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I know many of you are going for Martinez. But I got Dzinziruk by decision. He's the better boxer.
Martinez by KO.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
lets se what he does the kiev cruncher when he fights a guy like martinez who's fought top competition. and consistently. undefeeeated recors mean piss to me if its against unknowns.
Dzinziruk pissed Martinez off when he said that there really wasn't anything special about him. I think he'll change his tune when he's trying to shake the cobb webs out wondering what the license plate of the bus that hit him was.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Looks like Dzinziruk got somethin to prove.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
Yup. He's gonna come up short, though. He's a very good technical boxer but technique will only go so far when you're facing the angles and sneaky power Sergio has. Dzinziruk will jab behind a high guard and be tough to hit. I'm sure McGirt is figuring on the jab disrupting Sergio's timing but it's going to take more than that and all the "C'mon, baby"s that Buddy says aren't going to save Dzinziruk from drowning. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Looks like Dzinziruk got somethin to prove.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
All I have to say is these just came today...
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Am I the only one here who think this is a tough assignment for Martinez? Sure, he's got skills and power. But c'mon. I think he's being overrate right now. He's damn division is fully loaded, Pirog, Golovkin, Lemieux, Korobov. I mean he should stop acting like a coward and man up and face some real competition. The guy already ducked Pirog by trying to pick smaller men like Cotto, Mayweather, or Pacquaio.
He defeated the alcoholic Pavlik a guy with personal and physical ailments who probably his career was over at that time. He knocked out Williams which he had a hard time disposing him in their first fight... same Williams that already got exposed by Quintana. Sure he got robbed against Cintron... But he couldn't make a real statement against Cintron?... Cintron? :-\
We'll see. I'll sig bet you that "The coward" Martinez beats Dzinziruk.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Umm...mm Tsk!Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONWe'll see. I'll sig bet you that "The coward" Martinez beats Dzinziruk.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
My confident level is low on this one.
I tell what. I'll sig bet you when he fights Pirog! ;)
Fair enough :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Umm...mm Tsk!Quote:
Originally Posted by PRIDE OF BOSTONWe'll see. I'll sig bet you that "The coward" Martinez beats Dzinziruk.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
My confident level is low on this one.
I'll tell what. I'll sig bet you when he fights Pirog! ;)
Woah. This is completely uncalled for. While I agree that this is a tough assignment for Martinez, he by no means is acting like a coward. Talk about 20/20 hindsight. Williams was a top ten p4p fighter when he fought Martinez both times. Kelly Pavlik was only found to have substance abuse issues after he fought Martinez. He went into the Martinez fight as the 2-1 favorite. Check those facts. Couldn't make a statement against Cintron? He hit him so fast that Cintron and the Ref literally didn't know what hit him. In addition, Martinez only came up from junior middleweight for the Pavlik fight. Prior to that fight, he was fighting at 154.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Cotto fought Foreman at 154 and is fighting Mayorga at 154. Martinez fighting Cotto at 154 is not picking on a smaller man by any means. Martinez has said that he wouldn't fight Pacquiao because the size disparity is too great.
Has Martinez not earned the right to fight in big pay days?
There is a reason he is ranked in the top ten p4p because he's consistently faced the best competition out there and Dzinziruk is no exception. He is fighting the world's best junior middleweight right now in my opinion.
You mention Pirog, Golovkin, Korobov, and Lemiux. None of them have even been main fight on a Showtime card, let alone a HBO one. Hell, only Lemiuex and Korobov have even been on ESPN. How did they suddenly deserve a fight with Martinez?
I hadn't read he ducked Pirog? Where did you read that? Pirog was completely unknown to the vast majority of boxing fans and then made a huge statement by knocking out Danny Jacobs. So, what did he do with his new found fame? Work to get himself back on HBO? Talk his way into a fight with other big names in his division? Fight another undefeated up-and-comer? Nope. He went back to Russia and is fighting Javier Francisco Maciel in two weeks - an obscure Argentinian with not one key win. That is no way to show that you deserve a fight with Martinez. In fact, it's the exact opposite.
Now I posted before that Dzinziruk was a tough fight for anyone including Martinez. I still believe that to be the case. What Martinez has going for him is activity and consistently good showings against top quality opposition. In other words, experience. Dzinziruk's biggest win was against Daniel Santos. That's impressive, but it is nothing on Paul Williams, Kelly Pavlik, or even Kermit Cintron. The problem is that the fight has the potential to be a boring, tactical fight. So, while Manny fights an old Shane Mosley and Floyd remains inactive, Martinez is still fighting top guys in their prime.
