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i have to say alverez being crowned world champ on saturday was pretty soft
I for one think both men deserved a shot at a title but perhaps more deserving at a different weight
then there was the weight issues before the fight, missing the agreed limit twice, the fight still going ahead with the world title still on the line (alright they were within the championship limit)
alverez clearly missing the weight, looked to me had had made little attempted to make it, so hatton was made (tricked) to come in a couple of pounds lighter, who knows what affect that had on him and what advantages it gave alverez, he was clearly looking much bigger on the night
I'd still have fought if i was hatton, give him a pat on the back, but going in to the ring he was definately given the short end of the stick and im not sure the winner deserves the belt
Most fighters that don't make weight, usually fight but don't get the title if they win. Why was this different?:confused:
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erics44
i have to say alverez being crowned world champ on saturday was pretty soft
I for one think both men deserved a shot at a title but perhaps more deserving at a different weight
then there was the weight issues before the fight, missing the agreed limit twice, the fight still going ahead with the world title still on the line (alright they were within the championship limit)
alverez clearly missing the weight, looked to me had had made little attempted to make it, so hatton was made (tricked) to come in a couple of pounds lighter, who knows what affect that had on him and what advantages it gave alverez, he was clearly looking much bigger on the night
I'd still have fought if i was hatton, give him a pat on the back, but going in to the ring he was definately given the short end of the stick and im not sure the winner deserves the belt
Most fighters that don't make weight, usually fight but don't get the title if they win. Why was this different?:confused:
Because Alvarez weighed 151.6. which is 3.4 lbs below the weight class limit of 154lbs.
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Without trying to slate the Brits (they'll be dozens worse than these) - Enzo Macc and Alex Arthur were both given the WBO title.
Enzo solidified his champ status by beating Mark Hobson (a man he'd already beat) and Arthur became champ with a win over Koba Gogoladze/Stephen Foster Jr.
That's pretty soft.
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Fenster
Without trying to slate the Brits (they'll be dozens worse than these) - Enzo Macc and Alex Arthur were both given the WBO title.
Enzo solidified his champ status by beating Mark Hobson (a man he'd already beat) and Arthur became champ with a win over Koba Gogoladze/Stephen Foster Jr.
That's pretty soft.
thats true arthur was a soft champ, did he ever get full status? i know he was interim
Enzo Maccs reign was perhaps was a bit soft at the start but he can consider himself champ, he looked good for a while and deserved to be there
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Fenster
Without trying to slate the Brits (they'll be dozens worse than these) - Enzo Macc and Alex Arthur were both given the WBO title.
Enzo solidified his champ status by beating Mark Hobson (a man he'd already beat) and Arthur became champ with a win over Koba Gogoladze/Stephen Foster Jr.
That's pretty soft.
thats true arthur was a soft champ, did he ever get full status? i know he was interim
Enzo Maccs reign was perhaps was a bit soft at the start but he can consider himself champ, he looked good for a while and deserved to be there
Arhtur lost the full WBO title to Nicky Cook. So he became full champ between Fost/Gog and the Cook fight.
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I think the softest world title win has to be Steve Robinson v John Davison , I use the term WORLD champion in a round about way as niether were ever elite or even close to it.
This was Frank Warren at his worst , in elite terms these two guys were a fucking joke , kinda sounds familier when talking about Warren.
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I think the softest world title win has to be Steve Robinson v John Davison , I use the term WORLD champion in a round about way as niether were ever elite or even close to it.
This was Frank Warren at his worst , in elite terms these two guys were a fucking joke , kinda sounds familier when talking about Warren.
What about Naz getting the title from Robinson then? pretty soft i'd say
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Dark Lord Al
I think the softest world title win has to be Steve Robinson v John Davison , I use the term WORLD champion in a round about way as niether were ever elite or even close to it.
This was Frank Warren at his worst , in elite terms these two guys were a fucking joke , kinda sounds familier when talking about Warren.
What about Naz getting the title from Robinson then? pretty soft i'd say
Well i consider Robinson v Davison the softest , which is why i stated that in the first fucking place.
