I have faith in his awkward style. You gotta always remember the awkward guys. They will surprise you sometimes. I also think Cotto is shot.
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I have faith in his awkward style. You gotta always remember the awkward guys. They will surprise you sometimes. I also think Cotto is shot.
and what drugs exactly arent you on at this precise point in time?
Im with you!Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
If He can overwhelm a top pound for pound fighter in 2 im sure he can do it to a small, shop worn fighter who has no business this high in weight and who also got stunned by the non punching, hobbling, back peddling foreman.
The first 2 rounds will be hell for Cotto and Steward. No one has had an easy time in the first half of a fight with Mayorga but this time hes been held in his training camp and has just done 9 rounds against a genuine middle who he stopped.
Cotto wont deal with his strength and aggression and will either get stopped early trying to fire back or will gradually go in to his shell more and more until Steward pulls him out;)
Mayorga has a punchers chance, but I think that's about it. To actually give him a decent shot of winning rounds against Cotto is very wishful thinking imo. Were he in his prime, Id actually favour him to win convincingly, especially at this weight. But Mayorgas chin has been dented big time now and he's way more shot than Cotto, I'd be surprised if Miguel doesn't hurt him when he lands big. Ricardo is 37 has never taken care of himself, and fought Mosley at 154 over two years ago. He looked good for much of that fight but nonethless he was knocked out again.. He then took a year off and couldn't even make 160 for his last fight. The guy he fought there had been Koed several times consecutively before facing Mayorga. Watch him fight the corpse of Fernando Vargas and tell me that's a guy that will beat Cotto. He could barely even hurt Vargas who had been KO'ed brutally by Mosley when he had a lot more in the tank.. Mayorga hasn't actually stopped a good fighter since Vernon Forrest in 2003, and has BEEN knocked out by the 3 world class fighters he has faced since. I do think that since people are still giving Mayorga a chance kind of says people know Cotto wouldnt have beaten him in his prime as a WW.. But now? Only see Cotto taking this one.
What do you have against Cotto? Did he shag your sister or something? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
I like both guys, but I am backing Mayorga for sentimental reasons. I love his unorthodox style and the way he comes to fight no matter what. It's a fun matchup and there is no way we are going to see a dull fight. I can't wait for this one.
Ha....Cotto is going to school Mayorga. BOXING LESSON!
It might be a clinic even worst than the one DLH did give to him a few years back. Beside, if Cotto survived Margacheato potential loaded gloves in their match up, he'll survive Mayorga without the shadow of a doubt. Terrible mash out, Cotto ko 4.
I'm thinking more along the lines of Cotto TKO 8. Mayorga will come out swinging early but get picked off and slowly lose steam and Cotto's work to the body will make the last few rounds hard to watch because Mayorga will be standing still absorbing punishment and Cotto is going to land without taking anything in return...Cotto lasted a long time vs Margarito and his loaded wraps and vs Pacquiao with no trainer in his corner....I think Manny will bring him along nicelyQuote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
The key to beating Mayorga is straight punches down the middle!
Not as easy as it sounds though.;D
I would love that to happen but I don't think it will.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
ross is just pissy cause Cotto piledrived his mom hahahaha
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Originally Posted by porkypara
the key to beating mayorga is by just letting the guy punch himself out
cotto is far too intelligent a fighter to get involved in a fist fight with a brawler. Cotto in 5
So have hundreds of others but they don't receive the same amount of abuse Cotto gets. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Good work girls;DQuote:
Originally Posted by koppasSo have hundreds of others but they don't receive the same amount of abuse Cotto gets. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
In fact you will be like the play ground girls who hang around the Popular boy, like his cheerleaders and he picks a fight on the wrong "bigger boy" and as hes helped off the floor you will bitch that the "bigger boy" is just a nasty bully who should pick on someone his own size!;D
I can guarantee that this will not happen. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by rossGood work girls;DQuote:
Originally Posted by koppasSo have hundreds of others but they don't receive the same amount of abuse Cotto gets. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
In fact you will be like the play ground girls who hang around the Popular boy, like his cheerleaders and he picks a fight on the wrong "bigger boy" and as hes helped off the floor you will bitch that the "bigger boy" is just a nasty bully who should pick on someone his own size!;D
Will you quietly disperseas hes floundering around on the floor and the teacher has to pull the bigger boy off?;DQuote:
Originally Posted by koppasI can guarantee that this will not happen. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by rossGood work girls;DQuote:
Originally Posted by koppasSo have hundreds of others but they don't receive the same amount of abuse Cotto gets. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
In fact you will be like the play ground girls who hang around the Popular boy, like his cheerleaders and he picks a fight on the wrong "bigger boy" and as hes helped off the floor you will bitch that the "bigger boy" is just a nasty bully who should pick on someone his own size!;D
Mayorga wraps up Ocala training, heads to Vegas | Ocala.com
Mayorga wraps up Ocala training, heads to Vegas | Ocala.com
let's get back to the fight.........as far as I can see, Cotto started to get old overnight, as they say, in his last fight and a half. Not that those plaster wraps didnt also take too much out of him too..........anybody getting whipped BAD 2 of the last 3 or 4 fights is pretty much finished. Cotto is an OLD young man. Mayorga is pretty refreshed after a long layoff. Healed and well-conditioned apparently. Word is he has been sparring with a 165-pounder. I think his power will be more than anyone who Cotto faced.