You should give Martinez credit for this fight, not take it away from him.
I completely agree. Pirog, although a belt-holder isn't that well known and Martinez' reason for not taking it is that it wouldn't make sense. It wouldn't increase his stock, and it wouldn't make much money. If Pirog fought a few more well-known or ranked fighters than it would be a good fight and would do well, but fighting an unknown Argentinian back in Russia isn't going to help raise his profile. He had a perfect opportunity to make a name for himself after knocking out Jacobs, but he hasn't took it.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratWoah. This is completely uncalled for. While I agree that this is a tough assignment for Martinez, he by no means is acting like a coward. Talk about 20/20 hindsight. Williams was a top ten p4p fighter when he fought Martinez both times. Kelly Pavlik was only found to have substance abuse issues after he fought Martinez. He went into the Martinez fight as the 2-1 favorite. Check those facts. Couldn't make a statement against Cintron? He hit him so fast that Cintron and the Ref literally didn't know what hit him. In addition, Martinez only came up from junior middleweight for the Pavlik fight. Prior to that fight, he was fighting at 154.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Cotto fought Foreman at 154 and is fighting Mayorga at 154. Martinez fighting Cotto at 154 is not picking on a smaller man by any means. Martinez has said that he wouldn't fight Pacquiao because the size disparity is too great.
Has Martinez not earned the right to fight in big pay days?
There is a reason he is ranked in the top ten p4p because he's consistently faced the best competition out there and Dzinziruk is no exception. He is fighting the world's best junior middleweight right now in my opinion.
You mention Pirog, Golovkin, Korobov, and Lemiux. None of them have even been main fight on a Showtime card, let alone a HBO one. Hell, only Lemiuex and Korobov have even been on ESPN. How did they suddenly deserve a fight with Martinez?
I hadn't read he ducked Pirog? Where did you read that? Pirog was completely unknown to the vast majority of boxing fans and then made a huge statement by knocking out Danny Jacobs. So, what did he do with his new found fame? Work to get himself back on HBO? Talk his way into a fight with other big names in his division? Fight another undefeated up-and-comer? Nope. He went back to Russia and is fighting Javier Francisco Maciel in two weeks - an obscure Argentinian with not one key win. That is no way to show that you deserve a fight with Martinez. In fact, it's the exact opposite.
Now I posted before that Dzinziruk was a tough fight for anyone including Martinez. I still believe that to be the case. What Martinez has going for him is activity and consistently good showings against top quality opposition. In other words, experience. Dzinziruk's biggest win was against Daniel Santos. That's impressive, but it is nothing on Paul Williams, Kelly Pavlik, or even Kermit Cintron. The problem is that the fight has the potential to be a boring, tactical fight. So, while Manny fights an old Shane Mosley and Floyd remains inactive, Martinez is still fighting top guys in their prime.
You should give Martinez credit for this fight, not take it away from him.
As for this fight I got Martinez by KO. Should be a very interesting fight, I just feel Martinez will prove too good and too powerful
To say that martinez couldn't make a statement against cintron is erroneous. He hit the guy so hard and fast that cintron and the ref thought he got headbutted, that's as good as it gets, he beat the guy twice in one night only to get a draw. I think you're having a little bit of fun callin martinez a coward he's far from one, everyones resume can be taken apart but martinez last four fights have been against champs or former champs so whatever.He's pure class in victory and defeat and I think he 'll take a 8 to 4 ud or somewhere around there.
Martinez by mid fight KO or decision.
I got your back PSL, except for that coward part. :p I also am leaning towards Dzinziruk, just because I think he has one of the best jabs in boxing today. That is the perfect tool against a guy that uses weird angles like Martinez. He's not gonna be able to juke his way inside Dzinziruks highly accurate jab, and Dzin is gonna be waiting on him, not pressing at all. Only shot martinez has is if he can just walk through it, but I gotta say that jab has some nice pop to it. Also Dzin's chin is a unknown commodity to me at this point havent seen it tested.
only seen dzindrizuk on a few occasions, remember i saw his fight with daniel santos
your standard orthadox eastern european type of fighter. Very good defence and hard to counter.
i see martinez just edging a 12round decision through work rate alone
This is a good call. I see Martinez making a statement by knocking him out cold, but winning a UD in a somewhat boring tactical fight could also happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammer
PSL - When you made your post did you realize that Alfredo Angulo ducked Sergio Martinez? Alfredo Angulo Shuns $750,000 Offer to Fight Sergio Martinez
And that Cotto opted to fight Mayarga at 154 rather than Martinez at 154?