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Dark Lord Al
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armyash
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Dark Lord Al
I think the softest world title win has to be Steve Robinson v John Davison , I use the term WORLD champion in a round about way as niether were ever elite or even close to it.
This was Frank Warren at his worst , in elite terms these two guys were a fucking joke , kinda sounds familier when talking about Warren.
What about Naz getting the title from Robinson then? pretty soft i'd say
Well i consider Robinson v Davison the softest , which is why i stated that in the first fucking place.
Yes, Naz was a good fighter but John Davidson was not and was supposed to beat Steve. Robinson went on to do well before he met Naz, so he was not a bad champ.
What about when Breland battered the Honeyghan, that was embarrassing.
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That was a great come from behind victory over Tommy when he was getting battered.
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Dark Lord Al
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armyash
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Dark Lord Al
I think the softest world title win has to be Steve Robinson v John Davison , I use the term WORLD champion in a round about way as niether were ever elite or even close to it.
This was Frank Warren at his worst , in elite terms these two guys were a fucking joke , kinda sounds familier when talking about Warren.
What about Naz getting the title from Robinson then? pretty soft i'd say
Well i consider Robinson v Davison the softest ,
which is why i stated that in the first fucking place.
D.I.L.D.O
try and get a discussion going and i get an arsey response :rolleyes:
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I had not looked at the wbc rankings before the fight. Martirosyan has a point all of the sudden Alvarez and Hatton are ranked above these guys and hasn't fought any of the contenders and the winner is given the interim and to add to it aren't being put into the mandatory eliminator?
2. Alfred Angulo
3. Paul Williams
4. Ryan Rhodes
5. Antonio Margarito
6. Vanes Martirosyan
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Unbeaten junior middleweight Vanes Martirosyan is not happy with the WBC's latest idea to stage an elimination tournament to decide a mandatory contender for junior middleweight champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez. The WBC fell under a black cloud after placing the vacant title up for grabs in Alvarez's fight with welterweight contender Matthew Hatton. Alvarez won the fight, by unanimous decision, last Saturday in Anaheim, California.
"Because there is much controversy, there will be an elimination tournament. Alfredo Angulo, who is number two, will fight in England or Mexico against Ryan Rhodes, who is the number four in the world. Vanes Martirosyan and Saul Román will face each other, and the winner will go against Paul Williams, who is already medically cleared, and whoever wins that will be the other contender," Sulaiman was quoted by BoxingScene.com's Jhonny Gonzalez.
Vanes wants Alvarez to be involved in the tournament. In his eyes, the WBC is protecting Canelo because, in his opinion, any of the boxers involved in the elimination tourney would beat the young Mexican boxer.
"Who is Canelo? Any of us mentioned in the story would beat him. He thinks he is Mayweather or Pacman. This is just too funny. He beat a Hatton but it wasn't Ricky. It was Matthew. He couldn't get a KO win against a welterweight after all that talk about his power. Now have all the top guys fight each other to face him. It shows how much they are tryin to protect him," Vanes told BoxingScene.com.
"Why not put Canelo in the tournament? At the rate they are going, maybe they should move Pacman's brother, Bobby, up to junior middleweight and then rank him as the #1 contender and have Canelo defend against him."
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As I recall Juan Urango vs. Nafeoul Ben Rabah was for the IBF world title.
That was a pretty soft title win for Urango seein as all Rabah did was run from him and try to barely out point him, which some people on here thought he did.
Either way Rabah faded into obscurity afterwards, heard he had one good action fight tho with somebody.
Urango would prove to be a pretty durable champion, fighting Hatton and Berto. Urango's best win was probably against Randal Bailey, he got up from one hell of a right hand.
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Tommy Morrison fighting - Tim Tomashek , who climbed into the ring out of the crowd. WBO JOKE AT ITS BEST.
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As I recall Juan Urango vs. Nafeoul Ben Rabah was for the IBF world title.
That was a pretty soft title win for Urango seein as all Rabah did was run from him and try to barely out point him, which some people on here thought he did.
Either way Rabah faded into obscurity afterwards, heard he had one good action fight tho with somebody.
Urango would prove to be a pretty durable champion, fighting Hatton and Berto. Urango's best win was probably against Randal Bailey, he got up from one hell of a right hand.
