledged lightweight, that's the problem with you, you think that by getting one belt or one big fight in a division means that he's automatically dominated the division, Pacquiao picked up a title at 135 and yet when you really look back at it he did JACK SHIT AT LIGHTWEGIHT, i think it's a hell of a lot more impressive to clean out a division then to jump nit picking weight classes and picking up belts more often then not against the weakest title holder in the division, which at 126 would be Chris John not Juanma LopezQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyHe's already made that statement by taking out Montiel. Time to move on. He could jump ring in there with Lopez....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe needs to clean out 118 that would be a way bigger statement than taking out the weakest champion at 126Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Donaire has already headlined ppv events and with the amount of attention 118 has been getting by Showtime i don't think it would be hard to sell a PPV
John is just the other guy at 126, Lopez and Gamboa are the only two that really matter in that weight class and if you look and Lopez and his structure he could easily be competing at 135, same as how you can look at Donaire and say he shouldn't be anywhere near 112 instead he should be 10 lbs north of there
Just want to add that I disagree with that. John, Gamboa, and Lopez all matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou say he beat Montiel so should just move on, then say a guy should unify all the belts, all you do is contradict yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWhat the fuk is up your arse? You offer nothing about what I think! If you read anything into my posts, you would know that I feel boxing should have a unified ranking system rather than the convoluted crap it now has. Any fighter who wants to be labeled a World Champion should unify the belts. Money and risk are a big influence in a fighter's career path so it's not only about being a world champion. The bigger money for Doniare is at 126. Sticking around at 118 will not bring him into the PPV level, unless his new fans boost his draw. John is a rung on the ladder setting up a major sanctioned card. I don't see how he jumps in there against Lopez or Gambo and it be a sanctioned fight. Although Arum has done it before. Where do you get lightweight from? neither Chris John nor Juanma Lopez have fought above 126.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea cause fighting a former 112 lb fighter is the same thing as beating up on a guy who is pretty much a full fledged lightweight, that's the problem with you, you think that by getting one belt or one big fight in a division means that he's automatically dominated the division, Pacquiao picked up a title at 135 and yet when you really look back at it he did JACK SHIT AT LIGHTWEGIHT, i think it's a hell of a lot more impressive to clean out a division then to jump nit picking weight classes and picking up belts more often then not against the weakest title holder in the division, which at 126 would be Chris John not Juanma LopezQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyHe's already made that statement by taking out Montiel. Time to move on. He could jump ring in there with Lopez....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe needs to clean out 118 that would be a way bigger statement than taking out the weakest champion at 126Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Donaire has already headlined ppv events and with the amount of attention 118 has been getting by Showtime i don't think it would be hard to sell a PPV
John is just the other guy at 126, Lopez and Gamboa are the only two that really matter in that weight class and if you look and Lopez and his structure he could easily be competing at 135, same as how you can look at Donaire and say he shouldn't be anywhere near 112 instead he should be 10 lbs north of there
given how shitty John looked in both efforts against Juarez of all people, and given the fact that he's the one who's been at that weight pretty much all of his career and yet he still has the weakest resume at 126 of the 3 (his biggest accomplishment was a gift hometown decision against JMM) he's basically just the other guy who has a belt, meaning he's little more than the David Diaz of the featherweight divisionQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratJust want to add that I disagree with that. John, Gamboa, and Lopez all matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou say he beat Montiel so should just move on, then say a guy should unify all the belts, all you do is contradict yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyWhat the fuk is up your arse? You offer nothing about what I think! If you read anything into my posts, you would know that I feel boxing should have a unified ranking system rather than the convoluted crap it now has. Any fighter who wants to be labeled a World Champion should unify the belts. Money and risk are a big influence in a fighter's career path so it's not only about being a world champion. The bigger money for Doniare is at 126. Sticking around at 118 will not bring him into the PPV level, unless his new fans boost his draw. John is a rung on the ladder setting up a major sanctioned card. I don't see how he jumps in there against Lopez or Gambo and it be a sanctioned fight. Although Arum has done it before. Where do you get lightweight from? neither Chris John nor Juanma Lopez have fought above 126.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyea cause fighting a former 112 lb fighter is the same thing as beating up on a guy who is pretty much a full fledged lightweight, that's the problem with you, you think that by getting one belt or one big fight in a division means that he's automatically dominated the division, Pacquiao picked up a title at 135 and yet when you really look back at it he did JACK SHIT AT LIGHTWEGIHT, i think it's a hell of a lot more impressive to clean out a division then to jump nit picking weight classes and picking up belts more often then not against the weakest title holder in the division, which at 126 would be Chris John not Juanma LopezQuote:
Originally Posted by fan johnnyHe's already made that statement by taking out Montiel. Time to move on. He could jump ring in there with Lopez....Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshe needs to clean out 118 that would be a way bigger statement than taking out the weakest champion at 126Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny
Donaire has already headlined ppv events and with the amount of attention 118 has been getting by Showtime i don't think it would be hard to sell a PPV
John is just the other guy at 126, Lopez and Gamboa are the only two that really matter in that weight class and if you look and Lopez and his structure he could easily be competing at 135, same as how you can look at Donaire and say he shouldn't be anywhere near 112 instead he should be 10 lbs north of there