Any why no response to my post?
Dzinziruk will not get knocked out but survive to see the judges.
Martinez by a very disputed decision. Dzinziruk's jab is going to disrupt Martinez' rhythm and keep him off balance all night. He won't TKO Martinez, which is why he won't win, but this will be a much closer fight than most people think.
I find that very possible, but here's the thing - that only proves how tough the competition Martinez has been in with as of late. Dzinziruk beats almost any other fighter in and around that weight class.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I don't disagree with that at all. Martinez has had a very strong resume over the last couple of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI find that very possible, but here's the thing - that only proves how tough the competition Martinez has been in with as of late. Dzinziruk beats almost any other fighter in and around that weight class.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Angulo? Lol! Same Angulo who got schooled by Cintron? C'mon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Martinez' power is being overrate right now. Everybody's riding his cock all of a sudden with the Williams KO. Sure, it was a great punch. But Williams has B-level defence. Martinez finally landed it. He knew he could throw Hayemakers he wouldn't normally throw and not pay for it.
Marinez and Dzinziruk have about the same punching power imo.
thats what i think as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by CFH
wont be one of your classic encounters, a very entertaining boxing contest that will get going occasionally but ultimately will end with both fighters being hoisted in the air claiming to of won a decision
I don't disagree with Dzinziruk being a tough opponent - I disagree with your criticisms of Martinez. However, Dzinziruk being tough is more the reason to give Martinez credit for taking the fight. I'll go farther than you - Dzinziruk is the best fighter at 154. There I said it. He's better than Cotto, Williams, Angulo, and Cintron. So, again, credit to Martinez for taking this fight. Plus, it has the potential to look bad on tv because Dzinziruk slows things down with that potent jab. So, not only is there potential for Martinez to lose because Dzinziruk is that good, but even if he wins, he may look bad doing it. So, once more, credit again to Martinez.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Angulo? Lol! Same Angulo who got schooled by Cintron? C'mon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Martinez' power is being overrate right now. Everybody's riding his cock all of a sudden with the Williams KO. Sure, it was a great punch. But Williams has B-level defence. Martinez finally landed it. He knew he could throw Hayemakers he wouldn't normally throw and not pay for it.
Marinez and Dzinziruk have about the same punching power imo.
Don't forget, Williams was a top ten p4p fighter when he fought Martinez. It's easy to say he had bad defense but he annhilated Winky Wright, beat Verno Phillips, and beat Antonio Margarito when Antonio Margarito was looking very, very tough.
Oh and speaking of being overrated. How about Dimitry Pirog? His KO of Danny Jacobs was phenomenal, but what else has he ever done? What did he do with his new found fame? He's languishing in obscurity in Russia fighting nobody's.
Lemiuex is taking on Rubio - that is what you do as a prospect working your way up.
Same. This has upset written all over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
I haven't seen many Dzinziruk fights...only one comes to my mind where did get hit by some big punches and that was against Joel Julio,who is a decent puncher...thats the same guy who lost to Kirkland and Angulo by ko...Dzinziruk handled those hits well enough,if its the same with Martinez next saturday I think Dzinziruk will/should win by points,but it will be close...Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Dzinzurik has a jab that can knock people down and out. He put Santos on his ass with a jab, and Santos has a decent chin. Especially if they are off balance like Sergio often is when he comes lunging in. That jab has to keep him honest or Martinez will take advantage in close.
I'm not buying this "it's gonna be a good fight" stuff. Martinez is too fast for his size, hits too hard, and moves really well. He's only fighting this guy cause there really wasn't anyone else. Martinez with a suprisingly to some easy win.
I can't see Dzinziruk outboxing Martinez with that Reach disadvantage. 68". I have to think that stat is wrong, because his shoulders don't look that wide. He's listed as 6'. Margarito is 5'11" has a 73" reach and looks like he has wider shoulders. Pacquiao is what 5'6" and has a 68" Reach. Martinez has a 76" Reach.
Yeah i was surprised when I saw the 68'' inch reach. That is very poor by anyones standards, especially a boxer.
But nether the less, you wouldn't know it, the way he boxes.
Its going to take more than a good jab to beat Martinez.
Sergio is too fast, skilled, and unorthodox for Dzinziruk. Martinez should win by at least 116-112.