He will strike early like a cobra. B4 you know it, Cotto willbe counted out, I'll say it will happen before the 1st minute of round 3 is gone. I think Pacquiao took whatever Cotto had left.
Look on the link I gave hes sparring Bobby Bryant and is knocking him down in sparring. Hes a big young light middle with power. Was trained by Buddy McGirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Bobby Bryant - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia
Bobby Bryant - Boxer
http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/...&MaxH=452&q=50
http://www.ocala.com/article/2011030...heads-to-Vegas
I love this whole "Cotto got old overnight" stuff...well what the hell is Mayorga?!?! When was the last time he was even competitive with a top tier fighter(which at 154 Cotto still is)? The facts are these Mayorga is 37, he hasn't been in great shape, he's never been solid on defense, the last few guys he's fought that were anywhere close to top tier were the fading superstars Mosley, De la Hoya, and Trinidad...he was stopped by all of them. The last "big fight" Mayorga won was the rematch to Vernon Forrest. He WAS competitive with Mosley.....but he still got KTFO.
Miguel Cotto got beat by a guy with plaster wraps and a prime Manny Pacquiao....and that makes him "old".....give me a freaking break.
I dont think Ccotto got old overnight. I just believe that he would never have coped with Mayorgas physical presence. His size, strength, power and aggrressive will.
Iv seen Cotto back peddle against similar fighters who put it on Miguel. If Cotto feels they are stronger than him he gives a bit.
I also believe had Mayorga had a different personality and actually knuckled down and trained hard that he could have beaten at least Trinidad and Mosley. Both he was doing very well with until he gassed late in the 1st with Trinidad (Only 4 weeks training) and around the 7th with Mosely. Oscar may always have done that, not sure.
Mayorga has stuck in training. Don King wants him to be used as a Pacquiao opponent, so sold the idea of him as Cottos first defence to Arum. He gave him a warm up fight against a similar styled fighter. He has also sent his right hand man and talent scout Al Bonnani down to Ocala to make sure that Mayorga is putting the work in. Hes also given him strong young up and coming fighters as sparring partners. Not faded old names after some cash.
That's all well and good, but Cotto is well rounded, more than people give him credit for. He boxes when he needs to and he goes to war when he needs to...odds are that Manny Steward will want him to box a little more. What's going to happen is he'll want Cotto to use the jab (he's got a good one), pick off Mayorga's big wide looping punches, and counter them and as always dig to the body. Cotto has always had good timing which has put him at an advantage when he fights someone with faster hands...but Mayorga doesn't exactly have blazing speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
Asw for size Mayorga is 2" taller and has maybe 3" in reach which would be wonderful for fighting Cotto if Mayorga knew what the hell to do with those things. Ricardo won't stay outside, he won't use his height, he may well weigh 170 on fight night but then again so will Cotto....I just see 0 advantage for Mayorga...0.
The longer the fight lasts, the worse it will get for Mayorga...he'll be severely outclassed.
Cotto is a tidy fighter and methodical but I just cant see him upping the gears enough to cope with the mayhem he is about to be faced with.
All ill say is Mayorga wins early, as in not on points. If it had been the Welter version of Mayorga I really do agree with this thread that Mayorga wins inside 2 rounds.
Just out of curiosity, has Mayorga ever been in a boxing match where he was considered the superior boxer?
Thats like asking if Joe Frazier or Rocky Marciano were!Quote:
Originally Posted by bcollins
the only one acting like a girl sucking on Mayorgas dick is you lol either way the fight is almost here which means you soon wont be, cause when Mayorga gets KTFO you will be nowhere to be foundQuote:
Originally Posted by rossWill you quietly disperseas hes floundering around on the floor and the teacher has to pull the bigger boy off?;DQuote:
Originally Posted by koppasI can guarantee that this will not happen. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by rossGood work girls;DQuote:
Originally Posted by koppasSo have hundreds of others but they don't receive the same amount of abuse Cotto gets. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
In fact you will be like the play ground girls who hang around the Popular boy, like his cheerleaders and he picks a fight on the wrong "bigger boy" and as hes helped off the floor you will bitch that the "bigger boy" is just a nasty bully who should pick on someone his own size!;D
Mayorga wraps up Ocala training, heads to Vegas | Ocala.com
Mayorga wraps up Ocala training, heads to Vegas | Ocala.com
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
You must be dreaming;D
You will probably come round just as Cotto does, while the ref is counting over him;)
just when i thought your boxing IQ couldn't get lower lol you just compared Ricardo Fucking Mayorga to Joe Frazier and Rocky Marciano hahahaha i was always taught to be nice to retards so....how are you doin buddy?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
You must be dreaming;D
You will probably come round just as Cotto does, while the ref is counting over him;)
Can't believe Mayorga wins this fight but he is exciting and fun to route for....speaking of shot fighters Mayorga's last two wins came against Michael Walker (Who?) and a faded Fernando Vargas. Gotta think Cotto has more left in the tank at this point and a better arsenal.