Yeah that one was the first that came to my mind. I think Rabah won...although he did run a shit load he still carried out a gameplan of hit and not get hit and Urango could not counter it.
Rabah had a good fight with Lovemore Ndou and lost it by tko by memory.
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Luis Santana winning one on his back vs Terry Norris....Hey he's a great but Chavez 'winning' his belt back from Randall by opting out (yep) was soft....Joey Gamache with Chil-something-Chun imported to his backyard....Berto had his very own Hatton-Esq showcase trinket win.
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Luis Santana winning one on his back vs Terry Norris....Hey he's a great but Chavez 'winning' his belt back from Randall by opting out (yep) was soft....Joey Gamache with Chil-something-Chun imported to his backyard....Berto had his very own Hatton-Esq showcase trinket win.
Berto's title win was total bullshit. Never seen that guy before or since. He looked like a greaser from "The Outsiders". Or a T-Bird from "Grease".
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Spicoli
Luis Santana winning one on his back vs Terry Norris....Hey he's a great but Chavez 'winning' his belt back from Randall by opting out (yep) was soft....Joey Gamache with Chil-something-Chun imported to his backyard....Berto had his very own Hatton-Esq showcase trinket win.
Berto's title win was total bullshit. Never seen that guy before or since. He looked like a greaser from
"The Outsiders". Or a T-Bird from "Grease".
Fooking 'Soda Pop' ;D Kept thinking of his win as Canelos came off. All I know is 'Soda pop' also lost to Baldo 3 meaningless fights before Berto....for the very same wbc trinket.
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Spicoli
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Hulk
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Spicoli
Luis Santana winning one on his back vs Terry Norris....Hey he's a great but Chavez 'winning' his belt back from Randall by opting out (yep) was soft....Joey Gamache with Chil-something-Chun imported to his backyard....Berto had his very own Hatton-Esq showcase trinket win.
Berto's title win was total bullshit. Never seen that guy before or since. He looked like a greaser from
"The Outsiders". Or a T-Bird from "Grease".
Fooking 'Soda Pop' ;D Kept thinking of his win as Canelos came off. All I know is 'Soda pop' also lost to Baldo 3 meaningless fights before Berto....for the very same wbc trinket.
Why do you call him "Soda pop" ? Was that his nick name ?
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Spicoli
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Hulk
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Spicoli
Luis Santana winning one on his back vs Terry Norris....Hey he's a great but Chavez 'winning' his belt back from Randall by opting out (yep) was soft....Joey Gamache with Chil-something-Chun imported to his backyard....Berto had his very own Hatton-Esq showcase trinket win.
Berto's title win was total bullshit. Never seen that guy before or since. He looked like a greaser from
"The Outsiders". Or a T-Bird from "Grease".
Fooking 'Soda Pop' ;D Kept thinking of his win as Canelos came off. All I know is 'Soda pop' also lost to Baldo 3 meaningless fights before Berto....for the very same wbc trinket.
Why do you call him "Soda pop" ? Was that his nick name ?
Haha sorry bud. I got ahead of myself again ;D....Soda pop was Emelio estevezs characters name is 'The Outsiders'...with the greasy hair.
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;D
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Spicoli
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Hulk
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Spicoli
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Hulk
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Spicoli
Luis Santana winning one on his back vs Terry Norris....Hey he's a great but Chavez 'winning' his belt back from Randall by opting out (yep) was soft....Joey Gamache with Chil-something-Chun imported to his backyard....Berto had his very own Hatton-Esq showcase trinket win.
Berto's title win was total bullshit. Never seen that guy before or since. He looked like a greaser from
"The Outsiders". Or a T-Bird from "Grease".
Fooking 'Soda Pop' ;D Kept thinking of his win as Canelos came off. All I know is 'Soda pop' also lost to Baldo 3 meaningless fights before Berto....for the very same wbc trinket.
Why do you call him "Soda pop" ? Was that his nick name ?
Haha sorry bud. I got ahead of myself again ....Soda pop was Emelio estevezs characters name is 'The Outsiders'...with the greasy hair.
Ah well I never seen the movie. ;D
Have seen "Grease" though for what thats worth