...He doesn't have the stamina or the endurance to cope with CottoQuote:
Originally Posted by ross
Agree with much of what your saying, Mayorga would have ravaged Cotto in their primes at welterweight. Cotto would not have been able to impose his will on Mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I still feel that may be the case NOW. Mayorga has a real shot of hurting Cotto, then overwhelming him. And your crazy if you think little Miguel could have beaten Vargas at 166 lbs, despite Vargas being over the hill, that is still WAY too big of weight for Cotto and Vargas woulda connected and KO'd him.
154 however is a good weight for Cotto to be fighting Mayorga, I think its pretty fair for both men, and of course its for Cotto's world title.
Vargas?!?!?!?! Are you shittin' me?!?!?! Cotto is too crafty for the likes of him no matter what the weight.
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Originally Posted by HulkAgree with much of what your saying, Mayorga would have ravaged Cotto in their primes at welterweight. Cotto would not have been able to impose his will on Mayorga.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pking
I still feel that may be the case NOW. Mayorga has a real shot of hurting Cotto, then overwhelming him. And your crazy if you think little Miguel could have beaten Vargas at 166 lbs, despite Vargas being over the hill, that is still WAY too big of weight for Cotto and Vargas woulda connected and KO'd him.
154 however is a good weight for Cotto to be fighting Mayorga, I think its pretty fair for both men, and of course its for Cotto's world title.
Vargas and Mayorga fought at 166 because both men had/have trouble cutting weight, Vargas had a spare tire around his waist for christs sake! As far as lean mass theres no way Vargas was carrying more than 154 lbs, just like he was when Mosley stopped him twice at that weight! The fact that was Mayorgas last decent win even though he didnt hurt such damaged goods is all I wa s pointing out. There is NO way Cotto is there for the taking more than that version of Vargas was, but Mayorga couldnt get it done even without having to shed a pound. Now he has to cut weight after a long layoff and step up to the elite again, I dont expect it to go any differently than every other time he has done so. Mayorga is getting stopped in this one.
Mayorga is going to get battered.....FACT
The reason Margarito beat Cotto is because Tony is a BIG CHEAT, without plaster of Paris Mayorga I now think gets destroyed in this one.
Come on Ross you know Elterrible is never wrong, just look at his sig. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesjust when i thought your boxing IQ couldn't get lower lol you just compared Ricardo Fucking Mayorga to Joe Frazier and Rocky Marciano hahahaha i was always taught to be nice to retards so....how are you doin buddy?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
You must be dreaming;D
You will probably come round just as Cotto does, while the ref is counting over him;)
I love how everyone likes to bash on Margarito like every fight he's had with loaded wraps, but gives Pac the benefit of the doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
Because his physique's mass/weight does not indicate anything else other than normal. Maybe he is from planet krypton:-XQuote:
Originally Posted by No ContestI love how everyone likes to bash on Margarito like every fight he's had with loaded wraps, but gives Pac the benefit of the doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
says the guy who gloated on that Duddy would be a world champ lol and yea look at my sig cause at least when i'm wrong i man up to it, not like ross who come next Saturday he'll be AWOL after Cotto demolishes MayorgaQuote:
Originally Posted by No ContestCome on Ross you know Elterrible is never wrong, just look at his sig. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesjust when i thought your boxing IQ couldn't get lower lol you just compared Ricardo Fucking Mayorga to Joe Frazier and Rocky Marciano hahahaha i was always taught to be nice to retards so....how are you doin buddy?Quote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
You must be dreaming;D
You will probably come round just as Cotto does, while the ref is counting over him;)
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Originally Posted by No ContestI love how everyone likes to bash on Margarito like every fight he's had with loaded wraps, but gives Pac the benefit of the doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
I love how people put possible steroid use and loaded handwraps in the same basket. Having said that, obviously Margarito is never going to get away with anything again, and I don't doubt Pacquiao is on something. I just can't for the life of me look at the two in the same vein. Understand the arguement for it to some extent, but loaded wraps is a deadly weapon and an idication of despicablly low morality.